Re: The Sunday Marr Show 17 February

by russiandoll 17.02.13 15:45

There is a point when Gerry is as usual in full flow and EM tries
to ask a question based on what he is saying. Gerry mentioned his own individual circumstances. Gerry ignores EM and just
continues pontificating. Reminds me of one of those bores at a dinner
table who hold court thinking everyone is entranced by what he/she is
saying , no thought given to any comment that might intrude on your
"speech ", just carry on with your agenda...and that nasal whiney
voice........give me strength.

Intreresting to note that this had been well run- through re what would be asked and who
would reply. Kate hardly took her eyes off Gerry when he spoke, and
turned to EM as if she knew that Gerry had finished what he wanted to say. She
usually turned from EM to Gerry once a question asked , knowing he was
the one to reply.
She barely spoke, and when she did ,although Gerry paid attention to her, it was fleeting ; his gaze wandered towards EM.
An interesting dynamic.

No sense of irony as usual from Mr McCann, his daughter's safety is treated with contempt by the media.

No real passion in their voices over this hot topic. She sounded irritated and
annoyed that what they want is not forthcoming, saying a reply from an editor made her blood boil was stated in a voice devoid of emotion. He was full of
predictable cliche -ridden politician -speak.

by Mirage 17.02.13 16:21

quote Spaniel:
This one mirage, that candyfloss put up
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/378248/McCanns-hit-out-at-press-plans[/quote]

Thanks Spaniel.

by **tigger** 17.02.13 16:24

This was rehearsed, not a live interview. Kate herself wrote in the diary that they sometimes rehearsed interviews for hours.
She is not very articulate and motormouth Gerry probably needs her hand on his thigh to tell him to stop at some point.
Gerry's hair was so shorn that it looked as if he was just out of prison. big grin

by Mrs Beeton 17.02.13 16:26

Tony Bennett wrote:
Mrs Beeton wrote:I've just watched them on Andrew Marr (thanks to HiDeHo for posting the clip). Gerry wants a regulator to "protect the interests of the public". This is Newspeak a la George Orwell in 1984. He says he knows that the "vast majority of MPs" are in full support of Leveson. That should make the public very very suspicious if they weren't already.
Just another reminder that back in December I began a petition on the Prime Minister's website IN SUPPORT OF increased SELF-regulation of the press - and IN OPPOSITION to Leveson-style state regulation as demanded by the McCanns, here's the link if you would like to sign - and please tell others about it:

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/42582

Slowly but surely we're catching up with the numbers on the pro-Leveson petition, which was started before mine.

The NHS scandals currnetly being exposed by whistleblowers and our press are all the proof we need that we need a robust free press, even if some times it does get things wrong...

I was one of the early signers of your petition; I read about it while I was a lurker on this site and signed it right away (with my real name!). I'm glad you reminded me of the link. We should all be encouraging people to sign it. I will put it on my fb page.

by Smokeandmirrors 17.02.13 16:27

Every time the McCann duo utter a word, there is a Tsunami of anger from the public, is this the press' plan? Is this how they will get their revenge? Keep printing and giving these two airtime, and without actually doing anything, they are letting the Mc's ruin themselves. Just a thought.

by celtclogs 17.02.13 16:41

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Gerry and Kate have SUCH a nerve saying the press are endangering Madeleine! THEY endangered her and now she has vanished off the face of the earth. Kate said they were watched, so if there had not been repeated neglect, there would have been no opportunity to be exploited.

Kate and Gerry (or whoever spies here on your behalf) …...
Just SHUT UP the pair of you, the British public AND the press AND David Cameron are ALL completely fed up with this endless whinging and demanding behaviour. The British public don't want everything changed at YOUR say-so. We don't respect the horrible way you've behaved these past 5 1/2 yrs, we don't agree with your inconsistent stories and we sure as hell DON'T want our press gagged. If you don't like the attention you so craved, stay OFF our TV screens, and shut the hell up so they don't keep bringing your name into the papers. YOU are doing this, creating this ridiculous hullaballoo wherever you go, just SHUT UP and stay at home and look after your twins. Leave everyone else alone and they will leave you alone. Before you left your kids alone, no-one knew who you were. You're famous for being selfish parents who want everything your own way. End of story.

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by russiandoll 17.02.13 16:42

some comments on youtube :

They tour the world when sources of new sightings come out, you find
them on the other side of the Planet doing talk shows, I'm starting to
think she doesn't even exist & it's a distraction from something
else Sad

Gag, Gag, Gag. Brilliant, as usual, Hideho!

Kate - I'd like to see the response from the editor that you say you
received because I believe you to be, at best, economical with the truth
and at worst... I won't go into your worst. If Gerry and Kate had the
power to silence the world - they would.

Is this the same woman who wrote in her book about her thoughts of
Madeleine's precious parts being torn apart? Is this the woman who said
she would forgive and pray for the person who took her daughter but for
the policeman that gave up his life looking for the truth she called
him a fucking tosser. Vile woman. She has no place to speak out on
anything at all other than her own fucking shame.

"We still have episodes that we have published that we would rather not have published".

Please , please will someone stop this merry go round once and for all.

Gerry is not giving her a hand to hold onto. The body language in this speaks volumes.

Child neglectors the force behind the annihilation of the Free Press.

I don't think so.

Liar, liar, pants on fire! Talking about Madeleine's safety? Here's an
idea. Don't leave your kids alone while you go out boozing. Don't drug
them so you won't be disturbed at night. Don't lie to your remaining
children, because one day they will find out the truth.

by celtclogs 17.02.13 16:50

Tony Bennett wrote:
Mrs Beeton wrote:I've just watched them on Andrew Marr (thanks to HiDeHo for posting the clip). Gerry wants a regulator to "protect the interests of the public". This is Newspeak a la George Orwell in 1984. He says he knows that the "vast majority of MPs" are in full support of Leveson. That should make the public very very suspicious if they weren't already.
Just another reminder that back in December I began a petition on the Prime Minister's website IN SUPPORT OF increased SELF-regulation of the press - and IN OPPOSITION to Leveson-style state regulation as demanded by the McCanns, here's the link if you would like to sign - and please tell others about it:

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/42582

Slowly but surely we're catching up with the numbers on the pro-Leveson petition, which was started before mine.

The NHS scandals currnetly being exposed by whistleblowers and our press are all the proof we need that we need a robust free press, even if sometimes it does get things wrong...

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I can.t sign as I now live in Holland

by mydadsanastronaut 17.02.13 17:20

So, Gerry wants a regulator to protect the interests of the public.

But if I remember correctly, Sir Christopher Meyer stated publically at a Select Committee that he had told Gerry that the Press Complaints Commission could stop all negative stories from appearing in the papers. But, he advised them that such an action would bring them no financial compensation for the stories that had been published ; he confirmed that he told the McCanns that if it was money they were after, they would have to sue.

So, there were already remedies in place that could have stopped the "hurtful" press coverage. but these would have brought no financial benefit. So they were not pursued.

Speaks volumes about priorities, doesn't it?

by Spaniel 17.02.13 17:23

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Every time the McCann duo utter a word, there is a Tsunami of anger from the public, is this the press' plan? Is this how they will get their revenge? Keep printing and giving these two airtime, and without actually doing anything, they are letting the Mc's ruin themselves. Just a thought.

Nice thought but rather too hopeful I suspect.

Most people it seems want to do their job and pay the mortgage, all the while keeping their head down. I daresay that goes for editors as well. Their main responsibility is to their advertisers, which is the real reason the NOTW closed, they were tainted and no one wanted to advertise with them.

The days of gutsy journalists and editors with freedom to expose swindling Councils and the like have long gone. I suspect they're more likely to sit in front of a computer waiting for a release from the Press Association or the likes of Clarence and similar, rather than doorstepping.

Even in PdL, the press presence was contained. Quote from a Trip Advisor reviewer on holiday at MW in August 2007.
"The press was at a distance and I didn't feel their presence around."

I wasn't convinced that the press were camped outside the McCann's front door, terrifying the children as they stated. When I watched the news, the press were at the end of the private cul de sac, on the main road, guarded by police to prevent entry.
I remember the postman being waved through.

by Guest 17.02.13 17:36

tigger wrote:This was rehearsed, not a live interview. Kate herself wrote in the diary that they sometimes rehearsed interviews for hours.
She is not very articulate and motormouth Gerry probably needs her hand on his thigh to tell him to stop at some point.
Gerry's hair was so shorn that it looked as if he was just out of prison.

Thuggish

by Guest 17.02.13 17:39

mydadsanastronaut wrote:So, Gerry wants a regulator to protect the interests of the public.

But if I remember correctly, Sir Christopher Meyer stated publically at a Select Committee that he had told Gerry that the Press Complaints Commission could stop all negative stories from appearing in the papers. But, he advised them that such an action would bring them no financial compensation for the stories that had been published ; he confirmed that he told the McCanns that if it was money they were after, they would have to sue.

So, there were already remedies in place that could have stopped the "hurtful" press coverage. but these would have brought no financial benefit. So they were not pursued.

Speaks volumes about priorities, doesn't it?

Honour does not pay the mortgage.

Extortion does.

by Smokeandmirrors 17.02.13 18:06

Portia wrote:
mydadsanastronaut wrote:So, Gerry wants a regulator to protect the interests of the public.

But if I remember correctly, Sir Christopher Meyer stated publically at a Select Committee that he had told Gerry that the Press Complaints Commission could stop all negative stories from appearing in the papers. But, he advised them that such an action would bring them no financial compensation for the stories that had been published ; he confirmed that he told the McCanns that if it was money they were after, they would have to sue.

So, there were already remedies in place that could have stopped the "hurtful" press coverage. but these would have brought no financial benefit. So they were not pursued.

Speaks volumes about priorities, doesn't it?

Honour does not pay the mortgage.
Extortion does.

Sums the whole attitude of the McCanns perfectly. Money, self importance, entitlement, a bit more self importance, more money and so on. Never seen anything like it from so called "victims" before! It's very ugly to see.

by Cristobell 17.02.13 18:15

Mrs Beeton wrote:Decent journalists must feel really emasculated and peed off with the whole charade. I hope revenge is sweet and protracted! I wonder if there was any conversation with Sinead O' Connor on the show? She is not usually backwards in coming forwards with her opinions and I can't see her being in favour of statutory regulation of the press.

Sinead was great! Said told interviewer, 'just making idle chatter til you ask me something sensible' lol.

by Guest 17.02.13 19:27

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Every time the McCann duo utter a word, there is a Tsunami of anger from the public, is this the press' plan? Is this how they will get their revenge? Keep printing and giving these two airtime, and without actually doing anything, they are letting the Mc's ruin themselves. Just a thought.

Please follow Textusa; she's right on top of this issue.

by Guest 17.02.13 19:33

Smokeandmirrors wrote:
Portia wrote:
mydadsanastronaut wrote:So, Gerry wants a regulator to protect the interests of the public.

But if I remember correctly, Sir Christopher Meyer stated publically at a Select Committee that he had told Gerry that the Press Complaints Commission could stop all negative stories from appearing in the papers. But, he advised them that such an action would bring them no financial compensation for the stories that had been published ; he confirmed that he told the McCanns that if it was money they were after, they would have to sue.

So, there were already remedies in place that could have stopped the "hurtful" press coverage. but these would have brought no financial benefit. So they were not pursued.

Speaks volumes about priorities, doesn't it?

Thank you.
As a foreigner, it is very hard for me to understand why the British public allow this charade to go on & on.

We tend to ask the question: what's in it for them.

The Media: obvious.
The Government: less obvious, and DC must still find a way to wiggle out of this one. But less so if Gerry comes out so strong on the side of the undemocrats and/or Labour. Please, read me right: Labour and Gerrys attitude are irreconcilable. Only Gerry hasn't understood this yet, and apparently thinks his best chance lies in alienating the present government. Poor sod.

Honour does not pay the mortgage.
Extortion does.

Sums the whole attitude of the McCanns perfectly. Money, self importance, entitlement, a bit more self importance, more money and so on. Never seen anything like it from so called "victims" before! It's very ugly to see.

by Beanie 17.02.13 19:49

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Gerry and Kate have SUCH a nerve saying the press are endangering Madeleine! THEY endangered her and now she has vanished off the face of the earth. Kate said they were watched, so if there had not been repeated neglect, there would have been no opportunity to be exploited.

Kate and Gerry (or whoever spies here on your behalf) …...
Just SHUT UP the pair of you, the British public AND the press AND David Cameron are ALL completely fed up with this endless whinging and demanding behaviour. The British public don't want everything changed at YOUR say-so. We don't respect the horrible way you've behaved these past 5 1/2 yrs, we don't agree with your inconsistent stories and we sure as hell DON'T want our press gagged. If you don't like the attention you so craved, stay OFF our TV screens, and shut the hell up so they don't keep bringing your name into the papers. YOU are doing this, creating this ridiculous hullaballoo wherever you go, just SHUT UP and stay at home and look after your twins. Leave everyone else alone and they will leave you alone. Before you left your kids alone, no-one knew who you were. You're famous for being selfish parents who want everything your own way. End of story.

Well said. thumbsup

by Liz Eagles 17.02.13 20:10

Each of the McCanns uttered the word 'transparency'. Is the Fund's dealings transparent? Do we see any slightly detailed accounts on their 37k website paid for by other people?

by Spaniel 17.02.13 20:17

Cristobell wrote:
Mrs Beeton wrote:Decent journalists must feel really emasculated and peed off with the whole charade. I hope revenge is sweet and protracted! I wonder if there was any conversation with Sinead O' Connor on the show? She is not usually backwards in coming forwards with her opinions and I can't see her being in favour of statutory regulation of the press.

Sinead was great! Said told interviewer, 'just making idle chatter til you ask me something sensible' lol.

Thats not great, that's ignorant!

by Liz Eagles 17.02.13 20:24

I'm adding to my previous post to say I think the word 'transparent' used by the McCanns today need to be applied to the Fund. It's simple money in, money out accounting isn't it?

by Guest 17.02.13 20:32

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Gerry and Kate have SUCH a nerve saying the press are endangering Madeleine! THEY endangered her and now she has vanished off the face of the earth. Kate said they were watched, so if there had not been repeated neglect, there would have been no opportunity to be exploited.

Kate and Gerry (or whoever spies here on your behalf) …...
Just SHUT UP the pair of you, the British public AND the press AND David Cameron are ALL completely fed up with this endless whinging and demanding behaviour. The British public don't want everything changed at YOUR say-so. We don't respect the horrible way you've behaved these past 5 1/2 yrs, we don't agree with your inconsistent stories and we sure as hell DON'T want our press gagged. If you don't like the attention you so craved, stay OFF our TV screens, and shut the hell up so they don't keep bringing your name into the papers. YOU are doing this, creating this ridiculous hullaballoo wherever you go, just SHUT UP and stay at home and look after your twins. Leave everyone else alone and they will leave you alone. Before you left your kids alone, no-one knew who you were. You're famous for being selfish parents who want everything your own way. End of story.

Such a good post... it's everything I would absolutely love to shout right into their faces every time they open their mouths on tv or in the press.... well said..

by Spaniel 17.02.13 20:33

aquila wrote:I'm adding to my previous post to say I think the word 'transparent' used by the McCanns today need to be applied to the Fund. It's simple money in, money out accounting isn't it?

In out in out shake it all about, more like aquila. Confusion is good.

by Smokeandmirrors 17.02.13 20:44

Thanks for the positive responses - a bit of an outburst from a frustrated onlooker, but really, it is all so very infuriating!

by Guest 17.02.13 20:53

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Thanks for the positive responses - a bit of an outburst from a frustrated onlooker, but really, it is all so very infuriating!

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by Buildersbum 17.02.13 21:09

Portia wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:Every time the McCann duo utter a word, there is a Tsunami of anger from the public, is this the press' plan? Is this how they will get their revenge? Keep printing and giving these two airtime, and without actually doing anything, they are letting the Mc's ruin themselves. Just a thought.

Please follow Textusa; she's right on top of this issue.

Does anyone have a link please! high5

by Inspectorfrost 17.02.13 21:17

Mccanns received at least 1,050milion £ in damages/donations with apologies from the papers. I have no other comments as it's all been very well said. I think GM is annoyed because he is not in control and not getting his way. The former Sunday Times editor that was on the show said something like the Royal Charter was more than enough and would be quite tough on journalists.

Amazing that both the Guardian and the Express are allowing comments, and what comments.

Last point, I can never forget his evidence at the Culture/Media committee where he said that he was the most maligned person in the press in all it's history. That is going back several hundreds of years at least! Talk about exagerration.

by **Tony Bennett** 17.02.13 21:25

Inspectorfrost wrote:Mccanns received at least 1,050milion £ in damages/donations with apologies from the papers. I have no other comments as it's all been very well said. I think GM is annoyed because he is not in control and not getting his way. The former Sunday Times editor that was on the show said something like the Royal Charter was more than enough and would be quite tough on journalists.

He said, quote: "It's not only got teeth, it's got jaws - editors and journalists can be fined up to £1 million"

by Inspectorfrost 17.02.13 21:33

Tony Bennett wrote:
Inspectorfrost wrote:Mccanns received at least 1,050milion £ in damages/donations with apologies from the papers. I have no other comments as it's all been very well said. I think GM is annoyed because he is not in control and not getting his way. The former Sunday Times editor that was on the show said something like the Royal Charter was more than enough and would be quite tough on journalists.
He said, quote: "It's not only got teeth, it's got jaws - editors and journalists can be fined up to £1 million"

!! gosh, and that's not enough of a nuclear deterrent for some, says it all. Thanks Tony.

PS I think GM looked so miserable because he knows it's a failed mission and that sticks in his craw. Similar to the court antics in Lisbon in 2010. This country, despite its injunctions, bars on some free speech, still on the whole supportive of freedom of expression. They didn't fight in two world wars to be dictated to or be suppressed by anyone. Even murderers have human rights to not be deported. Sheesh, it's a no brainer.

by Mirage 17.02.13 22:08

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Thanks for the positive responses - a bit of an outburst from a frustrated onlooker, but really, it is all so very infuriating!

Yes, brilliant post SM. It came straight from the heart - Pow!

I can tell you, I was feeling exactly the same after I watched this horrible pair pontificating on Marr this morning. Just who they think they are, I really don't know.

But I think they are on the wane. They both look desperate and isolated to my mind.

Serves them right! I hope they both grow Pinocchio noses.

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by Inspectorfrost 17.02.13 22:14

Angelita668:24pm on Sunday, 17th February 2013Report This Comment
Who do this couple think they are? I echo everything that has been said before. A couple whose only claim to fame is that they failed in their parental responsibility to take care of and protect their three small children. They were happy to court the press as long as things were going their way. Hopefully one day we will know the truth and see it in print. We have a right to know - they have cost the UK and Portugal millions of pounds.

buddha7:48pm on Sunday, 17th February 2013Report This Comment
The "fund" that they set up for **** was actually not a charity fund it was registered as their own private ltd company , they used donations to make payments on their mortgage , they had also stated they would share some of the money with other families of missing children , they have not fulfilled that .They have also used lawyers costing over £4 million I believe to sue and silence anyone that dares to question their account of the incident

246ate5:47pm on Sunday, 17th February 2013Report This Comment
I add my sentiments to those voiced here, I too have my doubts about the whole thing.

Shenandoah4:55pm on Sunday, 17th February 2013Report This Comment
I question the motives of these two. I always have. Only those with something to hide seek to muzzled the press, whether in Britain or in Portugal. The coverage of their daughter's disappearance was no more than less than would have been expected if some other couple had left their very young children alone while they wined and dined far enough away to be inaffective if some accident happened, and ultimately one of the children had disappeared. The Portuguese have their own idea as to what happened and that does not speak of a kidnapping. Nevertheless, this careless couple now want to turn their negligence into an attack on the British Press. The British Press was shamelessly used and abused by them. Once the **** realized that the media was not in lockstep admiration of them, they raised their voices i hysteria. Get real ****. Many of us recognize your negligence towards your children while on vacation. That enabled any criminal.

DJPJ20133:22pm on Sunday, 17th February 2013Report This Comment
Are these two actually for real? Why are they campaigning to restrict our free and democratic rights when a) they were not hacked b) They use the press whenever it suits them c) they were happy enough to have "****" with a small m serialised in the Sun so that we could be treated to daily headlines about their sex life d) the papers are full of non sightings to further dull the memories of them leaving the children to go out drinking.

Shame on them.