Re: Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

by della70 23.05.14 13:50

According to The Sun is days away .http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5644494/Maddie-arrests-days-away-in-huge-cop-search-in-Portugal.html

by **Tony Bennett** 23.05.14 13:54

Bishop Brennan wrote:
Tangled Web wrote:
If SY are pretending to ignore the dogs then how will they explain why they think "Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive" (or words to that effect from AR) and what was the indication that she may be dead, resulting in the digs for a body?

They've never been challenged on why they made that (very under-reported) quote. But I can imagine AR deadpanning that "it is just one possibility - that she may or may not have left the apartment alive. We are ruling nothing out and nothing in". You know, the usual cr@p that he spouts.

As for the digs - again, nobody has asked the question, and again you can imagine the stone-wall reply: "This is a standard part of our investigation so that we can rule out certain possibilities that were not fully checked at the time of the original enquiry".

OWN UP.

Are you DCI Redwood's script-writer?

Were you behind:

'drawing everything back to zero'

'may be alive or, sadly, dead'

'revelation moment', and

'may not follow with all our thinking'?

by jeanmonroe 23.05.14 13:54

ChippyM wrote:
Tangled Web wrote:
........ I completely understand the scepticism in light of the level of corruption we have seen and I'm not 100% on the 'non-whitewash' side myself. However, if this IS supposed to be a whitewash, I think that SY are making a total hash of it!!! All they seem to be doing is turning the public against the McCann's (people resent the amount of resources, money etc. being spent on this one child), showing E-fits that look like GM and the countless, ridiculous news articles (allowing comments) are directing the general public to the PJ files!!!

I suppose we just have to sit tight but I'm starting to get a numb bottom

It's been 2 weeks now since the helicopter ride. If we take it as legitimate and not just for show, what kind and scale of operation must they be preparing? The latest announcement means it must begin soon anyway.

Meanwhile the 'unharmed and alive' Madeleine sits twiddling her thumbs in her hellish lair 10km's from PDL.

Where she's been for over 7 years, while her parents 'do the rounds' of the TV studios in the UK!

by ultimaThule 23.05.14 13:58

jeanmonroe wrote:Surely if they totally dismiss the dogs findings in this case i don't see how sy can use them in future cases.
They can't pick and choose when they believe the dogs.
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Well, they certainly IGNORED the dog 'alerts' early on in the Tia Sharp case, didn't they?

Took them DAYS before the second dog 'alert' and surprise, surprise, they found wee Tia!

And this was the most disgusting thing, a policewoman said SHE had gone into the house, DAYS later, and 'smelt' something 'odd' and went into loft.

And 'claimed' the credit for 'finding' Tia!

If the Met had had to pay to bring in EVRD dogs of the calibre of Eddie & Keela I very much doubt they would have ignored their alerts, jeanmonroe, but instead a selection of their ~~lardarse~~ finest, who were unwilling to climb into the loft ~~in case they got wedged in the hatch~~ for fear of it being unsafe, sat eating and drinking with Tia's killer for more than a week while the Met's police dogs barked at the ceiling and officer in charge Commander Neil Bashu grandstanded to the assembled MSM outside the house.

With reference to your statement "And this was the most disgusting thing, a policewoman said SHE had gone into the house, DAYS later, and 'smelt' something 'odd' and went into loft" ftr, nine days after Tia had been reported missing, a police officer 'detected' (I use the word lightly) an unpleasant odour in the house which had been remarked on the day before and Met police dogs were brought in again before the loft was searched.

The Tia Sharp case beggars belief. What were the hordes of uniforms, plainclothes, and family liaison officers who parked their bums on her grandmother's sofa while Tia's body lay above their heads saying to the dogs that barked at the ceiling? "Down, boy/girl, here, have a biscuit... ta very much Mr Hazell, I'll have another cuppa and have you got another can of air freshener handy"?

The manner in which the disappearance of this poor child was investigated is an absolute disgrace; back in 1975 the DSI who was responsible for investigating the kidnapping of 17 year old Lesley Whittle found himself demoted to beat bobby and imo Basu, together with his equally incompetent subordinates, should be directing traffic under the strict supervision of an experienced officer who's up to the task.

Fallen arches are known to be an occupational hazard for police officers and it seems to me that the standard of policing throughout the UK has fallen lower than their feet.

by ChippyM 23.05.14 14:01

jeanmonroe wrote:
ChippyM wrote:
........ wrote:t's been 2 weeks now since the helicopter ride. If we take it as legitimate and not just for show, what kind and scale of operation must they be preparing? The latest announcement means it must begin soon anyway.

Meanwhile the 'unharmed and alive' Madeleine sits twiddling her thumbs in her hellish lair 10km's from PDL.

Where she's been for over 7 years, while her parents 'do the rounds' of the TV studios in the UK!

Well they did (allegedley) have a creepy little Birthday party in her absence, so that's something.

by jeanmonroe 23.05.14 14:15

ChippyM wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
ChippyM wrote:
........ wrote:t's been 2 weeks now since the helicopter ride. If we take it as legitimate and not just for show, what kind and scale of operation must they be preparing? The latest announcement means it must begin soon anyway.

Meanwhile the 'unharmed and alive' Madeleine sits twiddling her thumbs in her hellish lair 10km's from PDL.

Where she's been for over 7 years, while her parents 'do the rounds' of the TV studios in the UK!

Well they did (allegedley) have a creepy little Birthday party in her absence, so that's something.

Perhaps Theresa May drew the line, at supplying unlimited UK taxpayers money, on the basis of cost cutting, at paying for the fuel to let the helicoptor observe the lawless villages and lairs with a 10Km 'radius' of PDL.

by Riddlemeree 23.05.14 14:20

Yes - Gerry'a behaviour .... A journalist covering the story in the early days says he said to her: "I suppose covering this is good for your career ... " he also discussed spa /beauty treatments with her and when she next covered the story he asked whether she had had a treatment. This was in the very early days and weeks when Madeleine had only just disappeared. She found this odd.

by jeanmonroe 23.05.14 14:26

Riddlemeree wrote:Yes - Gerry'a behaviour .... A journalist covering the story in the early days says he said to her: "I suppose covering this is good for your career ... " he also discussed spa /beauty treatments with her and when she next covered the story he asked whether she had had a treatment. This was in the very early days and weeks when Madeleine had only just disappeared. She found this odd.

Well, one has gotta look good 'jogging' around PDL, dontcha, in case a pesky 'pap' spots ya, innit?

by ultimaThule 23.05.14 14:38

jeanmonroe wrote:
ChippyM wrote:
Tangled Web wrote:
........ I completely understand the scepticism in light of the level of corruption we have seen and I'm not 100% on the 'non-whitewash' side myself. However, if this IS supposed to be a whitewash, I think that SY are making a total hash of it!!! All they seem to be doing is turning the public against the McCann's (people resent the amount of resources, money etc. being spent on this one child), showing E-fits that look like GM and the countless, ridiculous news articles (allowing comments) are directing the general public to the PJ files!!!

I suppose we just have to sit tight but I'm starting to get a numb bottom

It's been 2 weeks now since the helicopter ride. If we take it as legitimate and not just for show, what kind and scale of operation must they be preparing? The latest announcement means it must begin soon anyway.

Meanwhile the 'unharmed and alive' Madeleine sits twiddling her thumbs in her hellish lair 10km's from PDL.

Where she's been for over 7 years, while her parents 'do the rounds' of the TV studios in the UK!

7 years of 'twiddling her thumbs and giving her paedophile abductor her tuppence worth, jm?

< counts on fingers > If they leave it much longer to spring Madeleine from her hellish lair, the McCanns may find they've become grandparents. . Maybe that's what they're waiting for?

by ultimaThule 23.05.14 14:49

Tony Bennett wrote:
ultimaThule wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
canada12 wrote:And always bearing in mind that there has to be a reasonable expectation of having enough proof to bring the case to court. If there isn't enough evidence to result in a reasonable expectation of a conviction, then there isn't likely to be a court case. This is what the digging is about, and the investigating. It's about finding evidence that will stand up in court.
But which could only ever be a Portuguese court

As you have previously posted on the subject, you are aware that the UK can exercise jurisdiction with regard to a number of serious crimes committed abroad by its citizens, TB. Should any British nationals be brought to account for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, they may find themselves being tried in the UK courts..
True, but a very limited number of offences, and only those triable in this country before 3 May 2007

As it won't have escaped your attention that homicide detectives have been deployed on this case, one of the possible crimes under investigation is murder which when committed by British nationals abroad has been triable in the UK since 1861.

by russiandoll 23.05.14 15:24

quote Tony B re cadaverine : " Bishop Brennan has dealt with this point admirably, in his 'don't mention the dogs' point. "

You then went on to mention 45 OR 90 minutes or whatever in a very dismissive way...which is it? If the longer time, then there was not enough time for cadaverine to have developed prior to Maddie being removed from 5a.

by Woofer 23.05.14 15:36

@UltimaThule - "7 years of 'twiddling her thumbs and giving her paedophile abductor her tuppence worth?"

Tuppence - for those that don`t know :-

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by ShuBob 23.05.14 15:58

Woofer wrote:@UltimaThule - "7 years of 'twiddling her thumbs and giving her paedophile abductor her tuppence worth?"

Tuppence - for those that don`t know :-

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I didn't know about THAT meaning Shocked

Surely Kate didn't know as well! Or maybe she chose that word on purpose.

Sick, sick, sick!

by ChippyM 23.05.14 16:03

della70 wrote:According to The Sun is days away .http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5644494/Maddie-arrests-days-away-in-huge-cop-search-in-Portugal.html

I wonder who their source is for that as they state 'arrests days away'. So are they digging or arresting...or both?!

I'm 99.9% sure it's proberbly rubbish though.

by plebgate 23.05.14 16:06

"Arrests days away" (groan) haven't we heard that before, months ago now. I do wish these anonymous sources would shutup

by tiny 23.05.14 16:12

Woofer wrote:@UltimaThule - "7 years of 'twiddling her thumbs and giving her paedophile abductor her tuppence worth?"

Tuppence - for those that don`t know :-

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that's a new one on me too,i just hope kate didn't know what it meant,but seeing as the mccanns reckon Madeleine is with a paedo makes me wonder.
and yes it sick

by tasprin 23.05.14 16:24

ShuBob wrote:
Woofer wrote:@UltimaThule - "7 years of 'twiddling her thumbs and giving her paedophile abductor her tuppence worth?"

Tuppence - for those that don`t know :-

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I didn't know about THAT meaning

Surely Kate didn't know as well! Or maybe she chose that word on purpose.

Sick, sick, sick!

No, I've never heard of that before and, whatever I think of this case, I don't believe that's what she meant.. Giving one's tuppence-worth is a well known old-fashioned saying for voicing one's opinion and I think that's exactly what she meant. However, the idea of a 3YO telling-off a violent perverted stranger, and giving him a piece of her mind, is downright ludicrous. Under those circumstances, the poor little girl would have been crying for her mummy, utterly distraught and quaking with fear.

by tiny 23.05.14 16:50

on parentdish

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] detectives expect to make arrests 'within days', according to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] newspaper.

It says a major police operation in the Portuguese resort where the then three-year-old disappeared 'will start within days'.

At least four sites where will be searched with ground-penetrating radar.

"Arrests and interviews of suspects are also expected in Praia da Luz over the next few weeks," the newspaper reports.

Officers from the Met's Operation Grange will work with colleagues from Portugal's Policia Judiciaria.

The planned searches will be based on mobile phone data, intelligence and evidence from witnesses.

They will take place near the beach and around the Ocean Club complex where Madeleine vanished aged three in May 2007.

If the radar finds signs of soil disturbance, full excavations will be carried out.

The Met inquiry began in 2011 after a plea from Madeleine's parents [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to PM David Cameron.

Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said in Portugal yesterday: "We may go through every line of inquiry and all draw a blank.

If only

by **PeterMac** 23.05.14 16:57

[quote="ChippyM"]

della70 wrote:So are they digging or arresting...or both?!
I'm 99.9% sure it's probably rubbish though.

They are going to dig him up, and THEN arrest him
That is why they had to have a dead suspect.

Precedent for this is Oliver Cromwell, of course, whose body was dug up, symbolically "hanged" at Tyburn, beheaded, and his head put on a spike above Westminster Hall.

by Lance De Boils 23.05.14 17:02

Well, if the Yard end up saying that they cannot find the answers and the case gets shelved once again, I will very much be looking forward to reading the next volumes of the PJ files. I'm sure they'll be equally as interesting as the first lot - more so perhaps.

I don't believe that it will be allowed to come to that. A solution to the case will be found, one way or another. Too risky for SY/government this time for MORE files to be released by the Portuguese.

by Ayniia 23.05.14 17:07

Garrincha wrote:Rowley is quoted as saying: If you get any information ahead of our actions do not publish anything that may give suspects advance notice.

I wonder, I wonder, who is he really referring to?

I don't know but judging by this: digs to take place in June +arrests expected, I'd say no one listened.
So whoever you are abductor /eggman /yeti /alien, you're warned.
Seriously... this is getting... pathetic.

by roy rovers 23.05.14 18:07

[quote="PeterMac"]

ChippyM wrote:
della70 wrote:So are they digging or arresting...or both?!
I'm 99.9% sure it's probably rubbish though.

They are going to dig him up, and THEN arrest him
That is why they had to have a dead suspect.

Precedent for this is Oliver Cromwell, of course, whose body was dug up, symbolically "hanged" at Tyburn, beheaded, and his head put on a spike above Westminster Hall.

Cromwell's head was then blown down from the spike at the top of Westminster Hall in a gale towards the end of the reign of James II. It fell at the feet of one of the sentinels who took it home under his cloak....competition time - what happened next and where is it now?

by lj 23.05.14 18:23

Cristobell wrote:If a whitewash were underway, wouldn't the McCanns have to know about it? Given the frequency of their TV appearances and interviews, they could at any moment drop themselves and SY in it.

From the look of their troubled faces, I don't think they know any more about what is going on in the investigation than we do. Imo, if they were kept fully updated they would not have had to ask for the dig to be postponed so they could celebrate Madeleine's birthday.

The whitewash is not for the benefit of the McCanns. They might slowly get that picture.

by lj 23.05.14 18:36

stillsloppingout wrote:
utahagen wrote:Cristobell wrote: "If a whitewash were underway, wouldn't the McCanns have to know about it?...From the look of their troubled faces, I don't think they know any more about what is going on in the investigation than we do."

I'll concede that I very much would like SY and Portugal eventually to say publicly that the McCanns are lying, even if neither party can proscute them for some legal or practical reason; and that that hope of mine may bias me towards arguing against a whitewash. However, I'll ask again, if there's a whitewash going on and the McCanns are soon to be completely in the clear, why do they now seem more frightened than they did in even the days after Madeleine disappeared?
They did not look frightened during the fun run etc. It could well be that they are NOT being kept in the loop ,but when you have SY calling them today by there Christian names , then it does not seem to point that way .

If they have troubled faces, it will be the weight of waking up every morning with the guilt of what has happened to there daughter , and the implications of what fate awaits if they are ever convicted .

It takes very special people to continue to carry on with the act in the spotlight of an ever more savvy public .

The fact that they are out at all, tells me they are being kept up to speed with the case every step of the way .

Yes they have very well learned when to look tormented. Kate even does adjust her clothing and earrings for that.

I agree that calling them by their first names gives a good indication.

Now I'll sit back and wait for the "brilliant game of the SY" comments.

I hope in due course I will be allowed a "told you so, told you, told you, told you so!"

by lj 23.05.14 18:38

utahagen wrote:Stillsloppingout wrote: "...but when you have SY calling [the McCanns] by their Christian names today by there Christian names..."

Using their Christian names, as opposed to "Mr and Mrs McCann", either was just an example of decline in decorum in Europe and (even more so) in the USA, or it was a cheeky way of taunting the McCanns. I don't take referring to them as "Kate and Gerry" as an indicator that any fix is in.

Oh but you think it is a cheeky way of taunting the McCanns.

Yeah, right.

by SixMillionQuid 23.05.14 18:53

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:
When Mr Redwood said to the public the T9 are of no interest do you believe he was telling the truth? If you believe he was telling a lie then he's openly lied to the public.

You mean like the way the PJ did in late August 2007?

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Earlier, Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa publicly declared that Kate and Gerry McCann, and their friends who were on holiday with them, were not suspects.

He told the BBC the parents were "victims" who had lost their child and also witnesses in the case.

So, PJ declaring the whole Tapas 9 not suspects.

Also calling the McCanns victims in much the same way as Scotland Yard have.

At this time the cadaver dog searches had already detected cadaverine in 5A, in the hire car, and on Kate McCanns trousers.

Does this it make to clear to you - and everyone else who uses this line - that police forces don't declare their suspects up front?

The above is indisputable fact and on the record.

I didn't realise CInps Olegario was the lead investigator in that case - you learn something new everyday. Sounds like he new what was going on right under nose...and then resigned.

by cass7 23.05.14 19:03

i remember reading a long time ago that there was phases to go through regarding portugals laws etc a good poster think on the 3as went through this , because im thinking with the change of wording in the press from abduction to missing , to maybe died in the appartment , does anyone think its the end ? also what are the tapas classed as witnesses , because they have interviewed so many wonder if any have been reinterviewed already

by Justformaddie 23.05.14 19:32

So, in early June the pj will be searching for traces of maddies body!

by Riddlemeree 23.05.14 19:51

Question: what sort of suspect can you warn you are coming for them. Answer: one who can't run away .... The people the police are after cannot run ... Now why ?

by whatliesbehindthesofa 23.05.14 20:32

Riddlemeree wrote:Question: what sort of suspect can you warn you are coming for them. Answer: one who can't run away .... The people the police are after cannot run ... Now why ?

It's also impossible to warn a dead suspect.