Re: 19 May Mail on Sunday: 'MADDIE: UK CLEANERS ARE SUSPECTS' + WHO SOOTHED A WEEPING MADDIE the Express

by jeanmonroe 18.05.13 13:41

Philthecynic wrote:Sky news report comment to the effect that the McCanns cannot understand why Portuguese police do not resume the search.

The PJ cannot understand why the McCanns won't return to Portugal and personally BEG the prosecutor to re-open the case THEY didn't protest against being shelved!
The PJ cannot understand why the McCanns and their friends won't return to Portugal to do a re construction.
The PJ cannot understand why Kate McCann jeopardised the investigation into her daughters 'disappearance'
The PJ cannot understand why the McCanns haven't offered the 'abductor' everything they possess on this earth in exchange for their child.
The PJ cannot understand why the super, duper, sleuths at SY have not queried a single one of the blatant lies in the McCanns and their friends statements.
The PJ cannot understand................................
Etc, etc!

by Cristobell 18.05.13 13:45

In my opinion announcing that they know they know who abductors are would put a live hostage at risk, it implies to me that they do not think Madeleine is alive.

by Smokeandmirrors 18.05.13 13:46

jeanmonroe wrote:
Philthecynic wrote:Sky news report comment to the effect that the McCanns cannot understand why Portuguese police do not resume the search.
The PJ cannot understand why the McCanns won't return to Portugal and personally BEG the prosecutor to re-open the case THEY didn't protest against being shelved!
The PJ cannot understand why the McCanns and their friends won't return to Portugal to do a re construction.
The PJ cannot understand why Kate McCann jeopardised the investigation into her daughters 'disappearance'
The PJ cannot understand why the McCanns haven't offered the 'abductor' everything they possess on this earth in exchange for their child.
The PJ cannot understand................................
Etc, etc!

Anyone who has seen what is contained within the PJ files KNOWS that a vast amount of diligencies were carried out, the McCanns treated every sighting in the immediate time following May 2007 as a complete inconvenience when they were busy travelling around Europe, and they and their friends refused to provide consistent statements or do the reconstruction - is it any wonder that the Portugese have had enough of the whole thing, particularly when the Portugese taxpayers spent millions of THEIR public money trying to investigate a "crime" against a constant barrage of insults, critique and obstruction?

If I were the head of the Portugese police I'd tell the Mc's to b**ger off.

by Guest 18.05.13 13:49

Remember recently Kate in PdL, seen with Mother Hubbard:

Seen exiting the Batista supermarket cafe together, allegedly after being recognised there.

Why did they go there in the first place? Why not to the much more secluded Ocean Club (or even the former Tapas?)

Could it be that Kate was in the immediate vicinity of the appartment, invited to help the PJ/SY taking a closer look at the apartment?

That Hubbard and KH were awaiting the arrival of the police, or that they were there, taking a breather after helping the police with their enquiries?

The forum buzzed about the way KH was dressed: she looked a wreck, unkempt, as if beyond all care.

What could have brought that about?

And where was good doctor GM while his wife was facing possible arrest by the PJ under the direction of SY's recent findings?

Why did he let her go and face the music alone?

by The Rooster 18.05.13 13:56

The McCanns are blaggards amongst other things. If they are arrested and ultimately found guilty, prison will be an unpleasant experience for them. Come on the Met start scoring some goals...

by jozi 18.05.13 13:58

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The morning after SYs report is spinning gone mad.....Every newspaper,every reporter, every ex detective that crawls out of the woodwork are saying the McCanns are innocent and its Portugal's fault but it all seems to have a pinky hue about it.

Clarry at his best once again,confusion is good,he's bounced back after the initial shock of (No comment).

I hope something is happening at long last and remain faithful to SY (for now) to help bring the perpetrators to task !!!

Do not let us loose faith in the British Justice System,we will not accept anything less, are you listening New Scotland Yard !

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by jeanmonroe 18.05.13 13:59

S&M
"If I were the head of the Portugese police I'd tell the Mc's to b**ger off."

IF i were head of the Portuguese police i'd get an EUROPEAN ARREST WARRANT and EXTRADITE them all back to Portugal!
(purely only to totally exonorate them, after questioning, from any involvement and then to declare their innocence after they had given their freely given voluntary help to the investigation)

by lj 18.05.13 14:07

What is clear is that SY did (want to) put the ball in the Portuguese court. That means they have nothing, absolutely nothing. If you see what they have officially announced to the world (she might be dead, she might be alive etc, 190 leads: well that shrunk down to 20 fast) it is clear if they really had something substantial they would have screamed it from the rooftops.
They know the only conclusion is the conclusion from the PJ: the parents could not be cleared. They can't say that, so now they leave it up to the Portuguese judiciary to do that.

And yes I have no doubt that these announcement have come now to set a new stage for the Amaral trial.

I am disgusted, not surprised because I suspected a whitewash from the beginning, but disgusted how far people will go to save face.

by plebgate 18.05.13 14:11

lthecynic"[color=red]]Sky news report comment to the effect that the McCanns cannot understand why Portuguese police do not resume the search.[/quote]

Waiting for a letter with a stamp on it possibly?

It is a puzzle why Brunty is there, especially after his mistake in printing the M word on twitter yesterday?

by Pershing36 18.05.13 14:16

aiyoyo wrote:
tiny wrote:Ididnt think this news such a big deal,or is something is going to happen

Judging by Kate's pre-empting move in PDL recently, I should think something is afoot.

She would hardly go to PDL if she thought SY had named her as a suspect again, she could easily be arrested. Whatever was announced yesterday the McCann's new about well before.

Maybe KM and Martin Brunt went out there just in case the PJ started pulling in these people of interest?

As the days go on more and more information will trickle out. I wouldn't be at all surprised if these people of interest turn out to be those cleaners reported a while back, the ones in the Transit. They may have names for them now as they were clearly trying to trace them.

I am sorry but the chances of this not being a SY Whitewash have shrunk severely. If they suspected any of them there that night they wouldn't be sending the PJ on a wild goose chase with these latest names. SY do not need the PJ for any suspect in the UK so they must be looking for people living out there. Seeing that everyone that night fled to the UK bar Murat, then these must be new people.

by Guest 18.05.13 14:17

I just missed the latest from Brunty but this just tweeted......

matthew wright‏@1matthewwright1[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] M Brunt:"awful lot of information gathered around mobile phone use cell site evidence of where phones were used" [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by Philthecynic 18.05.13 14:23

We all know why they don't want to reopen a can of worms in Portugal but they have to be seen to want it hence the comment.
It's the usual rubbish. Any solution to the case would either kill the McCann's money making machine or at worst put them in prison. Of course they will never ask for a re-opening of the case. All they have to do is ask in writing.
Hey, here's a radical idea. All that money to aid the search. How about offering to give some to the police to actually do some more searching? Or why not put up a huge reward, something to tempt her "Abductor" to hand her over?
You can fool some of the people some of the time...................

by plebgate 18.05.13 14:24

Come on Brunty keep it coming. He is out there for a reason deffo.

by Guest 18.05.13 14:31

candyfloss wrote:I just missed the latest from Brunty but this just tweeted......

matthew wright‏@1matthewwright1[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] M Brunt:"awful lot of information gathered around mobile phone use cell site evidence of where phones were used" [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Coulb MB be privy to real information, i.e.info form outside the pre-spun tabloids?

by Pershing36 18.05.13 14:35

Just been reading in the sun that the list of suspects or people of interest were already on file. Some are believed to be British, but living in Portugal. This evidence has arisen from the review of the files compiled by the PJ and the private investigation team.

So these names are not exactly new, they are ones picked out of files.

by plebgate 18.05.13 14:38

Pershing36 wrote:Just been reading in the sun that the list of suspects or people of interest were already on file. Some are believed to be British, but living in Portugal. This evidence has arisen from the review of the files compiled by the PJ and the private investigation team.

So these names are not exactly new, they are ones picked out of files.

Exactly Pershing that is probably why the Portugese police will not re-open the case, not new evidence.

I did read that the SY were reported as saying if these people were interviewed/re-interviewed that might lead to new evidence being brough out - but isn't that what most of us have been saying about the Tapas lot since the early days?

by Guest 18.05.13 14:41

Freud of the strawberry wodka's is no longer with us.

Murat is.

Could his demarche last week be interpreted as an attempt to pre-empt hisself being brought into a police station yet again?

Maybe he's aware of the direction of the review; if it goes -> whitewash McCs, then SY would have to come up with someone else, -> Murat (again)?

We do live in interesting times!

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by russiandoll 18.05.13 14:42

I have not heard one comment about McCann guilt or innocence anywhere, apart from tv news reports about lifted arguido status. As for M Brunt being in Portugal, this is the only news from the review since it began, so to the media it is a big story. Only a short flight away and not a big deal for him to be there imo.

Did Deborah Butler say where she got her info?

by plebgate 18.05.13 14:44

Yes Portia, that is what some were thinking last week, only he wont be avin any of it and neither will his old mum. Not without a good fight any how imo. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by jeanmonroe 18.05.13 14:53

chrissie wrote:martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Scot Yard says it has identified "more than a handful" of suspects for murder of Madeleine McCann in its review of Portuguese case

murder? He's obviously made a mistake

Yep! SAME 'MISTAKE' GERRY MADE!
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Gerry McCann: "There's no evidence that Madeleine is dead and there's no evidence to implicate us in her death"
"there's no evidence that Madeleine is dead and there's no evidence to implicate US in HER DEATH"
Question 1 is:- Why has McCann said her DEATH?
Has McCann, inadvertantly, just told the world that Madeleine IS dead?
As they have established the "FUND" on the pretext of using it for "searching" for a "live" Madeleine!
That has to be a bigger Freudian slip than Philomena's!
Thought she was alive and running free with the "outlaws" in PDL (Edgar)

Seems like Gerry is going to have to sue himself!
Fancying him saying that he wasn't involved in Madeleines DEATH.
That must have stopped loads and loads of people from searching for a 'live' Madeleine!
Didn't McCann recently proceed with a court case against somebody who dared to say what HE, himself said?

Maybe Carter F**K (McCann) vs Carter Suck (McCann) in a court room near you in the near future!

by aiyoyo 18.05.13 14:54

[quote="plebgate"]Come on Brunty keep it coming. He is out there for a reason deffo.[/quote

He was very active in PDL back then in 2007 and reported all sorts eg the broken neck, then apparently did a complete u-turn to become seemingly neutral, or simply fear being sued.

I believe he did not buy the Mccanns bull*** and like every skeptic waiting for Justice Day for Madeleine.
He's out there again to get first hand news so he must have a source or connection to a source inside the Police. And, he must heard wind of something brewing else it does not make sense to incur travel expenses.

by Cristobell 18.05.13 14:56

russiandoll wrote:I have not heard one comment about McCann guilt or innocence anywhere, apart from tv news reports about lifted arguido status. As for M Brunt being in Portugal, this is the only news from the review since it began, so to the media it is a big story. Only a short flight away and not a big deal for him to be there imo.

Did Deborah Butler say where she got her info?

Not sure I would agree on Martin Brunt being out there. He is their 'main man on the scene' in criminal cases and he has regularly reported on McCanns, I feel they may be following something relating to PDL, what he has given us so far could easily have been reported from the studio or outside SY. I wonder if any officers from SY are in PDL?

by Guest 18.05.13 14:58

Cristobell wrote:
russiandoll wrote:I have not heard one comment about McCann guilt or innocence anywhere, apart from tv news reports about lifted arguido status. As for M Brunt being in Portugal, this is the only news from the review since it began, so to the media it is a big story. Only a short flight away and not a big deal for him to be there imo.

Did Deborah Butler say where she got her info?

Not sure I would agree on Martin Brunt being out there. He is their 'main man on the scene' in criminal cases and he has regularly reported on McCanns, I feel they may be following something relating to PDL, what he has given us so far could easily have been reported from the studio or outside SY. I wonder if any officers from SY are in PDL?

What if there were?

They have no jurisdiction there!

by aiyoyo 18.05.13 15:03

Note:

Police said 20 "People of interests" from old files evidence that need to be eliminated and narrowed down.
Pinky did not spin the 20 as fresh leads. Merely said the Mccanns were very very delighted (notice the emphasing of very twice) with the Police progress, of no specific value - just a save face statement.

If it is 20 leads to the abductor then no need for the Police to announce that.

Mr & Mrs + their drinking buddies + a few of their immediate family members + close family friend - like children's godfather + a few more peripheral characters who are trustees of their funds + maybe PR-man thrown in the mix as people in the know, then 20 as a rough figure is about right.

by Cristobell 18.05.13 15:04

Portia wrote:
Cristobell wrote:
russiandoll wrote:I have not heard one comment about McCann guilt or innocence anywhere, apart from tv news reports about lifted arguido status. As for M Brunt being in Portugal, this is the only news from the review since it began, so to the media it is a big story. Only a short flight away and not a big deal for him to be there imo.

Did Deborah Butler say where she got her info?

Not sure I would agree on Martin Brunt being out there. He is their 'main man on the scene' in criminal cases and he has regularly reported on McCanns, I feel they may be following something relating to PDL, what he has given us so far could easily have been reported from the studio or outside SY. I wonder if any officers from SY are in PDL?

What if there were?

They have no jurisdiction there!

I mean perhaps they are in talks with the PJ, prior to any statement they may issue? We have been told many times that SY support the Portuguese investigation and that they have been liaising. However, having said that, I have read [on here] that Radio 4 and The Mail, are reporting the two police forces as being at loggerheads. As with so much of the reporting on this case, we can never be sure what is or isn't the truth.

by jeanmonroe 18.05.13 15:05

Philthecynic wrote:Sky news report comment to the effect that the McCanns cannot understand why Portuguese police do not resume the search.

Madeleine McCann's parents, Kate and Gerry, have never requested the re-opening of the investigation into their daughter's disappearance.

Neither the McCanns nor their lawyers have asked for the re-opening of the case, was confirmed by the office of the Chief Prosecutor of the Republic, putting an end to speculation.

Despite its being three years since the little British girl was reported missing, her parents have at no time taken the necessary steps for the Portuguese authorities - those who hold jurisdiction - to carry on with the case.

As a reminder, the investigation by the Portimao PJ's Department of Criminal Investigation was harmed when the McCanns and their friends left Portugal: the British people never wanted to participate in a reconstruction of the events surrounding Maddie's disappearance, blocking several diligences of the investigation.

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SAYS IT ALL!

by aiyoyo 18.05.13 15:10

Philthecynic wrote:Sky news report comment to the effect that the McCanns cannot understand why Portuguese police do not resume the search.

Because the Mccanns are the stupid ones, not the Portuguese Police.
They know the answer to that, but continue to keep the wool over the Public eyes, and in the process show themselves to be incorrigibly stupid.

by aiyoyo 18.05.13 15:15

Cristobell wrote:Very confusing. Martin Brunt has said the 'suspects' are foreign, ie, not British. That rules out the McCanns and Tapas.

The above would imply whitewash, but why is Brunt in PDL, and why aren't McCanns at their gate with Clarence, rejoicing at the news and and praying and lighting candles?

Foreign to the Portuguese, meaning not swarthy unkempt spottie egg faced man. Brits are definitely foreign to the Portuguese.

by jeanmonroe 18.05.13 15:29

Philthecynic wrote:Sky news report comment to the effect that the McCanns cannot understand why Portuguese police do not resume the search.

The PJ cannot understand why Kate and Gerry McCann themselves aren't in Portugal, right now, today, on their hands and knees 'seaching' the lawless villages around PDL for their beloved daughter.
The PJ cannot understand why the McCanns are not in Portugal, period!
The PJ cannot understand why the McCanns have never ever asked, personally, for the Portuguese authorities to un-shelved the case of their missing child, a right they are entitled to.
The PJ cannot understand why the SY detective has said 'everything we have done is to SUPPORT the PJ in their investigation"
And then proceed to call the PJ 'thicko's' for not finding the 20 'suspects'
The PJ cannot understand why SY are not personally escorting the McCanns and their friends back to Portugal to re-construct their version of events of 3rd May 2007.
The PJ cannot understand................................
Etc, etc.

by aiyoyo 18.05.13 15:36

Pershing36 wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
tiny wrote:Ididnt think this news such a big deal,or is something is going to happen

Judging by Kate's pre-empting move in PDL recently, I should think something is afoot.

She would hardly go to PDL if she thought SY had named her as a suspect again, she could easily be arrested. Whatever was announced yesterday the McCann's new about well before.

Maybe KM and Martin Brunt went out there just in case the PJ started pulling in these people of interest?

As the days go on more and more information will trickle out. I wouldn't be at all surprised if these people of interest turn out to be those cleaners reported a while back, the ones in the Transit. They may have names for them now as they were clearly trying to trace them.

I am sorry but the chances of this not being a SY Whitewash have shrunk severely. If they suspected any of them there that night they wouldn't be sending the PJ on a wild goose chase with these latest names. SY do not need the PJ for any suspect in the UK so they must be looking for people living out there. Seeing that everyone that night fled to the UK bar Murat, then these must be new people.

I believe the Portuguese judiciary protocol would prohibit arresting her on sight.
If the Police were going to investigate cleaners, and all and sundries, they could have done it discretely without making public announcement about a mundane police operation.

I bet she went there to sign new affidavit to delay their trial against Amaral in light of this new development.
Possibly her lawyers via her connections would might have got wind of the change of tide which would be very detrimental to their vs Amaral, and they have been warned, hence the tears at the outdoor church service at the War Memorial.

Filing a vexatious case is not the same as filing a fraudalent case setting up an innocent for ruin with pre-knowledge that their accusations were false and malicious done with deliberate intent to harm and destroy an innocent man.
While vexatious case may be a nuisance, punishable by fine or slap on the wrist or case thrown out, deliberate false accusation to harm someone is a serious criminal offence punishable probably by custodial sentence.

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