media reaction and "restraint" following latest SY statement

by russiandoll 06.07.13 20:50

Admin, if you do not think this should be a new topic please move elsewhere, but I think there will be so much of the same to follow that it might be worth its own area on the forum.
This article from the Daily Star leaves me speechless, so no comment !

6th July 2013

SCOTLAND Yard detectives who believe Madeleine could still be alive want to trace five mysterious strangers spotted in Praia da Luz around the time of her abduction

The five are among 38 potential new suspects including 12 Brits.

One is “Bundle Man” who was seen by the McCanns’ pal Jane Tanner carrying a sleeping girl away from their apartment at around 9.15pm on the night Madeleine disappeared.

He could also be “Rude Man” who ignored an Irish family’s attempts to chat as he passed them carrying a pyjama-clad girl towards the beach around 10pm that night.

Another is “Creepy Man” who days earlier scared British holidaymaker Gail Cooper when he demanded charity cash for an orphanage that did not exist.

She later saw the Mexican-moustached stranger watching children on the beach.

A fourth was dubbed “Spotty Man” after he was seen five times in the four days before Madeleine disappeared apparently watching their apartment.

A fifth, “Photo Man”, was spotted taking pictures of children near the beach in nearby Sagres"

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by suzyjohnson 06.07.13 23:35

Is this a joke russian doll? Two years to discover the suspects we already knew about? The whole saga just goes from bad to worse.

by Guest 06.07.13 23:45

I'm thinking it might be another instance of urine being extracted.

by russiandoll 07.07.13 0:16

well it is all over twitter and there is a link........... I thought it read like a bad taste spoof, but the online page layout is the same as the regular one. If I discover that someone has been messing about with the Star front page to insert a spoof I will ask admin to delete the post. It certainly is a very bizarre piece of writing to have come from a journalist, even by that paper's standards.

found link on twitter...do you think it is a clever fake? I don't know enough about computers to know how someone could do this!

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by Guest 07.07.13 0:44

This is the link also from twitter..

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by russiandoll 07.07.13 0:51

Bundleman seen carrying a sleeping girl away from their apartment? Tanner never claimed to see BM exit the door or window did she? I thought her claim was that she saw a man crossing the street.

so we have
Bundle Man, Creepy Man, Rude Man, Spotty Man, Photo Man

any more to add to the list?

by sallypelt 07.07.13 1:01

russiandoll wrote:Bundleman seen carrying a sleeping girl away from their apartment? Tanner never claimed to see BM exit the door or window did she? I thought her claim was that she saw a man crossing the street.

so we have
Bundle Man, Creepy Man, Rude Man, Spotty Man, Photo Man

any more to add to the list?

Where is egg man? Has he been eliminated?

by Guest 07.07.13 1:02

I seem to remember there was a Ruud Gullit lookalike man and a cabbage patch doll lookalike man roll

by Newintown 07.07.13 1:05

George Harrison man.

by Guest 07.07.13 1:08

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by Liz Eagles 07.07.13 1:09

sallypelt wrote:
russiandoll wrote:Bundleman seen carrying a sleeping girl away from their apartment? Tanner never claimed to see BM exit the door or window did she? I thought her claim was that she saw a man crossing the street.

so we have
Bundle Man, Creepy Man, Rude Man, Spotty Man, Photo Man

any more to add to the list?

Where is egg man? Has he been eliminated?

Egg man has gone missing. It's believed he's been poached.

by Guest 07.07.13 1:10

There was also Victoria Beckham lookalike

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by worriedmum 07.07.13 1:13

'Victoria Beck-Man', then?

(Gosh. does this mean I could be a red-top journalist?)

LOL Aquila, 'poached' big grin

by Guest 07.07.13 1:14

Egg man has gone missing. It's believed he's been poached.

That's a great yoke!

Unfortunately Egg Man met an untimely death

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by Liz Eagles 07.07.13 1:19

Cherry wrote:Egg man has gone missing. It's believed he's been poached.

That's a great yoke!

Unfortunately Egg Man met an untimely death

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The Home Office are advising British tourists travelling to the Algarve to remain vigilant and report any sightings of Egg Man. It's thought he may like to sit on walls.

by tasprin 07.07.13 1:20

Cherry wrote:Egg man has gone missing. It's believed he's been poached.

That's a great yoke!

Unfortunately Egg Man met an untimely death

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It was a soldier what dunnit.

by sallypelt 07.07.13 1:48

tasprin wrote:
Cherry wrote:Egg man has gone missing. It's believed he's been poached.

That's a great yoke!

Unfortunately Egg Man met an untimely death

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It was a soldier what dunnit.

Eggsactly

by Liz Eagles 07.07.13 1:51

A special task force has been set up in UK. Operation Ova is made up of a crack team of investigators. Suspects are thought to be British. Holidaymakers in the Algarve are urged to remain alert and report any sightings of strangers sitting on walls bearing tattoos with the Lion Mark. The team of Operation Ova are also urging the public to report any sightings of shell suits.

by tasprin 07.07.13 2:11

It's an old story though, last reported in May this year, "Egg thrower jailed after Fort Pierce police unscramble hard-boiled case"
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THIS IS A DOZEN EGGS, THOUGH THESE EGGS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INCIDENT. Photo by: Will Greenlee

by sallypelt 07.07.13 2:13

aquila wrote:A special task force has been set up in UK. Operation Ova is made up of a crack team of investigators. Suspects are thought to be British. Holidaymakers in the Algarve are urged to remain alert and report any sightings of strangers sitting on walls bearing tattoos with the Lion Mark. The team of Operation Ova are also urging the public to report any sightings of shell suits.

I have no doubt that they will crack it, eventually. They won't be beaten.

by Liz Eagles 07.07.13 2:28

tasprin wrote:It's an old story though, last reported in May this year, "Egg thrower jailed after Fort Pierce police unscramble hard-boiled case"
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THIS IS A DOZEN EGGS, THOUGH THESE EGGS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INCIDENT. Photo by: Will Greenlee

Operation Ova are collaborating with their European colleagues who may have missed two of the dozen suspects in the case. The British government are in talks with Brussels to thrash out the importance of selling eggs by the dozen and not in 10's.

by Guest 07.07.13 2:37

Looks like the case has been well and truly cracked!

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by lufc50337 07.07.13 2:39

This thread made me think of Buildafire, does he still post anywhere?

by xertial 07.07.13 7:06

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If Maddie Mccann is alive, who died in parent's rental apartment?

Scotland Yard officials are now claiming that they believe Madeleine McCann is still alive. Of course, this completely contradicts all of the evidence gathered in the case thus far, so[url=http://scrapetv.com/News/News Pages/Everyone Else/pages-23/British-police-say-Madeleine-McCann-is-still-alive-to-make-themselves-feel-better-or-something-Scrape-TV-The-World-on-your-side-2013-07-05.html#.UddJCvkzvTg] it would be interesting to know what their theories are[/url]. If little Maddie is still alive, then who died in the apartment rented by her parents in Portugal?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Portuguese police were convinced that little Madeleine died in the rental apartment. There was even mention of disbelief that the McCanns (Kate and Gerry) were never brought up on charges for leaving Maddie and her siblings alone the night she vanished. It was believed (at least as recently as three years ago) that Maddie suffered a fatal accident when left alone that night and that her parents "simulated" the abduction.

As for physical and forensic evidence: Cadaver dogs hit on the scents of blood and human decomposition in more than one part of the rental apartment -- indicating that someone had died in it. Records indicate that there are no known deaths to have occurred in the rental -- but there is one "crime," and that's the so called abduction of Madeleine McCann.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] located in the rental apartment and tested to be an 88% match to little Maddie. Even though 88% is too low to be legally useful, it still shows that a female related to Kate and Gerry McCann died in the apartment -- and their other two children are alive. The logical conclusion at this point would be that Madeleine died in apartment 5A while her parents drank with friends several yards away from their unsupervised kids.

So, again, if Maddie McCann is alive, then who died in apartment 5A?

Chelsea Hoffman is based in Henderson, Nevada, United States of America, and is an Anchor for Allvoices.

by Liz Eagles 07.07.13 10:29

Today's Guardian

Theresa May to pull UK out of Europol despite Madeleine McCann leads
Home secretary expected to ignore advice of senior officers and walk away from police agency currently advising government on disappearance of child

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by lufc50337 07.07.13 10:50

This case is getting weirder by the day

by worriedmum 07.07.13 12:04

From the Guardian article above,
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The home secretary, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], is expected to ignore private warnings from senior [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] officers and abandon the UK's membership of a European cross-border crime agency which is advising the government on the disappearance of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

May's position is regarded by some of those familiar with negotiations as particularly irrational given Europol's role in the case of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the child who went missing from her parent's holiday apartment in Portugal six years ago.
It is understood Wainwright has been personally involved in advising ministers on how best to co-operate with the Portuguese authorities, an issue which has previously bedevilled progress on the case.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the case and had opened a formal investigation. Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said it still believed there was a chance Madeleine was alive and his officers were now investigating 38 "persons of interest", including 12 in the UK, after reviewing the evidence with the assistance of the Portuguese.

Europol was formed to assist in the sharing and pooling of intelligence to prevent and combat serious international organized crime. One of its greatest triumphs was [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], launched in 2010, which led to the identification of what is believed to have been the world's largest online child sex abuse network, leading the identification of 240 suspects and 60 victims.

However as major crime has become increasingly cross-border in nature, Europol has sought to enhance its ability to collect data from nation states, among other measures, causing concern in Whitehall.''

by bobbin 07.07.13 12:24

worriedmum wrote:From the Guardian article above,
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The home secretary, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], is expected to ignore private warnings from senior [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] officers and abandon the UK's membership of a European cross-border crime agency which is advising the government on the disappearance of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

May's position is regarded by some of those familiar with negotiations as particularly irrational given Europol's role in the case of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the child who went missing from her parent's holiday apartment in Portugal six years ago.
It is understood Wainwright has been personally involved in advising ministers on how best to co-operate with the Portuguese authorities, an issue which has previously bedevilled progress on the case.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the case and had opened a formal investigation. Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said it still believed there was a chance Madeleine was alive and his officers were now investigating 38 "persons of interest", including 12 in the UK, after reviewing the evidence with the assistance of the Portuguese.

Europol was formed to assist in the sharing and pooling of intelligence to prevent and combat serious international organized crime. One of its greatest triumphs was [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], launched in 2010, which led to the identification of what is believed to have been the world's largest online child sex abuse network, leading the identification of 240 suspects and 60 victims.

However as major crime has become increasingly cross-border in nature, Europol has sought to enhance its ability to collect data from nation states, among other measures, causing concern in Whitehall.''

That's the nub of the question.
UK doesn't need to share in information gathering.
It does it all by itself, along with the USA with its PRISM spying and information-interception of anything and everything that moves, including probably, moss growing on old cottage walls.
UK would be concerned however if its European allies started to be able to access any data on UK.
How would the 'real' paedophile network, rampant in the UK higher echelons be able to protect itself against discovery if the EU were enabled to snoop on the UK to the same extent as the UK snoops on the EU.
No wonder Whitehall would be getting alarmed. winkwink

by Guest 07.07.13 12:47

How can this pulling out of Europol hinder the investigation. They are committed until 2015, when they are not renewing, are they saying this investigation is going on longer than 2015? Meanwhile we still have membership.

The UK will continue to have membership until 2015 but May has decided not to commit to rejoining after this date when Europol will be given greater powers.

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