Re: Another look at the Last photo

by **PeterMac** 02.06.19 11:20

Do we really suppose that if there were photos which included Madeleine dated Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, we would not have been shown them already as conclusive proof or something or other.
But we haven't.
From which we may reasonably suppose there are none.
And by extension, that what photos there may show only the McCann parents and the twins.
And those photos have been concealed by Gamble and Control risks for the reasons we can all imagine

Yet again it will only take ONE piece of good evidence . . .
But we are never shown it.

We live in the age of digital photos, and there will still be many thousands downloaded en bloc to people' computers when they got home, and never deleted or sorted.

by **sharonl** 02.06.19 11:35

PeterMac wrote:Do we really suppose that if there were photos which included Madeleine dated Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, we would not have been shown them already as conclusive proof or something or other.
But we haven't.
From which we may reasonably suppose there are none.
And by extension, that what photos there may show only the McCann parents and the twins.
And those photos have been concealed by Gamble and Control risks for the reasons we can all imagine

Yet again it will only take ONE piece of good evidence . . .
But we are never shown it.

We live in the age of digital photos, and there will still be many thousands downloaded en bloc to people' computers when they got home, and never deleted or sorted.

Sorry, I should have added my thoughts on those later photographs after April 29th. If they showed the McCanns in the background, Some of Kate, some of Gerry, some of the twins, all together or even as family of four, and no sign of Madeleine, that would also suggest that she was not around.

by **PeterMac** 02.06.19 13:11

Quite so.
And that may be why we have been shown precisely none of them.
Not a single one.
As with the evidence for 'abduction' all we need is ONE scrap, one tiny indication, one tiny clue, one apparently insignificant detail
But again there is nothing.

What they tried to give us proved to be untrue. Broken shutters, flapping curtains, Chloroform, Tannerman . . .
All of it dismissed.
We are still waiting, 12 years later, for just ONE piece of evidence.
But the Police of 2 Nations, 5 sets of Private Detectives, and hundreds of loyal and paid followers and acolytes cannot produce anything.

by **PeterMac** 02.06.19 13:53

Even the golden opportunity of the Paraiso . . . with the CCTV
has everyone ELSE there, but not the McCann family.
And an over-elaborate story to go with it, involving jogging on loose sand, laughter, shouting, and all the rest.

by **sharonl** 02.06.19 16:36

It was said that Gerry was not into taking photographs, Kate took some pics but the keen photographer in the group was David Payne.

Was it David who took the playground photographs?

Why do we get these photographs from the first day, but nothing after?

Looking at the hundreds of photographs of Madeleine on the internet, it seems that the McCann family were regularly photographing the children, so why no pics on this holiday?

by NickE 02.06.19 16:45

Antother thing I find very suspicious and odd is that there were no photos from inside or in connection to 5A from the McCann's.
Family holiday and not a single photo.

by **sharonl** 02.06.19 17:33

NickE wrote:Antother thing I find very suspicious and odd is that there were no photos from inside or in connection to 5A from the McCann's.
Family holiday and not a single photo.

They were lost during the move, along with all the little arts and crafts that Madeleine made at the creche. nod

How did I do Kate?

by worriedmum 02.06.19 22:35

Verdi wrote:Then you need ask again - why the need to publicize the photograph in the first place?

That aside, I believe this particular photograph has been dissected to the ninth degree leaving little doubt that is was indeed a genuine photograph but only the time and date adjusted to complete the picture - the desired effect.

Sometimes the simplest interpretation and/or explanation is the best..

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Sorry, I didn't explain my thoughts very clearly.

Yes I agree with everything you say here, Verdi. My point was that it was not offered at the time as proof Madeleine was really there on Thursday because it showed other information , such as another person in the background, which would not support the alleged time the picture was taken. It was released later to support the idea that it was taken on Thursday, not Sunday, but 'adjustments' had to be made, such as cropping and changing the time data?

by **sharonl** 02.06.19 22:56

The first question the PJ or anyone else would have asked is "was it really that sunny yesterday?"

Three weeks later, there is more chance that they wouldn't have remembered the weather conditions.

by Guest 02.06.19 23:06

THE INFORMATION SOUGHT IS SOMETIMES UNOBTAINABLE

We need reliable information. Apart from all the searches already undertaken, we must also examine the photos and films taken by the McCann family and their friends. From amongst the onlookers, these images could help to identify a suspicious-looking individual or someone whose attitude might be suspicious. Trivialised since the general use of computers, photography is a source of information which the investigators know not to neglect: each holiday-maker takes, in general, hundreds of photos. The McCanns and their friends who were in Vila da Luz make all of theirs available to the investigators, but none of those dating from the evening of the disappearance help us to understand what happened.

Goncalo Amaral: The Truth of the Lie - Chapter 3

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Thursday 10th May 2007

Gerry was taken in to be interviewed while I remained downstairs. I made use of the long wait I anticipated by sitting down with a notebook, pen and my camera, containing dated photographs of the holiday, and trying to write a detailed account of everything that had happened the week before.

MEETING THE PJ

On Sunday 20 May, Gerry left for the UK. [the occasion when the poolside photograph first materialized]

At Monday’s meeting with the British police [Monday 21st? The day Gerry McCann returned to Portugal when the poolside photograph first materialized?], Gerry was told about plans to launch an appeal in the UK aimed at holidaymakers who had been in the Algarve in the weeks leading up to Madeleine’s abduction. They would be encouraged to send in to the Child Exploitation and Online Protection agency any photographs they had taken in which people they didn’t recognize could be seen in the background. CEOP would use facial-recognition software to screen these pictures for known offenders who might have been in the area. To us this seemed a massive step forward, a sign that the unique collaboration between the UK and Portuguese police was beginning to bear some fruit.

madeleine by Kate McCan

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by **PeterMac** 03.06.19 7:40

Thursday 10th May. GM Makes statement to PJ "Asked, he clarifies that, with regard to the personal photos already delivered by him to the authorities after the disappearance of his daughter MADELEINE, he has no others in his possession."

Sunday 20th May . GM returns to UK - Travels to Rothley
Monday 21st ?
Tuesday 22nd. GM returns to PdL with Mitchell. Philomena arrives in PdL from Scotland
Wednesday 23rd - Pool photo sent to French Press Agency
Thursday 24th - Pool Photo released by APF to world media,
with the instruction from Mitchell to "Look at the time = look at the date'.
It is widely believed that the time and date in the EXIF Metadata had been altered

Philomena's husband, Tony Rickwood, is a keen amateur astronomer, and an expert in manipulating digital photos

by Guest 03.06.19 10:23

PeterMac wrote:Thursday 24th - Pool Photo released by APF to world media,
with the instruction from Mitchell to "Look at the time = look at the date'.

Is there a source for that CM quote?

A bit suspicious (to say the least) if there is.

In fact with what we now think it's a great ringing bell.

by **PeterMac** 03.06.19 11:32

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Last Photo Of Madeleine Is Released Thursday May 24, 2007:
“The family of missing Madeleine McCann have released the last known photograph of their daughter before her abduction three weeks ago. The picture shows her smiling and dangling her feet into a swimming pool. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], who has turned four since her [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], is shown enjoying her holiday less than eight hours before she was snatched from her bed. The picture was taken by Madeleine's mother [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], on her own camera. Her daughter is shown smiling, wearing a pink smock top, white shorts and a sun hat as she cools her feet in the swimming pool. The picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3 - Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm. Less than eight hours later, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Madeleine disappeared. She had been sleeping in the family's [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Portugal, when she was abducted…”

by Guest 03.06.19 13:27

Yes I see... emphasis has been placed on the timestamp.

"2.29pm on May 3".

A bit too much (unnecessary) detail... we now know why.

The pudding then gets over-egged... "Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm"

by Guest 03.06.19 13:30

It was obviously text from a press release.

Example: The Bolton News

Taken by Madeleine's mother Kate, aged 38, on her own camera, the picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3 - Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm.

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Thanks Peter, I'm even more convinced now we have this right.

by **PeterMac** 03.06.19 14:48

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for the way this time and date were forced down everyone's throats.
Many of the links have been 'whooshed', sadly.
It is of course irrelevant whether the time was 1229, 1329, 1429 or 1529, or any other time over "the luncheon interval".
It was the McCann's and Mitchell's INSISTENCE on it which made people question it,
leading to the result we know.

by NickE 03.06.19 15:14

PeterMac wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Last Photo Of Madeleine Is Released Thursday May 24, 2007:
“The family of missing Madeleine McCann have released the last known photograph of their daughter before her abduction three weeks ago. The picture shows her smiling and dangling her feet into a swimming pool. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], who has turned four since her [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], is shown enjoying her holiday less than eight hours before she was snatched from her bed. The picture was taken by Madeleine's mother [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], on her own camera. Her daughter is shown smiling, wearing a pink smock top, white shorts and a sun hat as she cools her feet in the swimming pool. The picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3 - Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm. Less than eight hours later, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Madeleine disappeared. She had been sleeping in the family's [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Portugal, when she was abducted…”

Could there've been a possibility that "the one hour out" was a last minute whitewash because she was signed in at creche at 2:30pm?
It's hard to be at two places on the same time.

by **PeterMac** 03.06.19 15:45

No. Because the Lobsters creche sheet says 2:54. (Jellyfish 2.45)

But then Madeleine was also signed out at 5:30 by Kate
who simultaneously was returning from her run and meeting all the family who were already at High Tea, with Gerry,
whilst everyone else, without exception, had been banished to the Paraiso.
It depends on which particular "Version of the truth" you prefer, I suppose.
As you say, hard to be in two places at the same time, but Kate can clearly do it.

To refresh people's memory, 1429 was Solar Zenith - High Noon on that day. 1429 exactly. To the minute.

An amateur asked to change the Metadata to midday might put 1200
A knowledgable astronomer would put 1429
Tony Rickwood is a knowledgable astronomer.

The important bit is not the time, it is the date.
The picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3

by NickE 03.06.19 17:54

Okay, I was convinced that the last two numbers was a badly written "3" and "0".

by Guest 03.06.19 18:13

Rumour has it that the 'last photograph' was first promoted on the original FindMadeleine official website. This is a distinct possibility as Gerry McCann was said to have returned to the UK to finalise the campaign detail - amongst other reasons.

MADELEINE’S OFFICIAL “LAST PHOTO”

On Thursday May 3, 2007 at 2:29pm, Kate McCann took a photo of husband Gerry and daughters Amelie and Madeleine. On the first version of the official Find Madeleine website we were told:

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I can't vouch for this information as the original source is elusive.

Whatever, it doesn't make much difference. Fact remains, the time and date of the photograph was emphasised when published for the first time.

by **PeterMac** 04.06.19 13:48

The Photo was released on 24 May 2007 by the AFP, French Press Agency [no one knows why they were chosen]
It was obviously sent out over the usual channels, and most of the press in the UK had exactly the same story, including the stuff about the time 'shown on the picture'' which of course it isn't !

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has many of the original stories. Most of the links have been "whooshed".
This is a copy of the rubric from AFP

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by Guest 04.06.19 13:59

Tuesday 8th May 2007

There were so many people, our family and friends in particular, who desperately wanted to help. Gerry’s call to arms spurred them into action and gradually they began to pursue their own avenues. The very next evening Gerry’s sister Phil sent a chain email round the world asking every recipient to help find our little girl. It came with a downloadable poster featuring a photograph of Madeleine, the one of her holding the tennis balls, taken two days before she vanished.

This led the following day to the first conversation, between Phil, a teacher, and Calum Macrae, a former pupil of hers and an IT whizzkid, about establishing a website for Madeleine.

Jon Corner had opened up the file transfer protocol he’d set up on 4 May to circulate Madeleine’s image to family, friends and other supporters. No, I didn’t know what one of those was, either: basically, it provided access via a password to a repository for photographs and other material, allowing people to share their resources. Helpers could post their material on a dedicated server via the FTP and use that supplied by others to create flyers, posters and so on. The press already had the password, which gave them access to pictures and video footage.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

by crispbee2000 20.08.19 14:04

kaz wrote:
Verdi wrote:DougD,

OK fair enough, you say petata I say patarto and never the twain shall meet.

It's not an area of particular interest to me anyway, my primary concern is the absence of Madeleine photographs outside of the poolside/playground shots and the scarcity of photographs of the McCann family and their friends.
But with so many of the photographs indecipherable, can we be sure of that? Now THAT would be a good reason for the McCanns to pass on greyscale photos wouldn't it? Not saying that the photograph evidence in the PJ files aren't scans..............they certainly look like them .....................................but the question is, are they scans of photographs already useless as evidence?

I'd love to find the original Portuguese for the following quote from Inspector Ricardo Paiva:
"They are my own descriptions, and yes, almost all of the B&W (non-grey scale) images do not readily permit identification of the individual. They were created for the PDF using what is is known as 'pure Black and White' scanning/printing - there are no other colours whatsoever in the images."
Is he explaining that the creator of the files used pure B&W scanning/printing, or is he explaining that he has done this for publication? To my mind you can read it both ways and it may well be that the English translation has lost some of the true inference???

by **Tony Bennett** 20.08.19 17:37

crispbee2000 wrote:
kaz wrote:
Verdi wrote:DougD,

OK fair enough, you say petata I say patarto and never the twain shall meet.

It's not an area of particular interest to me anyway, my primary concern is the absence of Madeleine photographs outside of the poolside/playground shots and the scarcity of photographs of the McCann family and their friends.
But with so many of the photographs indecipherable, can we be sure of that? Now THAT would be a good reason for the McCanns to pass on greyscale photos wouldn't it? Not saying that the photograph evidence in the PJ files aren't scans..............they certainly look like them .....................................but the question is, are they scans of photographs already useless as evidence?
I'd love to find the original Portuguese for the following quote from Inspector Ricardo Paiva:
"They are my own descriptions, and yes, almost all of the B&W (non-grey scale) images do not readily permit identification of the individual. They were created for the PDF using what is is known as 'pure Black and White' scanning/printing - there are no other colours whatsoever in the images."
Is he explaining that the creator of the files used pure B&W scanning/printing, or is he explaining that he has done this for publication? To my mind you can read it both ways and it may well be that the English translation has lost some of the true inference???

That is a very good point.

We do know that the images were supplied to the PJ on two separate days, 8 & 9 May 2007, by Gerry McCann, Alex Woolfall and Michael Wright, on two computer disks.

I think they were put onto disk in black-and-white - but that is only from memory of what I read many years ago.

However, there is one further point. IIRC, two or three of the images - of Madeleine - found their way on to the PJ file in colour, didn't they?

So who was responsible for choosing to print just those two or three photos in colour?

The McCann Team?

Or the PJ?

by Guest 21.08.19 8:07

I'd love to find the original Portuguese for the following quote from Inspector Ricardo Paiva:
"They are my own descriptions, and yes, almost all of the B&W (non-grey scale) images do not readily permit identification of the individual. They were created for the PDF using what is is known as 'pure Black and White' scanning/printing - there are no other colours whatsoever in the images."

I don't think Ricardo Paiva said that.

I think either the translator (ALBYM) or the person who created the web page said it.

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by crispbee2000 21.08.19 10:01

Tony Bennett wrote:
crispbee2000 wrote:
kaz wrote:
Verdi wrote:DougD,

OK fair enough, you say petata I say patarto and never the twain shall meet.

It's not an area of particular interest to me anyway, my primary concern is the absence of Madeleine photographs outside of the poolside/playground shots and the scarcity of photographs of the McCann family and their friends.
But with so many of the photographs indecipherable, can we be sure of that? Now THAT would be a good reason for the McCanns to pass on greyscale photos wouldn't it? Not saying that the photograph evidence in the PJ files aren't scans..............they certainly look like them .....................................but the question is, are they scans of photographs already useless as evidence?
I'd love to find the original Portuguese for the following quote from Inspector Ricardo Paiva:
"They are my own descriptions, and yes, almost all of the B&W (non-grey scale) images do not readily permit identification of the individual. They were created for the PDF using what is is known as 'pure Black and White' scanning/printing - there are no other colours whatsoever in the images."
Is he explaining that the creator of the files used pure B&W scanning/printing, or is he explaining that he has done this for publication? To my mind you can read it both ways and it may well be that the English translation has lost some of the true inference???
That is a very good point.

We do know that the images were supplied to the PJ on two separate days, 8 & 9 May 2007, by Gerry McCann, Alex Woolfall and Michael Wright, on two computer disks.

I think they were put onto disk in black-and-white - but that is only from memory of what I read many years ago.

However, there is one further point. IIRC, two or three of the images - of Madeleine - found their way on to the PJ file in colour, didn't they?

So who was responsible for choosing to print just those two or three photos in colour?

The McCann Team?

Or the PJ?

Looking more closely at the PJ files I think that it looks more certain that the files were delivered to the PJ in B&W + Greyscale. If the role of Insp' Paiva was to analyse the images and report to the 'Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation' then at that time the evidence would have to be presented as best as good be. The role of any protection of civilians identity upon eventual and later publication would surely be the role of someone else entirely.

BTW. I'm working on a flow chart to plot what I believe the flow of image data was from the various sources, where they were supposedly handled, analysed and publicised. I'm hoping that this flow chart can bring some more focus on to what we know and what we don't. The reticence (or otherwise) of TM to provide the full photo record has to be one of the most important aspects of the case. If there is someone or something in the photo record (or indeed someone or something missing from the photo) that would cause problems to the McCanns (and possibly others) - then we need to establish exactly what that is.

by Guest 21.08.19 10:34

Looking more closely at the PJ files I think that it looks more certain that the files were delivered to the PJ in B&W + Greyscale.

I disagree.

It would have been totally unacceptable for the McCanns to hand over the photos in that terrible black and white state. The PJ would have said something and demanded the originals.

I think they were in colour when handed over. But when they ended up in the PJ files they were scanned from physical bits of paper.

You can even see the physical folder binder holes in some of the pages.

The physical bits of paper may have been fax copies or the person doing the scanning chose b&w.

They look like fax copies to me.

by Guest 21.08.19 12:19

BlueBag wrote:
I'd love to find the original Portuguese for the following quote from Inspector Ricardo Paiva:
"They are my own descriptions, and yes, almost all of the B&W (non-grey scale) images do not readily permit identification of the individual. They were created for the PDF using what is is known as 'pure Black and White' scanning/printing - there are no other colours whatsoever in the images."
I don't think Ricardo Paiva said that.

I think either the translator (ALBYM) or the person who created the web page said it.

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Correct BlueBag - it was indeed said by ALBYM or the persona who created the web page..

TRANSLATION BY ALBYM
They are my own descriptions, and yes, almost all of the B&W (non-grey scale) images do not readily permit identification of the individual. They were created for the PDF using what is is known as 'pure Black and White' scanning/printing - there are no other colours whatsoever in the images. File notes - 9 May:
PDF Apenso Desc.
12 549    Analysis of CD delivered by GM
13 550    Analysis of CD delivered by M Wright
14 551    Image grouping index: (1)Apartments; (2)Ocean Club; (3)Beach
15 552    Blank page
16 553    Receipt of images dated 8 May
17 554    Receipt of images dated 8 May (same words; different signature)
18 555    Blank page
....................

If I might add, as I've previously pointed out, there is no evidence to suggest Alex Woolfall of Bell Pottinger, was involved with the preparation of the CDs delivered to the PJ by Gerry McCann and Michael Wright.

The McCanns had photographs of Madeleine on their digital camera, which Mr Woolfall began transferring to a laptop computer. “I said to Kate, ‘Let’s try to identify pictures where her face is visible’. Downloading the images was a very difficult process for them. It was upsetting.

“They were trying to do two things at once: one, emotionally deal with what was actually, really happening to them; two, operate in some sort of logical way to help get her back.”

Mr Woolfall transmitted the photographs to the Press Association in London, from where they were distributed to the media. The portfolio included the now famous image of Madeleine wearing a hat on a tennis court.

Timesonline

by Guest 21.08.19 12:23

BlueBag wrote:
Looking more closely at the PJ files I think that it looks more certain that the files were delivered to the PJ in B&W + Greyscale.
I disagree.

It would have been totally unacceptable for the McCanns to hand over the photos in that terrible black and white state. The PJ would have said something and demanded the originals.

I think they were in colour when handed over. But when they ended up in the PJ files they were scanned from physical bits of paper.

You can even see the physical folder binder holes in some of the pages.

The physical bits of paper may have been fax copies or the person doing the scanning chose b&w.

They look like fax copies to me.

Correct BlueBag.

Examples..

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