Telephone records

Posted by Tony

Now, a request from those of you who might be able to help me with a few questions.
These are matters I’m especially interested in if you can supply links or information:

3) All the telephone records. What are the main conclusions we can draw from, them? I know ‘santacoloma’ is the expert, but I am not in direct touch with him.


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Please use this thread to discuss the telephone records only.

Tony, I wouldn'thave a clue how to trawl through all those phone calls etc., but P.Reis and his team seem to have done a pretty good job at going through them (as well as santacoloma).

What screams out at me is this bit from his very interesting article "Where was Kate McCann"

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So the bottom line is that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A when Madeleine cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45 on Tuesday 1st May 2007, leading to a unique flurry of late night calls and to unique calls very early the following morning. A forensic examination of the records of Madeleine’s attendance at the “Lobsters” crèche on Wednesday 2nd and Thursday 3rd May 2007 is critically important because if they have been falsified, to establish she was there when she was not, this case takes on an entirely new dimension and sets different search parameters



Could this evidence have finally been submitted, and that's why we are having such a heavy focus on KM these past few weeks.

Just been reading up on Santacloma's excellent phone thread on the maddiecasefiles, and s/he believes the phone evidence points to Madeleine's death on or before 30th April.

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How to summarise the point we have reached? Only a brave person would claim that there is any consensus. Personally, I am satisfied that the evidence I have found points to Madeleine’s death on 30 April or even before.
The idea is not to re-start arguments we have had before – that can happen in its own time – so I’ll just say that I believe I have found evidence in third-party phone records to support this thesis. But apart from that, how about Kate McCann’s six calls or texts in a 12-minute period late on 1 May, and Gerry McCann’s receiving of 12 or 14 voicemail alerts on 2 May? All good holiday activity, eh??
On the other hand, there are those who don’t actually invoke phone records at all (and therefore should be disqualified from having an opinion – only joking) but who passionately argue that thousands of nannies and witnesses (and Gonçalo Amaral and the entire PJ) can’t be wrong, so Maddie was definitely still living at 17.30 on 3 May.
As though all that were not enough, we have just lately started on a new line of investigation which aims to demonstrate, in due course, that Kate McCann’s telephone contacts with Fr Paul Seddon ………………….well, I’ll allow others to explain their point. (Mainly because I don't understand it just yet).
Onwards and upwards!

This might be a bit off topic, but I was just trawling through the files looking for something on the Murat car hire question and found this, which I hadn't seen before. It's not really a record of phone calls, but a conversation about phone calls.

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Post subject: Murat Telephone Conversation with UK Police Officer Phil
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:46 pm
Posted by Ines


Processos Vol VI

Pages 1683 – 1691

Transcript of Telephone Interceptions

On 2nd June 2007, in the installations of the Portimao DIC, I, Carlos Moura, Police Interpreter, proceeded to effect the audition of the telephone registers relating to the code 1L769M, translating them into Portuguese:

Session nº 56

Elements related to the transcript:

Information Related to the Session:

Code : 1L769M
Session number: 56
Caller nº¨351282697628
Destination nº : 917462308
Time of initiation of call: 15.05.2007 15:15:08
Final time: 15.05.2007 15.27.31


Conversation in English.

Transcription:

Jen: Hi Sally! Oh..is?

Sal: Hi Jen! Can I speak to Robert?

Jen: He is speaking on the phone at the moment.

Sal: Then tell him to hang up, because I have Phil here to talk about the phone detecting thing.

Jen: Ah! She’s got, she’s got..

(A voice is heard in the background).

Jen: She needs you urgently.

( A voice is heard in the background saying that he will ring back in a couple of seconds).

Rob: Hello Sal!

Phil: (inaudible)
Rob: I’m sorry (laughs) sorry. Ahm..you probably don’t know me, I’m the man (inaudible) on the television at the moment.

Phil: Hi Robert, yes...

Rob: How are you? Are you well?

Phil: yes, I’m fine, call me Phil, how are you?

Rob: Hi Phil!

Phil: I’m fine..at the moment I’m at Sally’s house.

Rob: Yes.

Phil: But all the family is here, thats why....

Rob: Yes.

Phil: I’m a police officer from the UK.

Rob: Yes.

Phil: Ahm..Sally told me about your mobile, ahm.

Rob: Signal, I have just, I have just been informed, they tell me that the signal of my two mobiles can be followed.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Ahm..

Phil: (inaudible) also.

Rob: Pardon, what did you say?

Phil: They can do this (inaudible) respectively.

Rob: What, what does that mean? Sorry.

Phil: There is a thing called search analysis of a mobile.

Rob: Ok, can I write this down, sorry?

Phil: Yes, of course, yes.

Rob: Search analysis of a mobile.

Phil: Thats right, what this means in practice is that the police could ask your telephone operator...

Rob: Yes.

Phil: Whoever that is..

Rob: Yes.

Phil: Ahm.. the complete history of where your mobile was, the calls that were made, whether incoming or outgoing...

Rob: OK.

Phil: And..perhaps more importantly for you, they can even show where you were or could, could obtain the signal from where your phone was, this, this, I should tell you is not...

Rob: Where I was.

Phil: Certainly, yes, it does not show where you were.

Rob: Yes.

Phil: It only shows where your phone was, but..

Rob: Ok, ahm...but maybe it helps.

Phil: Without doubt, yes.

Rob: And the simple fact that probably you have already heard this a million times, I am completely innocent and simply I have.. you know, I can’t manage to prove that this happened, ahm, and the simple fact is that I am trying to arrange ways of proving where I was.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: At the end of the day.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: And this is a way of trying to do this, I did not know that this was possible.

Phil: Hm..

Rob: Ahm.. and thats why..you know, I was thinking if, if this were done, at the end of the day, because eventually, I don’t know, I, I was here at home, but what reach does it have? What are does it cover and what does it give?

Phil: Well, this really depends on , on the number of satellites, where you were.

Rob: Right.

Phil: Normally as regards mobiles it can be anything between three and seven satellites.

Rob: Three to seven..

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Three to seven satellites.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: OK.

Phil: And ahm.. this determines...if they were, if they were..lets say, three could locate close to a hundred yards (2.74m) or thereabouts.

Rob: So, about 100 yards.

Phil: Yes, a hundred yards or thereabouts, yes.

Rob: Or thereabouts, ok.

Phil: Ahm... and the more satellites, the more satellites there were, more..

Rob: The closer..

Phil: The closer, they could give a certain location.

Rob: Yes, OK that is absolutely...

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Fantastic, but for example if I were to move, with these, withese satellites, with these phones..

Phil: Yes.

Rob: They would move with me?

Phil: Yes, yes.

Rob: Ah, great, great.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: But you know, what happened was, I was here all night.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Thats why, if I were, ahm, if I were accused of something then I would have had to have moved from here.

Phil: (inaudible) yes.

Rob: I would not be at the, the , the site, now I can’t remember if I made any calls from these mobiles.

Phil: Ah..

Rob: I will phone my operator in any case:

Phil: Yes.

Rob: And find out whether I made any calls that night with that phone.

Phil: Well, they have the history of your calls, ahm..

Rob: Yes.

Phil: About the, the..

Rob: Well they have of course, of course they have my phones at this moment, thats why..

Phil: (inaudible).

Rob: Yes, thats why they have my phones, my computers, everything.

Phil: Hm..

Rob: But at the end of the day I have nothing to hide, whatever it might be.

Phil: Did you use your computer that night?

Rob: I think not, I’m not sure, I don’t remember to be honest.

Phil: Because, again they can search the .. the history of the computer, thats why..

Rob:Of course.

Phil: If you had used your password.

Rob: Again, again, I gave them everything, thats why they have everything..

Phil: Yes.

Rob: I have nothing to hide, whatever it might be.

Phil: Hmm..

Rob: I didn’t do anything. I’m being crucified.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: The whole of my life is being crucified.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: And...my family are all being crucified, ahm...but I must say that the Leicester police have been absolutely fantastic with my family, even, even helping them.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: I even asked someone from the press to thank the Leicester police for all the work they have done and looked out for family members.

Phil: Hmm, hmm..

Rob: And I hope they will do it, I cannot look out for myself but I asked, asked them to look after this part, you know?

Phil: Yes, and it is better to leave this to them (inaudible).

Rob: They have been fantastic.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: However (inaudible).

Phil: (inaudible) another perspective, another perspective.

Rob: If I manage to think of other perspectives that could..

Phil: Hm..

Rob: Ahm... from the technological point of view, that could place me or situate me, or anything else..

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Please tell me because I am trying some things to see, to prove what I was doing.

Phil: Hmm...

Rob: But, as I have already said, I am desperate really, aren’t I’ You know, they are trying to paint me as a kind of malignant armadillo, when I did absolutely nothing.

Phil: Hm..

Rob: When I tried to help.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Ahm..it is..it is..I have to say That I am very frightened, when they began, when they began to join things together and ahm...I know that I didn’t do anything.

Phil: Unfortunately the press, well, the impression I have is that the press here...

Rob: Yes.

Phil: They have to behave themselves reasonably well because of the “sub justice” aspect.

Rob: Yes.

Phil: But it is clear that with national (inaudible) it is not put into doubt, but the (inaudible) because now there is an international press, Sky TV can be seen all over the world..

Rob: Yes, thats true.

Phil: And these kind of things, that why I don’t...I’m very.. I’m not familiar with the Portuguese work.

Rob: Yes.

Phil: Ahm...from what I have seen up till now (inaudible).

Rob: Thats right, ok (laughs).

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Well, I wanted to say, I, I have been translating (inaudible) during the last few days.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: And the work they are doing there is absolutely, it even goes into the details, its really good, they follow all leads, of everything in every sense ahm.. and they, they are doing a really good job, I must, I must say, unfortunately I am at the wrong end of it at the moment.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Ahm, I have to be honest, honest about it even though I hate (inaudible).

Phil: Hm, hm.

Rob: Because they are focussing on me, ahm.. I have to be honest, they are doing a very good job and you know they are involved in this..

Phil: Hm.

Rob: They work even, even in a very consolidated way, in this sense, but..

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Really I shouldn’t be criticising the people who are trying to crucify me.

Phil: Well, yes, there is one thing, from my point of view..

Rob: It doesn’t seem very, very (inaudible)

Phil: Well, you know, these things happen and sometimes, ahm..you could look at other statistics..

Rob: Yes.

Phil: Normally they are people who are known to the family or (inaudible) who are around and its clear that they want to communicate these kind of things that happen (inaudible).

Rob: Yes, exactly, exactly..

Phil: Ahm..

Rob: The other thing that worries me a lot is that they, they are leaving behind what is important, the little girl at the end of it all. My life is important, don'’ get me wrong (laughs).

Phil: Hmm..yes.

Rob: My life is important, I don’t want to be crucified and, and crucified and being completely innocent.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Ahm..and I have been crucified, but they have, I hope they remain concentrated on that which, that which is important and that is finding the aggressors who have the girl.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: I think that at the moment that only I, however ahm.. that is what I, I want them to do.

Phil: Hm..

Rob: That with, that they continue to concentrate on this aspect. Ahm, ok, very, very much obliged for your help, I thank you very, very much, I hope that we manage that this has some result, in some way.


Phil: Yes, this is an alt, another alternative is that if you were at home that night, see what you were doing, with relation to what you were doing that night and who was with you and this type of thing.

Rob: Yes, that is the other side of it, the truth is that I was sitting here with my mother and ahm..I walked around the house and sat down, sat down (inaudible).

Phil: Hm.

Rob: And ahm..this is where the oldest people live basically.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: There are always ambulances passing by.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: And I was helping my mother do some little things, I think she arrived home at about eight ahm.. and I was..I think that I arrived first, I am sure, I think I am almost certain that I arrived first. I cannot remember exactly, that is the problem, I think I arrived first and joined her when she arrived and ahmm..basically I was here all night talking and laughing and that, we heard some sirens pass and I said on, that is just (inaudible) (laughs).

Phil: Hm.

Rob: That a girl has disappeared and that everything led on from there is a hell, it s a hell.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: But now I, I..what I am going to do now is to contact my sister, she is prepared to give a statement to the Leicester police.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Ahm.. I’m going to ask her to ask whether they ca, whether they have legal authority to do this mobile thing.

Phil: Ahm..an Emglish phone?

Rob: I have an English phone and another Portuguese phone, I carry both of them with me.

Phil: Right.

Rob: Thats why I’m trying to find out the perspective of the English phone.

Phil: Yes, but they could do the same with your Portuguese phone.

Rob: Right, but I don’t know whether they have permission to do this, thats the problem.

Phil: Ahm..

Rob: Or whether they can request this, or anything else, to see if we can...

Phil: Normally not..in the UK you need an authorisation to do this type of thing.

Rob: Right.

Phil: Ahm and (inaudible) nut this is clear (inaudible) without your knowing.

Rob. Right, OK.

Phil: Ahm..but, but if you were to speak to Leicester police..

Rob: Hm.

Phil: They would have a mechanism for doing this, now..

Rob: That, that is what I would like to try.

Phil: Yes, yes.

Rob: And..I want to say ahm..at the end of the day, I, I know where I was, its simple.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: And I was not in another place, if you want to know (laughs).

Phil: Yes. I know..the same, the same applies to a fixed phone, if you made a call from a fixed phone you could obtain, you could obtain...

Rob: The signal..

Phil: Well, they don’t detect the signal, they can obtain the calls made and the calls received..

Rob: Yes.

Phil: If you were at home and somebody called, then..

Rob: I think, I think..I can’t remember at what time it was, but I think I phoned my daughter, ahm..although I didn’t speak to her, I left a message on the answering machine.

Phil: Ahm...

Rob: Because I think they were not there.

Phil: But I do not remember exactly at what time that was.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: Ahm..but I hope that it could have been at about that time.

Phil: Hm.

Rob: However, I hope it was by phone, the phone in the house..

Phil: Hm.

Rob: I hope that this places me in a completely different site, at the site where I know I was.

Phil: Yes, yes.

Rob: (inaudible).

Phil: Yes.

Rob: But this is what I am going to try and do now.

Phil: Between, between these two things, between the two mobiles and the fixed telephone and whether you were ending emails on the computer or not...

Rob: Yes.

Phil: All these things could..

Rob: The place.

Phil: They could detect the place where you were (inaudible).

Rob: another, another thing, we have a ..a router that was installed by a private company, well the router, is a (inaudible) router, yes?

Phil: Hm.

Rob: Ahm.. its the type that says..I don’t know what this means, but it says that it is programmed for American time or something like that, there is some specific reason, would that be a problem, or..?

Phil: Well, I could look into that, frankly I think not, but..

Rob: Good, when we talk about this, he says he finds it strange.

Phil: Yes.

Rob: He was curious (inaudible).

Phil: Yes.

Rob: But only about this. OK!

Phil: (inaudible) they, they are technicians, in any way they will soon identify this, yes.

Rob: OK, sir, I thank you very, very much for your help.

Phil: (inaudible).

Rob: Many, many thanks.

Phil: Thats OK, mate, be well.

Rob: Be wll.

Phil: Bye.

Rob: Bye.

Interpretation by Carlos Moura


There not being more to transcribe this file is signed.

Signature.

Posted on McCannfiles by Santacoloma

1544 2 May RM and his lawyer talk on RM's mobile
From that point, there is not a peep from RM's mobile until 2320 on 3 May
1549 2 May GM receives a message on his mobile
From that point, apart from contacting his Message Centre and one call at 1224 on 3 May, there is not a peep from GM's mobile until 2314 on 3 May
According to the best of several rather confusing reports, the GNR reached the OC at 2315 on 3 May

If you read the statements of RM to the PJ (and also those of his partner, Michaela Walczuch), you'll know that the PJ were convinced that their stories were full of inconsistencies. Especially on 2 and 3 May. My point is that RM was told to shut off his mobile and "get lost" for 32 hours. Gerry was told to stop using his mobile. RM "got lost" so successfuly that he confused even himself about his movements. Only when he heard the commotion and saw the GNR arrive at the OC, did he consider himself released from his undertaking of silence.
Similarly, whatever the time of Kate's "they've taken her", Gerry does not use his mobile until 2314.

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Some snippets from Santacoloma which may or maynot be of use:

1544 2 May RM and his lawyer talk on RM's mobile
From that point, there is not a peep from RM's mobile until 2320 on 3 May
1549 2 May GM receives a message on his mobile
From that point, apart from contacting his Message Centre and one call at 1224 on 3 May, there is not a peep from GM's mobile until 2314 on 3 May
According to the best of several rather confusing reports, the GNR reached the OC at 2315 on 3 May

If you read the statements of RM to the PJ (and also those of his partner, Michaela Walczuch), you'll know that the PJ were convinced that their stories were full of inconsistencies. Especially on 2 and 3 May. My point is that RM was told to shut off his mobile and "get lost" for 32 hours. Gerry was told to stop using his mobile. RM "got lost" so successfuly that he confused even himself about his movements. Only when he heard the commotion and saw the GNR arrive at the OC, did he consider himself released from his undertaking of silence.
Similarly, whatever the time of Kate's "they've taken her", Gerry does not use his mobile until 2314.

Received message at 1549. Rang his Vodafone Message Centre (121) at 1550 and 2014.
Received 12-second call from Prof Iain Squire at 1224 on 3 May. Next use of mobile (to call KM) 2314.

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There are more holes in Murat's statements than Steptoe's vest.

I am inclined to believe he contacted his lawyer to protect his own arse and was nothing to do with business.

@justagrannynow 1 ................... I believe the conversation in this call was a pretence at naivety by Murat. He knows damn bloody well how phones are triangulated etc.

I have to hold my hands up and admit I never paid too much attention to Robert Murat before. I sort of thought he had been badly treated by the Tapas group and the likes of Lori Campbell, but now I am starting to hear alarm bells in my head. I know nothing about the technicalities of phone calls, don't even have a mobile phone because I can't work one, but I can pick up when something is not right.

This is the good thing about forums. We all have different strengths and weaknesses and can combine them and hopefully do something for Madeleine.

more from santacoloma

“Why the need for a whole day (and more) of mobile silence?”

The first clue lies in Robert Murat’s changing stories of his activities on 3 May. In version 1, made shortly after the event, he enjoyed a relaxed start to the morning, went to Lagos to spend a couple of hours with Michaela. At midday they went to lunch at a filling-station on the motorway outside Lagos. Then back to MW’s apartment until it was time to pick up C******* from school (1530). Straight to a meeting with the da Silvas which went on to 1900, at a café in Lagos Marina. To MW’s home, then back to Casa Liliana by 1930.
In version 2, made in July, he now says he was up and out early, picking up MW from her apartment and getting to a business meeting at Espiche around 0930. Went to lunch as stated before on the motorway (1200), then to Lagos Marina with the da Silvas. They didn’t stay there long and moved on to Palmares Golf Club until it was time to pick up C*******.. At MW’s apartment by 1545. Left there at 1930. Went home. (You’ll note that he has dropped his attempt at having da Silva give him an alibi until 1900).
Jorge da Silva has a very different account, stating that RM and MW were waiting for him at a bar in Lagos at 1130. Then they went to Palmares and stayed for around four excruciating hours until they parted around 1600. (It may in fact have been 1530 or just before – no doubt time was passing very slowly for Jorge).

Since Robert was destined to spend 3 May drifting around Lagos, making up stories about his whereabouts, it is hardly surprising that his controller told him in advance to keep his mobile switched off. Otherwise his real movements would have been known to everyone, and he wouldn’t have had the opportunity to sow confusion.
The one place he wasn’t on 3 May, was at home in Casa Liliana. And the reason, in my judgment, is that Casa Liliana was being used for other purposes. That is to say, as the location for a series of phone calls to be made and received, all of them related to some activity which had to be accomplished before 2200.
I think that activity had extreme importance, and I can only imagine that it involved agreement being reached for the removal of Madeleine’s body, and final negotiations for the charade to begin.

So, why was Gerry’s mobile silent in almost exactly the same manner? Because Gerry’s activities on 3 May were inextricably bound up with Murat’s. And because during some hours of that day, Gerry was in a place that he wanted nobody to know about. A good reason to shut off your mobile is to keep your whereabouts a secret, and that’s what GM had to do. The crucial hours of the day (though not the only significant ones) being 1545 – 1930. When did he stop playing tennis with Dan? GM says 1645. Dan says 1545. Was Gerry in the Tapas Group at the Paraiso? No. Did he have an Achilles heel problem? Yes.

Gerry and his controllers wouldn’t have known with what degree of accuracy mobile signals could be traced. Better to play safe, and leave it off once he had received all those text and voicemail messages on 2 May. But communications were still needed to tie up the loose ends before Kate could do her act.
So Gerry had to have some “secret” means of making the final arrangements.
And in my view, landline connections from Murat’s house were just the place to do it.

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On several occasions, when speaking of "Gerry's 32-hour mobile phone silence", I have qualified it by stating that there were minor exceptions, and it wasn't total. On other occasions, for the sake of brevity and of not repeating myself endlessly, I've referred to it in more broadbrush terms.
So I thought I should lay out here the exact dimensions of it.
Between 0807 and 1549 on 2 May, GM receives 12 messages from 7818520047. These messages are designated slightly differently from simple texts by the PJ in their report, Annex 38, by virtue of having their duration described as 00h00m01s. (Simple texts are designated 0). Back in the days of Arbiter, it was agreed that 7818520047 represented a type of Vodafone message centre. One minute after the last, at 1550, GM calls Vodafone service number 91 121, a call lasting 11s.
Note that the last incoming message was at 1549. Then GM called 91 121. Next, at 1749, he receives another of 00h00m01s from 7818520047. Nothing happens until 1949, when he receives another of 00h00m01s from 7818520047. Then, at 2014, GM calls 91 121 again in a call lasting 10s.
Many moons ago (again Arbiter was involved), it was generally agreed that the receipt of three messages all at a time ending 49m (i.e. 1549, 1749, and 1949) most likely indicated that the Vodafone message centre was repeating the one GM had received at 1549, by way of reminder.
In view of that, and since GM had no other mobile activity whatsoever on 2 May, I am saying that to all intents and purposes, Gerry began a period of mobile silence with the receipt of that "last" message at 1549, or to be slightly more exact, when he first called 91 121 one minute later. Subsequent messages on that day, described above, were just peripheral.

I'd be delighted if someone more knowledgeable than I about the technicalities of mobile phone usage could explain what GM was doing when calling 91 121 to close off the sequences (as it seems to me).
I have always said, as a further caveat, that GM received just one call on 3 May to interrupt the "32- hour silence". I can say a bit more about that later, if required

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when I key 121 there's a message saying not a valid number. But in 2007???? I'm just changing to the less well known HITS network, and I note that 2121 is used for roaming. That seems relevant to GM. If your idea is correct, then there were only two incoming calls between the two 121 calls, and those are the ones which we thought might be repeats.
We need to hear from someone who had Vodafone in May 2007, and who remembers what 121 signified. In any case, the PJ (I hope) took the trouble to find out.

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You're going to hear the old refrain again: the PJ report showing all the contacts of the so-called Murat Group, for 2 May, has been screwed up so that it appears as a series of blobs instead of readable numbers. I have followed up parapono's idea of re-routeing, to see whether the calls at 1749 and 1949 (between the 121 calls) might have been re-routed.
I noticed that Sergi was very active around 1749 - but then, when isn't that boy very active telephonically-speaking?
More interestingly, around 1949 Michaela has two long calls, and it was later that same evening that she had four rapid calls with a PdL landline, which caused the PJ to ask some questions of her and Robert. But, apart from the named participants, all the other numbers are illegible.

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Whilst swanning around at Blanes (photo on Welcome thread, later in the week) I wondered: Those first 11 voicemail alerts, Gerry would have listened to them promptly. When he received the 12th, at 1549, he called 91 (for Vodafone PT) 121. Was he telling the computer that these mobiles carry in their little heads "I don't want to listen to this just now - remind me later". So his mobile did so, two hours later at 1749. He still didn't attend to it, so it reminded him again at 1949. After that, he called 91 121 again, to cancel the repeats, because he had listened to the voicemail message. How does that seem?
It seems pretty good to me, bearing in mind that a pre-condition would have to have been, that GM knew the 1549 message was highly important, but could wait. I like that, because as I've been saying, I reckon something very important happened that evening, between 1930 and the time G and K got to the Tapas Bar. And (according to the above theory), Gerry listened to it after 1949 and before cancelling it at 2014.





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Sorry to cut a rather hopeless figure, but I find the indexing on this forum very confusing.
My question (and I know I ought to know the answer) is: did I not start a phone records thread on this forum, many months ago?
If so, where can I find it?

kikoraton wrote:Sorry to cut a rather hopeless figure, but I find the indexing on this forum very confusing.
My question (and I know I ought to know the answer) is: did I not start a phone records thread on this forum, many months ago?
If so, where can I find it?

Kiko, I have had a quick look and can't spot anything. I checked all the threads you have posted on, by going into your profile and clicking topics you have commented on and nothing comes up. I know you had a phone records thread on MCF, but can't find one here. Perhaps Get 'em can help you more.

If I remember correctly, it was just before you joined this forum on a regular basis and it may have been Tony or I who started it and it got moved from where it originally was. I will have a look round to see if I can find it !!

to admin and the site manager
Is there any way you could include a more powerful search engine ?
one with, for example "advanced search," which enabled one to search
topic (as in the heading)
content (perhaps by keyword)
person (as we can now)
date or month of posting (approx)
text or photo
links
and so on

an importantly a combination of these,
so we could search in Kiko, phone, July

There's a better search engine on the Portal Page and if you put 'telephone records' + 'kikoraton' in then you get this:

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kikoraton wrote:Sorry to cut a rather hopeless figure, but I find the indexing on this forum very confusing.
My question (and I know I ought to know the answer) is: did I not start a phone records thread on this forum, many months ago?
If so, where can I find it?

Kiko, having had a look round now, I think your phone thread first appeared in this thread. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
If you read the bottom of the page, which is page one, this is where I think you started to explain your findings. To be honest, it should really have a thread in the debate section called something like 'All Phone Traffic', or something like that, to make it easier for everyone to find. Being on page 1 of a creche thread, no one will find it there.

I've just refreshed my memory by reading this thread, and there's something I want to add.
Gerry listened to all those voicemail messages on 2 May. He didn't make a single out-going call. (That gives the lie to Kate's "he had a lot of calls to and from his work"). He made a couple of non-speaking calls to his Vodafone service centre, using the mobile keys to give orders or to indicate that he had finished listening to messages until further notice. And at 2014, he was done for the day.
He didn't turn his mobile back on, effectively, until 2314 on 3 May, after Kate had set off the pantomime. I'm sure his mobile was "off", because the records show not a single ping, and mobiles ping an antenna even when they are on but not being used.
And yet, Gerry took a call from Prof Iain Boland Squire of Glenfield Hosptal, at 1224 on 3 May. (This is why I said "effectively", it's the exception which proves the rule).
I've two questions about this call. One, how did Gerry know that he had to switch on and take a call at 1224? Two,considering the importance of Prof Iain Squire (who outranks Gerry at Glenfield), how did Gerry get away with a call that lasted only 12 seconds? "Can't talk to you now, boss, my daughter's getting abducted later today". Oh, and three, what was the purpose of it?
It's quite an interesting little puzzle, which I turn over in my mind from time to time.

About Question One, I have a theory (backed up by phone calls, of course) which involves a tip-off from an ex-UK copper retired to PdL.
About Question Two - perhaps it was necessary only to listen to a message from Squire, or alternatively to dictate one to him, such as "The balloon goes up at 10 tonight".
That would account for a call which lasted only 12 seconds.
And that could answer Question Three as well.

I'm still quite fond of my idea that Gerry was only one of a number of Glenfield/Leicester University academics involved in a major clinical experiment, including Doug Skehan who was Treasurer of the Fund for some time. Maybe that would explain why Leics Constabulary kept the fraudulent fund as a link on their website for so many years. The Leicestershire establishment sticking together, sort of thing.

i always thought that even when off mobiles pinged an antenna

hence why criminals go as far as removing the battery

if indeed there are no pings from gerrys or roberts phone for certain periods  then one has to ask why they went to the trouble of removing the battery- seems very strange?

PeterMac wrote:to admin and the site manager
Is there any way you could include a more powerful search engine ?
one with, for example "advanced search," which enabled one to search
topic  (as in the heading)
content  (perhaps by keyword)
person  (as we can now)
date or month of posting (approx)
text  or photo
links
and so on

an importantly a combination of these,
so we could search in Kiko, phone, July

Even though I've put a better search engine on the forum since you first asked in 2011 it still won't do what you ask