LAST DAY OF LIBEL TRIAL 8th July 2014 DISCUSSION AND NEWS

Popcorn wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

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Kate [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Tells the portuguese libel case son Sean heard about Amaral's allegations on the radio while travelling on the school bus

Catching up and still miles behind so this may have been already discussed (in which case apologies) but why would SMcC be travelling on "the" school bus?  Don't they live in a village?  Was it not publicised years back that M and subsequently the twins were going to a village school?  Would find it surprising if this is true, especially that October last there was a UK radio news broadcast which (openly) stated the Snr Amaral had claimed K had killed M and hidden her in a freezer, particularly as Snr A has not stated that K did that.  If a story needs to be told, under oath in open court it should contain an element of credibility, otherwise it merely insults the intelligence.

Maybe this radio programme was on air to promote the release of Goncalo Amaral's book in the UK? I seem to recall one of the McCanns' witnesses - was it Emma Loach? – telling the court that she'd seen it in the shops.

candyfloss wrote:

sallypelt wrote:

VeraWannabe wrote:Just back in...probably missed loads! Is there a transcript of the court hearing yet? Link anyone please?

VeraWannabe, read Candyfloss's thread on the Update of the Libel Trial.

Yes all here for those in a hurry to read latest, the very last post is the courtroom write up...........


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ultimaThule wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

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Kate [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Tells the portuguese libel case son Sean heard about Amaral's allegations on the radio while travelling on the school bus

Catching up and still miles behind so this may have been already discussed (in which case apologies) but why would SMcC be travelling on "the" school bus?  Don't they live in a village?  Was it not publicised years back that M and subsequently the twins were going to a village school?  Would find it surprising if this is true, especially that October last there was a UK radio news broadcast which (openly) stated the Snr Amaral had claimed K had killed M and hidden her in a freezer, particularly as Snr A has not stated that K did that.  If a story needs to be told, under oath in open court it should contain an element of credibility, otherwise it merely insults the intelligence.

It would seem that the McCanns have eschewed the village CofE primary school to send the twins to the nearest RC equivalent 5 miles away, Monty Heck which, as it appears that their stay at home mother doesn't drive them to and from school, begs the question of whether the school provides a bus for its pupils?  

If so, I'm surprised that its drivers are allowed to play/listen to the radio while ferrying groups of children to and from their homes and, if not, I'm surprised that drivers of public buses are allowed to have the radio on while driving and picking up/dropping off passengers.  

As with all of her words, I would like to see KM's latest claim tested in a court of law in time-honoured fashion and hope that the defence will be making the appropriate requests to the judge.

Thanks Ultima Thule and Truthwillout.  However that still leaves the small issue of the truthfulness of the story re the alleged radio broadcast

It's to be hoped that upon the defence making the appropriate requests, the judge will order the McCanns to provide the date, or approximate thereof, on which Sean asked the question of his mother that she relied on in Court when making her personal statement on oath, together with the details of which bus he was travelling on, so that enquiries can be made of both the driver and the relevant radio station, if any, Monty Heck.  

When using public buses to get around various parts of the Iberian penisula, whether in cities, towns, or country areas, I've noticed that it's not uncommon for drivers to have the radio playing while they ply their trade and it therefore occurs to me that the fact this is uncommon in the UK won't necessarily be known to the court, nor is it likely to be aware of the peculiar lack of reference to the contents of Dr Amaral's book by the UK MSM other than in the most general terms which makes it improbable that the account given by KM earlier today is an accurate one.

waiting for justice wrote:
It may be the council paid for a local firm and contracted it out. Either way, I bet that bus company know who they are and are bricking it. 

Monty Heck wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

candyfloss wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Kay Burley @KayBurley    ·  [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Kate [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Tells the portuguese libel case son Sean heard about Amaral's allegations on the radio while travelling on the school bus

Catching up and still miles behind so this may have been already discussed (in which case apologies) but why would SMcC be travelling on "the" school bus?  Don't they live in a village?  Was it not publicised years back that M and subsequently the twins were going to a village school?  Would find it surprising if this is true, especially that October last there was a UK radio news broadcast which (openly) stated the Snr Amaral had claimed K had killed M and hidden her in a freezer, particularly as Snr A has not stated that K did that.  If a story needs to be told, under oath in open court it should contain an element of credibility, otherwise it merely insults the intelligence.

It would seem that the McCanns have eschewed the village CofE primary school to send the twins to the nearest RC equivalent 5 miles away, Monty Heck which, as it appears that their stay at home mother doesn't drive them to and from school, begs the question of whether the school provides a bus for its pupils?  

If so, I'm surprised that its drivers are allowed to play/listen to the radio while ferrying groups of children to and from their homes and, if not, I'm surprised that drivers of public buses are allowed to have the radio on while driving and picking up/dropping off passengers.  

As with all of her words, I would like to see KM's latest claim tested in a court of law in time-honoured fashion and hope that the defence will be making the appropriate requests to the judge.

Thanks Ultima Thule and Truthwillout.  However that still leaves the small issue of the truthfulness of the story re the alleged radio broadcast

It's to be hoped that upon the defence making the appropriate requests, the judge will order the McCanns to provide the date, or approximate thereof, on which Sean asked the question of his mother that she relied on in Court when making her personal statement on oath, together with the details of which bus he was travelling on, so that enquiries can be made of both the driver and the relevant radio station, if any, Monty Heck.  

When using public buses to get around various parts of the Iberian penisula, whether in cities, towns, or country areas, I've noticed that it's not uncommon for drivers to have the radio playing while they ply their trade and it therefore occurs to me that the fact this is uncommon in the UK won't necessarily be known to the court, nor is it likely to be aware of the peculiar lack of reference to the contents of Dr Amaral's book by the UK MSM other than in the most general terms which makes it improbable that the account given by KM earlier today is an accurate one.

Maybe so UT but perhaps the defence won't attach any great significance to this somewhat threadbare allegation.  If this is the best example of the alleged harm done to the two children perhaps that fact will speak rather loudly for itself, and no further effort or time will be expended on establishing whether there is any truth in it.

nglfi wrote:

Just a thought - perhaps Sean was looking at things he shouldn't have been on the Internet (ie Amaral's book or the McCannfiles website), and when he asked Kate if she'd killed maddie, she insisted on knowing what made him say that. Rather than admit he'd done what he'd been banned from doing, he made up a story about hearing it on the bus? Could be why it doesn't sound that plausible. 

margaret wrote:

waiting for justice wrote:
It may be the council paid for a local firm and contracted it out. Either way, I bet that bus company know who they are and are bricking it. 

Depends if it's true.  The statement came from Kate McCann's mouth remember?

I'd love to know if the bus company does play the radio whilst taking the kids to school, and if it's played loud enough for the kids to hear every word.....

ultimaThule wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

sallypelt wrote:

VeraWannabe wrote:Just back in...probably missed loads! Is there a transcript of the court hearing yet? Link anyone please?

VeraWannabe, read Candyfloss's thread on the Update of the Libel Trial.

Yes all here for those in a hurry to read latest, the very last post is the courtroom write up...........


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IMO this account should come with a warning that it has been selectively compiled and commented on by a writer who is clearly not well disposed to the McCanns (other than their socks, is there any that are?   ) and that it cannot be relied on to be an accurate account of the proceedings although it may be that parts, at least, will tally with the official transcript or with one which has been meticulously produced by Anne Guedes.

It occurs to me that as well having become objects of derision, the McCanns have of late also become figures of fun.  For this parlous state of (their) affairs they should look no further than Clarence Mitchell, who has spun so with such force that the wheels have come off the TM bus and it would be a supreme irony if Sean's bus to school becomes responsible for yet more disastrous coverage of the libel trial for them.

margaret wrote:

waiting for justice wrote:
It may be the council paid for a local firm and contracted it out. Either way, I bet that bus company know who they are and are bricking it. 

Depends if it's true.  The statement came from Kate McCann's mouth remember?

puzzled wrote:Out of interest, has there ever been a libel trial where the plaintiffs have demanded as much as a million pounds? Or where a million pounds have been awarded? Offhand, I can't think of one. 

Changing the subject, it should be possible to establish if there is a school bus from Rothley to the twins' school, shouldn't it?

worriedmum wrote:
Leicester Mercury editor Nick Carter said: "A tiny minority of people seem to want to say nasty, spiteful and defamatory things about the McCann family.
"They are bombarding our site, and we had no choice but to block comment entirely on reports about the family.

Brian Griffin wrote:

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I would love to be able to tell what the heckling in the background is saying whatever they are shouting it has clearly rattled Gerry

Notice how she's keeping her mouth shut this time! I wonder why that is?  

Monty Heck wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

candyfloss wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Kay Burley @KayBurley    ·  [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Kate [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Tells the portuguese libel case son Sean heard about Amaral's allegations on the radio while travelling on the school bus

Catching up and still miles behind so this may have been already discussed (in which case apologies) but why would SMcC be travelling on "the" school bus?  Don't they live in a village?  Was it not publicised years back that M and subsequently the twins were going to a village school?  Would find it surprising if this is true, especially that October last there was a UK radio news broadcast which (openly) stated the Snr Amaral had claimed K had killed M and hidden her in a freezer, particularly as Snr A has not stated that K did that.  If a story needs to be told, under oath in open court it should contain an element of credibility, otherwise it merely insults the intelligence.

It would seem that the McCanns have eschewed the village CofE primary school to send the twins to the nearest RC equivalent 5 miles away, Monty Heck which, as it appears that their stay at home mother doesn't drive them to and from school, begs the question of whether the school provides a bus for its pupils?  

If so, I'm surprised that its drivers are allowed to play/listen to the radio while ferrying groups of children to and from their homes and, if not, I'm surprised that drivers of public buses are allowed to have the radio on while driving and picking up/dropping off passengers.  

As with all of her words, I would like to see KM's latest claim tested in a court of law in time-honoured fashion and hope that the defence will be making the appropriate requests to the judge.

Thanks Ultima Thule and Truthwillout.  However that still leaves the small issue of the truthfulness of the story re the alleged radio broadcast

It's to be hoped that upon the defence making the appropriate requests, the judge will order the McCanns to provide the date, or approximate thereof, on which Sean asked the question of his mother that she relied on in Court when making her personal statement on oath, together with the details of which bus he was travelling on, so that enquiries can be made of both the driver and the relevant radio station, if any, Monty Heck.  

When using public buses to get around various parts of the Iberian penisula, whether in cities, towns, or country areas, I've noticed that it's not uncommon for drivers to have the radio playing while they ply their trade and it therefore occurs to me that the fact this is uncommon in the UK won't necessarily be known to the court, nor is it likely to be aware of the peculiar lack of reference to the contents of Dr Amaral's book by the UK MSM other than in the most general terms which makes it improbable that the account given by KM earlier today is an accurate one.

Maybe so UT but perhaps the defence won't attach any great significance to this somewhat threadbare allegation.  If this is the best example of the alleged harm done to the two children perhaps that fact will speak rather loudly for itself, and no further effort or time will be expended on establishing whether there is any truth in it.

margaret wrote:

waiting for justice wrote:
It may be the council paid for a local firm and contracted it out. Either way, I bet that bus company know who they are and are bricking it. 

Depends if it's true.  The statement came from Kate McCann's mouth remember?

I'd love to know if the bus company does play the radio whilst taking the kids to school, and if it's played loud enough for the kids to hear every word.....

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

puzzled wrote:Out of interest, has there ever been a libel trial where the plaintiffs have demanded as much as a million pounds? Or where a million pounds have been awarded? Offhand, I can't think of one. 

Changing the subject, it should be possible to establish if there is a school bus from Rothley to the twins' school, shouldn't it?

I think this counts as some sort of proof: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

When the schools website is working again I'll check it for more info.

I just think Sean has already started asking tough questions. Kate's story of how it came about is just that IMO.

Mrs Holmes wrote:Some thoughts on today's proceedings

Garry describing Madeleine as 'innocent' - Anyone familiar with NLP? Innocent could be his way of getting that word associated with them

Kate seems to have blown their case, if the children are happy to pass GA's remarks as being 'silly' how can it be argued that they (the twins) have suffered?

Gerry re the dogs, a desperate move that seeks to claw back some control, this suggests to me that they have no idea what OG are doing and are threatened by the presence of the dogs in Portugal.

Aren't they on their own, no supporters either in print or in person, and doesn't it show

The MSM keeps reporting Maddy's death, quite a few examples over the last few days - subliminal messages or subconscious leaking?

The statement re Sean doesn't ring true, it all seems very convenient. I used to go to a private school where they played local radio on the bus, so the explanation on the surface seems plausible, but has no evidentiary value, as others have rightly pointed out it's hearsay and is deliberately flimsy so as to disguise the fact that it cannot be proved not disproved without a great deal of work (almost sounds like an MO doesn't it) . IMO this is an 'I told you so' manoeuvre

Truthandjustice wrote:The cadaver dog alerting in 5a is damning and there is nothing GM can do to erase it. He clearly realises this. Amaral requested this trial be held in private, which would clearly have benefitted the remaining children, wonder why K and G did not jump at the chance?