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Despite sniffer dogs being 'incredibly unreliable', KLM use them to reunite lost property with its owners

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Despite sniffer dogs being 'incredibly unreliable', KLM use them to reunite lost property with its owners

Post by Tony Bennett on 25.09.14 14:26

ETA:  Neil Waterhouse of Basingstoke managed to get these two comments past the Daily Mail Moderatror, which were rapidly green-arrowed:


Neil Waterhouse, Basingstoke:

"I wonder if he could help Kate and Gerry find the
blue Sports bag that Portuguese Police wanted to find !!??? The one that appears in Police crime scene photographs, exactly where the Police sniffer later barked its head off as it could detect where a human corpse had been...But which people in the UK are obliged to believe never existed because the PR team and Gerry says he never had one !"


"Mind you it was only one out of 11 unique indicators of a human corpse having been in contact with the apartment and their clothing. Remarkable and reliable, as of course dogs don't lie."
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Lost and found just got cuter! Airline employs Sherlock the dog detective to find owners of forgotten items left on planes... by tracking their scent

  • Sherlock work with KLM's lost and found team to return forgotten items
  • The pup picks up valuables from planes then hunts for their owners
  • The dog detective carries the items in a special pouch in his jacket

By Sarah Gordon for MailOnline
Published: 10:36, 24 September 2014 | Updated: 12:28, 24 September 2014


Lost and Found at Amsterdam airport just got a whole lot cuter, with the introduction of an investigative beagle.
Airline KLM has employed a cute, uniform-wearing dog to help reunite passengers with lost items that they leave behind on planes.
The pooch - appropriately named Sherlock - uses its tracking skills to smell the lost item then dash through Amsterdam Schipol Airport to find the appropriate owner.

Puppy Power! Dog delivers lost items for Amsterdam Airport



The energetic beagle can be seen bounding through the airport with mobiles and headphones tucked in his pouch and even carrying stuffed toys back to their rightful owners.

A video released by the airline shows how Sherlock is doted on by staff.

Sandra List, a member of KLM's Team Lost & Found said: 'I think he is a real asset to the company




Puppy power! Sherlock the beagle comes to the rescue to return a missing phone



Leaps and bounds: The unusual lost and found system has delighted passengers at Amsterdam Schipol

'Our main goal is to return lost items to owners as fast as possible. I really love that we're getting some help with that.'


But rescuing abandoned items from planes is a tough job and Sherlock certainly needed some training.
His handler Dirk van Driel, explained: 'We train for muscle strength endurance and of course socialisation.


 


On the trail: The dog sniffs the item then dashes through the airport to find its owner



Reunited: One man shows his delight as his expensive headphones are returned to him


Star of the show: Sherlock happily poses for pictures with grateful passengers

'When you see the reactions of the passengers that really is amazing.'

Sherlock has become something of a star at the airport, with grateful customers posing for selfies with him and staff showing him with attention.

One woman who works on KLM's check-in desk said: 'He drops by regularly but I have to admit I do spoil him a bit.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2767766/Lost-just-got-cuter-Airline-employs-Sherlock-dog-detective-return-forgotten-items-left-planes-tracking-scent.html#ixzz3EKjNPpui

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Post by PeterMac on 25.09.14 14:38

Disgraceful !
He will be accused of planting items next ! !

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Post by missmar1 on 25.09.14 14:58

According to the news, the police are using dogs in their search for missing Alice Gross - poor girl, I so hope she has just run away from home and will be found safe ....but the use of these dogs seem to indicate the police may be fearing the worst ..... so sad.

  It makes me wonder what the Mccann's think about the recent publicity that British police are actually using these type of dogs to assist them in their search when Gerry Mccann has claimed they are unreliable.   All my opinion only.

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Post by PeterMac on 25.09.14 15:52

@missmar1 wrote:According to the news, the police are using dogs in their search for missing Alice Gross - poor girl, I so hope she has just run away from home and will be found safe ....but the use of these dogs seem to indicate the police may be fearing the worst ..... so sad.
  It makes me wonder what the Mccann's think about the recent publicity that British police are actually using these type of dogs to assist them in their search when Gerry Mccann has claimed they are unreliable.   All my opinion only.

And the McCanns have now been joined by Winters and Goose, who despite admitting that dogs can be "Stunningly accurate" (their words) and despite the known fact that the two in question had not been wrong on any of their previous 200 searches, and despite the fact that the two in question were then head hunted by the FBI, along with their trainer - handler, and have performed in high profile cases in the USA ( and we remember that the McCanns wanted the FBI brought in ! ! ! What if Grime had been working for them at that stage ? )
On this ONE McCasion they BOTH got it wrong, no fewer than 14 times, and conspired to Pervert the Course of Justice, or to Lead the Police astray (get it ?)  (contrary to section K9 of the Dogs and Criminal Evidence Act)

(And Winters and Goose then pretend they don't understand about corroboration - which may be true, sadly.)

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Post by missmar1 on 25.09.14 16:18

@PeterMac wrote:
@missmar1 wrote:According to the news, the police are using dogs in their search for missing Alice Gross - poor girl, I so hope she has just run away from home and will be found safe ....but the use of these dogs seem to indicate the police may be fearing the worst ..... so sad.
  It makes me wonder what the Mccann's think about the recent publicity that British police are actually using these type of dogs to assist them in their search when Gerry Mccann has claimed they are unreliable.   All my opinion only.

And the McCanns have now been joined by Winters and Goose, who despite admitting that dogs can be "Stunningly accurate" (their words) and despite the known fact that the two in question had not been wrong on any of their previous 200 searches, and despite the fact that the two in question were then head hunted by the FBI, along with their trainer - handler, and have performed in high profile cases in the USA  ( and we remember that the McCanns wanted the FBI brought in ! ! !   What if Grime had been working for them at that stage ? )
On this ONE McCasion they BOTH got it wrong, no fewer than 14 times, and conspired to Pervert the Course of Justice, or to Lead the Police astray (get it ?)  (contrary to section K9 of the Dogs and Criminal Evidence Act)

(And Winters and Goose then pretend they don't understand about corroboration - which may be true, sadly.)


 I understand Kate Mccann also mentioned in her book about the dogs being "unreliable" in the Kappata ( spelling) case, but didn't later state, or even correct her mistake that she had got it wrong  and that the dogs had actually got it RIGHT because Kappata eventually confessed to killing his wife  ? 
It seems the Mccann's are also desperate for the public to believe Eddie and Keela got it wrong !   All my opinion only.

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Post by PeterMac on 25.09.14 17:46

@missmar1 wrote:
 I understand Kate Mccann also mentioned in her book about the dogs being "unreliable" in the Kappata ( spelling) case, but didn't later state, or even correct her mistake that she had got it wrong  and that the dogs had actually got it RIGHT because Kappata eventually confessed to killing his wife  ? 
It seems the Mccann's are also desperate for the public to believe Eddie and Keela got it wrong !   All my opinion only.
Wisconsin -v- Zapata  
see http://eddieandkeela.blogspot.com.es/2008/02/zapata-admits-killing-wife-gets-5-years.html
http://www.caninesearchsolutions.org/wisconsin_v._zapata.pdf

It is quite remarkable since by the time she wrote the book Zapata had coughed and the dog's alerts had been shown to be absolutely correct, over 29 YEARS of moving the body round and hiding it.
What possessed her therefore to lnclude such a damning piece of evidence in her autobiography is beyond anything I have been able to work out.
Even Winters and Goose have to consign it to a small sentence in parentheses. They don't even name the case
p. 180 (Ironically, the accused man subsequently confessed to the crime.)

That is another measure of the rank dishonesty in the book. ( And in hers !)
It was not "ironic" = • happening in the opposite way to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this
it was crucial to the understanding of the use of cadaver dogs, and his confession included a detailed description of everywhere the body of his wife had been hidden - everywhere in fact that the dogs had indicated it had been. But they don't metion that, for obvious reasons, just as St Katherine of the Immaculate Conceptions didn't.
Both books thoroughly dishonest on this point.

And yes, they are desperate to have the public believe that the dogs got it wrong, because otherwise there is only one coherent explanation.

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Post by Brian Griffin on 25.09.14 18:02

It doesn't matter anyway. It seems the McCanns will never be called out on any of it no matter what. In my opinion.

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Post by comperedna on 25.09.14 18:20

All this 'the dogs got it wrong' or 'dogs are unreliable' annoys me. What the evidence of dog alerts is, is 'indicative evidence'. It tells you where to look more closely. It is not considered valid stand alone evidence in court. It has to be backed up with other evidence eg forensic evidence. Dogs alert where they do. No-one is suggeting Martin Grime is a charlatan, or that he could have forced the dogs to alert in the places that they did. In my own view the chance of the dogs, despite being traipsed around and about other flats etc, alerting only to the places in 5a and thereabouts, and to the one particular car and only that car, happening by chance, must be approaching nil. It does not get us all that much further, but that is where it is at!

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Post by JohnyT on 25.09.14 20:57

If I was a parent of a 'missing' child, I don't think my reaction would be to state about the dogs being unreliable, I would be DEMANDING that the police investigate the signs further (if I was innocent of course, otherwise I'd be saying they're unreliable).
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Post by waiting for justice on 25.09.14 21:53

@missmar1 wrote:According to the news, the police are using dogs in their search for missing Alice Gross - poor girl, I so hope she has just run away from home and will be found safe ....but the use of these dogs seem to indicate the police may be fearing the worst ..... so sad.
I hope you're right missmar. I find it interesting they have not been given a spokes person, haven't set up a "fighting fund", haven't been having meetings with solicitors and such like. 

It's a stark contrast to the TM collaboration 4 weeks after MBM had gone missing. Although Alice's disappearance has been well publicised.

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Post by Okeydokey on 25.09.14 23:58

Does anyone else share my impression that ever since the McCann case the Police go out of their way to play down the role of dogs in investigations?

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Post by joyce1938 on 26.09.14 9:27

The most ordinary reply ,once they were told what dogs had picked up ,you would think right away   OH NO ,IT CANT BE ,AS THAT MEANS ,NOT ONLY HAS SHE GONE ,CRYING LIKE MAD PARENTS I MEAN . but she has been killed also .that would have been the most likely feeling ,to my mind . not denial  ,but utter terror and grief. joyce1938
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