Anyone seen this photo before?

by garyp 19.06.12 16:48

I know a lot is made of the lack of photos but I have always thought maybe TM or the PJ only allowed some to be released. Was looking for something on getty images and found this from 8th May 07, not seen it anywhere else.

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by **PeterMac** 19.06.12 17:50

Caption: LAGOS, PORTUGAL - MAY 08: Kate McCann holds a photo of her daughter Madeleine and a toy doll on May 8, 2007 at the Algarve resort village of Praia da Luz in Portugal. Madeleine dissapeared on May 3, 2007 from her resort apartment bedroom in Praia da Luz while her parents were dining at a nearby restaurant. (Photo by Denis Doyle/Getty Images)
Date created: 08 May 2007

So taken on day 4.
Good close up of felix cuddelorum making it very clear is the one from "Russ Berrie 8" Moos Star plush rattle toy"

by sami 19.06.12 19:46

Lots of images on that site. What is interesting is that in every picture where Kate's wrist is exposed she is wearing a watch. So too is Gerry. Mitchell had led us to believe nobody had a watch during dinner at the Tapas, which was rather strange to me given they were checking on their children at timed, regular intervals. Immediately after the event, Kate is never without a watch.

A watch is something most people wear all of the time or not at all. My husband does not own a watch for example, however I would never be without one.

Why would Kate not wear hers to dinner at night, if she is a habitual wearer during the day.

by **tigger** 19.06.12 19:51

sami wrote:Lots of images on that site. What is interesting is that in every picture where Kate's wrist is exposed she is wearing a watch. So too is Gerry. Mitchell had led us to believe nobody had a watch during dinner at the Tapas, which was rather strange to me given they were checking on their children at timed, regular intervals. Immediately after the event, Kate is never without a watch.

A watch is something most people wear all of the time or not at all. My husband does not own a watch for example, however I would never be without one.

Why would Kate not wear hers to dinner at night, if she is a habitual wearer during the day.

She slipped up on that in the book where she says that Gerry got up at 9.05 exactly by his watch ... to go and do his check.

No watches and no mobiles were handy for confusing the timelines. Only the one night though imo.

by **Nina** 19.06.12 19:56

garyp wrote:I know a lot is made of the lack of photos but I have always thought maybe TM or the PJ only allowed some to be released. Was looking for something on getty images and found this from 8th May 07, not seen it anywhere else.

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That is one very well kept cuddly. The stitching for the whiskers and eyebrows is without blemish. How long is Madeleine supposed to have had it? Imo the toy is new and a prop.

by dragonfly 19.06.12 20:35

I could be wrong, I seem to remember watching a video of a service inside the church and the picture displayed of Madeleine was one I had never seen before, I think she was wearing white, Does anyone one know what video I am talking about?

by Guest 19.06.12 22:27

Dragonfly - could this be the photo you're thinking of?

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by tuom 19.06.12 23:11

Nina wrote:
garyp wrote:I know a lot is made of the lack of photos but I have always thought maybe TM or the PJ only allowed some to be released. Was looking for something on getty images and found this from 8th May 07, not seen it anywhere else.

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That is one very well kept cuddly. The stitching for the whiskers and eyebrows is without blemish. How long is Madeleine supposed to have had it? Imo the toy is new and a prop.

You beat me to it ! That was the first thing I thought when I saw the picture .......... strange it does not look like a toy that has been slept with, dribbled on , dropped etc .......... even CC is not real Aw Well !![You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by dragonfly 19.06.12 23:30

Jean wrote:Dragonfly - could this be the photo you're thinking of?

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Thank you for your response Jean I think that could be it, The video was posted on this site some where I did try to look for it, so thank you Jean

by dragonfly 19.06.12 23:48

tigger wrote:
sami wrote:Lots of images on that site. What is interesting is that in every picture where Kate's wrist is exposed she is wearing a watch. So too is Gerry. Mitchell had led us to believe nobody had a watch during dinner at the Tapas, which was rather strange to me given they were checking on their children at timed, regular intervals. Immediately after the event, Kate is never without a watch.

A watch is something most people wear all of the time or not at all. My husband does not own a watch for example, however I would never be without one.

Why would Kate not wear hers to dinner at night, if she is a habitual wearer during the day.

She slipped up on that in the book where she says that Gerry got up at 9.05 exactly by his watch ... to go and do his check.

No watches and no mobiles were handy for confusing the timelines. Only the one night though imo.

Russell O'Brien's rogatory interview
Checks on children Kate and Gerry checked by the clock, where as Jane and I checked between courses

by Gillyspot 20.06.12 6:30

I actuallly think garyp meant the pic of Madeleine & I agree I can't recall seeing this particular photograph anywhere either. Although I imagine it was taken at the same time as this one [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Another point why does Kate carry a picture of Madeleine (a4) around creased in her hand?

by Hummingbird 20.06.12 8:52

Why is it that almost every picture I have seen of Madeleine she never seems to be looking at the camera? She is always looking at the floor or at someone else in the opposite direction?

by rainbow-fairy 20.06.12 11:25

Hummingbird wrote:Why is it that almost every picture I have seen of Madeleine she never seems to be looking at the camera? She is always looking at the floor or at someone else in the opposite direction?

I had noticed that Hummingbird. Two possibilities jump out at me.
1)As the mum of two boys, one with ADHD and the youngest severe autistic spectrum disorder, eye contact is a problem. My ASD son WILL LOOK at a cameras sometimes, but he WILL NOT look AT photo's of himself!
2)It could be a shyness, or a wariness because of abuse. The shyness seems at odds with family descriptions of her, so was she abused in some way?

If forced to choose I'd say she was somewhere on the autistic spectrum. My ASD son is as hyper as hell, worse even than the one wiv ADHD! Wink

by **PeterMac** 20.06.12 11:37

The "No watches" stuff was one of Mitchell's feeble LIES.
But who told him to say that ?

by Guest 20.06.12 11:44

PeterMac wrote:The "No watches" stuff was one of Mitchell's feeble LIES.
But who told him to say that ?

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IMO his "no valuables taken" wasn't a lie, but definitely one of the most stupid things to say ...

by joyce1938 20.06.12 11:56

Hi all, I saw a picture on pamalams site with a lot of others of m. one was i am certain as i can be ,was pic. of ka,with dungerees on and t shirt ,long bunches to side of head ,dress not with keeping with tha fashion at the time . looks so like kate ,couldnt see a caption of it to say it was anyone else. has anyone here seen it ?joyce1938

by russiandoll 20.06.12 12:28

checking by the clock from K and G acc to ROB? Sounds like medical observations at such regular intervals. Sedation perhaps?

by Guest 20.06.12 13:05

joyce1938 wrote:Hi all, I saw a picture on pamalams site with a lot of others of m. one was i am certain as i can be ,was pic. of ka,with dungerees on and t shirt ,long bunches to side of head ,dress not with keeping with tha fashion at the time . looks so like kate ,couldnt see a caption of it to say it was anyone else. has anyone here seen it ?joyce1938

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This is definitely stated to be a photo of Kate as a child.

by joyce1938 20.06.12 15:19

Thanks for your reply jean,i viewed it amongst a lot of maddie pics,then couldnt see easily if it had a caption to it ,does it seem odd that all pics of child ,then a wild card one of her mum?I will take another look at some time ,not today regardsjoyce1938

by butterfly23 24.09.12 0:22

reading through this section i have a few more thoughts on what i have read here;- 1)- if none of those who were dining together had a watch one ..which seems unlikely for a bunch of professional people..it would be tricky to organise regular checks on the children- but SURELY one of them would retrieve a watch while on their many visits back to the flats for aforementioned checks..? 2)- it seems very likely that cuddlecat was ALWAYS just a prop= no pics of madeleine holding it...it looks brand new....just used to be carried about, along with a picture, for the cameras!!! strange that one of those cuddlecats did have a scent tho ??? another mystery !!! 3)- there are a few pics with madeleine looking at camera- obvious ones that spring to mind are those with all the make up on !!! have noticed that the mccann family pics of madeleine are quite unlike those of other families- the make up pics are very weird- but many of the others are just not right somehow..... 4)- are there baby photos of madeleine- not toddler ones- baby pics from when she was just born ???? 5)- it seems that the mccanns thought a real & convincing way to portray an image of a family desperate to find their missing daughter was to have lots of writbands made and wear them with lots of streamers , carrying a toy cat & a photo...while being filmed releasing balloons/ meeting the pope/ walking hand in hand....a lot..... !!! but, not actually doing any searching .....[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by **tigger** 24.09.12 7:07

Châtelaine wrote:
PeterMac wrote:The "No watches" stuff was one of Mitchell's feeble LIES.
But who told him to say that ?

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IMO his "no valuables taken" wasn't a lie, but definitely one of the most stupid things to say ...

But in the bewk Kate says that Gerry got up at 9.04 ...by his watch!.
And here is the explanation by Blacksmith:

Macwatch, noun. (1) A form of guarding or supervision inviting trespass, kidnap and sometimes death. Example: Who let the fucking suicide bomber in, for Christ’s sake? Wasn’t there a sentry? No sergeant, that night there was only a macwatch. (2) A wristwatch which always reads 9.04 PM and is invisible to others. The typical wearer suddenly “sees” it after a period of months.

by Guest 24.09.12 10:30

butterfly23 wrote:reading through this section i have a few more thoughts on what i have read here;- 1)- if none of those who were dining together had a watch one ..which seems unlikely for a bunch of professional people..it would be tricky to organise regular checks on the children- but SURELY one of them would retrieve a watch while on their many visits back to the flats for aforementioned checks..? 2)- it seems very likely that cuddlecat was ALWAYS just a prop= no pics of madeleine holding it...it looks brand new....just used to be carried about, along with a picture, for the cameras!!! strange that one of those cuddlecats did have a scent tho ??? another mystery !!! 3)- there are a few pics with madeleine looking at camera- obvious ones that spring to mind are those with all the make up on !!! have noticed that the mccann family pics of madeleine are quite unlike those of other families- the make up pics are very weird- but many of the others are just not right somehow..... 4)- are there baby photos of madeleine- not toddler ones- baby pics from when she was just born ???? 5)- it seems that the mccanns thought a real & convincing way to portray an image of a family desperate to find their missing daughter was to have lots of writbands made and wear them with lots of streamers , carrying a toy cat & a photo...while being filmed releasing balloons/ meeting the pope/ walking hand in hand....a lot..... !!! but, not actually doing any searching .....[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Even in The Book, there are no babypictures of Madeleine.

by Guest 24.09.12 11:36

Not so Portia. Not as a newborn yes but there are some of her as a baby.

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by **tigger** 24.09.12 13:22

Jean wrote:Not so Portia. Not as a newborn yes but there are some of her as a baby.

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The one with Maddie as a baby and K and G has definitely got G photoshopped in. That is the earliest one I can think of and Kate is wearing a jacket that a reader on MM said wasn't available in 2003 - I wouldn't know about it.
But - just my idea and nothing to do with reality - what if Maddie was a terrible disappointment right from the birth? i.e. not perfect for perfect parents, so the natural consequence would be that there would not be a lot of photographs of that period anyway.

by Liz Eagles 24.09.12 17:30

Has anyone ever seen a picture of KM pregnant? The latest media trend is to show a pregnant belly whenever possible and it sells. I'm surprised there wasn't a pictorial history (encouraged by a publicist/publisher) to show KM with child. We've seen photos of the duo from their courting days/on holiday. We've seen videos of their children in their home. We've seen the odd photo of Madeleine with other kids. Where's the pregnancy photo? I may be wrong here but I've never seen a picture of KM pregnant. I've seen 'post-natal' pictures of her with a baby. I've read about her leaving The Netherlands as she wasn't well whilst pregnant. As the struggle to conceive through IVF was clearly told, I would have thought there would be much to made of 'from conception to loss'. Every other area (IMO only) has been ~~exploited~~ explored.

by Ribisl 24.09.12 18:35

Playing the devil's advocate here. There are actually plenty of pictures of Madeleine already in the public domain which show her at various stages of growing up and why should we expect her parents to make any more private family photos available? The only pictures that would have been relevant at the time of 'abduction' were the ones taken most recently, so her baby photos, for example, would have served only to solicit public sympathy, nothing else.

by **PeterMac** 24.09.12 18:43

aquila wrote:Has anyone ever seen a picture of KM pregnant?

Do you mean carrying a test tube ? big grin

by Guest 24.09.12 18:49

I do see your point Ribis1 but the McCanns have done nothing other than trying to drum up support and sympathy from Day One so I would have thought that cute baby photos would have been on the agenda. As for the most recent photos, it's strange that most of those issued immediately were about a year old!

I also wonder why they have missed the opportunity to show Madeleine's bedroom - what a good marketing ploy that would have been, left untouched since the day she went on holiday.

by **Nina** 24.09.12 19:04

Jean wrote:I do see your point Ribis1 but the McCanns have done nothing other than trying to drum up support and sympathy from Day One so I would have thought that cute baby photos would have been on the agenda. As for the most recent photos, it's strange that most of those issued immediately were about a year old!

I also wonder why they have missed the opportunity to show Madeleine's bedroom - what a good marketing ploy that would have been, left untouched since the day she went on holiday.

Yes even Karen Mathews mother of Sharron showed Sharron's bedroom with new bedding.

by **tigger** 24.09.12 19:44

It struck me that they've described Madeleine from photographs, not so much from memory.
Here's Blacksmith on the book - I'd overlooked it - didn't realise the aircraft video is the other aide memoire.
Then what about the Madeleine passages? Can we be fairly sure that they don't spring from the narrative either? They certainly don't seem to. Significantly our first real view of Madeleine on holiday — on the aircraft steps — is given not from direct memory but from the video made by the group.

In the Swedish interview we have Gerry saying his last memory is of the pool photograph. Not Maddie but a picture of Maddie.