Becky Watts: Another girl gone missing

comperedna wrote:For many families, particularly those who have little money, a big 'send off' for someone who has died in tragic circumstances... glass hearses, horses and all, and very large floral tributes with what others feel are OTT, is part of the culture and the grieving process. They would feel bad if they didn't do it... disrepectful, so to speak. Just saying...

Yes, thinking about it comperedna you are right- it does seem to be that way.

Another FOUR charged - with 'Assisting an Offender':

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Here are three of them:

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Tony Bennett wrote:Another FOUR charged - with 'Assisting an Offender':

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Here are three of them:

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It beggars belief anyone could KNOWINGLY help someone move a body that had been dismembered, in my mind they are as guilty as the person who killed her in the first place, they should have reported it to the police. They have now ruined their own lives, daughters and parents......what hold has this Nathan got on them, that they would do something like this, makes me wonder if there wasnt some sort of gang involved, drugs or something....it makes no sense to me, why anyone would help. That poor girl, thrown away like the garbage, I hope they all rot in hell.

I suspect in this case alcohol and drugs play a major role. Both cloud your judgement. They will have quite something to mull about when the hangover slowly subsides.

BTW I have always been convinced that at least alcohol played a major role in the McCann case. Many questions like "how could they" become clear when you consider that each and everyone of them was well over the legal limit.

lj wrote:I suspect in this case alcohol and drugs play a major role. Both cloud your judgement. They will have quite something to mull about when the hangover slowly subsides.

BTW I have always been convinced that at least alcohol played a major role in the McCann case. Many questions like "how could they" become clear when you consider that each and everyone of them was well over the legal limit.

I agree. It's a great British pastime these days to get absolutely hammered on drugs and booze at the weekend and there are all kinds of nasty legal highs with mind warping effects to choose from too. Most normal people in a normal state would be absolutely repulsed at the thought of covering up things in the way they did.

      In the McCann case too I suspect alcohol and possibly drugs. Doctors have good access to drugs and possibly a false sense of security, believing their intellect and training means they can control all the outcomes.

6 people charged in total, quite a large group cover up, not unlike the other case - a pact to remain silent.

I might have missed it, but I have not read the motive stated in the papers.  

Often times Police and Prosecutor have to work out the "motive" to support circumstantial evidence especially if forensic evidence is in short supply.  
But in said case where the body if discovered and recovered, and assuming forensic evidence is in abundance, I wonder if Prosecutor needs to include "motive" in their case argument?

Laptop and phone recovered...

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Constablekid wrote:Laptop and phone recovered...

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Today's story - and yesterday's.

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Becky Watts' grandmother: 'I was convinced she had run away and was waiting for her call'
by The Bristol Post | Posted: March 09, 2015

                   

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The grandmother of Becky Watts has thanked the people of Bristol for their compassion during her family's ordeal. The 16-year-old's body was discovered in Barton Hill following a massive police operation to find the schoolgirl, who had been missing for 11 days.

Her gran, Pat Watts, made an emotion plea when Becky first disappeared and believed the teenager had just run away.

But the 67-year-old from Henbury, along with Becky's mum Tanya and her brother Daniel, 20, were left heartbroken when parts of her body were found last week.

Speaking to the Bristol Post, Pat said: "I would like to thank all the people of Bristol and the country for the compassion they have shown us throughout this ordeal.

"I like everyone was convinced she had just run away and was just waiting for her call.

"The last week has been terrible for us, but we have been shown great support.

"People have done so much and I want to thank them."

"For the first time yesterday I had a wonderful sense of peace. I am a spiritual person and I feel Becky is around," she added.

Pat in particular thanked her neighbours and Viking Vets in Henbury who had helped care for the family's pets, made meals and provided other practical support.

She said police had also been a great help to the family in such a difficult time.

Becky Watts: Police confirm all her missing belongings have been found

Posted: March 10, 2015


Police have confirmed they have found all the missing belongings of Becky Watts.

The 16-year-old was last seen at her Crown Hill home in St George on Thursday, February 19 and 11 days later her body parts were discovered at an address in Barton Hill.

During the extensive police search for Becky, officers were keen to trace her laptop, phone and a computer tablet, which were reported as missing at the same time as her.

A spokesman for Avon and Somerset police confirmed all her property has now been recovered


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No mention was made where her belongings were recovered from.  PC and phone usually yield up plenty of clues.

We have yet to hear of the motive.  I'm curious to know the motive.

aiyoyo wrote:No mention was made where her belongings were recovered from.  PC and phone usually yield up plenty of clues.

We have yet to hear of the motive.  I'm curious to know the motive.

Aiyoyo, all will be made clear when the case is brought before the Court and a jury.

Until a verdict is reached it's sub judice.

I have faith in this prosecution.

aiyoyo wrote:No mention was made where her belongings were recovered from.  PC and phone usually yield up plenty of clues.

We have yet to hear of the motive.  I'm curious to know the motive.

We have to be patient and wait for the court case.

Ladyinred wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:No mention was made where her belongings were recovered from.  PC and phone usually yield up plenty of clues.

We have yet to hear of the motive.  I'm curious to know the motive.

We have to be patient and wait for the court case.

Yes we do and they are also not saying where they found her things or what is on the phone or computers either which is good, IMO.

Very sad case though, the people who should love and protect her turns out to be her killer, it also reminds me of Tia Sharp and her dysfunctional family.

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Ladyinred wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:No mention was made where her belongings were recovered from.  PC and phone usually yield up plenty of clues.

We have yet to hear of the motive.  I'm curious to know the motive.

We have to be patient and wait for the court case.

Yes we do and they are also not saying where they found her things or what is on the phone or computers either which is good, IMO.

Very sad case though, the people who should love and protect her turns out to be her killer, it also reminds me of Tia Sharp and her dysfunctional family.

She least expected to be in danger with family members.  Always the case of an innocent girl too trusting because very ignorant of the evils in people.

Wonder how he lures her there, was his fiance and friends gathered there as well?  Did she go believing she was socially with her stepbro his g/friend and people her age?
Was it a squabble gone wrong, and was she sexually assaulted?
What blows my mind is why a group of friends including his fiance helped him cover up the crime and hoped to get away with it. Unless they were complicit in it in more than as accessories to the crime, as they were participants as accomplices in perpetrating the crime against her. 

The details of his fiance and friends complicity in it have yet to be revealed.

Did they find themselves at the scene by accident, as in a case of found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time, or did they show up later to help the murderder dispose of the body or were they told about it but decided to remain silent, not to give him in?

The Police in this case are handling it very well and giving very little away.

I think the next hearing is scheduled for this Thursday?

Constablekid wrote:I think the next hearing is scheduled for this Thursday?

Good. perhaps we will know more then......What hearing is this for, does anybody know ? I thought everyone had been charged and it all was waiting for a date for the trial !!!

Or am I wrong !!!

Becky Watts: six people appear in Bristol court hearing
 
Becky’s, stepbrother, Nathan Matthews, is accused of murdering Becky, whose body parts were discovered 11 days after she vanished from her home
 
Steven Morris
 
The Guardian - Thursday 26 March 2015 12.05 GMT
 
Around 40 relatives and friends of the Bristol teenager Becky Watts packed a courtroom for a hearing involving six people charged in connection with her murder and the concealment of her remains.

Becky’s stepbrother, Nathan Matthews, is accused of murdering Becky, whose body parts were discovered 11 days after she vanished from her home.

His girlfriend, Shauna Hoare, 21, is charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice while three men and one woman are accused of helping Matthews dispose of and conceal the 16-year-old’s body parts.

Matthews and Hoare both appeared at Bristol crown court for an administrative hearing via videolink from Long Lartin prison in Worcestershire and Eastwood Park in Gloucestershire respectively.

Places for 16 close members of Becky’s family, most wearing badges with the girl’s face on them, were reserved in a public gallery within the body of the court. Others watched from a second gallery above the court. Some cried, others held hands.

Among family members was Becky’s grandfather, John Galsworthy. Her boyfriend, Luke Oberhansli, also attended.

It is understood that there are continuing investigations.

Prosecuting, William Mousley QC indicated that the crown intended to draw up a joint indictment involving all six defendants and said a trial could last up to seven weeks.

The recorder of Bristol, Neil Ford QC, set a provisional trial date for 5 October and said the case would be heard by a high court judge.
Twin brothers Karl and Donovan Demetrius, 29, Jaydene Parsons, 23, and James Ireland, also 23, are charged with jointly assisting an offender. They are accused of assisting in the disposal and concealment of the body parts, intending to “impede the apprehension or prosecution” of Matthews.

Only Ireland appeared in person in court. Parsons also appeared via videolink from Eastwood Park, sitting next to Hoare. The Demetrius brothers were to appear later.

None of the lawyers representing the six made an application for bail.

Becky vanished from her home in Crown Hill, St George, Bristol, on 19 February. Police launched a huge search after she was reported missing the following afternoon, including a social media campaign. Body parts were found at an address in Barton Court, Bristol, around two miles away.

 
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Thanks for that info Doug D,I did notice its 6 people charged now and I'm wondering WHAT went so terribly wrong for this to happen to this young girl and worse still is her step brother accused of her murder ?

All these young people involved who's lives have changed forever and the families that are left broken ?

I feel I have learnt a lesson from this case.

As soon as Becky vanished I was convinced her father was involved in her murder. Convinced. Took to the internet like Miss Marple, looking at YouTube videos where he described her in past tense despite no evidence she had died.

Hell, I even found his sobbing on a video a bit Mick Philpot-esque, bit hammed up for the cameras.

Well I was wrong and I was a troll.

Has made me look at the McCann case again. Personally I think the PJ forensic team and the first officers on the scene failed MBM.

As it stands there is not really any evidence she was abducted, but there is also not really any evidence her parents killed her.

In fact there is not very much evidence of anything due to policing cock-ups.

I have gone from being convinced it was the parents, to now believing that in the absence of any definite evidence it is wrong to point the finger at anyone, especially parents who could be totally innocent.

Sorry if that makes me unpopular on this forum. Yes the McCanns are really annoying self-important arrogant people, but there is no evidence that they are anything more sinister than that.

Benion, do you still believe MBM is dead and buried in some remote scrubland in Spain?

I definitely believe she is dead and the second part....I really do not know.

I always trusted my judgement before the Becky case. Now I have been proven wrong and personally feel like a total cow over my comments regarding Becky's dad. I am ashamed of myself to be honest because I got it badly wrong.

Benion - we all do it - it`s part of our survival mechanism. Discrimination is necessary and often based on thoroughly reliable gut feelings.  Anyway we don`t know if the father was completely ignorant of the goings on do we, or what he knew and still knows.

Trust your instincts I say, but don`t broadcast it or start accusing.

What do your gut instincts tell you about David Cameron?  Say no more.

You see that is what I suspect. I think he probably had some clue that Becky was mixing with the wrong crew and may have suspected her dead when there was no body discovered. That does not make him guilty of any crime though.

Benion wrote:I definitely believe she is dead and the second part....I really do not know.

I always trusted my judgement before the Becky case. Now I have been proven wrong and personally feel like a total cow over my comments regarding Becky's dad. I am ashamed of myself to be honest because I got it badly wrong.

Don't be so harsh on yourself.  As you say, you've learnt something. 

There may not be evidence that the Mcs killed their daughter (I don't believe anyone here has made that claim) but IMO they are implicated in her disappearance.

Benion wrote:I feel I have learnt a lesson from this case.

As soon as Becky vanished I was convinced her father was involved in her murder. Convinced. Took to the internet like Miss Marple, looking at YouTube videos where he described her in past tense despite no evidence she had died.

Hell, I even found his sobbing on a video a bit Mick Philpot-esque, bit hammed up for the cameras.

Well I was wrong and I was a troll.

Has made me look at the McCann case again. Personally I think the PJ forensic team and the first officers on the scene failed MBM.

As it stands there is not really any evidence she was abducted, but there is also not really any evidence her parents killed her.

In fact there is not very much evidence of anything due to policing cock-ups.

I have gone from being convinced it was the parents, to now believing that in the absence of any definite evidence it is wrong to point the finger at anyone, especially parents who could be totally innocent.

Sorry if that makes me unpopular on this forum. Yes the McCanns are really annoying self-important arrogant people, but there is no evidence that they are anything more sinister than that.

I trust my gut and in this case my gut was on the fence, weirdly. Now I know a bit more about who was charged with murder, it makes more sense to me now. I won't post my thinking right now with the upcoming court case, though.

Re: McCanns, I don't think many believe in the killing theory. As far as the PJ cocking things up? Well they did an enormous amount of work in a very short period of time and felt confident enough to publish the files. 

Not only will we never see OG's files, what have they achieved in 4 years the PJ didn't in <6 months?

The police did well, but there were several glaring errors:
1. The first police on the scene were not specialist detectives, merely local officers. The hotel room should have been declared a crime scene immediately, not let holidaymakers and the tapas group traipse in and out destroying evidence.
2. One forensic officer stuck their briefcase on a window ledge.
3. The McCanns were not interviewed the night of the appearance and were only interviewed the following day. The initial PJ interview was done as a couple. They should have been interviewed separately. The first interview is the one most likely to shed the truth on what happened as it would have contemporaneous evidence, before any suspects got together to get their stories straight.
4. Some PJ forensic evidence was sent to a British forensic lab and mysteriously disappeared.

I think it`s safe to say, as per John Stalker, "Kate and Gerry McCann are hiding a big secret"

Becky Watts: Girlfriend of Bristol teenager's step-brother now jointly charged with her murder

Matthews is also now jointly charged with perverting the course of justice with his girlfriend, who was also originally charged in March.
The couple also face more charges that do not relate to Becky's death.
Both are accused of four counts of making indecent images of children.
In other matters that don't relate to Becky, Matthews has been charged with sexual assault and voyeurism.
Further Investigations: Police say the new charges have been brought due to continued investigations into the killing
These new charges will be added to the indictment at the next court appearance, which is a plea and case management hearing at Bristol Crown Court on August 4


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"Further investigations" - When I am feeling wildly optimistic, I think that Operation Grange are doing just that with their 38 officers with a huge investigation which goes way beyond what happened to Madeleine. Having said that, optimism has been my downfall before.

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Nathan Matthews, 28, is already charged with the murder of the 16-year-old and now stands accused of perverting the course of justice, conspiracy to commit false imprisonment and preventing her lawful burial.
His girlfriend Shauna Hoare, 21, has also been charged with the murder of Becky, jointly with Matthews, as well as perverting the course of justice, conspiracy to commit false imprisonment and preventing her lawful burial.
Avon and Somerset Police have also charged the pair with possession of a prohibited weapon and four counts of making indecent images of children.
Matthews has also been charged with sexual assault and voyeurism. The alleged sexual offences do not relate to Becky.
The teenager's body was discovered 11 days after she was reported missing from her home in St George, Bristol, in February this year.
Police launched a huge search - including a social media campaign using the hashtag FindBecky - on February 20 when the student was reported missing.
Becky's body parts were found by police at a house in Barton Hill, Bristol, on March 2.
The fresh charges come after specialist forensic examinations to help establish the full circumstances surrounding Becky's death.
Hoare, of Cotton Mill Lane, Bristol, is still accused of intending to pervert the course of justice by lying to police.
There are no changes to the charges against Karl Demetrius, 29, Donovan Demetrius, 29, Jaydene Parsons, 23, and James Ireland, 23, who are all accused of helping dispose of and conceal Becky's body parts.

Reported missing
Family members
Sexual perversions
Indecent images
Disposing of body
Concealing body
Lying to Police

Quite a list.
A list we will probably never see in any other case . . . Oh, hang on !

[quote="Benion"]The police did well, but there were several glaring errors:
1. The first police on the scene were not specialist detectives, merely local officers. The hotel room should have been declared a crime scene immediately, not let holidaymakers and the tapas group traipse in and out destroying evidence.
2. One forensic officer stuck their briefcase on a window ledge.
3. The McCanns were not interviewed the night of the appearance and were only interviewed the following day. The initial PJ interview was done as a couple. They should have been interviewed separately. The first interview is the one most likely to shed the truth on what happened as it would have contemporaneous evidence, before any suspects got together to get their stories straight.
4. Some PJ forensic evidence was sent to a British forensic lab and mysteriously disappeared.[/quote]


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