Re: Summers & Swan Ch 25 + 26

by aiyoyo 12.05.15 22:15

Isabelle McFadden @QUEENdePORTUGAL
[ltr]I brought down Summers&grandbaby with 1 single amazon review. CIA called they want me to bring down #isis #mccann[/ltr]
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She escaped Martin Brunt doorstepping because she is based in Uncle Sam soil, but didn't escape S&S poison pen.

by Jauna Loca 13.05.15 19:08

whatsupdoc wrote:Chapter 25 mentions the poor reviews of Summers & Swan book...

Looking for Madeleine

Chapter 25.

To many of the online 'antis', it has seemed not to matter that Gerry and Kate McCann are the distressed parents of a missing child, a couple not known to have committed any wrongdoing. Their friends and acquaintances, including those who accompanied them on the ill-fated holiday in 2007, Gerry's sister Philomena- CEOP's former chief Jim Gamble- have also suffered abuse. Publication of this book made the author's targets too.

Interesting wording, don't you think? What Hobs calls leaking? Not, you notice, "a couple known not to have committed any wrongdoing".

by lj 13.05.15 19:37

Jauna Loca wrote:
whatsupdoc wrote:Chapter 25 mentions the poor reviews of Summers & Swan book...

Looking for Madeleine

Chapter 25.

To many of the online 'antis', it has seemed not to matter that Gerry and Kate McCann are the distressed parents of a missing child, a couple not known to have committed any wrongdoing. Their friends and acquaintances, including those who accompanied them on the ill-fated holiday in 2007, Gerry's sister Philomena- CEOP's former chief Jim Gamble- have also suffered abuse. Publication of this book made the author's targets too.

Interesting wording, don't you think? What Hobs calls leaking? Not, you notice, "a couple known not to have committed any wrongdoing".

Good catch. I think they want to sound smart and legally savvy, while in fact they give the plot away.

by aiyoyo 13.05.15 20:10

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Does anyone else feel that this second addition of the book indicates that OG isn't a whitewash for the M's?

Of course a whitewash for the government can't be ruled out, but TM surely wouldn't bother with this desperate attempt of manipulating/frightening the public if OG were in their back pocket?

No one knows.
Not even McCanns it seems, going by S&S info in chapter 26, undoubtedly sourced from McCanns via 2nd or 3rd hand intermediary.

On one hand we are told the current DCI in charge is an "experienced veteran on homicide cases".
On the other hand we are also told she was left a legacy of intruders by DCI Redwood to follow up.
Redwood who during his watch was chasing an array of intruders, hoping for a breakthrough, that maybe will "match a telltale fingerprint or DNA laying forgotten in the exhibit store in Algarve."
How that is going to progress the abduction investigation is the $64M question, since no forensic trace of an intruder was found in 5a.

Also, we are told OG supplies HO with its case progress reports every quarterly. What of, again, is a $64 question?
Imagine, Home Officer getting regular reports from an experienced veteran homicide case DCI and the content is all about historic intruders her team can't narrow down? How does OG hope to justify and reconcile that? There is just such a disconnect of expertise to the type of investigation.
Moreover, we're given to believe that HO is happy to bank roll this operation (money is no objection) indefinitely despite getting regular reports on nothing crucial or potential prospect, except rubbish about intruders.

You'd think an acclaimed writer would realise he had been told a whole load of bollox by his source that simply does not add up -- but apparently not -- he was happy to put his name on such shite. Naive or gullible? And he wonders why people believe he's a pro-mccann propagandist !

by jeanmonroe 13.05.15 23:48

Book sales...missbeetle:
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Has anyone actually seen a paperback copy of this book? (by S&S)
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YEP!.............ME!

My OH put a copy in our 'loo'! He said, 'just in case, we run out of 'bog roll'

by **PeterMac** 14.05.15 7:11

Jauna Loca wrote:Chapter 25 mentions the poor reviews of Summers & Swan book...
Looking for Madeleine
Chapter 25.
To many of the online 'antis', it has seemed not to matter that Gerry and Kate McCann are the distressed parents of a missing child, a couple not known to have committed any wrongdoing. Their friends and acquaintances, including those who accompanied them on the ill-fated holiday in 2007, Gerry's sister Philomena- CEOP's former chief Jim Gamble- have also suffered abuse. Publication of this book made the author's targets too.

Im the strange world inhabited by those who unconditionally support the McCanns, Leonor Cipriano, and the rest
"wrongdoing" obviously does not include serial abandonment of three children all under the age of four, for five nights in sucession, in a cold, dark and unlocked apartment out of eyesight and earshot, for considerable periods. (At least an hour, since the visits of half an hour on the Thursday were an increase in their security arrangements )

Well I am sorry, Winters and Goose, but that counts as SERIOUS WRONGDOING in my book, as I believe it does for any parent or grandparent anywhere in the civilised world.

Wrongdoing also includes deliberate lying to Police officers, and collecting money from OldAge Pensioners and children by false pretences. But that is another story.

by Lands_end 14.05.15 7:55

In one significant are, moreover, there has been a development. While the Mer has earlier said it was studying eighteen incidents in which an intruder had broken into properties housing British families between 2002 and 2010- well after Madeleine's disappearance- the figure had now risen. Police were now analysing as many as twenty-eight over a period starting as early as 2002. 'The offences are not all the same,' a source said. 'Some involve not children but teenagers or young women......but there are similarities. We're seeing a consistent theme.

In an extract from whatsupdoc above; this is tantamount to saying:

Police now see that there is a consistent similarity in all cases of DWI / DUI reported at roadside screening tests indication. They are now almost certain that this common theme is ...............................................................................
ALCOHOL

by Guest 14.05.15 8:05

Lands_end wrote:In one significant are, moreover, there has been a development. While the Mer has earlier said it was studying eighteen incidents in which an intruder had broken into properties housing British families between 2002 and 2010- well after Madeleine's disappearance- the figure had now risen. Police were now analysing as many as twenty-eight over a period starting as early as 2002. 'The offences are not all the same,' a source said. 'Some involve not children but teenagers or young women......but there are similarities. We're seeing a consistent theme.

In an extract from whatsupdoc above; this is tantamount to saying:

Police now see that there is a consistent similarity in all cases of DWI / DUI reported at roadside screening tests indication. They are now almost certain that this common theme is ...............................................................................
ALCOHOL

None of them involve a planned abduction of a 4 year old child and none of them were by someone who was left ZERO evidence of ever having been there.

It's clutching at straws.

by Lands_end 14.05.15 8:23

BlueBag wrote:
Lands_end wrote:In one significant are, moreover, there has been a development. While the Mer has earlier said it was studying eighteen incidents in which an intruder had broken into properties housing British families between 2002 and 2010- well after Madeleine's disappearance- the figure had now risen. Police were now analysing as many as twenty-eight over a period starting as early as 2002. 'The offences are not all the same,' a source said. 'Some involve not children but teenagers or young women......but there are similarities. We're seeing a consistent theme.

In an extract from whatsupdoc above; this is tantamount to saying:

Police now see that there is a consistent similarity in all cases of DWI / DUI reported at roadside screening tests indication. They are now almost certain that this common theme is ...............................................................................
ALCOHOL

None of them involve a planned abduction of a 4 year old child and none of them were by someone who was left ZERO evidence of ever having been there.

It's clutching at straws.

Absolutely. Op Grange could state that their momentum development revelation moment was:

Having established that this was an ABDUCTION because we were told to by the McCann's team of experts we have conducted extensive investigation and are now almost certain that despite there being no sign of entry, exit or a struggle the ABDUCTOR was ......................................................................................................................................................................................................
Human.

by **PeterMac** 14.05.15 8:46

It is now 8 years since Madeleine disappeared.

How many abductions were there in the 8 years BEFORE
How many abductions have there been in the 8 years SINCE.

Madeleine is (would be) now 12, and obviously of no further interest to a predaory Paed**** whose interest is in children of the age of 3.
So has he replenished his stock,
And if not, why not.

The whole burglar story is clearly Mitchell inspired "look over here"

by Lands_end 14.05.15 9:45

PeterMac wrote:It is now 8 years since Madeleine disappeared.

How many abductions were there in the 8 years BEFORE
How many abductions have there been in the 8 years SINCE.

Madeleine is (would be) now 12, and obviously of no further interest to a predaory Paed**** whose interest is in children of the age of 3.
So has he replenished his stock,
And if not, why not.

The whole burglar story is clearly Mitchell inspired "look over here"

C'mon PMac. Even you cannot deny that the "Hellish Lair" theory was unlikely to come to anything although goodness knows what research David Edgar had to do to even make it sound plausible enough for the media to report it. The simplest explaination for an abduction to go wrong was a burglary. Portuguese burglars are after all known worldwide to be very clever, masking their entry or exit even able to throw unsuspecting police of the scent by throwing a few red herrings. They also I am told carry drugs to sedate children with the key to their success undoubtedly being the painstaking observations of potential targets, sending bogus maintenance staff in to recce the area backed up with bogus collecters. They even have a contingency plan to dispose of children's bodies should they suddenly wake up and start crying. Their network is such that if one member of this evil burlring paedphile group is killed then all blame for crimes can be transferred to that person even if he is fat, smelly, drives a tractor or ( fill in the gaps this is getting boring).
Just put Gene Genie on to the case, he will find out the answer.

by Gaggzy 14.05.15 10:50

Angelique wrote:What enormous fun!

S&S have made themselves look silly again!

Someone should tell them that this can only get worse.

As Dr. What has said previously, they can't 'dis the dogs'. This is the only thing they can't get away from.

So they try and try to discredit them. In fact, when they brought in the dogs during the "digging" and only found only a sock I was tempted to think this was going to be part of the dissing. But they haven't gone that far yet. But I am expecting it.

As for Chapter 25, this IMO is trying to create a defence for what happened to Brenda Leyland. It's all wallpaper!

..... they should have quit when they were behind. big grin

by **PeterMac** 14.05.15 10:54

Interestingly, so far as I am aware the Hellish Lair was the last definitive explanation that Edgar and Mitchell gave.
They have never resiled from that position, but neither have they explained why they have never really bothered to look for it.

So we must assume
1 The McCanns and their apologists and supporters actually Believe that Madeleine is being held in this Hellish Lair, in the Lawless Hinterland within 10 miles of PdL (if I have the quote correct)
AND
2 That they cannot be bothered to look for her.

In the alternative
1 They were deliberately lying
or
2 They are incredibly stupid.

Or possibly both

by Gaggzy 14.05.15 11:23

Enid O'Dowd wrote:Surely a publisher brings out a new/updated edition of a book when

(1) the first print run is sold out or almost sold out

and

(2) the publisher anticipates reasonable sales of the new edition, enough to cover printing and marketing costs as an absolute minimum.

Since the first edition flopped and there must have been heavy marketing costs, why would a publisher produce an updated edition at this point in time to add to losses?

This makes me suspect that this new edition has been paid for by a supporter or from the Fund. I can’t see that any publisher wanting to stay in business would throw good money after bad.

I agree with this 100%. nod

by aiyoyo 14.05.15 11:37

Lands_end wrote:In one significant are, moreover, there has been a development. While the Mer has earlier said it was studying eighteen incidents in which an intruder had broken into properties housing British families between 2002 and 2010- well after Madeleine's disappearance- the figure had now risen. Police were now analysing as many as twenty-eight over a period starting as early as 2002. 'The offences are not all the same,' a source said. 'Some involve not children but teenagers or young women......but there are similarities. We're seeing a consistent theme.

In an extract from whatsupdoc above; this is tantamount to saying:

Police now see that there is a consistent similarity in all cases of DWI / DUI reported at roadside screening tests indication. They are now almost certain that this common theme is ...............................................................................
ALCOHOL

28 intruder cases going back to 2002 (till 2015?) isn't an awful lot by any statistics standard. Average 2 a year, furthermore of varying pattern, not following paedophile pattern is nothing at all.

No normal parents of a missing child would be buoyed by this line of enquiry, but the Mcs reportedly are.

If S&S were in K&G's shoes one wonders would they be happy if updated regularly by police they are following that line of enquiry that looks nothing remotely as if the Police is ever going to solve the case? Yet we are told repeatedly that Kate & Gerry are buoyed by the developments and are grateful for the continuity and for the conscientious works of the Police.

No genuine abducted child parents would be full of praise for Police for this kind of work....that leads nowhere, and seems to have no potential in getting to the abductor...

by Lands_end 14.05.15 12:17

aiyoyo wrote:
Lands_end wrote:In one significant are, moreover, there has been a development. While the Mer has earlier said it was studying eighteen incidents in which an intruder had broken into properties housing British families between 2002 and 2010- well after Madeleine's disappearance- the figure had now risen. Police were now analysing as many as twenty-eight over a period starting as early as 2002. 'The offences are not all the same,' a source said. 'Some involve not children but teenagers or young women......but there are similarities. We're seeing a consistent theme.

In an extract from whatsupdoc above; this is tantamount to saying:

Police now see that there is a consistent similarity in all cases of DWI / DUI reported at roadside screening tests indication. They are now almost certain that this common theme is ...............................................................................
ALCOHOL

28 intruder cases going back to 2002 (till 2015?) isn't an awful lot by any statistics standard. Average 2 a year, furthermore of varying pattern, not following paedophile pattern is nothing at all.

No normal parents of a missing child would be buoyed by this line of enquiry, but the Mcs reportedly are.

If S&S were in K&G's shoes one wonders would they be happy if updated regularly by police they are following that line of enquiry that looks nothing remotely as if the Police is ever going to solve the case? Yet we are told repeatedly that Kate & Gerry are buoyed by the developments and are grateful for the continuity and for the conscientious works of the Police.

No genuine abducted child parents would be full of praise for Police for this kind of work....that leads nowhere, and seems to have no potential in getting to the abductor...

No Normal Parents of a Missing Child?

This begs the question you must ask your hearts of hearts. Do you consider the parents in this case to be "normal"?

by **PeterMac** 14.05.15 14:01

[quote="aiyoyo"]

Lands_end wrote:In one significant are, moreover, there has been a development. While the Mer has earlier said it was studying eighteen incidents in which an intruder had broken into properties housing British families between 2002 and 2010- well after Madeleine's disappearance- the figure had now risen. Police were now analysing as many as twenty-eight over a period starting as early as 2002. 'The offences are not all the same,' a source said. 'Some involve not children but teenagers or young women......but there are similarities. We're seeing a consistent theme.
.

Have I understood this correctly.

We are being asked to believe that there have been 28 Stranger Abductions, not of children, but of teenagers and Young women . . .
I think someone should be told. Perhaps the local police as a start
Did their parents not notice ?

This is pure Mitchell, Summers, Swan fantasy.
Or in plain English a LIE

by TheTruthWillOut 14.05.15 14:46

aiyoyo wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:Does anyone else feel that this second addition of the book indicates that OG isn't a whitewash for the M's?

Of course a whitewash for the government can't be ruled out, but TM surely wouldn't bother with this desperate attempt of manipulating/frightening the public if OG were in their back pocket?

No one knows.
Not even McCanns it seems, going by S&S info in chapter 26, undoubtedly sourced from McCanns via 2nd or 3rd hand intermediary.

On one hand we are told the current DCI in charge is an "experienced veteran on homicide cases".
On the other hand we are also told she was left a legacy of intruders by DCI Redwood to follow up.
Redwood who during his watch was chasing an array of intruders, hoping for a breakthrough, that maybe will "match a telltale fingerprint or DNA laying forgotten in the exhibit store in Algarve."
How that is going to progress the abduction investigation is the $64M question, since no forensic trace of an intruder was found in 5a.

Also, we are told OG supplies HO with its case progress reports every quarterly. What of, again, is a $64 question?
Imagine, Home Officer getting regular reports from an experienced veteran homicide case DCI and the content is all about historic intruders her team can't narrow down? How does OG hope to justify and reconcile that? There is just such a disconnect of expertise to the type of investigation.
Moreover, we're given to believe that HO is happy to bank roll this operation (money is no objection) indefinitely despite getting regular reports on nothing crucial or potential prospect, except rubbish about intruders.

You'd think an acclaimed writer would realise he had been told a whole load of bollox by his source that simply does not add up -- but apparently not -- he was happy to put his name on such shite. Naive or gullible? And he wonders why people believe he's a pro-mccann propagandist !

Seems to me that S&S and TM have taken OG's/PJ's double check of whether an intruder was in 5a and blown it out of all proportion and twisted its meaning.

OG has always been lead by homicide detectives hasn't it? Why not a team specialising in abduction (if that is what they believe). Is it because only homicide detectives can conduct a whitewash?

by **PeterMac** 14.05.15 16:11

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
OG has always been lead by homicide detectives hasn't it? Why not a team specialising in abduction (if that is what they believe). Is it because only homicide detectives can conduct a whitewash?

A team specialising in Abduction - if there is such a thing - would have stopped the enquiry within about twenty minutes when they realised there was no evidence of any abduction, anywhere, and handed the job over to a team specialising in Fraud, and Child Abandonment, and Concealment of death,

by aiyoyo 14.05.15 16:38

Why send a team specialising in homicide though?
The logical deduction must be they are looking at a "murder" ... kate mentioned, in her freudian slip, when she said "the Portuguese Police don't want a murder on their hands etc" (not verbatim).

by jeanmonroe 14.05.15 16:54

"A team specialising in Abduction" - if there is such a thing..
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"Ask the 'team' (T9)" Sandra!

KM, in Brussels, "If anyone is expert, about 'abduction', we are"

by Casey5 14.05.15 17:07

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_Investigation_Team

Murder/Major Investigation Teams (MIT) are the specialised homicide squads of the Metropolitan Police in London, England. Forming part of the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, itself part of the Specialist Crime Directorate, there 24 MITs within the Met. MITs investigate cases of murder, manslaughter, attempted murder where the evidence of intent is unambiguous, or where a risk assessment identifies substantive risk to life.^[1] They also undertake investigations into missing persons or abductions where there is a reason to suspect life has been taken or is under threat and other investigations identified for specialist needs.^[1]
MITs were established in 2000 to replace the former Area Major Incident Pools (AMIPs) as part of Scotland Yard's Serious Crime Group. In 2001, there were 31 murder investigation teams operating in London, made up of 834 police officers, 182 civilian staff, and 14 senior detectives.
Currently, all homicide investigation in London is undertaken by the Specialist Crime and Operations Directorate's Homicide Command, which is split geographically into six units (West, Central, East, Northwest and South), each led by a Detective Superintendent. Each of the Command Units has 4 Major Investigation Teams (MITs), consisting of 50 staff, led by a Detective Chief Inspector (DCI), who performs the role of senior investigating officer (SIO).

by TheTruthWillOut 14.05.15 18:47

Thanks for that Casey5. Considering how long SY/PJ have now been working this case, I suspect the former reason is what they think. Probably due to a couple of fury animals that bark.(or not!)

by aiyoyo 14.05.15 19:34

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Thanks for that Casey5. Considering how long SY/PJ have now been working this case, I suspect the former reason is what they think. Probably due to a couple of fury animals that bark.(or not!)

The dogs have spoken.
Police still rely heavily on using dogs to help their work on missing person searches.
They must know she is dead.

by willowthewisp 15.05.15 11:28

Casey5
in reply to your post,SDCI Hamish Campbell( Daniel Morgan killing)(Jill Dando, killing) combined costs of investigations£35 million on trials,convictions 1 later unproven Barry George innocent victim,but received no compensation? so still no convictions!?
Operation Grange, SDCI Hamish Campbell, DCI Andy Redwood, now DCI Nichola Wall, costs of over £10 million, no proven suspects of "Stranger Abduction" yet, Crime Watch at least two occasions?
Media moguls,Clarence Mitchell,Lori Campbell Soham Murder's and Operation Grange,Jill Dando case,first named Arquido won £600,000 damages against various MSM,UK, recognised by JT,RO,FP 3 May 2007 in vicinity of apartment 5a?
Hacking of phones,entrapment,black mail of Portugal PJ officers, MSM possible owned by an Austrailian?
Alleged Dossier,Martin Brunt,(well her identity is not a secret any more,Sweepy face,RIP Brenda Leyland, hounded by) Jonathon Levy, public interest, SKY handed to Bernard Hogan Howe, raised funds for the find Madeleine McCann fund,responsible for the future of Operation Grange?
conflict of interest?

by XTC 16.05.15 23:55

aiyoyo wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:Thanks for that Casey5. Considering how long SY/PJ have now been working this case, I suspect the former reason is what they think. Probably due to a couple of fury animals that bark.(or not!)

The dogs have spoken.
Police still rely heavily on using dogs to help their work on missing person searches.
They must know she is dead.

Quite.

The question for S&S is: What exactly was the speciality of the British dogs in the latest dig?

They can't have been live scent dogs- surely?

They were described as " better " dogs than Eddie and Keela.

Better at what?

by TheTruthWillOut 17.05.15 0:24

XTC wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:Thanks for that Casey5. Considering how long SY/PJ have now been working this case, I suspect the former reason is what they think. Probably due to a couple of fury animals that bark.(or not!)

The dogs have spoken.
Police still rely heavily on using dogs to help their work on missing person searches.
They must know she is dead.

Quite.

The question for S&S is: What exactly was the speciality of the British dogs in the latest dig?

They can't have been live scent dogs- surely?

They were described as " better " dogs than Eddie and Keela.

Better at what?

Well, according to Scotland Yard the PDL dig/searches last year....

Guardian wrote:Scotland Yard said the meticulous searches were based on the hypothesis that Madeleine was murdered and buried locally

I guess they were cadaver dogs.

Edit: A bit more digging and two of the dogs were Tito and Muzzy. 7 year old Springer Spaniels also used in the April Jones searches.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/meet-badger-spud-muzzy-tito-8460918

by Guest 17.05.15 8:47

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
I guess they were cadaver dogs.

Edit: A bit more digging and two of the dogs were Tito and Muzzy. 7 year old Springer Spaniels also used in the April Jones searches.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/meet-badger-spud-muzzy-tito-8460918

I wonder if they did the bleedin obvious and sent them into 5A.

I doubt it.

by Angelique 17.05.15 9:02

BlueBag wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:
I guess they were cadaver dogs.

Edit: A bit more digging and two of the dogs were Tito and Muzzy. 7 year old Springer Spaniels also used in the April Jones searches.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/meet-badger-spud-muzzy-tito-8460918

I wonder if they did the bleedin obvious and sent them into 5A.

I doubt it.

I suppose it all depends on whether this digging was just a "show" for the MSM and general public - this is where the money is being spent etc. Or it was to back up the Met's remit of abduction. Or the "biggy" if you believe Gerry when he said "what we don't know is where she took her".

by Liz Eagles 17.05.15 9:08

@Blue Bag

Slightly off topic here so apologies in advance. You mention whether the dogs were sent into 5A. No-one knows and neither do Summers & Swan. It would be remiss of the UK Police not to though.

I often wonder what has happened to apartment 5A over the last 8 years. Has it changed ownership? If so, who owns it?

If it was sold, how much was it sold for? (bagging a bargain leaves funds to refurb)

Has it undergone any major refurbishment such as new floors, new kitchen, new windows, new shutters, new appliances, new furniture etc? At the very least it will have been painted in the last 8 years I should think. Has the garden been renovated in anyway? (new topsoil, new plants etc)

Just my thoughts.