Re: Goncalo Amaral "Political Courage"

by Woofer 21.03.14 3:19

Wonderful - thank you Châtelaine roses

by canada12 21.03.14 3:24

Châtelaine wrote:
Q: Was Maddie McCann abducted or is she dead?

“Maddie McCann disappeared and since that time she is – she died. She died that night. Those are the conclusions that are reached in the process itself: In September of 2007, the Polícia Judiciária concludes – and this is a conclusion within an investigation that was not over yet but has a principle there – it’s a sequence of indications that are collected which reaches the conclusion that it is very likely that she died. She died that night. The circumstances of the death are still to be determined. What mechanism – what happened for that death to take place is yet to be discovered.”

“And if the parents nowadays make us believe that their daughter is alive, or have to gamble on her being alive, they forget that right after the investigation it was them that were the first to signal death. They were the first to say that their daughter – that it was necessary for a coronel from the South African army to come with a miracle machine to find the body. So it’s the parents that invite him to come to Portugal, to find a body.”

“Later, years later they say that she is still alive. And now the Scotland Yard, apparently already with their agreement, or their tacit agreement, says that the child is dead. That is the obvious. What usually happens in this kind of situation – for years they have mentioned other cases – if a certain child disappears and reappears after several years, alive and even with children, with the abductor, then Madeleine may also probably be alive. But they forget a small detail. Actually, they don’t forget it, they just don’t enlighten us, because these people have all of the information, they have staff that works with the entire information, which is also a bit strange, but they forget a detail: all of those children that have reappeared, whether in Austria or in the United States, they weren’t three or four years old when they disappeared. They were all close to the age of 10. All of them were girls and close to the age of 9, 10. None of them disappeared aged 3 or 4.”

Q: If it turns out that Madeleine McCann was in fact dead, do you want to be compensated?

“Well, if I use the McCann couple’s strategy, it has already been recognized. The Scotland Yard has already said that she is dead.”

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Thanks Chatelaine.

I've bolded a couple of relevant statements. This interview was done when? On Tuesday March 18?

Has it been mentioned by SY before that they think Madeleine is dead?

Or has it only been mentioned in the recent Guardian article?

When was that published?

If I'm wrong, please correct me... but didn't the Guardian article come AFTER Mr. Amaral's statements above?

Where is his information coming from that SY have concluded that Madeleine is dead?

by Guest 21.03.14 3:57

It looks like the interview is of March 14, almost a week ago ...
Dr. Amaral has knowledge, a lot of it IMO

ETA have a look at the video. Even if you don't understand Portuguese [I don't, but I can read it ... whatever happened between the written and the spoken word there in PT ...?] you will, like me, be able to read his facial and physical expressiveness and understand, that this is a genuine and honest man talking. Well, I do. And one, who is confident with whatever he says [as contraire to some other ones, we know, who have very shallow " physical expressiveness" ...]

by Woofer 21.03.14 4:25

Châtelaine wrote:It looks like the interview is of March 14, almost a week ago ...
Dr. Amaral has knowledge, a lot of it IMO

ETA have a look at the video. Even if you don't understand Portuguese [I don't, but I can read it ... whatever happened between the written and the spoken word there in PT ...?] you will, like me, be able to read his facial and physical expressiveness and understand, that this is a genuine and honest man talking. Well, I do. And one, who is confident with whatever he says [as contraire to some other ones, we know, who have very shallow " physical expressiveness" ...]

I agree wholeheartedly. And I`m so pleased to see he`s looking healthier and happy.

by russiandoll 21.03.14 7:21

quote Canada 12 " Where is his information coming from that SY have concluded that Madeleine is dead? "

I have only read that SY believe it possible that a live Maddie did not leave 5a.
They also have doubts re abduction

both in the Guardian newspaper.
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by Cristobell 21.03.14 21:39

russiandoll wrote:quote Canada 12 " Where is his information coming from that SY have concluded that Madeleine is dead? "

I have only read that SY believe it possible that a live Maddie did not leave 5a.
They also have doubts re abduction

both in the Guardian newspaper.
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I think they have been investigating death in the apartment from the beginning and have mentioned it now because they have reached the end of the line with swarthy and smelly suspects. Every abduction avenue has been explored, there aren't any left. The McCanns have probably pressed for smellyman to be investigated because they are desperate for the death in the apartment to be attributed to someone other than themselves. The pros are even going along with the line that smellyman took the body with him - looks like the evidence of the dogs is back with a vengeance.

by Guest 21.03.14 21:54

Cristobell wrote:
I think they have been investigating death in the apartment from the beginning and have mentioned it now because they have reached the end of the line with swarthy and smelly suspects. Every abduction avenue has been explored, there aren't any left. The McCanns have probably pressed for smellyman to be investigated because they are desperate for the death in the apartment to be attributed to someone other than themselves. The pros are even going along with the line that smellyman took the body with him - looks like the evidence of the dogs is back with a vengeance.

If the smells of garbage and cadaverine are indeed interchangeable, maybe Mr Stink climbed into the window via the flower bed, hid behind the sofa, hid in the wardrobe, fondled cuddle cat....

by Guest 21.03.14 21:56

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Cristobell wrote:
I think they have been investigating death in the apartment from the beginning and have mentioned it now because they have reached the end of the line with swarthy and smelly suspects. Every abduction avenue has been explored, there aren't any left. The McCanns have probably pressed for smellyman to be investigated because they are desperate for the death in the apartment to be attributed to someone other than themselves. The pros are even going along with the line that smellyman took the body with him - looks like the evidence of the dogs is back with a vengeance.

If the smells of garbage and cadaverine are indeed interchangeable, maybe Mr Stink climbed into the window via the flower bed, hid behind the sofa, hid in the wardrobe, fondled cuddle cat....

Maybe he likes cross-dresing too and tried on some of KMs clothes while he a spare 5 minutes

by Guest 21.03.14 21:58

dantezebu wrote:

Maybe he likes cross-dresing too and tried on some of KMs clothes while he a spare 5 minutes

That's the spirit! We'll have the case solved in no time.

by Sceptic 21.03.14 22:03

David Cameron just been on sky news regarding Crimea

Was asked question re Madeleine Mccann case - Says he has not been asked by The Met to approach Portugal but will if they think it will help - He says he believes The Met are making progress

by AndyB 21.03.14 22:10

Cristobell wrote:The pros are even going along with the line that smellyman took the body with him - looks like the evidence of the dogs is back with a vengeance.

So they now accept that she died in the apartment? That's quite a turnaround.

by Tangled Web 21.03.14 22:18

With reference to the interview with GA, it appears that the Portugese police were reasonably happy to shelve this case with no ending/conclusion. Whether this was down to political interference or not, does anybody what has changed (if anything has) to make them want to resolve this case?

Tangled Web.

by notlongnow 21.03.14 22:25

dantezebu wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Cristobell wrote:
I think they have been investigating death in the apartment from the beginning and have mentioned it now because they have reached the end of the line with swarthy and smelly suspects. Every abduction avenue has been explored, there aren't any left. The McCanns have probably pressed for smellyman to be investigated because they are desperate for the death in the apartment to be attributed to someone other than themselves. The pros are even going along with the line that smellyman took the body with him - looks like the evidence of the dogs is back with a vengeance.

If the smells of garbage and cadaverine are indeed interchangeable, maybe Mr Stink climbed into the window via the flower bed, hid behind the sofa, hid in the wardrobe, fondled cuddle cat....

Maybe he likes cross-dresing too and tried on some of KMs clothes while he a spare 5 minutes

by NickE 22.03.14 4:00

Posted by portugalpress on March 21, 2014
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As news of the Met’s latest Madeleine theories sweeps the world, here in Portugal some very different revelations - equally chilling in their content - received almost zero publicity.
An interview with ‘infamous’ Madeleine cop, Gonçalo Amaral, described how vital leads in the case appear to have been deliberately dropped.
Far from expounding on the possibility of a sexual predator stalking the bedrooms of young white girls on holiday from England, Amaral talked of high-level political involvement which left DNA samples untested and key witnesses overlooked.
It could have been dismissed as another conspiracy-theorists’ stunt apart from the fact that the programme was presented by well-known news anchor Júlio Magalhães - former director of information at TVI and current director-general of Porto Canal - with questions fielded by respected political thinker and one-time PSD leader and mayor, Luís Filipe Menezes.

Menezes opened the interview saying that after almost seven years of media frenzy, perhaps it was time to ask whether the PJ was qualified to investigate a crime of this complexity. “Doubts arise as to whether our police, our State, is protected against national and international political influences that interfere in the day-to-day professional thinking of police and other criminal investigators,” he said.
His invitation to Gonçalo Amaral - awaiting the result of a trial for defamation brought by Kate and Gerry McCann, who allege his theories that Madeleine is dead hampered the search for their daughter - was a chance to see whether the former investigator was “a Portuguese version of Dirty Harry, or a politically-correct policeman”.

Amaral’s answers came thick and fast. The day he left the Madeleine investigation was “the day Gordon Brown (then British prime minister) spoke with José Socrátes (then Portuguese prime minister).”
At the time, Amaral told Menezes, Portuguese police were keen to interview the Irish family who had identified Gerry McCann as the man they thought they had seen carrying a child down towards the beach on the night Madeleine went missing.
This plan was quickly scuppered. Amaral’s substitute on the case “was told that it was not relevant to bring the Irish (family) to Portugal,” he told Menezes. “And that was that. The Irish family was never heard.”

As to DNA evidence that was discovered in the McCanns’ rental car, Amaral was adamant that this could have been more thoroughly tested. While initial findings on blood were deemed inconclusive, Amaral explains hair samples were simply not followed up as British lab technicians claimed it was impossible to test hair samples without roots.
“It is possible, and even at the time it was possible!” Amaral insisted.
“These hair samples are in Portugal! They were returned in Portugal and they are in the files. It’s simple! All the public ministry has to do is take the hairs and send them to a European laboratory, or anywhere where these kinds of exams are done without roots.”
Menezes, who had described himself at the outset as “never neutral in these matters” but seeking to be impartial, quizzed Amaral on one of the myriad “strange twists” in the early stages of the case.

Referring to the hiring of Clarence Mitchell as the McCanns’ press 'face', he said: “How is it comprehensible that the spokesman for the English Prime Minister had left, in 24 hours, Tony Blair to be the McCann family’s spokesman? Isn’t that strange?”
“Of course,” replies Amaral. “It is another mystery within the mystery, and maybe if we can understand this little mystery we will be able to understand what lies behind, not the disappearance, not the death of the child, but what lies behind the protection… Why the protection…”
Full of questions and inconvenient allegations, it was an interview that aimed to illustrated the depth and scope of the “complexities” Luís Filipe Menezes had suggested might just be too much for the PJ - or indeed any police force.
“Only when there is the political will on both sides” will the case be resolved, said Amaral, concluding, “when investigations are politically correct, they lead nowhere.”
Meantime in UK, Operation Grange has revealed that it is currently receiving hundreds of calls in response to the latest announcement that a bare-chested sexual predator abused five little white girls - all older than Madeleine – while they were sleeping in their beds in holiday homes along the Algarve between 2004 and 2006.
The Met described 12 separate crimes leading up to 2010, only four of them involving the sexual abuse of girls aged 7-10.
Whether the other eight crimes involved another type of sexual abuse has not been divulged.
According to Correio da Manhã newspaper, it was the evidence of this predator that led Portuguese investigators to ask the public ministry to reopen the Madeleine case in October last year.

Characteristically tight-lipped about the course of their investigations, the PJ nonetheless have been known to feed information to the Portuguese and foreign press.
On Wednesday (March 19), a spokesman agreed with the Met’s Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood that the new suspect is considered to be a key to resolving the long-running mystery, just over a month away from reaching its seventh anniversary.
By NATASHA DONN
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by Cristobell 22.03.14 5:57

Thank you for posting NickE. The last paragraph is curious, the PJ re-opened the case on the strength of the night prowler stories?

What I struggle to understand, is how an area came have a serial child molester on the loose for several years without any reports in the press, not even from outraged victims following the 'abduction' of Madeleine McCann. There was a £2.6m reward on offer! Not to mention, the tabloids who were desperate for anything Madeleine related.

I'm not buying it as the divine Wendy would say, even if the Portuguese covered it up, which is implied, the British victims would have have been among the first people to respond to all the hundreds (or is it thousands) of appeals there have been over the past 7 years. The idea is ludicrous. In retrospect, I think the PJ have said they too are investigating smelly man, simply to avoid accusations that they ignored him.

Digressing slightly, I really do hate to compare this case to genuine ones, because I do not wish to disrespect them or add to their grief, but try to imagine for a moment, the same resources applied to the case of the missing Ben Needham. That is, two police forces, Greek and British in these difficult financial times, devoting such huge resources to the case of one missing child. No disrespect to Kerry, my heart goes out to her.

When you look at what is going on now with regard to missing Madeleine, both Operation Grange and the corresponding investigation of the PJ, seem completely out of proportion for what is, essentially, a cold case. And it was a One Off, no other child has been abducted in similar circumstances. If a serial offender was involved, he is dead now, it isn't 37 homicide detectives vital to track him down, he is no longer offending.

Perhaps there is some truth in the statements that come out of Scotland Yard and there really are 32 or is it 38 suspects, that would account for the size of Operation Grange and the time it is taking.

by hustling0109 24.06.14 8:23

My theory the pj opened the case again isnt cos of maddie its because the pj will/can use the recourses of sy to solve the sex predator stalking the algarve. This way they look like there doing their bit and sy to the general public and along the way they just happen to solve some sex crimes, there not doing this for maddie just using that pretext to look useful.

by Justformaddie 28.06.14 0:23

I would think there would have to be a reason directly linked to the maddie case for the reopening, also hope that OG has given them that unknowingly. Strange how these apparent sex attacks has came to light years after happening and it took OG to find that out. IMO