Re: Madeleine as a little pumpkin

by **sharonl** 02.11.14 17:55

Does anyone remember a cousin of roughly Madeleines' age in Canada? Just my opinion but I always wondered whether the Canadian school choir child was the cousin.

by MissesWillYa 02.11.14 18:09

Another crime-related site I read often has people using Ancestry.com to find relatives of missing people. I don't have a membership myself and I don't know whether it would even be helpful, but it probably wouldn't be difficult to confirm whether there really are relatives in Canada, and probably to learn their approximate ages too.

by Guest 02.11.14 18:16

Marian wrote:The only known first cousins are Trish Cameron's much older son and John McCann's son and daughter, something like 4 and 7 years older than Madeleine.

Sharon, I've never heard of any young relatives in Canada.

The only one I do know of is Aunt Nora, Kate's father's sister. Possibly she has young grandchildren?

by Guest 02.11.14 18:55

Ladyinred wrote:
melisande wrote:Madeleine's smile in the pumpkin photo is so similar to the photo of Kate smiling in the Amsterdam photo. Looks very much like her mother imo

Do you think it could be a photo of K?

In this day of photoshop anything is possible but the resemblance to her mother is very striking between these two photos imo

Eta I don't see what the reasoning would be to photoshop the pumpkin photo.

by Miraflores 02.11.14 20:28

I think it's extremely unlikely that the pumpkin photo is anything other than Madeleine, and certainly not of Kate. Halloween has only taken off in a big way over the last few years in the UK. I doubt if they had pumpkin costumes when Kate was a child.

by TellTheTruth 02.11.14 21:01

The more I see the more puzzled I am.
Pumpkin Maddie in Feb? And the papers don' t question that? dontgetit

Is it a genuine photo or not?

Why do none of the family or friends ever question these photos? They would surely know if these released photos are genuine? There are so many discussions about the truth of the released photos. Do any of the family ever say to k and g , Hey, hang on. I don' t remember that photo? Where was that taken? That doesn' t look like Madeleine? Have they ever questioned k and g ? If they have, have they been told to shut up?

WHY do they ALL keep quiet?? Possibly easier to shut up the family but neighbours? Mums from the school gate? HOW do you do that? huh

WHY does NOBODY who knows them or lives near them EVER question them?

After all these years HOW do you shut EVERYONE up?

by **PeterMac** 02.11.14 21:21

TellTheTruth wrote:
Pumpkin Maddie in Feb? And the papers don' t question that?

Why would they ?
In the Mitchell-inspired McUniverse, they operate using the McCalendar, where any month is interchangeable with any other month.
Where any time is interchangeable with any other time (13:29 can become 14:29 - just by saying so)
Where any date can become any other date (Sunday 29th April can become Thursday 3rd May - just by saying so)

And McFacts are also interchangeable, depending which 'version of the Truth" they, (and Carter-Ruck), decide the world is to accept - Today !
Broken and smashed shutters can become unbroken and a Red Herring - just by saying so
Wide open curtains can become tightly closed curtains - just by saying so
Entry by the front door, using a key, can become entry by an unlocked patio door - just by saying so
A calm and windless night can become a howling gale - just by saying so
A freezing cold night in which extra clothing is necessary for adults can become so hot that a child sleeps "on top of the bed", uncovered - just by saying so
A freezing cold, windy, and cloudy day can become hot, sticky and sweaty - just by saying so.

Please try to understand ! !
We are not moving in a normal Euclidian Universe.
There's law, Jim, but not as we know it.

by TellTheTruth 02.11.14 21:41

I know PM. A totally different world to the one I live in. I cannot understand how these lies and untruths have gone on for SO long.

Family (must) know after 7 and a half years!! that what they were told was a bit fishy ,shall we say?

If neighbours of mine had gone on holiday and come back minus one, and the photos they were showing to the press didn't look like the child I remembered, I would make that known.

Better add IMO!

by Guest 02.11.14 22:13

Miraflores wrote:I think it's extremely unlikely that the pumpkin photo is anything other than Madeleine, and certainly not of Kate. Halloween has only taken off in a big way over the last few years in the UK. I doubt if they had pumpkin costumes when Kate was a child.

Apologies as I think my post could have been written better. What I was saying was that I could see the image of Kate in the photograph of Madeleine. I think it is a genuine photo. I don't see why it would need to be photoshopped but it seems anything can be photoshopped these days.

by Gaggzy 02.11.14 22:15

PeterMac wrote:
Atomic Peanut wrote:
However, I don't recall seeing any videos of her in PdL, which surprises me

What happened to the video camera sent to DC Martin in Hampshire ?

I mentioned this to my mate, Dave, in the ale house today.

'Ah yes, the video camera,' he said, then took a big gulp of crème de menthe. 'I reckon they were using that video camera to film all the hanky-panky and 'how's your father' that was going on between the tapas and the nannies and whoever else wuz there 'swinging like a barn door in a force 9 gale.'

I nearly choked on my Crabbie's with laughter. 'Of course,' I said, recovering my composure. 'You believe it was a big swinging holiday, don't you, Dave?'

'Oh yes, Gaggzy. All the signs are there, mate. I mean, that Jane Tanner even brought it in to her statement, trying to deny that they were all shagging each other. Why bother trying to deny it. She hadn't even been questioned about it .....'

Dave continued on the subject for at least ten minutes. He guzzled the remainder of his crème de menthe. I offered to buy him another but he refused, saying he'd had three pints of it already and it was time to go home for Sunday dinner, but he did agree to a large black Sambuca as a sort of 'night cap,' even though it was still the afternoon.

Well, DC Martin could answer the question about what was on the camera. Anyone fancy asking him? See if Dave is correct in his hypothesis.

by Wahrheit 02.11.14 23:10

TellTheTruth wrote:
Pumpkin Maddie in Feb? And the papers don' t question that?

Might it have been a carnival costume? Unlikely, I know, but the timing would tally.

by juliet 02.11.14 23:13

What carnival? The Rothley Vegetable Fiesta?

by Julchen 03.11.14 8:35

Wahrheit wrote:
TellTheTruth wrote:
Pumpkin Maddie in Feb? And the papers don' t question that?
Might it have been a carnival costume? Unlikely, I know, but the timing would tally.

Hi Wahrheit,
are you German?
They don't have our German carnival over here, i.e. 6 weeks before Easter.
Carnival in GB takes place at any time of the year, preferably in summer or autumn.

An article in the great Bild-Zeitung states "Her last Halloween", no mentioning of "3 months earlier to her disappearance":
http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/maddie-mccann/madeleine-maddie-mccann-im-kostuem-ihr-letztes-halloween-38394362.bild.html

by Noia 03.11.14 9:03

This picture has been out there for years, why write never seen before?
I have also said that picture do not look like her at all... This picture is on multiple threads on here.

Why all this lies ?

by Stillthinking 03.11.14 10:49

TellTheTruth wrote:The more I see the more puzzled I am.
Pumpkin Maddie in Feb? And the papers don' t question that?

Is it a genuine photo or not?

Why do none of the family or friends ever question these photos? They would surely know if these released photos are genuine? There are so many discussions about the truth of the released photos. Do any of the family ever say to k and g , Hey, hang on. I don' t remember that photo? Where was that taken? That doesn' t look like Madeleine? Have they ever questioned k and g ? If they have, have they been told to shut up?

WHY do they ALL keep quiet?? Possibly easier to shut up the family but neighbours? Mums from the school gate? HOW do you do that?

WHY does NOBODY who knows them or lives near them EVER question them?

After all these years HOW do you shut EVERYONE up?

The obvious logical answer would be maybe the reason friends, family, nursery school teachers don't question is because the photos are genuine?

As for the timing maybe it WAS taken at Halloween or maybe like a lot of parents of toddlers, the McCanns had a dress up box with lots of outfits in so at any time the kids could dress up whenever they wanted. There's another pic/video of Madeleine in a Snow White outfit.

by missbeetle 18.11.14 8:13

How many pumpkin costumes does a girl need...?

There is this one - reprised recently in time for Halloween :

Madeleine as a little pumpkin - Page 3 <a href=

Madeleine as a little pumpkin - Page 3 Pum1_zps8923fb5a

(snipped from leicestermercury.co.uk)

and this one (undated) which I found at gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk :

Madeleine as a little pumpkin - Page 3 <a href=

Madeleine as a little pumpkin - Page 3 Pum_zps601e3676

(snipped with thanks to Pamalam)

Perhaps I am mistaken, and the second picture is not of a pumpkinised Madeleine...

...has the poor child been dressed up as a strawberry or even as a tomato?

Maybe the same child a year earlier, same festival...?

My thoughts only.

by Brian Griffin 18.11.14 18:04

Noia wrote:Why all this lies ?

Some people have been asking that for years. That number is growing.
Why are the lies always accepted as fact when the McCanns are involved? That's a more interesting question.

In my opinion.

by MissesWillYa 19.11.14 3:53

missbeetle wrote:How many pumpkin costumes does a girl need...?

There is this one - reprised recently in time for Halloween :

(snipped from leicestermercury.co.uk)

and this one (undated) which I found at gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk :

(snipped with thanks to Pamalam)

Perhaps I am mistaken, and the second picture is not of a pumpkinised Madeleine...

...has the poor child been dressed up as a strawberry or even as a tomato?

Maybe the same child a year earlier, same festival...?

My thoughts only.

Definitely looks like a pumpkin to me.

Gerry looks like he's chewing with his mouth open. He makes that face in photos a lot; it looks similar to the one where he's sitting near a blue-clad baby Madeleine who perches perilously on stone steps, as well as the one where he appears to be dropped into the situation with bleached-blond bobbed Kate holding baby Madeleine.

IMO.

by Guest 19.11.14 5:56

There is something on tape about madeleine as little pumpkin in a report from the dutch television program ‘een vandaag’, one of the ex-pats who had contact with the mccan’s in their amsterdam stay did tell about madeleine dressed as little pumpkin on their small halloween party in oktober 2004.

Halloween is not something that has taken large ground in the netherlands, it is still trying to get a commercial thing in bars and clubs mostly.

We have just like the germans and belgiums our own dress as mad as you can, about 40 days before easter under the name of carneval, it is of mixed catholic and traditional festivities. because easter changes in dates, it is sometimes in february and sometimes in march.
It is more a thing in the southern parts of the netherlands, but more north it has a far more commercial character.

http://www.eenvandaag.nl/criminaliteit/32058/kleuter_nog_altijd_spoorloos

the pictures are to be seen too. The report is partly dutch, partly english spoken and some in expat-dutch. It is just before half way on this tape covered.

by j.rob 19.11.14 22:30

juliet wrote:Does this suggest that apart from the photos we have all seen, there are no other pictures of Madeleine in existence. Someone noticed that in a video of Kate Mc at her computer, the eight or so photos she had displayed were all ones from publicity campaigns...not a single "private" pic. Yet so many Madeleine photos are either photoshopped or weird or seem to be quite another person. Who is the real Madeleine?

Could it be that the Gasper family who went on holiday with the McCanns to Majorca in the summer of 2006 (if their police statement is reliable) might, possibly, be privy to information about not only McCann family dynamics but also what Madeleine looked like and what she was like?

by j.rob 19.11.14 23:04

NickE wrote:Wasn´t "the horse photo" taken in March-April 2007?
You can see the gap between the teeth without zooming the horse photo.
One of these is not Madeleine, that´s for sure.

One thing that struck me about the horse photo is that Kate's right hand is so tightly clenched. It is one of the few photos (maybe the only photo) that I have seen of Madeleine (if indeed it is Madeleine) with either of her parents that looks remotely 'normal' in the sense that either Kate or Gerry is watching over Madeleine taking part in something and enjoying her enjoyment.

So, at first glance it looks quite normal. But then you notice Kate's right hand incredibly tightly clenched. That would suggest Kate is experiencing some quite intense negative emotions, imo. Which is really not compatible with taking your three and 3/4 year old daughter on a sweet pony riding session.

I mean, that is just supposed to be cute - it's nothing to do with riding, but it is just a sweet activity to watch a very young child of this age doing.

That clenched hand........not consistent with a mother enjoying watching her daughter taking part in an activity, imo.

Hmmmm....maybe Kate should have taken more heed of the 'rumours' that she heard about Gerry which she writes about in her book.

I wonder who took the photo?

http://lonerwolf.com/body-language-hands/

by j.rob 19.11.14 23:18

juliet wrote:What carnival? The Rothley Vegetable Fiesta?

Thank you for making me laugh. I like it!

Maybe the Rothley Porkey Pies competition.

by ultimaThule 19.11.14 23:37

j.rob wrote:
juliet wrote:Does this suggest that apart from the photos we have all seen, there are no other pictures of Madeleine in existence. Someone noticed that in a video of Kate Mc at her computer, the eight or so photos she had displayed were all ones from publicity campaigns...not a single "private" pic. Yet so many Madeleine photos are either photoshopped or weird or seem to be quite another person. Who is the real Madeleine?

Could it be that the Gasper family who went on holiday with the McCanns to Majorca in the summer of 2006 (if their police statement is reliable) might, possibly, be privy to information about not only McCann family dynamics but also what Madeleine looked like and what she was like?

It's probable that the Gaspars have photos of Madeleine taken during their 2006 holiday and on other occasions when they met up with the McCanns, j.rob, and it's likely that the same can be said of various of the Tapas 7.

Insofar as the McCann family dymanics are concerned, the clues are there for all to see and you've made a number of deductions which, imo, are not far off the mark.

by Brian Griffin 20.11.14 6:47

j.rob wrote:
NickE wrote:Wasn´t "the horse photo" taken in March-April 2007?
You can see the gap between the teeth without zooming the horse photo.
One of these is not Madeleine, that´s for sure.

One thing that struck me about the horse photo is that Kate's right hand is so tightly clenched. It is one of the few photos (maybe the only photo) that I have seen of Madeleine (if indeed it is Madeleine) with either of her parents that looks remotely 'normal' in the sense that either Kate or Gerry is watching over Madeleine taking part in something and enjoying her enjoyment.

So, at first glance it looks quite normal. But then you notice Kate's right hand incredibly tightly clenched. That would suggest Kate is experiencing some quite intense negative emotions, imo. Which is really not compatible with taking your three and 3/4 year old daughter on a sweet pony riding session.

I mean, that is just supposed to be cute - it's nothing to do with riding, but it is just a sweet activity to watch a very young child of this age doing.

That clenched hand........not consistent with a mother enjoying watching her daughter taking part in an activity, imo.

Hmmmm....maybe Kate should have taken more heed of the 'rumours' that she heard about Gerry which she writes about in her book.

I wonder who took the photo?

http://lonerwolf.com/body-language-hands/

For the hand to be tightly clenched the thumb needs to play a part, but it is just hanging.

by Liz Eagles 20.11.14 6:51

Brian Griffin wrote:
j.rob wrote:
NickE wrote:Wasn´t "the horse photo" taken in March-April 2007?
You can see the gap between the teeth without zooming the horse photo.
One of these is not Madeleine, that´s for sure.

One thing that struck me about the horse photo is that Kate's right hand is so tightly clenched. It is one of the few photos (maybe the only photo) that I have seen of Madeleine (if indeed it is Madeleine) with either of her parents that looks remotely 'normal' in the sense that either Kate or Gerry is watching over Madeleine taking part in something and enjoying her enjoyment.

So, at first glance it looks quite normal. But then you notice Kate's right hand incredibly tightly clenched. That would suggest Kate is experiencing some quite intense negative emotions, imo. Which is really not compatible with taking your three and 3/4 year old daughter on a sweet pony riding session.

I mean, that is just supposed to be cute - it's nothing to do with riding, but it is just a sweet activity to watch a very young child of this age doing.

That clenched hand........not consistent with a mother enjoying watching her daughter taking part in an activity, imo.

Hmmmm....maybe Kate should have taken more heed of the 'rumours' that she heard about Gerry which she writes about in her book.

I wonder who took the photo?

http://lonerwolf.com/body-language-hands/
For the hand to be tightly clenched the thumb needs to play a part, but it is just hanging.

She might have just had something in her hand - car keys, a hairgrip who knows? I find it tedious that every single photo of Madeleine comes with a conspiracy.

It's a lovely photograph.

I hope no-one's going to say the pony was photoshopped into the picture.

Oh wait...someone will surely question Madeleine's riding hat.

by pennylane 20.11.14 8:56

aquila wrote:
Brian Griffin wrote:
j.rob wrote:
NickE wrote:Wasn´t "the horse photo" taken in March-April 2007?
You can see the gap between the teeth without zooming the horse photo.
One of these is not Madeleine, that´s for sure.

One thing that struck me about the horse photo is that Kate's right hand is so tightly clenched. It is one of the few photos (maybe the only photo) that I have seen of Madeleine (if indeed it is Madeleine) with either of her parents that looks remotely 'normal' in the sense that either Kate or Gerry is watching over Madeleine taking part in something and enjoying her enjoyment.

So, at first glance it looks quite normal. But then you notice Kate's right hand incredibly tightly clenched. That would suggest Kate is experiencing some quite intense negative emotions, imo. Which is really not compatible with taking your three and 3/4 year old daughter on a sweet pony riding session.

I mean, that is just supposed to be cute - it's nothing to do with riding, but it is just a sweet activity to watch a very young child of this age doing.

That clenched hand........not consistent with a mother enjoying watching her daughter taking part in an activity, imo.

Hmmmm....maybe Kate should have taken more heed of the 'rumours' that she heard about Gerry which she writes about in her book.

I wonder who took the photo?

http://lonerwolf.com/body-language-hands/
For the hand to be tightly clenched the thumb needs to play a part, but it is just hanging.
She might have just had something in her hand - car keys, a hairgrip who knows? I find it tedious that every single photo of Madeleine comes with a conspiracy.

It's a lovely photograph.

I hope no-one's going to say the pony was photoshopped into the picture.

Oh wait...someone will surely question Madeleine's riding hat.

Give it time, aquila!

Both pictures are very sweet, and Madeleine looks like she's enjoying herself!

by Brian Griffin 20.11.14 16:37

It's the pony what did it!

In my opinion.

by Liz Eagles 20.11.14 16:50

Brian Griffin wrote:It's the pony what did it!

In my opinion.

It must be because the pony has a white back leg (obviously photo-shopped) when the other three legs are sporting socks.

I think that pony also has a bit of a breeze going on with its mane....is it the same breeze as Kate's hair? can someone put up a weather forecast and a few diagrams to discuss?

Was the pony's whitened hind leg due to hair dye?

Is there something about the reins on the pony that could solve the mystery of Madeleine's disappearance?

Will Bob Geldof cure ebola?

Will I run out of sarcastic comments?

Oh, I haven't. Will someone investigate the riding hat Madeleine is wearing to check if it was elf and safety/British Standard kite marked/relevant to the time of the photo?

by j.rob 20.11.14 17:18

She might have just had something in her hand - car keys, a hairgrip who knows? I find it tedious that every single photo of Madeleine comes with a conspiracy.

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I just don't think Madeleine was a very much loved child and I see evidence in this from the few 'family' photos I have seen. I don't think either Kate or Gerry were properly 'bonded' with her. Which may go a long way towards explaining why she 'disappeared', imo.

The clenched fingers of Kate's hand suggest a level of stress/anger/anxiety which is inconsistent, imo, with a nice little outing with your daughter.

I personally think that both KM and GM are narcissistic and found parenting a trial. They like to be centre stage.

As I wrote, this is one of the very few, if only, photos I have seen where Madeleine is centre stage and one of the parents is looking on with pleasure. So it stands out. But I do note the clenched fingers.

I think there was probably a very weird family dynamic going on with KM and GM resenting their first born, especially after the arrival of a ready-made family of boy and girl twins.

To be fair, though, some of the home videos do seem to show three happy children playing together.

When was this photo supposed to have been taken and when was it released, just out of interest. Does anyone know?