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Permanent, temporary and occasional residents of Praia da Luz, including visitors – What we know
Permanent, temporary and occasional residents of Praia da Luz, including visitors – What we know
This is a list of what we know so far about some of the permanent, temporary and occasional residents of Praia da Luz, especially what might be termed the ‘ex-pat’ community. It is in alphabetical order of surname. Members can add to it and it will be updated from time to time. Important figures of interest who live nearby can also be added.
BRUNT, Martin
Has a ‘house’ in Praia da Luz [see his telephone calls to Robert Murat on 15 May 2007, reproduced below]
CORNER, Jon
Claimed to be a ‘frequent visitor’ to Praia da Luz, said Madeleine had that ‘special quality’, stayed with the McCanns for a few days in August 2007, later released a short video which featured the highly controversial ‘Make-Up Photo’; his daughter Chloe and crèche nanny Catriona Baker had been Facebook friends back in 2006
(EVELEIGH, Ralph
(EVELEIGH, Sally
Uncle and aunt of Robert Murat’ Hosted a top-level meeting on 13 November 2007 between the McCann Team (represented by Cheshire businessman Brian Kennedy and top lawyer and senior Freemason Edward Smethurst in his capacity as the McCanns’ co-ordinating lawyer) and the Murat Team (represented by top Portuguese lawyer Francisco Pagarete)
FENN, Ian
Occasionally visited Praia da Luz while his mother was alive
FENN, Pamela
Lived above the McCanns’ apartment, claimed she heard Madeleine crying between 10.30pm and 11.45pm on Tuesday 1 May. Was a member of the local Residents Committee together with Jenny Murat
FREUD, Sir Clement
Serial paedophile who had a villa close to the Murat’s house, Casa Liliana, and twice invited the McCanns to his villa for eats and drinks and carried on a long email correspondence between them
(HUBBARD Father Haynes
(HUBBARD Susan
Jetted in from Canada on 6 May 2007 and immediately became close friends with the McCanns
LOURENCO, Nuno Manuel Jesus de
Born in Portugal, said to have moved to Germany, claimed to be visiting his dear old Mum in Sagres from 22 April to 13 May 2007, created a fabricated account of his child nearly being kidnapped at Sagres on 29 April, said now to be living back in Portugal
(MURAT, Jenny
(MURAT, Robert
Lived in Praia da Luz for decades, the first official suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine. Credible claims made about his sexual interests and having child sexual abuse images on his computer; could not explain why he had encrypted material on his computer, lied to police about what he was really doing between 1 and 4 May when he was suddenly called back from England
MALINKA, Sergei
Associate of Robert Murat, said to have wiped his computer before the police got to it, now a property developer in the area, had his car torched three times, once with the word ‘FALA’ (‘Talk’) daubed on the pavement next to it
PACHECO, Father
Roman Catholic priest who spoke to the McCanns and said he would ‘take the McCanns’ secrets to my grave’ (almost the same words used by Arthur Cowley a few years later). Disappeared for two weeks or more when the papers were full of news about the disappearance of Madeline; he was said to be ‘in turmoil’ because of his involvement in the Madeleine McCann case
PAGARETE, Francisco
Lawyer whom Murat rushed to see on Wednesday 2 May 2007 after his sudden flight back to Portugal. Murat is vague about what they discussed
SILVA, Jorge
Praia da Luz businessman with whom Murat spent many hours on Wednesday 2 May and Thursday 3 May 2007, allegedly discussing the formation of ‘Romigen’
SMETHURST, Edward
Has been the co-ordinating lawyer for the McCanns since the beginning and been a Director of the Find madeleine Fund since 2009; has been holidaying in Praia da Luz with one of other of his three families since 1999
SMITH, Martin and family
Shares an apartment in the Estrela da Luz complex with another family, stays there at least three times a year, says he and his family saw a man carrying a child dressed only in pyjamas at 10pm on 3 May - said by his son to have ‘met Robert Murat several times over a period of two years’
ALSO
‘Elca Craig’ / ‘ShiningInLuz’, ex-forum member who has lived in Praia da Luz, says Madeleine was abducted
‘TaninaR’, forum member who says she once lived in Praia da Luz
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
THE MARTIN BRUNT PHONE CALLS TO ROBERT MURAT, 15 May 2007
[copied and pasted from pamalam's mccannpjfiles with continuing acknowledgement to her for her wonderful preservation of so much valuable material]
-------------------------
FIRST CALL
Call date: 15.05.2007
Call made on 15-05-2007, 12.57pm to 1.04pm
Transcribed on 27th May at Portimao PJ station.
(NB: The Transcript is only available in PT in the files)
Conversation in English.
JM - Jennifer Murat
MB - Martin Brunt
RM - Robert Murat
Transcription:
JM: Hello. Residence of Jenny Murat.
MB: Hello, Martin Brunt speaking.
JM: Hi dear.
MB: Hi, is everything all-right?
JM: Yes, Robert is a little depressed now.
MB: I’m sure he is..
JM: It was not very nice of Sky News to refer to him as arguido, don't you think?
MB: Hmmm, I didn’t see that. I was up at our house. What are they saying with regard to that?
JM: Robert Murat has been made an arguido in the case of Madeleine McCann.
MB: What does the term arguido mean in Portuguese?
JM: What does arguido mean, Robert?
RM: Suspect.
JM: Suspect.
MB: OK, well, I'm not completely familiar with legal Portuguese terms. I think that someone said.....that the police said they were treating Robert as an arguido.
JM: Robert, as an arguido?
MB: What I mean is, what is that...
JM: I'm going to pass you to Robert. Don't hang up Martin.
MB: OK thanks.
RM: Hello Martin.
MB: Hello Robert.
RM: Your number didn’t show up, that’s why I didn't know who it was...
MB: Oh my, I didn't send you my number...
RM: That’s OK.
MB: Well, I will see if I mange not to lose this one, if I can find the tool (laughs).
RM: (Inaudible).
MB: OK we will try, I mean I have not seen it yet...But we will try to expl...The police say or was it the local journalists who say you should be treated as an arguido.
RM: That he is a suspect, basically..
MB: Yes, well, even so...given the tone of the interrogation..
RM: Hmmm.
MB: And the fact of being free which says a lot about the interest in you, eh..
RM: That is the same as finishing me off...It was not me...I didn’t do anything…and now I am literally...
MB: OK, I know, I think...
RM: It always on when I turn the TV on and even now...
MB: Yes...well it would be better to turn it off..
RM: Really. To have been quiet was the best thing I could have done.
MB: Yes.
RM: But when I turn the television on I think , eh...They are going to finish me off completely, they are finishing me off...
MB: OK, OK. I'm going to tell you that...
RM: In order to have an idea..
MB: I’ll tell you what we are going to do.
RM: Did you talk to the lawyer?
MB: Two things! We talked to the Sky lawyer...
RM: Right.
MB: Who is of the opinion that according to what you signed you reported your work as being that of a translator.
RM: Certainly, as far as... the thing is that it was...Let me ..eh...it probably is ...oh!...
MB: Go on, continue...
RM: We talked, we talked to a Sky lawyer, but the problem with the Sky lawyer is that he is English!
MB: Yes...No, no, no... he is our lawyer.
RM: Hmmm.
MB: And can you see, he said what it seemed to be to him...
RM: Hmmm?
MB: According to his understanding.
RM: According to his understanding, exactly...
MB: And now we are reluctant to talk to the lawyer who contacted you.
RM: That’s right,. OK.
MB: We do not know him.
RM: OK.
MB: And you do not know him, well you don’t?
RM: Exactly, that’s right. I do not know him, mate.
MB: And we do not know where he came from or what his credibility is.
RM: Yes.
MB: And they told us that the police were going to play games with false leads and that was why. And who knows whether he is who he says he is?
RM: That’s right, OK.
MB: And he could be trying to test you out or hoping that we pass him some information.
RM: Certainly.
MB: Eh...we know that you suspect that your calls are being listened to, because of this...
RM: Hum, hmmm.
MB: Right? Because of this reason we are very reluctant because we do not know him and you do not know him.
RM: But however...I mean the best option you have to come clean with this, would probably be to go with a lawyer from Lisbon. Eh...somebody...with someone from up there. Not from the Algarve. It would have to be someone from Lisbon. Is that OK?
MB: That’s OK, I will try to arrange for someone from there...but….
RM: OK!
MB: But our position in relation to all this, for the moment, as I has explained previously, is that we consider ourselves to be very important ? and I think it was your opinion initially ? to do something finally that would manage to be on your side...
RM: Yes and that would not lead to my being detained immediately!
MB: Of course, of course! And you know, many of the things that you told me were not attributed to me...I understand and I don’t want to enter into all those details and we did not do anything since I left you...
RM: No, no, no, no...
MB: I am sure that you understand.
RM: Yes, yes! Yes.
MB: And if there is anything that better clarifies, that you think you could say, that could also be used in the future.
RM: Of course.
MB: You know, you could quote Sky sources and others..
RM: Yes that would be perfect. That would be just perfect!
MB: But I think it is important that you should have the media there and if we could appear, briefly, and make statements in these terms: I was questioned, it was a vague questioning, I was not asked direct questions about Madeleine? - and afterwards you explain to me how you felt that they made you a scapegoat, that you have nothing to hide, even if your computer is analysed. And that at the end of the day you will be absolved and they will find the true abductor/kidnapper.
RM: We could.. you could.. Lets first look at this with a Portuguese lawyer, we will won't we?
MB: Yes...No...
RM: Are you going to do this?
MB: I will do my best to arrange for one now...
RM: Yes.
MB: But, but ...independently of what the lawyer thinks, I think that this is the clearest option. But we will have to try to find someone who.....
RM: Yes, I think this is the simplest. Can you confirm this? I am here having a family discussion to see what they think...
MB: Ah yes. Of course I will. But I am talking about making very clear statements.
RM: Yes, OK!
MB: That they do not enter into many details but into the way you can get your message across.
RM: Get it across,.OK:
MB: That you give your version of the events, given that the only version of events is vague and...
RM: Yes, yes.
MB: And that the two local journalists and everyone are very against you...and that there is nobody with the exception of my interview with Sally...
RM: Yes?
MB: There has nobody who has spoken in favour of Robert Murat because of this...
RM: In fact of the many interviews given I have heard that there were some positive ones...people contradicting each other...
MB: Yes?
RM: They arrived and said....no, no...they have been very positive about this...
MB: Of course, people from the area...
RM: People from here…Exactly, exactly...
MB: (Inaudible)
RM : Exactly
MB: Who know what happened...
RM: Many people from the area said very positive things about this...about me, which is useful.
MB: Of course, well I will see what I can find and get back in touch with you.
RM: OK, Bye.
MB: And if we agree on this..
RM: Yes..
MB: And if we could agree to appear for 15 minutes..
RM: I never have any problem with making a statement..
MB: OK
RM: I have no problem whilst...Whilst I have the legal cover to do so. Because I dont want to end up in prison....(sigh)
MB: That would be the last thing we want...
RM: Firstly, for something I did not do and secondly for something that would break their contract rules...
MB: I understand that and I understand the sensitive nature of everything that we have been working with since we arrived here, so...
RM: OK..
MB: Can I phone you again in half an hour?
RM: Good bye, thank you very much.
MB: Good bye.
SECOND CALL
Call date: 15.05.2007
Call made on 15-05-2007, 3.58pm to 4.01pm
Conversation in English
Transcription
MB: Is Robert there?
JM: This is me..Jenny:
MB: This is Martin Brunt, Jenny.
JM: Yes.
MB: I thought it was better to send you my number when I call so that you know it’s me.
JM: Yes.
MB: Um...look...I just...I just wanted to know whether Robert has contacted his lawyer friend.
JM. At the moment, not yet because he is talking on the phone to his sister.
MB: OK.
JM: He spoke….he also spoke to Leicester police who are with his sister at the moment.
MB: Right, right, ah...OK...There's just one thing I would like to tell him about ...his worries about talking (inaudible) to the McCann family (inaudible).
JM: I am letting him listen, I am letting him listen.
MB: I would just like to explain one thing to him and...
JM: OK.
MB: And could help him...to arrive.
JM: Robert, its Mar ..Martin he has some news for you (speaks to a third person). Wait a minute, I (inaudible).
MB: That’s OK.
RM: Hello mate.
MB: Hi, just very quickly, this could be an important question.
RM. OK.
MB: Ahhm...The idea that nobody involved should talk…the McCann family have talked regularly and they are key witnesses in this investigation.
RM: That is not a good question, sorry, it’s a good question but they are not ready to detain them are they?
MB: They can’t…..
RM: They are not prepared to detain them especially with the public pressure, so no..
MB: Well, no, no, no..but, but....I only think, a lawyer drew my attention to (inaudible) nobody...
RM: No, that’s good, that’s very good, in fact there are still no (inaudible) in the statements because I was on the phone, OK?
MB: That’s right.
RM: But the truth is I have found some very good information, I hope it will be very good, unhappily out of sight, I really did make a phone call from her at eight fifteen at night.
MB: OK.
RM: And I made another call at eleven fifty three at night so, from the home telephone and to a number that only I would ring, it’s not a number my mother would dial.
MB: OK.
RM: Hmm, however, this could begin to be positive, but now I'm trying to find out whether my Dawn, I've just spoken to Dawn, ahhm...to see if she could, ahhmm...ask for the telephone records in the UK.
MB: OK
RM: And see if she calls me later tonight.
MB: Right.
RM: However I am not certain of how well this will turn out but if she could do this for me that would be great, I mean (inaudible) if, if they could prove that I was here from eight fifteen...
MB: Yes.
RM: And that I did not leave, in the sense that my calls did not leave….
MB: Yes.
RM: You know...this is quite good (inaudible)..
MB: Yes, you know, I think this is quite important and...I think... I think this could be quite useful.
RM: Yes, yes.
MB: Yes and I mean...you should make clear...to prove where you were...I mean (inaudible) you should not have to prove anything.
RM: Well, that….that, that is true, but the way things are going, with all the strange things that are happening...
MB: Yes.
RM: I..I...I am going to do something to try, you know, to show that I ...was where i was, end of story.
MB: Yes.
RM: No, I do not see this, yes,,but if it were ..I am just going to stop this and afterwards I am going to do what I planned to do...erm and then I will contact you.
MB: OK, fine.
RM: OK? Thanks.
MB: That’s OK.
RM. Many thanks, be well. Bye
MB: Bye
This is a list of what we know so far about some of the permanent, temporary and occasional residents of Praia da Luz, especially what might be termed the ‘ex-pat’ community. It is in alphabetical order of surname. Members can add to it and it will be updated from time to time. Important figures of interest who live nearby can also be added.
BRUNT, Martin
Has a ‘house’ in Praia da Luz [see his telephone calls to Robert Murat on 15 May 2007, reproduced below]
CORNER, Jon
Claimed to be a ‘frequent visitor’ to Praia da Luz, said Madeleine had that ‘special quality’, stayed with the McCanns for a few days in August 2007, later released a short video which featured the highly controversial ‘Make-Up Photo’; his daughter Chloe and crèche nanny Catriona Baker had been Facebook friends back in 2006
(EVELEIGH, Ralph
(EVELEIGH, Sally
Uncle and aunt of Robert Murat’ Hosted a top-level meeting on 13 November 2007 between the McCann Team (represented by Cheshire businessman Brian Kennedy and top lawyer and senior Freemason Edward Smethurst in his capacity as the McCanns’ co-ordinating lawyer) and the Murat Team (represented by top Portuguese lawyer Francisco Pagarete)
FENN, Ian
Occasionally visited Praia da Luz while his mother was alive
FENN, Pamela
Lived above the McCanns’ apartment, claimed she heard Madeleine crying between 10.30pm and 11.45pm on Tuesday 1 May. Was a member of the local Residents Committee together with Jenny Murat
FREUD, Sir Clement
Serial paedophile who had a villa close to the Murat’s house, Casa Liliana, and twice invited the McCanns to his villa for eats and drinks and carried on a long email correspondence between them
(HUBBARD Father Haynes
(HUBBARD Susan
Jetted in from Canada on 6 May 2007 and immediately became close friends with the McCanns
LOURENCO, Nuno Manuel Jesus de
Born in Portugal, said to have moved to Germany, claimed to be visiting his dear old Mum in Sagres from 22 April to 13 May 2007, created a fabricated account of his child nearly being kidnapped at Sagres on 29 April, said now to be living back in Portugal
(MURAT, Jenny
(MURAT, Robert
Lived in Praia da Luz for decades, the first official suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine. Credible claims made about his sexual interests and having child sexual abuse images on his computer; could not explain why he had encrypted material on his computer, lied to police about what he was really doing between 1 and 4 May when he was suddenly called back from England
MALINKA, Sergei
Associate of Robert Murat, said to have wiped his computer before the police got to it, now a property developer in the area, had his car torched three times, once with the word ‘FALA’ (‘Talk’) daubed on the pavement next to it
PACHECO, Father
Roman Catholic priest who spoke to the McCanns and said he would ‘take the McCanns’ secrets to my grave’ (almost the same words used by Arthur Cowley a few years later). Disappeared for two weeks or more when the papers were full of news about the disappearance of Madeline; he was said to be ‘in turmoil’ because of his involvement in the Madeleine McCann case
PAGARETE, Francisco
Lawyer whom Murat rushed to see on Wednesday 2 May 2007 after his sudden flight back to Portugal. Murat is vague about what they discussed
SILVA, Jorge
Praia da Luz businessman with whom Murat spent many hours on Wednesday 2 May and Thursday 3 May 2007, allegedly discussing the formation of ‘Romigen’
SMETHURST, Edward
Has been the co-ordinating lawyer for the McCanns since the beginning and been a Director of the Find madeleine Fund since 2009; has been holidaying in Praia da Luz with one of other of his three families since 1999
SMITH, Martin and family
Shares an apartment in the Estrela da Luz complex with another family, stays there at least three times a year, says he and his family saw a man carrying a child dressed only in pyjamas at 10pm on 3 May - said by his son to have ‘met Robert Murat several times over a period of two years’
ALSO
‘Elca Craig’ / ‘ShiningInLuz’, ex-forum member who has lived in Praia da Luz, says Madeleine was abducted
‘TaninaR’, forum member who says she once lived in Praia da Luz
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
THE MARTIN BRUNT PHONE CALLS TO ROBERT MURAT, 15 May 2007
[copied and pasted from pamalam's mccannpjfiles with continuing acknowledgement to her for her wonderful preservation of so much valuable material]
-------------------------
FIRST CALL
Call date: 15.05.2007
Call made on 15-05-2007, 12.57pm to 1.04pm
Transcribed on 27th May at Portimao PJ station.
(NB: The Transcript is only available in PT in the files)
Conversation in English.
JM - Jennifer Murat
MB - Martin Brunt
RM - Robert Murat
Transcription:
JM: Hello. Residence of Jenny Murat.
MB: Hello, Martin Brunt speaking.
JM: Hi dear.
MB: Hi, is everything all-right?
JM: Yes, Robert is a little depressed now.
MB: I’m sure he is..
JM: It was not very nice of Sky News to refer to him as arguido, don't you think?
MB: Hmmm, I didn’t see that. I was up at our house. What are they saying with regard to that?
JM: Robert Murat has been made an arguido in the case of Madeleine McCann.
MB: What does the term arguido mean in Portuguese?
JM: What does arguido mean, Robert?
RM: Suspect.
JM: Suspect.
MB: OK, well, I'm not completely familiar with legal Portuguese terms. I think that someone said.....that the police said they were treating Robert as an arguido.
JM: Robert, as an arguido?
MB: What I mean is, what is that...
JM: I'm going to pass you to Robert. Don't hang up Martin.
MB: OK thanks.
RM: Hello Martin.
MB: Hello Robert.
RM: Your number didn’t show up, that’s why I didn't know who it was...
MB: Oh my, I didn't send you my number...
RM: That’s OK.
MB: Well, I will see if I mange not to lose this one, if I can find the tool (laughs).
RM: (Inaudible).
MB: OK we will try, I mean I have not seen it yet...But we will try to expl...The police say or was it the local journalists who say you should be treated as an arguido.
RM: That he is a suspect, basically..
MB: Yes, well, even so...given the tone of the interrogation..
RM: Hmmm.
MB: And the fact of being free which says a lot about the interest in you, eh..
RM: That is the same as finishing me off...It was not me...I didn’t do anything…and now I am literally...
MB: OK, I know, I think...
RM: It always on when I turn the TV on and even now...
MB: Yes...well it would be better to turn it off..
RM: Really. To have been quiet was the best thing I could have done.
MB: Yes.
RM: But when I turn the television on I think , eh...They are going to finish me off completely, they are finishing me off...
MB: OK, OK. I'm going to tell you that...
RM: In order to have an idea..
MB: I’ll tell you what we are going to do.
RM: Did you talk to the lawyer?
MB: Two things! We talked to the Sky lawyer...
RM: Right.
MB: Who is of the opinion that according to what you signed you reported your work as being that of a translator.
RM: Certainly, as far as... the thing is that it was...Let me ..eh...it probably is ...oh!...
MB: Go on, continue...
RM: We talked, we talked to a Sky lawyer, but the problem with the Sky lawyer is that he is English!
MB: Yes...No, no, no... he is our lawyer.
RM: Hmmm.
MB: And can you see, he said what it seemed to be to him...
RM: Hmmm?
MB: According to his understanding.
RM: According to his understanding, exactly...
MB: And now we are reluctant to talk to the lawyer who contacted you.
RM: That’s right,. OK.
MB: We do not know him.
RM: OK.
MB: And you do not know him, well you don’t?
RM: Exactly, that’s right. I do not know him, mate.
MB: And we do not know where he came from or what his credibility is.
RM: Yes.
MB: And they told us that the police were going to play games with false leads and that was why. And who knows whether he is who he says he is?
RM: That’s right, OK.
MB: And he could be trying to test you out or hoping that we pass him some information.
RM: Certainly.
MB: Eh...we know that you suspect that your calls are being listened to, because of this...
RM: Hum, hmmm.
MB: Right? Because of this reason we are very reluctant because we do not know him and you do not know him.
RM: But however...I mean the best option you have to come clean with this, would probably be to go with a lawyer from Lisbon. Eh...somebody...with someone from up there. Not from the Algarve. It would have to be someone from Lisbon. Is that OK?
MB: That’s OK, I will try to arrange for someone from there...but….
RM: OK!
MB: But our position in relation to all this, for the moment, as I has explained previously, is that we consider ourselves to be very important ? and I think it was your opinion initially ? to do something finally that would manage to be on your side...
RM: Yes and that would not lead to my being detained immediately!
MB: Of course, of course! And you know, many of the things that you told me were not attributed to me...I understand and I don’t want to enter into all those details and we did not do anything since I left you...
RM: No, no, no, no...
MB: I am sure that you understand.
RM: Yes, yes! Yes.
MB: And if there is anything that better clarifies, that you think you could say, that could also be used in the future.
RM: Of course.
MB: You know, you could quote Sky sources and others..
RM: Yes that would be perfect. That would be just perfect!
MB: But I think it is important that you should have the media there and if we could appear, briefly, and make statements in these terms: I was questioned, it was a vague questioning, I was not asked direct questions about Madeleine? - and afterwards you explain to me how you felt that they made you a scapegoat, that you have nothing to hide, even if your computer is analysed. And that at the end of the day you will be absolved and they will find the true abductor/kidnapper.
RM: We could.. you could.. Lets first look at this with a Portuguese lawyer, we will won't we?
MB: Yes...No...
RM: Are you going to do this?
MB: I will do my best to arrange for one now...
RM: Yes.
MB: But, but ...independently of what the lawyer thinks, I think that this is the clearest option. But we will have to try to find someone who.....
RM: Yes, I think this is the simplest. Can you confirm this? I am here having a family discussion to see what they think...
MB: Ah yes. Of course I will. But I am talking about making very clear statements.
RM: Yes, OK!
MB: That they do not enter into many details but into the way you can get your message across.
RM: Get it across,.OK:
MB: That you give your version of the events, given that the only version of events is vague and...
RM: Yes, yes.
MB: And that the two local journalists and everyone are very against you...and that there is nobody with the exception of my interview with Sally...
RM: Yes?
MB: There has nobody who has spoken in favour of Robert Murat because of this...
RM: In fact of the many interviews given I have heard that there were some positive ones...people contradicting each other...
MB: Yes?
RM: They arrived and said....no, no...they have been very positive about this...
MB: Of course, people from the area...
RM: People from here…Exactly, exactly...
MB: (Inaudible)
RM : Exactly
MB: Who know what happened...
RM: Many people from the area said very positive things about this...about me, which is useful.
MB: Of course, well I will see what I can find and get back in touch with you.
RM: OK, Bye.
MB: And if we agree on this..
RM: Yes..
MB: And if we could agree to appear for 15 minutes..
RM: I never have any problem with making a statement..
MB: OK
RM: I have no problem whilst...Whilst I have the legal cover to do so. Because I dont want to end up in prison....(sigh)
MB: That would be the last thing we want...
RM: Firstly, for something I did not do and secondly for something that would break their contract rules...
MB: I understand that and I understand the sensitive nature of everything that we have been working with since we arrived here, so...
RM: OK..
MB: Can I phone you again in half an hour?
RM: Good bye, thank you very much.
MB: Good bye.
SECOND CALL
Call date: 15.05.2007
Call made on 15-05-2007, 3.58pm to 4.01pm
Conversation in English
Transcription
MB: Is Robert there?
JM: This is me..Jenny:
MB: This is Martin Brunt, Jenny.
JM: Yes.
MB: I thought it was better to send you my number when I call so that you know it’s me.
JM: Yes.
MB: Um...look...I just...I just wanted to know whether Robert has contacted his lawyer friend.
JM. At the moment, not yet because he is talking on the phone to his sister.
MB: OK.
JM: He spoke….he also spoke to Leicester police who are with his sister at the moment.
MB: Right, right, ah...OK...There's just one thing I would like to tell him about ...his worries about talking (inaudible) to the McCann family (inaudible).
JM: I am letting him listen, I am letting him listen.
MB: I would just like to explain one thing to him and...
JM: OK.
MB: And could help him...to arrive.
JM: Robert, its Mar ..Martin he has some news for you (speaks to a third person). Wait a minute, I (inaudible).
MB: That’s OK.
RM: Hello mate.
MB: Hi, just very quickly, this could be an important question.
RM. OK.
MB: Ahhm...The idea that nobody involved should talk…the McCann family have talked regularly and they are key witnesses in this investigation.
RM: That is not a good question, sorry, it’s a good question but they are not ready to detain them are they?
MB: They can’t…..
RM: They are not prepared to detain them especially with the public pressure, so no..
MB: Well, no, no, no..but, but....I only think, a lawyer drew my attention to (inaudible) nobody...
RM: No, that’s good, that’s very good, in fact there are still no (inaudible) in the statements because I was on the phone, OK?
MB: That’s right.
RM: But the truth is I have found some very good information, I hope it will be very good, unhappily out of sight, I really did make a phone call from her at eight fifteen at night.
MB: OK.
RM: And I made another call at eleven fifty three at night so, from the home telephone and to a number that only I would ring, it’s not a number my mother would dial.
MB: OK.
RM: Hmm, however, this could begin to be positive, but now I'm trying to find out whether my Dawn, I've just spoken to Dawn, ahhm...to see if she could, ahhmm...ask for the telephone records in the UK.
MB: OK
RM: And see if she calls me later tonight.
MB: Right.
RM: However I am not certain of how well this will turn out but if she could do this for me that would be great, I mean (inaudible) if, if they could prove that I was here from eight fifteen...
MB: Yes.
RM: And that I did not leave, in the sense that my calls did not leave….
MB: Yes.
RM: You know...this is quite good (inaudible)..
MB: Yes, you know, I think this is quite important and...I think... I think this could be quite useful.
RM: Yes, yes.
MB: Yes and I mean...you should make clear...to prove where you were...I mean (inaudible) you should not have to prove anything.
RM: Well, that….that, that is true, but the way things are going, with all the strange things that are happening...
MB: Yes.
RM: I..I...I am going to do something to try, you know, to show that I ...was where i was, end of story.
MB: Yes.
RM: No, I do not see this, yes,,but if it were ..I am just going to stop this and afterwards I am going to do what I planned to do...erm and then I will contact you.
MB: OK, fine.
RM: OK? Thanks.
MB: That’s OK.
RM. Many thanks, be well. Bye
MB: Bye
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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"
Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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Re: Permanent, temporary and occasional residents of Praia da Luz, including visitors – What we know
More for your list Tony:
Jo Wheeler - SKY weather girl, married to a Richard Edwards (still checking to see if this is the same reporter who was sent to report on the disappearance by The Telegraph (by 7 May latest) or, someone else with the same name).
This is what Wikipedia has to say about Ms Wheeler:
Sky News
She joined BSkyB in October 1994 where she also presented forecasts for [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] until February 2012. She was also voted Best European Weather Presenter in 1998.
She lived in Portugal for a seven-year period with her husband and five children, and commuted to the UK-based Sky News Centre in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] on a weekly basis to present the weather. Because of this, she acted as a live reporter in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] during the initial coverage of the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] before journalists arrived from London.
In 2010, Sky News carried out a major overhaul of its presentation, removing most of its weather presenters,[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Wheeler now works [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Also, look what Robert Murat says about Jo Wheeler, when going through the phone numbers on his phone with the PJ:
Jo (Sky) 351... he knows this lady, a friend of his uncles who live in Burgau, but with whom he does not and did not maintain any relationship;
I'm assuming the uncle is Ralph Eveleigh. A lot seems to circle back to Salsalito and its occupants.
The familiar way in which Martin Brunt is greeted on the phone by Jenny Murat suggests friendship there as well.
Also, we have Gaynor Edwards (any relation to Richard Edwards, husband of Jo Wheeler?), resident in the area and long time (school) friend of Murat, who was working as a translator for SKY reporters. She is the person who warned him of the developing suspicions of Sunday Mirror reporter Lori Campbell. This is what Murat says about Gaynor Edwards in one of his statements:
At some point on Monday, a well-known acquaintance since the age of twelve years, named GAYNOR Exxxxxx, told him that he was the main suspect among the journalists. Subsequently he learned that she was working for "Sky", with a journalist, and she was told that they were comparing with a case of homicide that occurred in the United Kingdom, in which two girls had been killed and that the perpetrators of the crime were close to the place of the investigation. From then on he refused to speak with journalists and alerted the the Police to this. That refusal [of his] was to not provide his full name, nor to allow the taking of a photograph.
Then there is Detective Constable Phil Allen (and wife) then of Thames Valley Police (Met) - friend of the Eveleighs, and frequent visitor to the Eveleigh's home/guest house in Burgau, Salsalito. Allen states that he had met Robert Murat for the first time in 2005, but he plays down their relationship - in the recorded telephone converstaion where Murat asks him for advice about the ability of the police to locate mobile phones/usage, Allen acts as though he has not met Murat before. Murat admits knowing him. Phil Allen and his wife are both Facebook friends of Sally Eveleigh.
Jo Wheeler - SKY weather girl, married to a Richard Edwards (still checking to see if this is the same reporter who was sent to report on the disappearance by The Telegraph (by 7 May latest) or, someone else with the same name).
This is what Wikipedia has to say about Ms Wheeler:
Sky News
She joined BSkyB in October 1994 where she also presented forecasts for [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] until February 2012. She was also voted Best European Weather Presenter in 1998.
She lived in Portugal for a seven-year period with her husband and five children, and commuted to the UK-based Sky News Centre in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] on a weekly basis to present the weather. Because of this, she acted as a live reporter in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] during the initial coverage of the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] before journalists arrived from London.
In 2010, Sky News carried out a major overhaul of its presentation, removing most of its weather presenters,[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Wheeler now works [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Personal life
Wheeler married Richard Edwards in April 2000 in Cheshire.[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] They moved from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to Portugal in 2002 (being disillusioned with Britain and discipline in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) and have had a daughter (born July 1999) and son (born November 2001) together. Jo has two daughters (born November 1990 and June 1994) and a son (born January 1992) from a previous relationship.Also, look what Robert Murat says about Jo Wheeler, when going through the phone numbers on his phone with the PJ:
Jo (Sky) 351... he knows this lady, a friend of his uncles who live in Burgau, but with whom he does not and did not maintain any relationship;
I'm assuming the uncle is Ralph Eveleigh. A lot seems to circle back to Salsalito and its occupants.
The familiar way in which Martin Brunt is greeted on the phone by Jenny Murat suggests friendship there as well.
Also, we have Gaynor Edwards (any relation to Richard Edwards, husband of Jo Wheeler?), resident in the area and long time (school) friend of Murat, who was working as a translator for SKY reporters. She is the person who warned him of the developing suspicions of Sunday Mirror reporter Lori Campbell. This is what Murat says about Gaynor Edwards in one of his statements:
At some point on Monday, a well-known acquaintance since the age of twelve years, named GAYNOR Exxxxxx, told him that he was the main suspect among the journalists. Subsequently he learned that she was working for "Sky", with a journalist, and she was told that they were comparing with a case of homicide that occurred in the United Kingdom, in which two girls had been killed and that the perpetrators of the crime were close to the place of the investigation. From then on he refused to speak with journalists and alerted the the Police to this. That refusal [of his] was to not provide his full name, nor to allow the taking of a photograph.
Then there is Detective Constable Phil Allen (and wife) then of Thames Valley Police (Met) - friend of the Eveleighs, and frequent visitor to the Eveleigh's home/guest house in Burgau, Salsalito. Allen states that he had met Robert Murat for the first time in 2005, but he plays down their relationship - in the recorded telephone converstaion where Murat asks him for advice about the ability of the police to locate mobile phones/usage, Allen acts as though he has not met Murat before. Murat admits knowing him. Phil Allen and his wife are both Facebook friends of Sally Eveleigh.
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