Scotland Yard in Porto because of Maddie

margaret wrote:I am still hopeful, if it was going to be a whitewash it would have been done by now. We know how two Portuguese investigations ended up (Mr.Amarals and Mr.Ribeiros?) and if Portugal wanted a whitewash that would have been done by now too. We know what Portugal wants and if they didn't agree with SY they wouldn't still be meeting.

We've also never found out what hacking went on with them, and l'm sure it did.... the biggest story for some years.... it's simply unthinkable they were left alone. That info is with SY too IMO.

It's possible that SY have also obtained mobile phone transcripts, health records and bank statements of those concerned which the Portuguese were denied.

Then we have the latest developments with Mr.Amarals court case, people are scared and rightly so.

david_uk wrote:

margaret wrote:I am still hopeful, if it was going to be a whitewash it would have been done by now. We know how two Portuguese investigations ended up (Mr.Amarals and Mr.Ribeiros?) and if Portugal wanted a whitewash that would have been done by now too. We know what Portugal wants and if they didn't agree with SY they wouldn't still be meeting.

We've also never found out what hacking went on with them, and l'm sure it did.... the biggest story for some years.... it's simply unthinkable they were left alone. That info is with SY too IMO.

It's possible that SY have also obtained mobile phone transcripts, health records and bank statements of those concerned which the Portuguese were denied.

Then we have the latest developments with Mr.Amarals court case, people are scared and rightly so.

As above, surely this is the only new evidence that would actually help bust this wide open.

ShuBob wrote:IIRC, it was ruled that the McCanns' text messages had been obtained by the PJ without getting the right authorization and therefore, the evidence was inadmissible. Does anyone know if, say, SY can get their hands on the same evidence perhaps from the phone company? I think it'll be a travesty if the phone records of all the tapas group don't form part of the evidence.

PeterMac wrote:david_uk. Love the atavar. It looks like a pair of very sharp giant pincers ready to be applied to sensitive parts of someone's anatomy ?

ShuBob wrote:IIRC, it was ruled that the McCanns' text messages had been obtained by the PJ without getting the right authorization and therefore, the evidence was inadmissible. Does anyone know if, say, SY can get their hands on the same evidence perhaps from the phone company? I think it'll be a travesty if the phone records of all the tapas group don't form part of the evidence.

david_uk wrote:

ShuBob wrote:IIRC, it was ruled that the McCanns' text messages had been obtained by the PJ without getting the right authorization and therefore, the evidence was inadmissible. Does anyone know if, say, SY can get their hands on the same evidence perhaps from the phone company? I think it'll be a travesty if the phone records of all the tapas group don't form part of the evidence.

So the transcripts of the text messages exist and the PJ have them, but have not released them because they where not permitted. yes?. ooh I would love to read them, wouldn't you

ShuBob wrote:

david_uk wrote:

ShuBob wrote:IIRC, it was ruled that the McCanns' text messages had been obtained by the PJ without getting the right authorization and therefore, the evidence was inadmissible. Does anyone know if, say, SY can get their hands on the same evidence perhaps from the phone company? I think it'll be a travesty if the phone records of all the tapas group don't form part of the evidence.

So the transcripts of the text messages exist and the PJ have them, but have not released them because they where not permitted. yes?. ooh I would love to read them, wouldn't you

It would appear the PJ did not get the correct authorization to access the messages from the Portuguese authorities so were ordered to destroy them

Also, I understand Amaral is presently collaborating with the famous American criminal profiler Pat Brown, on THE DEFINITE BOOK on the case, which is bound to be a huge success world-wide.

candyfloss wrote:Just read this from 'annonymous' which is no.15 in the comments on Joana's blog..........

Also, I understand Amaral is presently collaborating with the famous American criminal profiler Pat Brown, on THE DEFINITE BOOK on the case, which is bound to be a huge success world-wide.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/01/mccanns-ask-for-extrajudicial-settlement.html




Wonder if this is true??

candyfloss wrote:Just read this from 'annonymous' which is no.15 in the comments on Joana's blog..........

Also, I understand Amaral is presently collaborating with the famous American criminal profiler Pat Brown, on THE DEFINITE BOOK on the case, which is bound to be a huge success world-wide.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/01/mccanns-ask-for-extrajudicial-settlement.html



Wonder if this is true??

Châtelaine wrote:It was months ...

Pat Brown, September 8, 2012:


"My literary agent and I are working to
secure a publisher for a book which would be a collaboration between myself and
Dr. Amaral bringing in all the issues of the case before a larger audience
without the stranglehold the British press and Carter Ruck. I want the public
worldwide to understand the truth about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
and the impact this case has had on the world of missing children."





[url=http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.fr/2012/09/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-update.html

monkey mind wrote:
That will tell us much for I feel sure pressure will be brought for Grange to be wound down soon. They may even, probably do know the time frame already. I’d guess the 2 yr mark, could easily be wrong.

ShuBob wrote:

david_uk wrote:

ShuBob wrote:IIRC, it was ruled that the McCanns' text messages had been obtained by the PJ without getting the right authorization and therefore, the evidence was inadmissible. Does anyone know if, say, SY can get their hands on the same evidence perhaps from the phone company? I think it'll be a travesty if the phone records of all the tapas group don't form part of the evidence.

So the transcripts of the text messages exist and the PJ have them, but have not released them because they where not permitted. yes?. ooh I would love to read them, wouldn't you

It would appear the PJ did not get the correct authorization to access the messages from the Portuguese authorities so were ordered to destroy them

candyfloss wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:It was months ...

Pat Brown, September 8, 2012:


"My literary agent and I are working to
secure a publisher for a book which would be a collaboration between myself and
Dr. Amaral bringing in all the issues of the case before a larger audience
without the stranglehold the British press and Carter Ruck. I want the public
worldwide to understand the truth about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
and the impact this case has had on the world of missing children."





[url=http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.fr/2012/09/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-update.html

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.fr/2012/09/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-update.html[/quote[/url]]

Wow, thanks for finding that Chatelaine, I don't think I had seen it before.

candyfloss wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:It was months ...

Pat Brown, September 8, 2012:


"My literary agent and I are working to
secure a publisher for a book which would be a collaboration between myself and
Dr. Amaral bringing in all the issues of the case before a larger audience
without the stranglehold the British press and Carter Ruck. I want the public
worldwide to understand the truth about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
and the impact this case has had on the world of missing children."





http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.fr/2012/09/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-update.html[/quote]

Wow, thanks for finding that Chatelaine, I don't think I had seen it before.

And herein may well lie the answer as to why the McCanns want to settle out of court with Amaral. I expect the condition they feel they can demand is "we won't sue if you promise never to write about us again" With Pat Brown being pretty well known in a country that has a population of HUNDREDS of MILLIONS, can the McCann's really risk that sort of exposure of a "thesis" they have been trying to suppress.

Say "NO" Amaral, and get thee to a publisher post haste!!

candyfloss wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:It was months ...

Pat Brown, September 8, 2012:


"My literary agent and I are working to
secure a publisher for a book which would be a collaboration between myself and
Dr. Amaral bringing in all the issues of the case before a larger audience
without the stranglehold the British press and Carter Ruck. I want the public
worldwide to understand the truth about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
and the impact this case has had on the world of missing children."





http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.fr/2012/09/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-update.html[/quote]

Wow, thanks for finding that Chatelaine, I don't think I had seen it before.

And herein may well lie the answer as to why the McCanns want to settle out of court with Amaral. I expect the condition they feel they can demand is "we won't sue if you promise never to write about us again" With Pat Brown being pretty well known in a country that has a population of HUNDREDS of MILLIONS, can the McCann's really risk that sort of exposure of a "thesis" they have been trying to suppress.

Say "NO" Amaral, and get thee to a publisher post haste!!

Smokeandmirrors wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:It was months ...

Pat Brown, September 8, 2012:


"My literary agent and I are working to
secure a publisher for a book which would be a collaboration between myself and
Dr. Amaral bringing in all the issues of the case before a larger audience
without the stranglehold the British press and Carter Ruck. I want the public
worldwide to understand the truth about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
and the impact this case has had on the world of missing children."





http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.fr/2012/09/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-update.html[/quote]

Wow, thanks for finding that Chatelaine, I don't think I had seen it before.

And herein may well lie the answer as to why the McCanns want to settle out of court with Amaral. I expect the condition they feel they can demand is "we won't sue if you promise never to write about us again" With Pat Brown being pretty well known in a country that has a population of HUNDREDS of MILLIONS, can the McCann's really risk that sort of exposure of a "thesis" they have been trying to suppress.

Say "NO" Amaral, and get thee to a publisher post haste!!

Just a quick post before work...

Another poster agreeing with me that the McCanns may well be intending to make some demands on Amaral

Karen Pinto wrote:

NOT sure how the Portuguese justice system works - but as far as I know its GA that will make the demands - I have just settled a court case (in Holland) wherein the company backed down agreed to settle with me - the judge instructed the co. to pay me on MY terms! - GA will HAVE to AGREE or DISAGREE and I firmly belive he will not be "gagged"

If McCanns did indeed back down - GA demands

Smokeandmirrors wrote:

ShuBob wrote: It would appear the PJ did not get the correct authorization to access the messages from the Portuguese authorities so were ordered to destroy them

I remember when this happened thinking how utterly ridiculous. What if the answer to the who thing was there on a phone, but because of some dippy judge, the chance of solving has been lost?

ALSO, it makes you wonder WHO had messaged who - was there someone on there that has a D notice for example, you never know with this case, the coincidences and interferences couldn't get any weirder if they tried.