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Re: CEOPS
by whodunit 02.07.15 16:43
@Verdi--- "I can't be convinced that it was the result of some contrived destiny."
I can't speak for others but I am by no means arguing that the McC's went to Portugal with the intent of harming their daughter or allowing her to be harmed.
But harmed she was. The dogs said so.
There are a myriad of indicators that she was harmed prior to May 3.
You have to wonder why the Prime Minister was called that very night, the major media published reports practically before the police were called, and hundreds of media boots were on the ground before anyone could actually say for certain that the child hadn't wandered off. What was so special about these people that the world spotlight was focused on them immediately as 'the grieving parents'?
It's extraordinary when you think about it. With all those glaring lights on the McCann's you have to squint to look at what was left in the shadows. In my opinion they became human shields and there wasn't a bloody thing they could do about it.
It doesn't beggar my belief to entertain the possibility that certain orgs were employed to concoct a cover story. Some, or one, may have pulled the trigger too soon.
Entire care systems purporting to focus on the nurturing and protection of children were actually just hunting grounds for depraved lunatics.
Sometimes a thing is actually the monster it claims to fight.
As always, follow the money.
I can't speak for others but I am by no means arguing that the McC's went to Portugal with the intent of harming their daughter or allowing her to be harmed.
But harmed she was. The dogs said so.
There are a myriad of indicators that she was harmed prior to May 3.
You have to wonder why the Prime Minister was called that very night, the major media published reports practically before the police were called, and hundreds of media boots were on the ground before anyone could actually say for certain that the child hadn't wandered off. What was so special about these people that the world spotlight was focused on them immediately as 'the grieving parents'?
It's extraordinary when you think about it. With all those glaring lights on the McCann's you have to squint to look at what was left in the shadows. In my opinion they became human shields and there wasn't a bloody thing they could do about it.
It doesn't beggar my belief to entertain the possibility that certain orgs were employed to concoct a cover story. Some, or one, may have pulled the trigger too soon.
Entire care systems purporting to focus on the nurturing and protection of children were actually just hunting grounds for depraved lunatics.
Sometimes a thing is actually the monster it claims to fight.
As always, follow the money.
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Re: CEOPS
by Guest 02.07.15 23:39
Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Guest 999 wrote:I suspect that CEOP asking for photos was not to prove Madeleine's presence at certain times/dates (thats the job of the PJ/Met), but more to identify people in the background of those pictures to establish who they are, if they are known to them and how regularly they appear on the photos to map out their behaviors/movements.
This would fit in line with the thinking that there was a known paedo in the area at the time (already known to CEOP hence their involvement/input), watching the apartments and is the main focus of both the Grange Operation for the removal of Madeleine from the apartment (deceased) and CEOPs on-going investigations into paedo rings/activity.
There were people in PdL in May 2007 known to CEOP all right, doubt CEOP would need photos to identify these people.
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Re: CEOPS
by Guest 02.07.15 23:53
@ Guess 999
"There are pedophiles operating in many places around the globe, including the UK and a lot of them are already known to the authorities. However, you can not expect the authorities to warn everyone of each peado wherever they are, it would be a monumental task! If the paedo is not actively committing a crime, then they are free to live their lives in among the general public, as are any convicted/known criminals."
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Indeed this is true - but you would think that eight well educated professional adults would be sufficiently aware of such dangers to think twice about leaving their children unattended whilst they went off on the hit and miss, wouldn't you? Two of which even claimed to have left their apartment unlocked with three very young children within !!!
I think you can expect parents attend to the safety of their own children, would you agree?
"There are pedophiles operating in many places around the globe, including the UK and a lot of them are already known to the authorities. However, you can not expect the authorities to warn everyone of each peado wherever they are, it would be a monumental task! If the paedo is not actively committing a crime, then they are free to live their lives in among the general public, as are any convicted/known criminals."
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Indeed this is true - but you would think that eight well educated professional adults would be sufficiently aware of such dangers to think twice about leaving their children unattended whilst they went off on the hit and miss, wouldn't you? Two of which even claimed to have left their apartment unlocked with three very young children within !!!
I think you can expect parents attend to the safety of their own children, would you agree?
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Re: CEOPS
by tigger 03.07.15 10:02
I don't think CEOPS was looking for known or unknown paedo's in those 1800 photographs they got on their special website.
Here is his blog:
This is full of interest:
Why does Gerry fudge the date? the Sagres visit was on the 9th.
On the 10th they flew to Morocco.
Why is he specifically asking Irish people to come forward?
Why does he mention 'their need to grieve' after Morocco ( this is clearly part of a plan, see below)?
This is repeated to the press when they return from Morocco. In view of the strange photographs which Miss Beetle posted of the two in Morocco, the call for photographs from holidaymakers and the time-frame of two weeks before the 3rd of May the whole thing smells of sea bass left out in the sun. Come to think of it , sea bass is on the menu in the following blog entry the 8th of June: . Sean, in particular has acquired a taste for sea-bass!
Here is his blog:
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| DATE GERRY USED Day 37 - 11/06/2007 Kate and I had a slightly busier day on the media front than expected. We did a short press interview for the Irish Sunday papers, mainly to thank the Irish for their fantastic level of support. We followed that with one for the British Sundays which is likely to be the last one we do for a while. We talked about our pain of not having having Madeleine for such a long time and for our need to grieve, which occurs mainly in private. We also talked about how after Morocco we will have to spend some time reflecting both emotionally, and also how best the campaign can be taken forward. What we want to ensure is that the campaign has a psoitive effect on finding Madeleine. After this we headed down to Sagres which is the very most southwestern tip of Portugal. There is a very nice beach and we had lunch with the family. After returning from the beach we did the Irish version of Crimewatch-‘Crimecall’. There are a lot of Irish tourists in and around Praia da Luz and although the awareness of Madeleine’s disappearance in Ireland is extremely high, we want to ensure that everyone is aware of the appeal and we want the Irish public to come forward with photographs of people who they do not know who were in and around Praia da Luz in the 2 weeks leading up to the 3rd May. The address to upload photographs is: to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] . We have also asked for people to contact their local police if they have seen a man matching the description of the suspect carrying a child seen around the time of Madeleine’s abduction. He is 30-40 years, 1.70-1.80m (5’7”-11”), caucasian and was wearing a dark jacket, beige or mustard coloured trousers with dark shoes. No major news on the investigation front- we still believe it is just a single phone call away. | |||||||
Why does Gerry fudge the date? the Sagres visit was on the 9th.
On the 10th they flew to Morocco.
Why is he specifically asking Irish people to come forward?
Why does he mention 'their need to grieve' after Morocco ( this is clearly part of a plan, see below)?
This is repeated to the press when they return from Morocco. In view of the strange photographs which Miss Beetle posted of the two in Morocco, the call for photographs from holidaymakers and the time-frame of two weeks before the 3rd of May the whole thing smells of sea bass left out in the sun. Come to think of it , sea bass is on the menu in the following blog entry the 8th of June: . Sean, in particular has acquired a taste for sea-bass!
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Re: CEOPS
by tigger 03.07.15 10:27
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Re: CEOPS
by jeanmonroe 03.07.15 10:35
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The Car Hired 5 Weeks After Madeleine’s Disappearance
By admin, on December 10th, 2008
John McCann, the uncle of missing girl Madeleine speaks to the media in Glasgow after her mother Kate was made a formal suspect by police in Portugal.
When the DNA evidence was first brought to light, John McCann appeared on Sky Television in an interview.
Interestingly, and never challenged at the time, John went into elaborate detail about the car hired by brother Gerry and said;
“…but some of the, some of the stuff that’s being speculated on just isn’t plausible. Like information appearing about samples in a car which Gerry and Kate only got 5 weeks after Madeleine disappeared. Are you trying to tell me that Madeleine was hidden for 5 weeks and then was suddenly reappeared in this hire car. It…does not make sense.”
Did John make an amazing Freudian Slip?
Why did John mention “5 weeks” when he was talking in September 2007 – months after Madeleine had disappeared?
The facts are that the car had been hired on May 27 – 24 days after Madeleine was reported missing. 24 days is a significantly shorter time than 5 weeks.
So, what could be significant about something happening 5 weeks after Madeleine’s demise?
5 weeks after Madeleine disappeared was the weekend commencing Friday June 8, 2007. When we look closely at that weekend, there are several interesting things to note:
The McCann family flew in to the Algarve or were already there for that weekend. Susan and Brian Healy – Kate’s parents – were there. Trish and Sandy Cameron – Gerry’s sister and his brother in-law were there. Philomena flew in to Lisbon and Kate’s long time friend Anne-Marie Wright and her husband Michael had flown in to Faro.
Michael told the police that he and his wife flew in with the specific job of looking after Sean and Amelie while Kate and Gerry went to Morocco on Sunday June 10. Given the large number of close family relatives in town, Michael’s statement to the police is flawed.
On Saturday June 9, 2007, the entire family is supposed to have spent a day at the southwestern tip of Portugal – a town called Sagres.
On the Sunday afternoon, Kate, Gerry and Clarence Mitchell all went up to Lisbon to catch a small private plane laid on especially for them to go to Casablanca in Morocco. Their ultimate destination was Rabat, where a press conference with Sky’s Martin Brunt was held.
North Africa in June is a very hot place to be. Why then was Martin Brunt wearing a white suit, children were wearing t-shirts, but they chose to wear the worst attire possible – black suits more befitting a funeral?
Was Madeleine disposed of during the weekend of June 8?
Did John McCann inadvertently let it slip that this was the weekend when Madeleine was finally laid to rest or disposed of?
The Car Hired 5 Weeks After Madeleine’s Disappearance
By admin, on December 10th, 2008
John McCann, the uncle of missing girl Madeleine speaks to the media in Glasgow after her mother Kate was made a formal suspect by police in Portugal.
When the DNA evidence was first brought to light, John McCann appeared on Sky Television in an interview.
Interestingly, and never challenged at the time, John went into elaborate detail about the car hired by brother Gerry and said;
“…but some of the, some of the stuff that’s being speculated on just isn’t plausible. Like information appearing about samples in a car which Gerry and Kate only got 5 weeks after Madeleine disappeared. Are you trying to tell me that Madeleine was hidden for 5 weeks and then was suddenly reappeared in this hire car. It…does not make sense.”
Did John make an amazing Freudian Slip?
Why did John mention “5 weeks” when he was talking in September 2007 – months after Madeleine had disappeared?
The facts are that the car had been hired on May 27 – 24 days after Madeleine was reported missing. 24 days is a significantly shorter time than 5 weeks.
So, what could be significant about something happening 5 weeks after Madeleine’s demise?
5 weeks after Madeleine disappeared was the weekend commencing Friday June 8, 2007. When we look closely at that weekend, there are several interesting things to note:
The McCann family flew in to the Algarve or were already there for that weekend. Susan and Brian Healy – Kate’s parents – were there. Trish and Sandy Cameron – Gerry’s sister and his brother in-law were there. Philomena flew in to Lisbon and Kate’s long time friend Anne-Marie Wright and her husband Michael had flown in to Faro.
Michael told the police that he and his wife flew in with the specific job of looking after Sean and Amelie while Kate and Gerry went to Morocco on Sunday June 10. Given the large number of close family relatives in town, Michael’s statement to the police is flawed.
On Saturday June 9, 2007, the entire family is supposed to have spent a day at the southwestern tip of Portugal – a town called Sagres.
On the Sunday afternoon, Kate, Gerry and Clarence Mitchell all went up to Lisbon to catch a small private plane laid on especially for them to go to Casablanca in Morocco. Their ultimate destination was Rabat, where a press conference with Sky’s Martin Brunt was held.
North Africa in June is a very hot place to be. Why then was Martin Brunt wearing a white suit, children were wearing t-shirts, but they chose to wear the worst attire possible – black suits more befitting a funeral?
Was Madeleine disposed of during the weekend of June 8?
Did John McCann inadvertently let it slip that this was the weekend when Madeleine was finally laid to rest or disposed of?
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Re: CEOPS
by PeterMac 03.07.15 10:51
Verdi wrote:Indeed this is true - but you would think that eight well educated professional adults would be sufficiently aware of such dangers to think twice about leaving their children unattended whilst they went off on the hit and miss, wouldn't you? Two of which even claimed to have left their apartment unlocked with three very young children within !!!
It is worse even than you state.
There were NINE parents present, who left EIGHT children, all under the age of four, most under the age of three, some younger still . . .
alone in cold, unlit, and in one admitted case unlocked apartments, when some of them, again allegedly were suffering from acute medical conditions . . .
for FIVE nights in succession
Is this credible ?
Would a grandmother permit this ?
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CEOP
by willowthewisp 03.07.15 10:51
Hi Jeanmonroe,
Thank you for your most recent post.
If it is true and I Do not doubt the possibility of CM and a Private plane use,if my memory is right didn't Philip Green offer the McCann family a Lear jet, if your "Theory" is proven to be correct, this certainly means the S**t will hit the proverbial fan!?
Perhaps the pink one would care to undertake a Lie detector test of his involvement in Madeleine McCann disappearance?
From what I have read on the PJ files,Pat Brown, Didn't Gerry, Kate and family attend a christening in the UK in June 2007, where "Michael Wright" flew to Portugal to accompany Kate and children back to the UK for that event!
I think Gerry and Kate were made God parents to the family's children, was this event around the same time or am I mistaken?
Thank you for your most recent post.
If it is true and I Do not doubt the possibility of CM and a Private plane use,if my memory is right didn't Philip Green offer the McCann family a Lear jet, if your "Theory" is proven to be correct, this certainly means the S**t will hit the proverbial fan!?
Perhaps the pink one would care to undertake a Lie detector test of his involvement in Madeleine McCann disappearance?
From what I have read on the PJ files,Pat Brown, Didn't Gerry, Kate and family attend a christening in the UK in June 2007, where "Michael Wright" flew to Portugal to accompany Kate and children back to the UK for that event!
I think Gerry and Kate were made God parents to the family's children, was this event around the same time or am I mistaken?
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Re: CEOPS
by jeanmonroe 03.07.15 10:59
willowthewisp wrote:Hi Jeanmonroe,
Thank you for your most recent post.
If it is true and I Do not doubt the possibility of CM and a Private plane use,if my memory is right didn't Philip Green offer the McCann family a Lear jet, if your "Theory" is proven to be correct, this certainly means the S**t will hit the proverbial fan!?
Perhaps the pink one would care to undertake a Lie detector test of his involvement in Madeleine McCann disappearance?
My 'theory'?
MY 'theory' is the same as the SIO of the PJ, GA.
Having said that, i 'do' also have a 'back up' theory.
A HUGE, HUGE, 'scam'!
Madeleine 'secreted away' in a luxury 'lair' in the UK, waiting for the big 'reveal'. (totally 'unharmed' and 'miraculously FOUND' YEARS 'later'. The McCann's constant 'mantra')
Which coincides, rather 'neatly', with the total LACK of ACTUAL 'searching', for Madeleine, by McCann/Healy family members, for a 'missing' family member, and their 'friends'.
And when EVERYONE (including CM) has finally made 'enough' money, from her 'disappearance'.
Her 'parents' are NOW millionaires. (not having 'a pot to pee in' BEFORE the 'disappearance' according to 'family')
Would they be millionaires, if Madeleine had NOT 'disappeared'?
WHY SY/MET are, imo, going along with, being totally 'mugged off' by a couple of 'chancers' is anybody's 'guess'.
Ah, i 'know'
Met commissioner, BHH! (McCann 'supporter' McCann 'fund' raiser)
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Re: CEOPS
by jeanmonroe 03.07.15 11:41
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DO these 'two' McCann 'family members' (GM's sister and brother) LOOK, to you, to be 'totally distressed, distraught, worried sick' about a 'missing' family 'member', THEIR 'darling, wee, niece', Madeleine?
P Mc 05/03/2007
J Mc 09/03/2007
2 and 6 DAYS, respectively, 'after' Madeleine's 'disappearance'
They BOTH 'know', imo, EXACTLY 'where' Madeleine 'is'!
DO these 'two' McCann 'family members' (GM's sister and brother) LOOK, to you, to be 'totally distressed, distraught, worried sick' about a 'missing' family 'member', THEIR 'darling, wee, niece', Madeleine?
P Mc 05/03/2007
J Mc 09/03/2007
2 and 6 DAYS, respectively, 'after' Madeleine's 'disappearance'
They BOTH 'know', imo, EXACTLY 'where' Madeleine 'is'!
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Re: CEOPS
by Liz Eagles 03.07.15 11:54
Why were CEOP employees (Jo Sullivan and Graham Hill) invited out to PDL by the FCO almost immediately?
Why has Jim Gamble, foregone the professional detachment one would expect from a senior UK police officer to openly support the McCanns, the Summers & Swan book etc.
Why has Graham Hill taken to LipTV with support for the McCanns?
Why has Dr Sharon Leal supported the McCanns in a documentary?
Why has Missing People made Kate McCann their maidenhead/launcher of all things about missing children/people?
If paedophilia isn't at the heart of all of this then I don't know what is.
Just my opinion.
Why has Jim Gamble, foregone the professional detachment one would expect from a senior UK police officer to openly support the McCanns, the Summers & Swan book etc.
Why has Graham Hill taken to LipTV with support for the McCanns?
Why has Dr Sharon Leal supported the McCanns in a documentary?
Why has Missing People made Kate McCann their maidenhead/launcher of all things about missing children/people?
If paedophilia isn't at the heart of all of this then I don't know what is.
Just my opinion.
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Re: CEOPS
by Libel labelled bull 03.07.15 12:04
Thats why its time to stop worrying about stupid libel issues and all say exactly what you think is going on. Time to fight hard. Forums have been challenging the nonces in Parliament for years without any comeback. So why the worry about this case ?
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Re: CEOPS
by Liz Eagles 03.07.15 12:21
Tony Bennett said what he thought and was devastatingly threatened by a major libel law firm. He couldn't afford to do anything other than accept their terms. He went on to have his say and found himself before the court for contempt of court. He was also trapped by a journalist into sending a copy of his booklet. This journalist said in the court (I was there) 'I lied My Lord'. There was an audible gasp in the court.Libel labelled bull wrote:Thats why its time to stop worrying about stupid libel issues and all say exactly what you think is going on. Time to fight hard. Forums have been challenging the nonces in Parliament for years without any comeback. So why the worry about this case ?
Stupid libel issues? what are you talking about? Tony Bennett is paying £125 per month to a court for the next several years. Are you prepared to take your chances and do that? Are you prepared to say what you think and risk your livelihood? I hazard a guess you're not.
Tony is much maligned by many people. He had more courage than most and is paying the price. He's vilified by the likes of Hutton and Poulton.
I find freedom fighters annoying. Hutton is a freedom fighter without substance. Poulton is a freedom fighter who sits on Murdoch sofas. Both of these women speak of freedom of speech and yet neither of them actually step out of line.
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Re: CEOPS
by jeanmonroe 03.07.15 12:28
Libel labelled bull wrote:Thats why its time to stop worrying about stupid libel issues and all say exactly what you think is going on. Time to fight hard. Forums have been challenging the nonces in Parliament for years without any comeback. So why the worry about this case ?
I, for one, am 'NOT WORRIED', in the least, about 'stupid LIBEL issues'!
I have ASKED the McCann's to SUE me!
I have asked SKY News and Brunt to 'interview/doorstep' me!
I WILL stand up in any 'court room', to explain, MY 'libellous/slanderous' explanation, on Madeleine's 'disappearance'
'Libel/Slander' or NOT!
I wrote to GB, in 2007, about this 'case' (all 'saved' e-mail to thirty 'disks'/ss/ 'everything'. He will NEVER be able to 'say' ......'nobody told me, i didn't know that, i didn't get an e-mail') I've GOT a right proper 'paper trail' and it goes, all the way, to 10, Downing Street!
Libel?,,,,, Schmibel!
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Re: CEOPS
by Joss 03.07.15 12:52
I have thought about that type of scenario too, but then i think what was it exactly the dogs detected in 5A, and if the evidence was right about it being Madeleine's DNA and the cadaver evidence, then MBM is no longer in this life,jeanmonroe wrote:willowthewisp wrote:Hi Jeanmonroe,
Thank you for your most recent post.
If it is true and I Do not doubt the possibility of CM and a Private plane use,if my memory is right didn't Philip Green offer the McCann family a Lear jet, if your "Theory" is proven to be correct, this certainly means the S**t will hit the proverbial fan!?
Perhaps the pink one would care to undertake a Lie detector test of his involvement in Madeleine McCann disappearance?
My 'theory'?
MY 'theory' is the same as the SIO of the PJ, GA.
Having said that, i 'do' also have a 'back up' theory.
A HUGE, HUGE, 'scam'!
Madeleine 'secreted away' in a luxury 'lair' in the UK, waiting for the big 'reveal'. (totally 'unharmed' and 'miraculously FOUND' YEARS 'later'. The McCann's constant 'mantra')
Which coincides, rather 'neatly', with the total LACK of ACTUAL 'searching', for Madeleine, by McCann/Healy family members, for a 'missing' family member, and their 'friends'.
And when EVERYONE (including CM) has finally made 'enough' money, from her 'disappearance'.
Her 'parents' are NOW millionaires. (not having 'a pot to pee in' BEFORE the 'disappearance' according to 'family')
Would they be millionaires, if Madeleine had NOT 'disappeared'?
WHY SY/MET are, imo, going along with, being totally 'mugged off' by a couple of 'chancers' is anybody's 'guess'.
Ah, i 'know'
Met commissioner, BHH! (McCann 'supporter' McCann 'fund' raiser)
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Re: CEOPS
by Joss 03.07.15 13:02
I also think it is wrong that parents of a missing child should make an exhorbitant amount of money out of it, and donated money should go straight to searches etc. that are conducted for missing children that are a legit organization. Otherwise it could start a trend that is not a good one, as we have seen from the profiteering in the McCann case, where its all about the money.
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Re: CEOPS
by Nina 03.07.15 13:03
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Re: CEOPS
by jeanmonroe 03.07.15 13:12
Joss wrote:I also think it is wrong that parents of a missing child should make an exhorbitant amount of money out of it, and donated money should go straight to searches etc. that are conducted for missing children that are a legit organization. Otherwise it could start a trend that is not a good one, as we have seen from the profiteering in the McCann case, where its all about the money.
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WHO 'actually' asked/made KM an 'embarrassador' at Missing People 'charidy'?
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Re: CEOPS
by Joss 03.07.15 13:22
I agree, all of that too makes it all very suspect about the mother wanting to find her child, and IMO that's because she already knew what happened to said child. Casey Anthony also made around $250,000 USD if i remember correctly, by selling photos of Caylee to the media before they put her in prison. Love the "Embarrasador" title, it suits her,jeanmonroe wrote:Joss wrote:I also think it is wrong that parents of a missing child should make an exhorbitant amount of money out of it, and donated money should go straight to searches etc. that are conducted for missing children that are a legit organization. Otherwise it could start a trend that is not a good one, as we have seen from the profiteering in the McCann case, where its all about the money.
ITHINKKNOW it is WRONG for a parent of a 'missing' child to 'obstruct/not co-operate with' the police in their 'investigation' into HER child's 'disappearance' and the parent to do everything she 'could' to get the 'investigation' CLOSED/ABANDONED/SHELVED, to be 'made', and 'feted', as an 'Embarrassador' for 'MISSING PEOPLE/KIDS'!
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Re: CEOPS
by tigger 05.07.15 12:10
tigger wrote:The special website can be found still : result from the Wayback machine
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Saved 41 times between [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Bit iffy to quote my own post, but having no internet at home and very busy, had hoped that one of the technically savvy people would have checked the wayback on this particular website.
Is it possible to find out how many photographs were uploaded (I think there were 1800) and when they were whooshed? Or are there still photographs on it?
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by lj 05.07.15 19:20
Nina wrote:Wish there was a like button but there isn't so sending a high five and a rose each to aquila and jeanmonroe for brilliant posts.
I wish so too!
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Re: CEOPS
by NickE 06.07.15 18:27
Donegal,Donegal,just a few weeks before Pdl.....It is a short distance between Belfast and Donegal, isn´t it?
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She said she had never touched that window and the cleaning lady assured that she had cleaned it on the previous day....it doesn't add up"
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by willowthewisp 07.07.15 11:00
After reading several posts on CEOP I wonder if Big Jim and Leicestershire Police investigated:
Yvonne Martin recognising a certain person from some where she had seen him before, been in contact with Social Services in some way in UK, whilst she was talking to Kate McCann 4 May 2007?
Did LP force make contact with CEOP over their statements that were taken by the Police force?
Did anyone follow up on the Gaspar [sp.] statements to ascertain the credibility of the statements, as I cannot believe them to be false otherwise than to not mention them for some particular reason?
Why was a certain person allowed to say in their statement that it was not the right place or pertinent to offer a further detail in relation to missing girl Madeleine McCann, as he is supposed to have been one of three people to have seen the child alive and well in apartment 5a Ocean Club 3 May 2007?
Yvonne Martin recognising a certain person from some where she had seen him before, been in contact with Social Services in some way in UK, whilst she was talking to Kate McCann 4 May 2007?
Did LP force make contact with CEOP over their statements that were taken by the Police force?
Did anyone follow up on the Gaspar [sp.] statements to ascertain the credibility of the statements, as I cannot believe them to be false otherwise than to not mention them for some particular reason?
Why was a certain person allowed to say in their statement that it was not the right place or pertinent to offer a further detail in relation to missing girl Madeleine McCann, as he is supposed to have been one of three people to have seen the child alive and well in apartment 5a Ocean Club 3 May 2007?
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Re: CEOPS
by Tony Bennett 07.07.15 11:22
willowthewisp wrote:After reading several posts on CEOP I wonder if Big Jim and Leicestershire Police investigated:
Yvonne Martin recognising a certain person from some where she had seen him before, been in contact with Social Services in some way in UK, whilst she was talking to Kate McCann 4 May 2007?
REPLY: Yvonne Martin was not exactly 100% sure about having recognised David Payne. There are some queries about how she managed to have such direct contact with the McCanns on the early morning of Friday 4 May. I'm not sure how much weight we can place on Yvonne Martin's statements
Did LP force make contact with CEOP over their statements that were taken by the Police force?
REPLY: On 8 May 2007, under government orders, a tightly-knit 'committee' was set up, under the chairmanship of Matt Baggott, then Chief Constable of Leicestershire Police, to discuss all matters relating to Madeleine's disappearance. Relevant government departments were all represented on this 'committee', including, obviously, CEOP and the Foreign Office and probably the Home Office as well. This has been admitted on the record in a nswer to a FOI Act request, BUT no-one will say who was on that committee. From Day One, all these police forces and government departments etc. were 'all in this together'
Did anyone follow up on the Gaspar [sp.] statements to ascertain the credibility of the statements, as I cannot believe them to be false otherwise than to not mention them for some particular reason?
REPLY: No. They were not sent to Portugal until 19 October 2007, just after Dr Goncalo Amaral was safely 'out of harm's way' in a lowly desk job in Faro Police Station. He had been transferred there on 2 October 2007. The PJ took no interest in their two statements. I agree, the Gaspars' statements have the 'ring of truth' about them
Why was a certain person [Dr David Payne] allowed to say in their statement that it was not the right place or pertinent to offer a further detail in relation to missing girl Madeleine McCann, as he is supposed to have been one of three people to have seen the child alive and well in apartment 5a Ocean Club 3 May 2007?
REPLY: David Payne gave this answer in response to specific questions that a British police officer was putting to him on behalf of the PJ (the 'rogatory' interviews). The British officer (from LP) had limited scope to ask supplementary questions. A robust police officer, not restricted by 'the committee' as to what questions he could ask, would surely have said at this point in the interview:
"Dr Payne, do you mean to say you have information about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that you are deliberately withholding from the police?"
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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"
Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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Re: CEOPS
by jeanmonroe 07.07.15 11:59
Why was a certain person allowed to say in their statement that it was not the right place or pertinent to offer a further detail in relation to missing girl Madeleine McCann, as he is supposed to have been one of three people to have seen the child alive and well in apartment 5a Ocean Club 3 May 2007?
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When THAT 'person' said, on record, that 'I saw Madeleine, for the very last time, at 17h00 (FIVE o'clock (pm, 3rd May 2007) but then 'changed' (on record) the 'very last time (he 'saw' her) to 18h30 (six thirty pm, 3rd May 2007) IN McCann apartment)
Of course, 'forgetting', he was 'at the beach/then cafe' (till AFTER 18h00) at 17h00, (on record) with Madeleine IN McCann apartment, (or at 'high tea'?) 800 metres away!
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"Once you have started with one lie you have to make up 1,000 lies to cover that one"."Once I had started there was no turning back"
Convicted criminal, Tariq Jahan.
"Pride of Britain" 'award' WINNER! (in 'recognition' of his.......DIGNITY!!!!!!!) 'feted' and 'lauded' by PM, D Cameron AND, then, Labour Party leader, E Miliband.(as a true 'hero!!)
Miliband saying 'he is the type of person we want in Britain, someone for people to look up to, a true HERO'
So, WHEN will a 'self admitted' LIAR, in this f**ked up country, of ours, EVER be 'deemed' NOT to be 'a true hero'? (BY the, self protecting, 'establishment')
"Ask K&G, Sandra."
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A 'tad' more on Cameron's and Miliband's 'true hero' TJ.
CONVICTED of GBH (grevious bodily harm)
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It emerged during the trial that Jahan had a conviction for false accounting and forgery in 1985 and a conviction for conspiracy to rob in 1990.
He also received a caution for possession of cannabis in 2003 and a caution in 2004 for assault occasioning actual bodily harm in which he attacked his step mother.
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ABH (actual bodily harm) on a WOMAN, Fraud, Forgery, Drugs, Lying to police, Conspiracy to 'rob'!
Cameron's and Miliband's 'TRUE HERO'!
One has to 'wonder' what one would have to 'do' for DC and EM to say, 'our hero has only been a little bit naughty, so we're not going to 'praise' him again until,..........TOMORROW'
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When THAT 'person' said, on record, that 'I saw Madeleine, for the very last time, at 17h00 (FIVE o'clock (pm, 3rd May 2007) but then 'changed' (on record) the 'very last time (he 'saw' her) to 18h30 (six thirty pm, 3rd May 2007) IN McCann apartment)
Of course, 'forgetting', he was 'at the beach/then cafe' (till AFTER 18h00) at 17h00, (on record) with Madeleine IN McCann apartment, (or at 'high tea'?) 800 metres away!
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"Once you have started with one lie you have to make up 1,000 lies to cover that one"."Once I had started there was no turning back"
Convicted criminal, Tariq Jahan.
"Pride of Britain" 'award' WINNER! (in 'recognition' of his.......DIGNITY!!!!!!!) 'feted' and 'lauded' by PM, D Cameron AND, then, Labour Party leader, E Miliband.(as a true 'hero!!)
Miliband saying 'he is the type of person we want in Britain, someone for people to look up to, a true HERO'
So, WHEN will a 'self admitted' LIAR, in this f**ked up country, of ours, EVER be 'deemed' NOT to be 'a true hero'? (BY the, self protecting, 'establishment')
"Ask K&G, Sandra."
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A 'tad' more on Cameron's and Miliband's 'true hero' TJ.
CONVICTED of GBH (grevious bodily harm)
and
It emerged during the trial that Jahan had a conviction for false accounting and forgery in 1985 and a conviction for conspiracy to rob in 1990.
He also received a caution for possession of cannabis in 2003 and a caution in 2004 for assault occasioning actual bodily harm in which he attacked his step mother.
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ABH (actual bodily harm) on a WOMAN, Fraud, Forgery, Drugs, Lying to police, Conspiracy to 'rob'!
Cameron's and Miliband's 'TRUE HERO'!
One has to 'wonder' what one would have to 'do' for DC and EM to say, 'our hero has only been a little bit naughty, so we're not going to 'praise' him again until,..........TOMORROW'
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by willowthewisp 07.07.15 12:18
Hi Tony, thank you for the reply to my post.
At least it was shown in the PJ files that a certain Doctor for what ever reason chose not to provide evidence that might have given the "Leicestershire Police" a chance to find Madeleine Mc Cann seven years ago!
Doe's it remind you of Kate's only answer out of 48, "by not answering the questions you do realise you, that you are jeopardizing the investigation" Yes, "if that's what you think"?
Did at this stage of the investigation, Kate already knew of her daughter's demise and it was save your own *rse time?
At least it was shown in the PJ files that a certain Doctor for what ever reason chose not to provide evidence that might have given the "Leicestershire Police" a chance to find Madeleine Mc Cann seven years ago!
Doe's it remind you of Kate's only answer out of 48, "by not answering the questions you do realise you, that you are jeopardizing the investigation" Yes, "if that's what you think"?
Did at this stage of the investigation, Kate already knew of her daughter's demise and it was save your own *rse time?
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by Guest 07.07.15 13:14
How many times have you heard the McCann sycophants excuse that she was acting under the instructions of her lawyer? Well I don't give a monkey's who was or wasn't advising her, as far as I'm concerned any well balanced loving parent would care more about finding their missing child than self preservation. IF she knows nothing about her child's fate she has nothing to worry about has she? Maybe a little personal inconvenience/discomfort experienced by awkward questions and suspicion but that pales into insignificance compared to what you child might be going through.willowthewisp wrote:Hi Tony, thank you for the reply to my post.
At least it was shown in the PJ files that a certain Doctor for what ever reason chose not to provide evidence that might have given the "Leicestershire Police" a chance to find Madeleine Mc Cann seven years ago!
Doe's it remind you of Kate's only answer out of 48, "by not answering the questions you do realise you, that you are jeopardizing the investigation" Yes, "if that's what you think"?
Did at this stage of the investigation, Kate already knew of her daughter's demise and it was save your own *rse time?
If totally innocent what the hell was the woman thinking?
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