Re: Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat

by ProfessorPPlum 10.08.12 22:00

russiandoll wrote: But it seems that nobody can be bothered and this is affecting the image of Portugal abroad”, Birch told CM.

Is it really? Not from where I stand it isn't.

This seems a really sour-grapesey sort of thing to say IMO. If the PJ aren't bothered I'll assume it's for the simplest reason. He can show cavities all day long on fancy print-outs but frankly, they mean very little without a convincing argument explaining exactly how and why Madeleine's body came to be there and as I said before, I'll bet you that what's missing.

by aiyoyo 11.08.12 3:25

Stephen Birch guarantees that the girl is buried at Robert Murat’s home

At most what he can guarantee, one would have thought, is that there is something interned there.
How could he possibly guarantee it was Madeleine unless he's inside information.
No wonder no authority is taking him seriously.
He can bark about it to every authority but on one will waste time and resources unless he produces substantive evidence how he guarantees it was Madeleine.

by Lance De Boils 11.08.12 13:47

I apologise in advance for having skimmed through this long topic and will have missed some things. This is obviously the piece of kit Birch used.
http://www.malags.com/home

Now, I've watched the video clip where he shows a scan result which he has interpreted as being the location of a buried object. I'm afraid that the image he provides is not enough for anyone to draw any conclusions from. I would want to see the data for a much greater area so that I could see how the land lies (yes, pun intended) for at least a couple of metres around that spot in each direction.

If, for example, the rest of the images collected are remarkably different, then yes - it could be possible to conclude that this is a spot where an object is buried. But how big an area shows these undulations?

In other words, it's a maybe, maybe not from me. To convince me and far importantly the authorities in Portugal, I hope Mr Birch can provide some normals - some standards for comparison.

Hope that makes sense to someone other than me!

by ShuBob 13.09.12 12:40

Update - man claims to have found remains of Madeleine Mcann 567 CapeTalk Radio

KIENO KAMMIES
13 September 2012 8:20 AM

About a month ago, John spoke to Stephen Birch, who claims that after a 15-month independent investigation that he has found the remains of British toddler Madeleine McCann.

Birch, a Cape Town businessman made international headlines with these claims, five years after McCann inexplicably disappeared while on holiday with her family in Portugal.

He told John that he travelled to London, met with his lawyer and hired a ground penetrating imaging device.

He then travelled to Portugal and from the scans he "illegally" took of the area believed to be the ground in which her remains are buried, he says there is proof that it is indeed true.

Birch joined John on the line from his Cape Town offices with an update.

He says that there is progress and that there is a major cover-up by both the British and Portuguese police.

He says that DNA evidence was planted in the vehicle hired 24 days after McCann's disappearance to frame her parents. He says that he has been liaising with investigators and investigative reporters in Lisbon and that together with them, he still believes that they have significant evidence to determine.

He says that he has a letter from the Portugese Prime Minister stating that they have checked the piece of land Birch claims Madeleine is buried under, however, he claims that even the Prime Minister is involved in the cover-up.

Guest: Stephen Birch
Position: Property Developer

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

by tiny 13.09.12 12:50

Oh dear,so now the mccanns are being framed,Oh please

by Woofer 13.09.12 12:54

So how would the `planter` of Maddie`s DNA managed to have got hold of it before placing it in the car?

by Guest 13.09.12 12:57

Woofer wrote:So how would the `planter` of Maddie`s DNA managed to have got hold of it before placing it in the car?

Yep.

I think someone has forgotten to tell him that the trial date set for today has been cancelled, oops!! Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat - Page 19 110921

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by AskTheDogsSandra 13.09.12 12:57

tiny wrote:Oh dear,so now the mccanns are being framed,Oh please

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by ShuBob 13.09.12 13:18

Woofer wrote:So how would the `planter` of Maddie`s DNA managed to have got hold of it before placing it in the car?

By stealing Maddie's sandals and the twins' soiled nappies of course. How else? :sigh:

by sonic72 13.09.12 14:00

I'm not sure what Birch is up to but he is contradicting himself. One minute he is saying evidence was planted, and the next minute he is saying there is a police cover-up?

I'd agree that it seems the UK police/government are covering for the McCann's, but they're not going to 'plant' DNA and then let them go Scott free!

I'm assuming he thinks they planted cadaver scent too?!

Just like Brian Kennedy, how come Birch has had no interest in other missing children, and then all of a sudden decides to spend his money trying to find her, when there are loads of other kids that need finding?

by jozi 13.09.12 15:08

ShuBob wrote:
Woofer wrote:So how would the `planter` of Maddie`s DNA managed to have got hold of it before placing it in the car?

By stealing Maddie's sandals and the twins' soiled nappies of course. How else? :sigh:

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Wonder who is paying him,hope its not coming out of the Maddie Fund ? Could be the fighting fund though ???

Seriaas, he has finally shown his true colours ! LOL. Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat - Page 19 1956175960

Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat - Page 19 1956175960

by uppatoffee 13.09.12 17:38

Well, well what a surprise. We said that it would all come back around the time of the trial. I am just surprised that Mr Birch has come out in support of the McCanns after all. He certainly did not give the impression he believed them in his previous interviews. Perhaps he has had a little phone call from CR in the interim period which has focused his opinions somewhat.

I am interested to hear how Mr Birch thinks that the Portuguese police planted the various blood spots and DNA evidence. In particular I would love to know how they managed to only plant cadaver odour in McCann locations. Quite an impressive feat. Or were these all false alerts as Kate suggested?

by Newintown 13.09.12 17:44

uppatoffee wrote:Well, well what a surprise. We said that it would all come back around the time of the trial. I am just surprised that Mr Birch has come out in support of the McCanns after all. He certainly did not give the impression he believed them in his previous interviews. Perhaps he has had a little phone call from CR in the interim period which has focused his opinions somewhat.

I am interested to hear how Mr Birch thinks that the Portuguese police planted the various blood spots and DNA evidence. In particular I would love to know how they managed to only plant cadaver odour in McCann locations. Quite an impressive feat. Or were these all false alerts as Kate suggested?

Kate was the only one who had the cadaver odour on her clothes, why didn't Gerry's clothes have any on? If the PJ were spreading the odour around the flat I would have presumed they would have spread it in obvious places, on a bed or on the sofa for instance, and Gerry's clothes as well as Kate's. It's strange that the odour and blood were found behind the sofa and it had been pushed against the wall.

by Guest 13.09.12 18:49

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stephen-birch/11/6ab/701

I think that it will surprise everyone to learn that Mr Birch has been "acknowledged worldwide" for solving this case.

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by pennylane 13.09.12 18:59

Jean wrote:http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stephen-birch/11/6ab/701

I think that it will surprise everyone to learn that Mr Birch has been "acknowledged worldwide" for solving this case.

I must have dosed off and missed it! Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat - Page 19 110921

by Invinoveritas 13.09.12 19:00

brilliant, what would we do without him:quote:
Stephen Birch has also been acknowleged worldwide for solving the
International Madeleine McCann abduction case. (see Youtube Stephen
Birch Madeleine): end quote
Now that is a relief, I take my hat off, all those years that we have been here trying to work out what happened and all it needed was a geo-radar, why didn´t I think of that before? Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat - Page 19 2699404744

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by Guest 13.09.12 20:11

aiyoyo wrote:
Stephen Birch guarantees that the girl is buried at Robert Murat’s home
At most what he can guarantee, one would have thought, is that there is something interned there.
How could he possibly guarantee it was Madeleine unless he's inside information.
No wonder no authority is taking him seriously.
He can bark about it to every authority but on one will waste time and resources unless he produces substantive evidence how he guarantees it was Madeleine.

Loony bin territory, as far as I'm concerned

by Snifferdog 13.09.12 21:22

Well well well this is strange, the PJ should definitely consider digging where Stephen Birch has indicated! Could it be the location of Madeleines body is coming from the 'Horses Mouth' so to speak via Stephen Birch? Is he saying the PJ had access to missing Madeleine, alive, or sadly dead?
Is Stephen Birch accusing the PJ of obtaining:

Blood from Madeleine and pouring it on the floor and elsewhere, then mopping it up so that just traces remain.
Fluids from her body and planting it in the mccs hired car
Hiding her body!!! As they must have had access to it to get hold of her blood and body fluids.
Btw did you know you get a LOT of South African Rands for your Pounds these days eh?

by uppatoffee 13.09.12 21:59

Jean wrote:http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stephen-birch/11/6ab/701

I think that it will surprise everyone to learn that Mr Birch has been "acknowledged worldwide" for solving this case.

He certainly has been acknowledged worldwide. Not sure it is for that reason though

by aiyoyo 13.09.12 23:27

B/ hell I've heard it all now!
Just do me in, bury me under Mccanns' front yard, and bring in the dogs. Maybe that way we can frame the mccanns properly.

Stephen Bitch ooops *Birch* should stop wincing and gloating at the same time unless he can tell us where or how he thinks the PJ got hold of Maddie's Cadaver in the first place and who in the PJ did he think was given that hideous task?

by russiandoll 14.09.12 8:56

Not sure what the game is , but after the first interesting initial statements by him, there was a silence when he was asked for explanations of his theory/theories, no doubt there would be the same silence about this even more implausibe theory. Best to remain silent and ignore, he seems to be merely seeking attention with nothing believable to say.
The review team and Portuguese authorities might well have discreetly arranged to check out the back yard of Murat claim and found what was expected..nothing. The more I read, the less credible it became, the media in Portugal took up an interest initially which was worth reading, as soon as they stopped reporting it was clear Mr Birch was not being taken seriously.

by Guest 14.09.12 14:02

Link to radio interview with Stephen Birch.

http://soundcloud.com/2oceansvibe-com/stephen-birch-13Sept2012

by ProfessorPPlum 14.09.12 14:06

Agree, Russiandoll.

I have no time for people who come up with theories but are so precious about them they can't or won't share them. First of all, it's never in the interest of justice, it's always coloured by their need for fame, approval or some other kind of pay-off. Stephen Birch has to have an explanation for why he claims Madeleine's body is there but I suspect he doesn't share it because doing so would immediately end his brief moment of fame. He can only remain in the picture so long as he doesn't lay bare his reasoning because it would pretty quickly be taken apart assuming it was b****ks.

I have the same reaction to @Oddityfinder on Twitter who claims to have a picture of Madeleine's body although she never actually says that (it's all part of manipulating the 'mystery') in the Rocha Negra cliffs - but will never show it. She's a retired artist, living in the UK and is an active 'UFO spotter' (by her own account). That, for me, just about says it all.

by aiyoyo 14.09.12 15:31

ProfessorPPlum wrote:Agree, Russiandoll.

I have no time for people who come up with theories but are so precious about them they can't or won't share them. First of all, it's never in the interest of justice, it's always coloured by their need for fame, approval or some other kind of pay-off. Stephen Birch has to have an explanation for why he claims Madeleine's body is there but I suspect he doesn't share it because doing so would immediately end his brief moment of fame. He can only remain in the picture so long as he doesn't lay bare his reasoning because it would pretty quickly be taken apart assuming it was b****ks.

I have the same reaction to @Oddityfinder on Twitter who claims to have a picture of Madeleine's body although she never actually says that (it's all part of manipulating the 'mystery') in the Rocha Negra cliffs - but will never show it. She's a retired artist, living in the UK and is an active 'UFO spotter' (by her own account). That, for me, just about says it all.

LOL. Perhaps she is suggesting Maddie was UFO abducted!

by **Nina** 14.09.12 15:54

aiyoyo wrote:
ProfessorPPlum wrote:Agree, Russiandoll.

I have no time for people who come up with theories but are so precious about them they can't or won't share them. First of all, it's never in the interest of justice, it's always coloured by their need for fame, approval or some other kind of pay-off. Stephen Birch has to have an explanation for why he claims Madeleine's body is there but I suspect he doesn't share it because doing so would immediately end his brief moment of fame. He can only remain in the picture so long as he doesn't lay bare his reasoning because it would pretty quickly be taken apart assuming it was b****ks.

I have the same reaction to @Oddityfinder on Twitter who claims to have a picture of Madeleine's body although she never actually says that (it's all part of manipulating the 'mystery') in the Rocha Negra cliffs - but will never show it. She's a retired artist, living in the UK and is an active 'UFO spotter' (by her own account). That, for me, just about says it all.

LOL. Perhaps she is suggesting Maddie was UFO abducted!

No, he is saying that she was possibly sedated, fell behind the sofa and broke her neck and was taken and buried in the garden of RM, all on the 3rd. He said her body was buried to cover up gross neglect.

by aiyoyo 15.09.12 2:39

But he also said PJ framed the mccanns.

There was no neglect. It was their alibi.

by Guest 15.09.12 10:02

If I understand this correctly, Mr Birch is sure that Madeleine died on 3rd May (after falling over the back of the sofa) and was buried the same day in the Murats' garden.

Yet he doesn't think the McCanns had anything to do with either event and they were framed with the later DNA evidence?

I'm just going to lie down in my darkened room......

by bobbin 15.09.12 10:29

Jean wrote:If I understand this correctly, Mr Birch is sure that Madeleine died on 3rd May (after falling over the back of the sofa) and was buried the same day in the Murats' garden.

Yet he doesn't think the McCanns had anything to do with either event and they were framed with the later DNA evidence?

I'm just going to lie down in my darkened room......

I love your succinct summary. It would go down so well in a crowded court room. Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat - Page 19 110921

by Liz Eagles 15.09.12 10:50

Portia wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
Stephen Birch guarantees that the girl is buried at Robert Murat’s home
At most what he can guarantee, one would have thought, is that there is something interned there.
How could he possibly guarantee it was Madeleine unless he's inside information.
No wonder no authority is taking him seriously.
He can bark about it to every authority but on one will waste time and resources unless he produces substantive evidence how he guarantees it was Madeleine.

Loony bin territory, as far as I'm concerned

I was reprimanded for saying 'nutcase' and had to apologize to the forum. Guess my first instinct was right.

by russiandoll 15.09.12 13:17

bobbin wrote:
Jean wrote:If I understand this correctly, Mr Birch is sure that Madeleine died on 3rd May (after falling over the back of the sofa) and was buried the same day in the Murats' garden.

Yet he doesn't think the McCanns had anything to do with either event and they were framed with the later DNA evidence?

I'm just going to lie down in my darkened room......

I love your succinct summary. It would go down so well in a crowded court room.

I listened to the entire discussion and heard Mr Birch say his theory is that the Tapas 9 all pointed at Murat,[ the patsy though this word was not used] wanted the body found so that Murat would be charged and the case closed.......so he is definitely implicating the McCanns in the disappearance and the planting of the DNA in the hire car was a last -ditch attempt to ensure they did not walk free. He is completely accepting Amaral's conclusion of an accident, fall off the sofa and is definitely not pro McCann from what I heard.......he said he was careful in his wording because he knows the pair are taking legal action left right and centre.....