McCanns dispute DCI Redwood's dismissal of Tannerman

by tasprin 21.01.14 22:13

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These two pictures show a man carrying a child away from the family's apartment. This sighting was seen by a witness at 21:15 on the evening of Thursday, May 3rd, 2007.

Based or more recent information, the Metropolitan Police now believe this man may represent a guest at the Ocean Club who was carrying his daughter back to their apartment. However as it is not possible to be certain that these two men are actually the same person, if you have seen this man in the pictures or suspect who it may be, please contact the Metropolitan Police's OPERATION GRANGE on 0207 321 9251 (0044 207 321 9251 from outside the UK) or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]."

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by Guest 21.01.14 22:20

tasprin I have moved this in here, as it is not latest news, and has been discussed on several threads.

by tasprin 21.01.14 22:23

Ok, no problem Candyfloss. I hadn't seen it before.

by ultimaThule 21.01.14 22:33

The continuing existince of Tannerman on the lifestyle fund's website has been debated on numerous threads and, most notably, discussed here, Tasprin: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by Guest 21.01.14 23:27

tasprin wrote:Ok, no problem Candyfloss. I hadn't seen it before.

Me neither. I hadn't seen this text. They are flatout saying AR and Crimewatch are wrong (possibly) that is more subversive than just not removing the picture of Tannerman ...

by Mirage 22.01.14 0:02

Juulcy wrote:
tasprin wrote:Ok, no problem Candyfloss. I hadn't seen it before.
Me neither. I hadn't seen this text. They are flatout saying AR and Crimewatch are wrong (possibly) that is more subversive than just not removing the picture of Tannerman ...

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Ditto. How long has text been there?

by Guest 22.01.14 1:34

This text I hadn't seen before as well. Amazing.

by whatliesbehindthesofa 22.01.14 1:38

I'm now convinced that at the very least the McCanns are working against Operation Grange. This text makes no sense in the context of a white-wash.

by canada12 22.01.14 2:06

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:I'm now convinced that at the very least the McCanns are working against Operation Grange. This text makes no sense in the context of a white-wash.

This convinces me too. And I've said it before - I believe this is one of the foundations of the McCanns defense strategy if this ever goes to court. Sowing seeds of doubt into SY's conclusions, effectively calling them liars, standing by their assertion that JT saw someone else. It's Gerry's only alibi for that time, and if that falls apart, he has no alibi to account for his whereabouts during that time period, other than the word of the other Tapas crew.

by watendlath 22.01.14 5:43

Based or more recent information, the Metropolitan Police now believe this man may represent a guest at the Ocean Club who was carrying his daughter back to their apartment.
However as it is not possible to be certain that these two men are actually the same person...

There's some truth in that; the man Jane Tanner says she saw was walking in the direction of the creche, and 9.15 is a bit late for someone to have been taking their child there, rather than bringing her back.

On the other hand, if Crecheman and Tannerman are two separate people, it means that there were two individuals who looked and dressed practically identically and two girls, whose appearance is also very similar, being carried in exactly the same peculiar fashion, near 5a on that night.

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and again, nah

by marconi 22.01.14 6:36

on distorting Redwood's words, it is a confession that the parents are involved in the disappearance.

by Guest 22.01.14 7:21

I am shocked thay can be so brazen.
I had not seen this text before. Does anyone know when it was changed?
So in effect the McCanns are trashing the work of Andy Redwood. The Metropolitan Police. Crimewatch. The Government who authorised millions of pounds. And the entire population of this country who are paying for it.

Taken from the Metropolitan Police website:

"We believe we have identified the man who was seen by Jane Tanner carrying a child at about 21.15 near the apartment G5A. These images are the original sketch of that person made at the time together with a Met Police photo of the British holidaymaker who we have spoken to and is seen here wearing the clothes he believes he may have been wearing that evening. The images are: man holding child & man without child."

Madeleine McCann Appeal - October 2013
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There is no mention anywhere that they are still looking for another Tannerman. They do not ask for any witnesses.
They have clearly "moved on".

by marconi 22.01.14 7:45

Did I hear it well?

Please call Youtube

BBC News-Newsnight

McCanns on their worst fears for missing...

an interview by Clair Walsh (2011)

+ - 2.40 minutes

is gerry saying that he only read the 3 first versions of the book? does is mean that he did not read Kate's final product?

by **tigger** 22.01.14 7:52

TM are just the gift that keeps on giving - it's as if they've hired the PR of a totalitarian state:

All my people love me! Tannerman exists! SY are working for us!

On the other hand I believe in a partial whitewash, TM pure as the driven but Maddie declared to be 99% likely to be dead.

No more income for the Ltd.Co...... sad1

by Guest 22.01.14 8:24

tigger wrote:TM are just the gift that keeps on giving - it's as if they've hired the PR of a totalitarian state:

All my people love me! Tannerman exists! SY are working for us!

On the other hand I believe in a partial whitewash, TM pure as the driven but Maddie declared to be 99% likely to be dead.

No more income for the Ltd.Co......

In that case I am sure that they would use the 1% possibility that she may still be alive to continue their lifestyle fund.
And then consider sueing SY for hampering the search for Madeleine.

by russiandoll 22.01.14 8:44

I am not sure where I posted it, but I quoted the McCann site and bolded the relevant text alongside a quote from Redwood from the CW programme. Thanks for posting the text from the Met Police site.

That text from the Met site re the Tanner sighting is in line with Redwood's statement on CW of NEAR CERTAINTY that the man Tanner saw WAS NOT THE ABDUCTOR.

The language from the investigating authority, SY, could not be clearer that this man has been traced, interviewed and eliminated from their investigation.
They are no longer pursuing this. The pitiful attempt by the McCanns and co who run their site to latch on to the ALMOST NON-EXISTENT POSSIBIILITY that this man was a man carrying Maddie away, shows their desperation to try to convince the public that this sighting is credible.

The people who have donated to their fund and were at home when CW was aired will have watched it and will have heard Redwood say with conviction that Tanner was mistaken.

As for whitewash, I do not accept it, the police could have buried this a long time ago without all the hoo-ha and expense. The McCanns are not powerful, they are a pair of nobodies.

The only reason that this case was not resolved in 2007 was because the disappearance happened outside of the UK and because of the media involvement from the outset. No officals would have run to their aid had they reported this disappearance from any building in the UK.

I do not believe in a huge conspiracy such as that theorised by Textusa although I agree with much of the detail of the cover-up. The more people involved the more likely a cover -up will fail so I do not accept that the entire OC organisation and ex-pat community closed ranks.

The Mcs were with people who had media contacts and exploited this for their own ends to sow confusion and misdirect the public.
They cleverly exploited the sympathetic treatment by the police, whose big mistake was to treat them with kid gloves in the early stages.

It is the tangled web of deceit and confusion that SY are having to unravel to find the material truth which is buried in the police files.

I believe that they have found it and can see no other reason for the exit stage left, never to return as far as SY are concerned, of Tannerman.

by The Rooster 22.01.14 9:15

Best post I've read on the forum in a long time. I agree 100% with the comments made by the Russian lady. The McCanns are nobodies, if the establishment wanted to bury the case they could easily have done so (just like the media blackout of the second Falklands war, not conspiracy - fact), the tragic disappearance happening outside the UK allowed Gerry McCann to manipulate and at the same time hinder the search for the missing girl.

I really hope the early morning call from the dawn patrol at the McCanns front door happens soon so that this embarrassment to the human race can be brought to a conclusion. The McCanns are a disgrace.

by Cristobell 22.01.14 10:28

This is proof, if proof were needed, that there is a rift between Scotland Yard and the McCanns. Whatever they feared from the Smith sighting seems to have come to fruition. Redwood didn't appeal for more information during the update, I think he has what he wants.

by bobbin 22.01.14 11:07

Cristobell wrote:This is proof, if proof were needed, that there is a rift between Scotland Yard and the McCanns. Whatever they feared from the Smith sighting seems to have come to fruition. Redwood didn't appeal for more information during the update, I think he has what he wants.

Cristobell agree

As I posted on another thread the other day, Gerry McCann has continually dismissed seeing Jane Tanner walk past him at 9.15 p.m. 3rd May 2007.
Jez Wilkins, talking with Gerry, also denies seeing her.

Jane Tanner could have seen a cuckoo, a wombat or a pile of something nasty on the pavement, that you wouldn’t want to walk in, but none of it gives Gerry an alibi, because Gerry has refused, refuted, denied, even mis-placed, Jane's “giving him the ONLY ALIBI” that he could have so gratefully accepted and clung on to.

So, how does Gerry's refusal to accept Jane's letting him off the hook become the grounds for dismissing Andy Redwood's statement that 'tannerman' is no longer an unknown quantity?

True, the McCs have obfuscated since the beginning and are now clearly ‘desperately’ desperate to try to cling on to whatever they can salvage, by way of reaching out and grasping at passing straws.

But Andy Redwood is clever and will clearly be holding whatever it is he needs to be able to test the McCs’ resolve further.

By claiming that ‘Tannerman’ has ‘almost certainly’ been excluded, he is ‘almost certainly’ sitting back and watching, as are we, the wriggling and squirming that the McCs find themselves forced to do to try to cling on to their myth, their cash cow, their private fund paid for by old ladies and little children alike.

The world is watching. Tick, Tock.

by **PeterMac** 22.01.14 11:15

Trying to post up the screen shot of the Met's site but it won't let me.

However below the photofit of Tannerman it clearly states
"Man now identified by Operation Grange."
It is difficult for a group of police officers to be more clear than that.
And difficult for anyone to understand how the McCanns can get away with accusing Grange and DCI redwood of lying.

by Liz Eagles 22.01.14 11:34

Snipped from Bobbin's post

"their cash cow, their private fund paid for by old ladies and little children alike.

The world is watching. Tick, Tock"

There are no celebrities publicly supporting the McCanns. There is a charity that supports the McCanns and has adopted Kate as their ambassador. That same charity asks for donations at every possible opportunity - gives more words to asking for donations than to a missing child.

This is one sick situation imo. A charity that chooses to adopt Kate as an ambassador, publicise her 'missions' when in fact there is absolutely no evidence that Madeleine was abducted surely must be questionable.

Watching Kate and Gerry doing fundraising and being lauded on a website for missing children - is that the correct thing to do for a charity dedicated to missing people? If it were appropriate how many other parents of "abducted" children does this charity choose to promote and adopt as ambassadors?

Promoting the parents of Madeleine as role models doesn't add up. Why would a charity choose to favour Madeleine's parents?

Just my opinion.

by marconi 22.01.14 11:35

The McCanns criticised the PJ, insulting them, criticised Amaral, insulted Cameron and Theresa May, they criticised the British media, now they insult the Scotland Yard and Redwood, making enemies as many as possible.

by sofieellis 22.01.14 11:35

Hi Peter, do you have a link to the relevant Met page? I can't seem to find anything?

by Smokeandmirrors 22.01.14 11:53

marconi wrote:The McCanns criticised the PJ, insulting them, criticised Amaral, insulted Cameron and Theresa May, they criticised the British media, now they insult the Scotland Yard and Redwood, making enemies as many as possible.

Indeed, and it is completely outrageous to behave this way considering everyone but them is funding this farce. This awful pair need to be stopped, not only is it a disgrace but it shows they have no intention of letting justice be done.

by Woofer 22.01.14 12:06

marconi wrote:The McCanns criticised the PJ, insulting them, criticised Amaral, insulted Cameron and Theresa May, they criticised the British media, now they insult the Scotland Yard and Redwood, making enemies as many as possible.

Amazing isn`t it ....... yet still their arrogance flies higher than the Establishment itself.

by tiny 22.01.14 12:13

The mccanns must be well protected to get away with this

by Rasputin 22.01.14 12:19

Come on Mr Redwood , fire another salvo ...I may be tempted to change my avatar !

by Guest 22.01.14 12:28

They're clearly, by this appeal, inviting people to call the police with bogus, trying to force Andyman to respond. In my opinion. They imo want to find out what he's doing. May he not blink and not lick his Oreo cookie.

by Guest 22.01.14 12:43

Unbelievable! I have also never seen this text before,thank you.

I think they are doing this as they are guessing Andy Redwood has also created a fictional character,just like Jane Tanners. I believe Redwood has found a suitable person and will be able to prove it in court, he is not stupid,he has seen the lies and excuses they have made over the years and will not let a case fall through over tannerman.

Every time I watch the news lately more and more is coming out regarding cover ups and I believe that there seems to be a clear out and clean up of this behaviour occurring.

Justice for Madeleine soon I hope.

by Mirage 22.01.14 12:50

Rasputin wrote:Come on Mr Redwood , fire another salvo ...I may be tempted to change my avatar !

I'm with you on that one, Rasputin. There seems to be a whiff of desperation in the McCann camp. Otherwise we are in Kafka territory.

I am holding faith with you, Mr Redwood, by the merest slither, on the strength of this open defiance of the Metropolitan Police (of global renown). I will be first in line with the congratulations if you are cracking them psychologically. I have had a good bottle of fizz put by for the occasion so don't let me down!

ETA. I like it that the McCanns have "Contact us" at the top and contact the Met at the bottom. Gives you some sense of their out-of-control delusions of grandeur as well as undisguised panic. A heady mix.

Tune in for the next instalment of "Carry on up the Kibosh"