Re: Chelsea Hoffman: "Tony Bennett is credible in his opinions"

by Guest 26.02.13 9:14

Leafylane wrote:

[...] I don't find it at all strange that they were reluctant to tell KM of JT's sighting. She was already in the most terrible state of fear and anxiety, why add to that distress when during those first few hours hopes would be high that she may be found at any minute and returned? They had no way of knowing at the time they made that decision that that wasn't going to happen.

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Wouldn't that same argument have been valid for rather not calling aging parents, family and friends in the middle of the night within a few hours after her "disappearance"?

by Leafylane 26.02.13 9:44

Châtelaine wrote:
Leafylane wrote:

[...] I don't find it at all strange that they were reluctant to tell KM of JT's sighting. She was already in the most terrible state of fear and anxiety, why add to that distress when during those first few hours hopes would be high that she may be found at any minute and returned? They had no way of knowing at the time they made that decision that that wasn't going to happen.
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Wouldn't that same argument have been valid for rather not calling aging parents, family and friends in the middle of the night within a few hours after her "disappearance"?

I don't think so Chatelaine, when something terrible happens you do turn to your nearest and dearest. I think that's a normal human instinct. Even more so IMO if you are miles away in a foreign country.

by worriedmum 26.02.13 10:15

But leafylane, how could you be ringing up at the same time as you are frantically searching everywhere and calling your child's name?
And if your friend and husband knew she might be the child being carried by a stranger,why wouldn't they tell the police to look for him straight away? What possible advantage would there be TO THE MISSING CHILD to wait?

by Miraflores 26.02.13 10:28

worriedmum wrote:But leafylane, how could you be ringing up at the same time as you are frantically searching everywhere and calling your child's name?
And if your friend and husband knew she might be the child being carried by a stranger,why wouldn't they tell the police to look for him straight away? What possible advantage would there be TO THE MISSING CHILD to wait?

Now if I had been in their shoes, I think the men would have gone and organised a search whilst the women stayed with the existing children. I personally would call my mother in those circumstances, because she would offer emotional support. I wouldn't have called my Mother in Law because she is MrsWorryGuts personified, and she would have made matters worse.

Never in a million years would I have thought to call the press.

by Guest 26.02.13 10:30

Leafylane wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:
Leafylane wrote:

[...] I don't find it at all strange that they were reluctant to tell KM of JT's sighting. She was already in the most terrible state of fear and anxiety, why add to that distress when during those first few hours hopes would be high that she may be found at any minute and returned? They had no way of knowing at the time they made that decision that that wasn't going to happen.
***
Wouldn't that same argument have been valid for rather not calling aging parents, family and friends in the middle of the night within a few hours after her "disappearance"?

I don't think so Chatelaine, when something terrible happens you do turn to your nearest and dearest. I think that's a normal human instinct. Even more so IMO if you are miles away in a foreign country.

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I may have a totally different human instinct then. To give you an example: when long time ago my first husband died at 1am, I did NOT call my parents. In fact I didn't call anyone, apart from my younger brother, who was staying with at the time, and asked him if he could come to the hospital. I then waited until 7am before I called my other brother, who was living near my parents, and asked him to GO and tell them in person.

I still see no need whatsoever to call people in the dead of night and unnecessarily worry them, as your missing daughter could indeed be found any minute. The "human instinct" is to go out and search and search to try and find the missing little one. And don't mention "it was dark", please ...

by skater58 26.02.13 10:40

Hi Leafylane, Perhaps you have never seen this video where Kate ADMITS to never searching. She also never says a word about going out for the big hour she talks about in her book in addition and very importantly (to me) she never says a word about being alone in this "early am search". In fact, according to Jane, she has admitted to knowing about the massive efforts people went thru to help by giving up work etc. She is nodding her head and it seems to me if no one had been looking she would have spoken up right then. If for no reason to get folks moving but alas she didn't, wonder why??

Hope the video goes thru, I have never done it before.:) If not, perhaps one of the more advanced techy posters can help, please>:)

This video is why I question her book version....wouldn't you?

by worriedmum 26.02.13 10:42

if it was dark it would make me even more frantic and determined to search-how scared would a little one be?

by russiandoll 26.02.13 10:58

From Leafylane :

How differently we see thing Inspector F. I don't find it at all strange
that they were reluctant to tell KM of JT's sighting. She was already
in the most terrible state of fear and anxiety, why add to that distress
when during those first few hours hopes would be high that she may be
found at any minute and returned? They had no way of knowing at the
time they made that decision that that wasn't going to happen.

re the above in bold : you can't be serious? JT told the group that with hindsight, the child she saw being carried away by a strange man could have been Maddie and hopes were high that she would be found and returned?

You see things in a very illogical way I am afraid LL.

by Guest 26.02.13 10:59

The video is working fine. Well done, Skater :-)
It's quite a painful moment, isn't it ?

IIRC she's talking about not going out searching in the dark on the Ophra interview.

by **PeterMac** 26.02.13 11:12

It is absolutely ludicrous.
If you knew that the abductor had been seen in a particular place walking in a particular direction, would you not concentrate the search along the route, and then begin to search for clues long the way.
Given that she might have been dumped as his arms grew tired, there surely must have been a chance that she was in a hedge, and possibly still alive, even if heavily sedated.
NOT to search under those conditions is beyond belief.
Gerry, we must remember, went to bed and slept soundly for some hours.
Kate "kept vigil" whatever the hell that means, doing absolutely nothing, until it got light, when she went for what sounds like a cross country run
Everyone else in the resort searched, but it is slightly unclear whether the information about the sighting was passed to the police organising the search at that stage, to enable them to concentrate on the area to the east of the apartment.

by russiandoll 26.02.13 11:17

PeterMac wrote:It is such an extraordinary thing to include in he book, that I make no apologies for including it in full, so that everyone can see that this is not a forum myth. These are her own words, censored and picked over by everyone who helped.

6
FRIDAY 4 MAY
Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents.[ MAYBE OTHERS, AND THERE WERE MANY ACCORDING TO RECORDS, WHO WERE LOOKING OUTSIDE WHILE YOU BOTH WERE INDOORS OVERNIGHT, HAD GONE HOME TO CATCH A LITTLE MUCH NEEDED REST]
We must have been out for at least an hour before returning to David and Fiona’s apartment, [ YOU THINK THIS IS SEARCHING FOR YOUR OWN MISSING CHILD........ONE HOUR ? ]where Sean and Amelie were now up and about. The twins, distracted by having Lily and Scarlett to play with, didn’t mention Madeleine, mercifully.[ I BET YOU WERE RELIEVED , BUT THIS IMO WAS NOT THE DAY WHEN THEY "WOKE UP AND NOTICED MADDIE WAS GONE ONE DAY" AS YOU HAVE SAID IN AN INTERVIEW ]Russell, Jane, Matt, Rachael and their children began to arrive. People kept telling me to have some breakfast but I couldn’t eat. I had no appetite and my throat was constricted with anxiety.[ I BELIEVE YOU WERE ANXIOUS, BUT ANXIETY THAT MORNING NOT FOR YOUR STATED REASONS ] In any case, how could I think about eating now? There wasn’t time to eat. Someone had Madeleine and we had to find her. [ NO TIME FOR FOOD NOW..WHAT WERE YOU ABOUT TO BE SO BUSY WITH? DID YOU RUSH OUT TO SEARCH AGAIN SEEING AS YOU HAD TO FIND HER ?]
That morning I learned of the man Jane had seen in the street. Although Gerry and our friends had been trying to protect me from further distress by not telling me about this sooner, when they did I was strangely relieved.[ STRANGE INDEED, LIKE YOUR LATER REACTION TO SEEING THE DOG ALERTS........YOU HEAR YOUR DAUGHTER HAS BEEN POSSIBLY SEEN, CARRIED AWAY BY AN UNKNOWN MALE.......AND YOU FEEL RELIEVED?] Madeleine hadn’t just disappeared off the face of the earth.[NO, ABDUCTED BY A PAEDOPHILE ACCORDING TO YOUR HUSBAND.....AND YOU FELT RELIEVED? ]
There was something to work on.
[ INDEED THERE WAS ,AS YOU TOLD JANE HILL....YOU WERE WORKING REALLY HARD. ON WHAT EXACTLY? BECAUSE YOU ADMITTED THAT YOU DID NOT SEARCH...OH YES, WORK ON THE WIDER AGENDA.]

by skater58 26.02.13 11:21

Yes, it is a painful moment for sure.:) I though the journalist, Jane Hill, was brilliant in how she set that little segment up..just brilliant. I thought Kate looked like she wanted to "spit nails" and was thinking to herself, "we thought you were our friend and that's why we agreed to sit down with you." This is just my opinion though; I could be totally wrong.

by bristow 26.02.13 11:33

russiandoll wrote:][/color][/b]
We must have been [b]out for at least an hour before returning to David and Fiona’s apartment, [ YOU THINK THIS IS SEARCHING FOR YOUR OWN MISSING CHILD........ONE HOUR ? ][/b

I lost my dog the other day and searched for him for three hours.

ETA It was 5pm when I started searching, so getting dark too.

by ShuBob 26.02.13 11:55

bobbin wrote:
PeterMac wrote:It is such an extraordinary thing to include in he book, that I make no apologies for including it in full, so that everyone can see that this is not a forum myth. These are her own words, censored and picked over by everyone who helped.

6
FRIDAY 4 MAY
Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents.
We must have been out for at least an hour before returning to David and Fiona’s apartment, where Sean and Amelie were now up and about. The twins, distracted by having Lily and Scarlett to play with, didn’t mention Madeleine, mercifully. Russell, Jane, Matt, Rachael and their children began to arrive. People kept telling me to have some breakfast but I couldn’t eat. I had no appetite and my throat was constricted with anxiety. In any case, how could I think about eating now? There wasn’t time to eat. Someone had Madeleine and we had to find her.
That morning I learned of the man Jane had seen in the street. Although Gerry and our friends had been trying to protect me from further distress by not telling me about this sooner, when they did I was strangely relieved. Madeleine hadn’t just disappeared off the face of the earth. There was something to work on.

There are no words in the English language to describe the above ........ just a face numbing, breath-depriving, disbelief.......head shaking, silently, in be-dazed be-wonder-ment.....where has this woman come from... it's one of those, flooring, wtf moments.

I have long been of the opinion the woman is not of sound mind. Far from it.

by mydadsanastronaut 26.02.13 12:34

PeterMac wrote:It is absolutely ludicrous.
If you knew that the abductor had been seen in a particular place walking in a particular direction, would you not concentrate the search along the route, and then begin to search for clues long the way.
Given that she might have been dumped as his arms grew tired, there surely must have been a chance that she was in a hedge, and possibly still alive, even if heavily sedated.
NOT to search under those conditions is beyond belief.
Gerry, we must remember, went to bed and slept soundly for some hours.
Kate "kept vigil" whatever the hell that means, doing absolutely nothing, until it got light, when she went for what sounds like a cross country run
Everyone else in the resort searched, but it is slightly unclear whether the information about the sighting was passed to the police organising the search at that stage, to enable them to concentrate on the area to the east of the apartment.

PeterMac,, I have bolded these words as they jumped out at me.

Am I right in thinking that in some religions that sitting with the dead or dying is referred to sitting or keeping vigil? If that's so, then these words are rather telling.

by Guest 26.02.13 12:39

skater58 wrote:Yes, it is a painful moment for sure.:) I though the journalist, Jane Hill, was brilliant in how she set that little segment up..just brilliant. I thought Kate looked like she wanted to "spit nails" and was thinking to herself, "we thought you were our friend and that's why we agreed to sit down with you." This is just my opinion though; I could be totally wrong.

I agree with what you say here. Kate was definitely flummoxed. It took her a few seconds to think about what to say...

by Guest 26.02.13 12:44

ShuBob wrote:
bobbin wrote:
PeterMac wrote:It is such an extraordinary thing to include in he book, that I make no apologies for including it in full, so that everyone can see that this is not a forum myth. These are her own words, censored and picked over by everyone who helped.

6
FRIDAY 4 MAY
Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents.
We must have been out for at least an hour before returning to David and Fiona’s apartment, where Sean and Amelie were now up and about. The twins, distracted by having Lily and Scarlett to play with, didn’t mention Madeleine, mercifully. Russell, Jane, Matt, Rachael and their children began to arrive. People kept telling me to have some breakfast but I couldn’t eat. I had no appetite and my throat was constricted with anxiety. In any case, how could I think about eating now? There wasn’t time to eat. Someone had Madeleine and we had to find her.
That morning I learned of the man Jane had seen in the street. Although Gerry and our friends had been trying to protect me from further distress by not telling me about this sooner, when they did I was strangely relieved. Madeleine hadn’t just disappeared off the face of the earth. There was something to work on.

There are no words in the English language to describe the above ........ just a face numbing, breath-depriving, disbelief.......head shaking, silently, in be-dazed be-wonder-ment.....where has this woman come from... it's one of those, flooring, wtf moments.

I have long been of the opinion the woman is not of sound mind. Far from it.

Maybe we shouldn't be surprised that the likes of Ian West/muratfan and Bonnybraes are Team McCann kling-ons cos they all sound barking mad.

by Guest 26.02.13 12:49

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=697420

It certainly is an expression which would be known by anyone raised as a Catholic.

by **tigger** 26.02.13 13:15

I presume it gets light at least around 6.00 a.m. in PdL. (please correct)
Whilst they were jumping into ditches etc. they must have had the mobiles glued to their ears?
Here's the list:

6.02.08 am Mum mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.04.11 am Kate calls Mum mob (0 seconds) SMS
6.05.29 am Kate calls Amanda home (7.02 minutes)
6.08.17 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

6.18.17 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS
6.34.53 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.35.23 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
6.39.38 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS
6.47.42 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.47.54 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.48.05 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.59.12 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.59.44 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS

07.00 am GNR Officer P. J. F. N. saw the McCann couple alone in the street next to the site where they were stationed.

7.06.06 am Sue and Brian Healy call Gerry (01 seconds) SMS
7.09.04 am John McCann calls Gerry (3.26 minutes)
7.15.19 am Gerry calls Angela Morado UK Consulate (4.51 minutes)
7.23.20 am … calls Gerry (5.53 minutes)
7.41.14 am Jill mob calls Kate (3.30 minutes)
7.44.48 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
7.46.36 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
7.48.12 am … calls Kate (373 seconds)
7.51.14 am … calls Kate (1.26 minutes)
8.06.14 am mum mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
8.07.52 am Kate calls mum mob (0 seconds) SMS
8.11.35 am Jill mob calls Kate (1.56 minutes)
8.21.21 am Jill mob calls Kate (153 seconds)
8.27.26 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
8.28.30 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
8.29.56 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
8.31.00 am Kate calls Michelle mob (3 seconds)
8.31.21 am Jill mob calls Kate (2.33 minutes)
8.34.09 am Kate calls … (32 seconds)
8.34.19 am Kate calls Jon Corner (61 seconds)
8.34.59 am voicemail calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
8.35.15 am Gerry calls Angela Morado, UK consulate (1.43 minutes)
8.35.21 am Kate calls voicemail (20 seconds)
8.36.03 am Kate calls voicemail (37 seconds)

8.45.20 am Kate calls … (136 seconds)
8.50.27 am Gerry calls Angela Morado, UK consulate (4.47 minutes)
8.51.42 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
8.52.41 am Kate calls Jon Corner (73 seconds)
8.56.15 am Kate calls Nuala (47 seconds)
8.57.17 am Jill mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.01.55 am … calls Gerry (1.46 minutes)
9.04.16 am … calls Gerry (1.28 minutes)
9.05.38 am anonymous number calls Gerry (2.12 minutes)
9.09.32 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.09.44 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.09.56 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.10.39 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
9.12.04 am Geteesha mob calls Kate (262 seconds)
9.14.28 am UK consulate in Portugal calls Gerry (3.58 minutes)
9.16.07 am … calls Gerry (1 second)
9.25.51 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.26.03 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.29.18 am Jill mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.33.11 am Michelle & Jon call Kate (5.35 minutes)
9.34.42 am Voicemail calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.45.21 am Fiona & Richard call Kate (1.45 minutes)

by lufc50337 26.02.13 13:26

The problem IMO is that KM tries to write the book as she thinks the mother of an abducted child would but gets it wrong because she isn't and also the truth inadvertently leaks out in places

They will have gone over the book pre printing numerous times to make sure there's nothing incriminating and yet they still miss things that are obvious to us because they are looking at it from the wrong angle as not really parents of an abducted child

by russiandoll 26.02.13 15:52

Shubob : "I have long been of the opinion the woman is not of sound mind. Far from it."

I could not agree more. Kate seems to have created an alternate reality, doesn't she?

by **PeterMac** 26.02.13 16:15

russiandoll wrote:Shubob : "I have long been of the opinion the woman is not of sound mind. Far from it."
I could not agree more. Kate seems to have created an alternate reality, doesn't she?

A hell of her own making, perhaps.

by Leafylane 26.02.13 17:13

russiandoll wrote:From Leafylane :

How differently we see thing Inspector F. I don't find it at all strange
that they were reluctant to tell KM of JT's sighting. She was already
in the most terrible state of fear and anxiety, why add to that distress
when during those first few hours hopes would be high that she may be
found at any minute and returned? They had no way of knowing at the
time they made that decision that that wasn't going to happen.

re the above in bold : you can't be serious? JT told the group that with hindsight, the child she saw being carried away by a strange man could have been Maddie and hopes were high that she would be found and returned?

You see things in a very illogical way I am afraid LL.

I don't think it's illogical to think she may have been found dumped along the road somewhere, or that the person(s) who took may have been seen and caught with her - it's certainly not impossible anyway.

It's easy to criticise other people's actions when you have the benefit and 20-20 vision of hindsight and are sitting comfortably relaxed at home. The McCanns and their friends had just been hurled into the worst of all nightmares - and were having to make decisions there and then, in an atmosphere of increasing anxiety and panic and in a situation which none of them had ever experienced before.

Perhaps with the benefit of hindsight they may have thought they could have done things differently - who knows? The fact that they were in a foreign country where they didn't speak the language and had no idea of how the police dealt with missing children as opposed to in their own country made matters a lot more difficult for them IMO.

by bobbin 26.02.13 17:23

tigger wrote:I presume it gets light at least around 6.00 a.m. in PdL. (please correct)
Whilst they were jumping into ditches etc. they must have had the mobiles glued to their ears?
Here's the list:

6.02.08 am Mum mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.04.11 am Kate calls Mum mob (0 seconds) SMS
6.05.29 am Kate calls Amanda home (7.02 minutes)
6.08.17 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

6.18.17 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS
6.34.53 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.35.23 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
6.39.38 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS
6.47.42 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.47.54 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.48.05 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.59.12 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.59.44 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS

07.00 am GNR Officer P. J. F. N. saw the McCann couple alone in the street next to the site where they were stationed.

7.06.06 am Sue and Brian Healy call Gerry (01 seconds) SMS
7.09.04 am John McCann calls Gerry (3.26 minutes)
7.15.19 am Gerry calls Angela Morado UK Consulate (4.51 minutes)
7.23.20 am … calls Gerry (5.53 minutes)
7.41.14 am Jill mob calls Kate (3.30 minutes)
7.44.48 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
7.46.36 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
7.48.12 am … calls Kate (373 seconds)
7.51.14 am … calls Kate (1.26 minutes)
8.06.14 am mum mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
8.07.52 am Kate calls mum mob (0 seconds) SMS
8.11.35 am Jill mob calls Kate (1.56 minutes)
8.21.21 am Jill mob calls Kate (153 seconds)
8.27.26 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
8.28.30 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
8.29.56 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
8.31.00 am Kate calls Michelle mob (3 seconds)
8.31.21 am Jill mob calls Kate (2.33 minutes)
8.34.09 am Kate calls … (32 seconds)
8.34.19 am Kate calls Jon Corner (61 seconds)
8.34.59 am voicemail calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
8.35.15 am Gerry calls Angela Morado, UK consulate (1.43 minutes)
8.35.21 am Kate calls voicemail (20 seconds)
8.36.03 am Kate calls voicemail (37 seconds)

8.45.20 am Kate calls … (136 seconds)
8.50.27 am Gerry calls Angela Morado, UK consulate (4.47 minutes)
8.51.42 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
8.52.41 am Kate calls Jon Corner (73 seconds)
8.56.15 am Kate calls Nuala (47 seconds)
8.57.17 am Jill mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.01.55 am … calls Gerry (1.46 minutes)
9.04.16 am … calls Gerry (1.28 minutes)
9.05.38 am anonymous number calls Gerry (2.12 minutes)
9.09.32 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.09.44 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.09.56 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.10.39 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
9.12.04 am Geteesha mob calls Kate (262 seconds)
9.14.28 am UK consulate in Portugal calls Gerry (3.58 minutes)
9.16.07 am … calls Gerry (1 second)
9.25.51 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.26.03 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.29.18 am Jill mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.33.11 am Michelle & Jon call Kate (5.35 minutes)
9.34.42 am Voicemail calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
9.45.21 am Fiona & Richard call Kate (1.45 minutes)

Good god, and yet she has the idiocy to go into print and do interviews claiming they went out for an hour at light and then got back to Fiona and David's apartment for breakfast, with the kids all happily playing with each other and not missing Madeleine at all, which according to Kate was really rather convenient.
Just Kate couldn't manage her breakfast, but I'm sure Gerry did, because if he hadn't Kate would have extended her already sad and sorry tale to make them even more victims of events which nobody else was trying hard enough to make right for them.
Perhaps someone should have thought to offer her a little warm milk with a little whisky in it, a hot toddy to ease her pain.... no, no-one thought of tempting her with that, they were all too damned selfish and thinking only of themselves and how to save their skins. Perhaps if the abductor had just brought Maddie back Kate might have got her appetite back, but then maybe not, that wouldn't have suited the wider agenda. Chelsea Hoffman: "Tony Bennett is credible in his opinions" - Page 2 173510

Chelsea Hoffman: "Tony Bennett is credible in his opinions" - Page 2 173510

by Guest 26.02.13 17:49

Leafylane wrote:
Inspectorfrost wrote:Incredibly she says they did that - even though Gerry KNEW of the "sighting", but he did not tell her until later that day ! ! ! !
Is this at all credible ?

Red flag that NO ONE thought to tell KM about JTs sighting even though JT told most people quickly

Your best friends know JT saw a person carrying a child away and they keep it from you, not to hurt your feelings makes sense, not

How differently we see thing Inspector F. I don't find it at all strange that they were reluctant to tell KM of JT's sighting. She was already in the most terrible state of fear and anxiety, why add to that distress when during those first few hours hopes would be high that she may be found at any minute and returned? They had no way of knowing at the time they made that decision that that wasn't going to happen.

Madeleine by Kate Mccann
Friday 4th May 2007 before 8.00am

I have never felt any anger or disappointment whatsoever
towards Jane. On the contrary, I was grateful someone had seen something. I'm
sure this experience has been a terrible burden for her to carry around with her
every day since and I do feel for her. There have been many occasions when I
have visualized myself walking up that road instead of Jane. Would I even have
noticed the man and child? Seen that it was my daughter? Would it have dawned on
me, out of the blue, what was happening? If not, after going into the apartment
and finding Madeleine missing, would I instantly have made the connection and
been able to chase after him? I've even pictured myself catching up with him and
grabbing him by the shoulder. Saving Madeleine.

Does that sound very realistic to you?

by worriedmum 26.02.13 17:52

Leafylane you said

'perhaps with the benefit of hindsight they may have thought they could
have done things differently - who knows? The fact that they were in a
foreign country where they didn't speak the language and had no idea of
how the police dealt with missing children...'

which is exactly what would make me want to be out there looking, shouting in a language my child understood and expecting her to hear me so that I could find her.
There seems IMO to be a lack of empathy for the point of view of the missing child in your statements- a child who for some reason Kate thought might be 'cowering' in the apartment- so why couldn't she then be 'cowering' outside, in the bushes? Didn't they say the patio doors were unlocked in their statements? IIRC Kate said she wasn't told about Jane Tanner's UNTIL MUCH LATER. So logically Madeleine could have wandered outside? Wouldn't you have flown at the last person to check and said 'Are you absolutely sure you shut the doors?Or were they open when you checked, because you said you didn't actually see Madeleine? '

Personally I would just have to be out there looking.I couldn't not.

by tiny 26.02.13 17:58

why were the mccanns and tapas friends NOT out looking all night,Madeleine would have reconized there voices if she was ABLE to hear them call her name

by Monty Heck 26.02.13 17:59

"The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents."
The stand out statement. The most horrific thing was that THEY were alone.

by Miraflores 26.02.13 19:44

Leafylane you said

'perhaps with the benefit of hindsight they may have thought they could
have done things differently - who knows? The fact that they were in a
foreign country where they didn't speak the language and had no idea of
how the police dealt with missing children...'

This assumes that the McCanns went back and found Madeleine missing. But why then tell obvious porkies about shutters being jemmied which would immediately be proved untrue in the light of day? Why go round telling people that she had been abducted by paedophiles? That's one of the last things that anyone would want for their child.

Well, maybe, stress, as you say, does strange things to people, but it's things like that that made people who were initially sympathetic begin to think - there is something wrong here. They are not being entirely straight.

Fast forward four years:

Why go on television and say that 'they never made much of her eye, you couldn't really see it, it was just a fleck',when all the posters at the time said 'Look' and had a representation of the eye defect. There are pictures of Kate holding said poster up, and Gerry wearing a T-shirt with it on, so it's not as though it was done without their knowledge. There were so many 'Look' posters around, that it seems a little silly to pretend that they never made much of it, why not just say they regretted this?

by Inspectorfrost 26.02.13 20:26

Monty Heck wrote:"The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents."
The stand out statement. The most horrific thing was that THEY were alone.

Perhaps that was because people were out searching till 4.30 in the morning? Silly people, going to rest before they started again the next day and for weeks after that.