"Victims of abuse .."

by Searcher 02.10.14 10:52

I am just listening to a radio phone-in, where the presenter can only focus on the McCanns as victims, and the vile abuses against them of "trolls" online.

There has been no mention at all of another view, of public concerns for all the evidence to be available - nothing, only the McCanns as victims and a 'blameless couple' whose only self-blame is for leaving their children sleeping "dining nearby, and popping back regularly to check on them".

It should be of great concern that any other view is being perpetrated as the 'lunatic lobby' - presenter has just used that phrase.

My sense is that this is now degenerating further into "the wounded innocent v. ugly trolls". What can be done to correct this?

by sallypelt 02.10.14 11:06

I wonder if Dr G Amaral will have something to say about this "hate" campaign against the McCann's?

Maybe we should remind Martin Brunt and other newspapers, who decide to post a one-sided article. Having read McCann Hashtag for many months (but have NEVER posted) I was disgusted with the filth thrown from BOTH sides, but most of the tweets were from people wanting answers to valid questions. I believe all those who questioned the T9 and their supporters, fell into the "Hate" category. As for the so-called "pros", they never seem to have anything other that abuse for those who were genuinely seeking answers. As for "haters", what category should these people be in?:

Take THIS ID for example:

SCUM COP AMORAL. How much lower can someone crawl into the gutter?

I can't wait for the day when Dr AMARAL has HIS day in court against the likes of the above, and it WILL come. Have faith!

by whatsupdoc 02.10.14 11:11

We don't control the media machine but we can make our views known on the net. I believe the Tapas group were at Chaplins on the Tuesday night which is 800 yards from 5A so if this has been established by the PJ then the McCanns were dining nearly half a mile away and not in their own back garden as it has been portrayed. They wouldn't have been "popping back" every few minutes as they intimated.

As the abductor was the figment of the McCann's imagination it is not surprising that the Met have spent 7 years and £10M looking for a person that doesn't exist. The McCanns have hardly been cleared of any wrong-doing. There is nobody else in the frame.

by canada12 02.10.14 11:13

If we take a positive point of view about these newspaper stories... if the reading public didn't know before that there was a group of people online who strongly disbelieve the McCanns' version of events... they certainly do now! And they now also know how to go looking for these anti-McCann comments, how to search for particular hashtags, and their curiosity may be further aroused and they'll seek out forums and facebook pages just to see what's been allegedly said.

Excellent publicity.

by Searcher 02.10.14 11:19

I have emailed the presenter, pointing him to this forum. In listening to the phone-in, I have been very concerned by the entrenched and absolute statements of innocence - from a presenter who is supposed to be at least open to a neutral approach. Instead, he is content to tell the whole nation categorically that there is nothing of concern here except the hateful trolls. Not only that, but all the callers supported his view, and I would imagine no other voices were allowed in.

So this is the quality of dedicated journalism now in this country? On prime-time "trusted" national media.

by .Guest.. 02.10.14 11:26

canada12 wrote:If we take a positive point of view about these newspaper stories... if the reading public didn't know before that there was a group of people online who strongly disbelieve the McCanns' version of events... they certainly do now! And they now also know how to go looking for these anti-McCann comments, how to search for particular hashtags, and their curiosity may be further aroused and they'll seek out forums and facebook pages just to see what's been allegedly said.

Excellent publicity.

Totally agree canada12. There is no such thing as bad publicity. The more people question events the more chance there is that the truth will eventually surface. I abhor anyone who uses threats of violence to underscore their view but peaceful protest and dogged determination cannot be seen to be a crime. After all if we were to be imprisoned for taking a different stance than the establishment would like us to take on any subject, the jails would be filled to overflowing, the courts would be so backlogged real criminals would never be tried and a huge amount of public money would be misdirected to pursue the dissenters.
If this forum continues to seek the truth in a civilised fashion without recourse to threats and insults to anyone with a viewpoint then it has nothing to fear.

by Tangled Web 02.10.14 11:39

Yep, a few more thousand 'haters' will be joining various fora once they do a quick google on this 'evil hate campaign' against the McCann's big grin

anyone would think the media etc. are turning the public against the McCann's on purpose, whilst appearing to sympathise thinking

by sallypelt 02.10.14 11:43

anon357 wrote:
canada12 wrote:If we take a positive point of view about these newspaper stories... if the reading public didn't know before that there was a group of people online who strongly disbelieve the McCanns' version of events... they certainly do now! And they now also know how to go looking for these anti-McCann comments, how to search for particular hashtags, and their curiosity may be further aroused and they'll seek out forums and facebook pages just to see what's been allegedly said.

Excellent publicity.

Totally agree canada12. There is no such thing as bad publicity. The more people question events the more chance there is that the truth will eventually surface. I abhor anyone who uses threats of violence to underscore their view but peaceful protest and dogged determination cannot be seen to be a crime. After all if we were to be imprisoned for taking a different stance than the establishment would like us to take on any subject, the jails would be filled to overflowing, the courts would be so backlogged real criminals would never be tried and a huge amount of public money would be misdirected to pursue the dissenters.
If this forum continues to seek the truth in a civilised fashion without recourse to threats and insults to anyone with a viewpoint then it has nothing to fear.

I totally agree, anon. When the day comes that we can't ask valid questions, and expect the powers that be to answer them in a clear and honest fashion, then we may as well shut up shop and go home. Last one out, shut the light off!

by pauloptix 02.10.14 11:43

MAIL ONLINE Home News Page

135 stories in total

134 stories open for comment

1 Story not open for comment. sarcastic

Can anyone guess which one?

by waiting for justice 02.10.14 11:48

Well said. I wouldn't put this forum in the category described. It is maintained and run in a very civilised manner. The "haters" word comes from the McCanns themselves about anyone not agreeing with their version of events. To be branded a hater could also be seen as quite disrespectful and abusive if they want to go down that road.

S&S have stirred all this up by the publication of the book. It wouldn't surprise me if they have taken it upon
themselves to carry out a bit of damage limitation to trivialise all the questions about the many omitted facts.

by Guest 02.10.14 11:48

sallypelt wrote:I totally agree, anon. When the day comes that we can't ask valid questions, and expect the powers that be to answer them in a clear and honest fashion, then we may as well shut up shop and go home. Last one out, shut the light off!

FOI questions are now abusive it seems.

by jozi 02.10.14 12:08

pauloptix wrote:MAIL ONLINE Home News Page

135 stories in total

134 stories open for comment

1 Story not open for comment. Can anyone guess which one?

Now let me think thinking

which story that could be......they really are desperadoes !!!

by Baldrick 02.10.14 12:09

pauloptix wrote:MAIL ONLINE Home News Page

135 stories in total

134 stories open for comment

1 Story not open for comment. Can anyone guess which one?

BT.com is the only one I can find taking comments

http://home.bt.com/news/uknews/mccanns-online-abuse-dossier-probed-11363935566385

by Searcher 02.10.14 12:21

Well said; this forum is a major cause of any hope I have that justice will prevail. A huge thankyou for the quality and care that makes it possible. friends

by sallypelt 02.10.14 12:30

Good to see that visitors to the PJ Files are working overtime.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/

by Baldrick 02.10.14 12:52

sallypelt wrote:Good to see that visitors to the PJ Files are working overtime.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/

by **Tony Bennett** 02.10.14 12:56

Can anyone confirm the exact wording of what I just heard on SKY News?

It was:

"Polls believe the parents are involved in Madeleine's disappearance despite no evidence"

Have we now become a nation which believes that parents of a missing child may be involved - where there is no evidence?

How appalling!

How utterly shameful!

P.S. What polls? Have they been published anywhere? - or suppressed?

by unchained melody 02.10.14 12:57

It was trolls not polls tony

by HelenMeg 02.10.14 12:57

Tony Bennett wrote:Can anyone confirm the exact wording of what I just heard on SKY News?

It was:

"Polls believe the parents are involved in Madeleine's disappearance despite no evidence"

Have we now become a nation which believes that parents of a missing child may be involved - where there is no evidence?

How appalling!

How utterly shameful!

P.S. What polls? Have they been published anywhere? - or suppressed?

No, only the polls believe this not the actual people

by Guest 02.10.14 13:08

HelenMeg wrote:

No, only the polls believe this not the actual people

Maybe it's what Poles believe?

by Brian Griffin 02.10.14 13:10

Reminds me of a Corporal Jones gag off 'Dad's Army'!

by Brian Griffin 02.10.14 13:31

'Troll' is the new 'racist'. It used to be (and maybe still is) that anyone who mentioned immigration was immediately and more to the point, dishonestly labelled a 'racist' and intimidated by it. It looks like 'troll' is now being used for anyone who questions anything about the McCann case.

These new articles and attacks on haters (and I do not condone those who threaten the McCanns here) seem to be a kind of revenge to make up for the lack of success and desired effect of the S&S book.

All in my opinion.

by Tangled Web 02.10.14 13:46

Nice to know the police have been reading the forums winkwink

by Searcher 02.10.14 13:48

If it becomes a 'crime' (or just simply, crime) to ask questions, then the free speech of our country changes for ever. I do not believe that will happen, but something to watch ! titter

by Brian Griffin 02.10.14 15:19

Just seen the Sky News report. Oh the irony!

Had 'Sweepyface' not been caught unawares, she might have been able to come out with all sorts of awkward questions for the reporter and cameramen hounding her.

Not condoning attacks on the McCanns here but some interesting double standards at play. Compare:

Q: How long must the McCanns suffer? A: For the rest of their miserable lives @sweepyface

Kate McCann about Goncalo Amaral: 'He deserves to be miserable and feel fear.'

One is 'right' and one is 'wrong', but they both appear to express pretty much the same sentiment to me.

In my opinion, (that I am not allowed to have because it makes me a 'troll').

by Jamming 02.10.14 17:00

How can anyone be labelled a 'Hater' or a 'Troll' for disbelieving the stories pedalled by TM ?

Given there have been numerous different versions of events and conflicting stories by them it is 100% impossible to believe them

I wonder if a daily visit to operation grange armed with such material as Richard Halls DVD's would generate as much publicity as this nonsense has ?

by SixMillionQuid 02.10.14 18:15

Nobody is anonymous on Twitter. And seven years sitting in front of a laptop copying Tweets!?? Who ever did that has no life...what was it that Micheal Wright said during the Leveson enquiry about watching Internet forums? Beginning to make sense now.

But here's a problem for the Twitter compiler. You are not the 'victim' of the tweets. How can you raise a complaint on behalf of the victim if the victim has not already complained to the police?