Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat

Woofer wrote:

monkey mind wrote:It seems like there is a wall of silence surrounding this issue from the TM camp.

I find it very interesting.

It causes me to wonder if this would be so if we weren't talking about Murat's property here?

What do you think?

Despite being fingered by the Tapas mob, and seemingly more than implicated by CM and G and K it seems Murat hasn't had a bad word to say of any of them since his Fleet St payout, I could be wrong but I haven't come across anything, even when he came out of the woodwork for his university shindig he didn't have much good to say of the press but I don't think he mentioned any of the T9 or CM. I'd be happy to be corrected on that one.

And TM seem reluctant to comment on Murat and his mother's property other than 'no comment'. You would think they would say something wouldn't you? Anythingwould be better than no thing.

Hands up those who would like to have been a fly on the Portuguese wall when Kennedy and Smethurst met up with Murat and his lawyer.

Let me make it clear that I am in no way implying that that meeting and this apparent mutual silence is related, not at all, people are free to think what they will about that. It's just that I would have liked to be a fly on the wall and here seemed a good place to pose the question as to how many others would also liked to have been....

It also struck me odd that he said derogatory things about GA and his team - it made me think `whose side are you actually on?` As far as I recall, he didn`t even say much before the big payout as he wasn`t allowed to. And yes, I think we`re all agreed that the meeting with Kennedy & Smethurst stinks, it shouldn`t have happened and Kennedy could be done for interfering with witnesses in a police investigation. Totally wrong.

Just a thought ...... Could it have been that the Panorama programme cut off part of what Murat was saying. Maybe he said derogatory things about the McCanns and the Tapas lot but those words were deleted to make GA look bad on the programme, as the whole programme seemed to be fawning over the McCanns.

If Mccanns know she is not buried there then why the silence? Surely if they are not guilty they would want it examined to be sure and not be so dismissive of Birch?

Newintown wrote:

Woofer wrote:

monkey mind wrote:It seems like there is a wall of silence surrounding this issue from the TM camp.

I find it very interesting.

It causes me to wonder if this would be so if we weren't talking about Murat's property here?

What do you think?

Despite being fingered by the Tapas mob, and seemingly more than implicated by CM and G and K it seems Murat hasn't had a bad word to say of any of them since his Fleet St payout, I could be wrong but I haven't come across anything, even when he came out of the woodwork for his university shindig he didn't have much good to say of the press but I don't think he mentioned any of the T9 or CM. I'd be happy to be corrected on that one.

And TM seem reluctant to comment on Murat and his mother's property other than 'no comment'. You would think they would say something wouldn't you? Anythingwould be better than no thing.

Hands up those who would like to have been a fly on the Portuguese wall when Kennedy and Smethurst met up with Murat and his lawyer.

Let me make it clear that I am in no way implying that that meeting and this apparent mutual silence is related, not at all, people are free to think what they will about that. It's just that I would have liked to be a fly on the wall and here seemed a good place to pose the question as to how many others would also liked to have been....

It also struck me odd that he said derogatory things about GA and his team - it made me think `whose side are you actually on?` As far as I recall, he didn`t even say much before the big payout as he wasn`t allowed to. And yes, I think we`re all agreed that the meeting with Kennedy & Smethurst stinks, it shouldn`t have happened and Kennedy could be done for interfering with witnesses in a police investigation. Totally wrong.

Just a thought ...... Could it have been that the Panorama programme cut off part of what Murat was saying. Maybe he said derogatory things about the McCanns and the Tapas lot but those words were deleted to make GA look bad on the programme, as the whole programme seemed to be fawning over the McCanns.

I suppose that`s possible newintown, but since the beginning Murat has never said anything against the McCanns as far as I know. It would be interesting if someone could prove otherwise.

Newintown wrote: Just a thought ...... Could it have been that the Panorama programme cut off part of what Murat was saying. Maybe he said derogatory things about the McCanns and the Tapas lot but those words were deleted to make GA look bad on the programme, as the whole programme seemed to be fawning over the McCanns.

This is highly possible. They edited GA to make him look like he said 'the PJ made mistakes' in the abduction fairytale, when he was most likely saying 'the PJ made mistakes' in not looking at the mccanns earlier in the investigation

They did heavy editing in the Channel 4 documentary..Even changing Martin Smiths statement description of the man/child to match jane tanners. They should be brought to book for doing this by lying and deceiving the public. On one hand they do things like this and change the facts to suit their agenda... yet on the other hand they get carter ruck to sue & destroy people from saying the facts!!!

Woofer wrote:

Newintown wrote:

Woofer wrote:

monkey mind wrote:It seems like there is a wall of silence surrounding this issue from the TM camp.

I find it very interesting.

It causes me to wonder if this would be so if we weren't talking about Murat's property here?

What do you think?

Despite being fingered by the Tapas mob, and seemingly more than implicated by CM and G and K it seems Murat hasn't had a bad word to say of any of them since his Fleet St payout, I could be wrong but I haven't come across anything, even when he came out of the woodwork for his university shindig he didn't have much good to say of the press but I don't think he mentioned any of the T9 or CM. I'd be happy to be corrected on that one.

And TM seem reluctant to comment on Murat and his mother's property other than 'no comment'. You would think they would say something wouldn't you? Anythingwould be better than no thing.

Hands up those who would like to have been a fly on the Portuguese wall when Kennedy and Smethurst met up with Murat and his lawyer.

Let me make it clear that I am in no way implying that that meeting and this apparent mutual silence is related, not at all, people are free to think what they will about that. It's just that I would have liked to be a fly on the wall and here seemed a good place to pose the question as to how many others would also liked to have been....

It also struck me odd that he said derogatory things about GA and his team - it made me think `whose side are you actually on?` As far as I recall, he didn`t even say much before the big payout as he wasn`t allowed to. And yes, I think we`re all agreed that the meeting with Kennedy & Smethurst stinks, it shouldn`t have happened and Kennedy could be done for interfering with witnesses in a police investigation. Totally wrong.

Just a thought ...... Could it have been that the Panorama programme cut off part of what Murat was saying. Maybe he said derogatory things about the McCanns and the Tapas lot but those words were deleted to make GA look bad on the programme, as the whole programme seemed to be fawning over the McCanns.

I suppose that`s possible newintown, but since the beginning Murat has never said anything against the McCanns as far as I know. It would be interesting if someone could prove otherwise.

I found this article from the Daily Quoting Murat's Mother.

Robert Murat's mother has accused the McCanns of making her family's lives a misery.

Mr Murat, the first official suspect in the case, and his relatives, are being punished because the McCanns left Madeleine in their holiday apartment, his mother Jenny believes.

From her villa in Praia da Luz, she said: "I really wish the McCanns had never gone on holiday to Praia da Luz.

"I bet they wish they had never come on holiday here either.

"The worst part of it is they did something wrong [by leaving Madeleine alone], we did nothing wrong and we have been penalised for their mistake."

The 71-year-old also accused the detective agency hired by Kate and Gerry McCann of lying and bribing witnesses to get them to change their stories.

Mrs Murat said Metodo 3 detectives followed her for a week.



"Metodo were getting people to change their statements, following everybody everywhere. They were certainly following me."



Mrs Murat has always said that she was with her son on the evening of May 3.

But three friends of the McCanns, who were dining with them when Madeleine went missing, are certain that Robert Murat introduced himself to them and asked if he could help with the search for Madeleine that night.

Staff at the resort have also claimed they saw Mr Murat that night.

But his mother told the Evening Standard: "If they (Metodo 3) have anybody who saw Robert, they are paying them to lie."

The McCanns' spokesman said: "Kate and Gerry felt they had done everything possible for their children on May 3 and that they were perfectly safe

"It is a ridiculous suggestion to claim Metodo 3 are paying witnesses to change their story."

Meanwhile, it was claimed in a Spanish newspaper that the Foreign Office sent a memo to staff instructing them to "avoid offering support" to Mr Murat, 34, three days after he was named as a suspect.



And a Portuguese newspaper reported that police do not consider Mr Murat's German girlfriend, Michaela Walczuch, to be a suspect



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-501419/Stop-punishing-Murats-mother-tells-McCanns.html#ixzz21xiN1Po9







Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-501419/Stop-punishing-Murats-mother-tells-McCanns.html#ixzz21xhDWywN

You do have to seriously question why robert murat never sued lori campbell nor even tried to. Forget carter ruck, lori campbell committed the most libellous and slanderous accusations anyone could make without any evidence into the worldwide public domain, doing interviews on sky news, all based purely on a 'feeling' with absolutely nothing to back her up...... yet he does absolutely nothing!!

You also have to seriously question why robert murat stopped suing jane tanner as well, she named him as the abductor suspect without even seeing his face, as well her description being different to that of him. He started to but then 'something' stopped him.....Maybe he took a liking to John Deere products!

jd wrote:You do have to seriously question why robert murat never sued lori campbell nor even tried to. Forget carter ruck, lori campbell committed the most libellous and slanderous accusations anyone could make without any evidence into the worldwide public domain, doing interviews on sky news, all based purely on a 'feeling' with absolutely nothing to back her up...... yet he does absolutely nothing!!

You also have to seriously question why robert murat stopped suing jane tanner as well, she named him as the abductor suspect without even seeing his face, as well her description being different to that of him. He started to but then 'something' stopped him.....Maybe he took a liking to John Deere products!

He didn't do nothing. He sued her employers the Sunday Mirror and they admitted in court that they lied about him acting like Ian Huntley and the other stuff they wrote about it. Outside court, his lawyer gave a press conference where he left listeners in no doubt that Lori Campbell was a liar. After that, I think he would have found it difficult to sue her personally.

Nelly6969 wrote:If Mccanns know she is not buried there then why the silence? Surely if they are not guilty they would want it examined to be sure and not be so dismissive of Birch?

Exactly.

A 'no comment' from the McCanns is bizarre and can only mean that they know for sure she is under Murat's drive or they know for sure she is somewhere else. Otherwise they'd want it excavated.

ShuBob wrote:
He didn't do nothing. He sued her employers the Sunday Mirror and they admitted in court that they lied about him acting like Ian Huntley and the other stuff they wrote about it. Outside court, his lawyer gave a press conference where he left listeners in no doubt that Lori Campbell was a liar. After that, I think he would have found it difficult to sue her personally.

Do you have any links for this? First time I have ever heard robert murat suing anyone over lori campbells most libellous and slanderous accusations. I don't see what the Sunday Mirror has to do with anything as lori campbell made these libellous accusations personally, and not on behalf of her employers or anybody else

jd wrote:

ShuBob wrote:
He didn't do nothing. He sued her employers the Sunday Mirror and they admitted in court that they lied about him acting like Ian Huntley and the other stuff they wrote about it. Outside court, his lawyer gave a press conference where he left listeners in no doubt that Lori Campbell was a liar. After that, I think he would have found it difficult to sue her personally.

Do you have any links for this? First time I have ever heard robert murat suing anyone over lori campbells most libellous and slanderous accusations. I don't see what the Sunday Mirror has to do with anything as lori campbell made these libellous accusations personally, and not on behalf of her employers or anybody else

Are you serious? You are not aware that he sued a number of British newspapers including the Sunday Mirror along with Sky news?

roy rovers wrote:

Nelly6969 wrote:If Mccanns know she is not buried there then why the silence? Surely if they are not guilty they would want it examined to be sure and not be so dismissive of Birch?

Exactly.

A 'no comment' from the McCanns is bizarre and can only mean that they know for sure she is under Murat's drive or they know for sure she is somewhere else. Otherwise they'd want it excavated.

Yes Roy Rovers it could mean either of those things.

There are a couple of other possibilities though...

1. They refuse to dignify anything Mr Birch has to say by any form of comment. Personally speaking I tend to dismiss this as a possibility, because it does after all seem rather unnatural. If your daughter had been missing for 5 years and you genuinely had no idea as to her whereabouts, it surely must at some stage have entered your mind that she may be dead, to not have considered this possibility seems inconceivable and as has been pointed out by another poster on this thread most people would dig the earth with their bear hands if there was a chance of finding her no matter how remote, let alone in the grounds of someone once considered a suspect. So this reason makes little sense to me.

2. It seems possible they may have come to some mutual legally binding agreement not to discuss publicly Murat or any member of his family. To do so would be in breach of such an agreement and open a veritable Pandora’s box, a most unwelcome backlash. Such a mutually beneficial agreement would not only account for TM silence in relation to this matter but also RM’s seeming complete lack of public comment about the T9, the people that allegedly identified him. In fact, I find it a little odd that Murat hasn’t just said dig it up and be done with it!!

Of course, if hypothesis 2 above were correct, this doesn't automatically eliminate either of Roy Rovers's points. Come to think of it if 1 is correct that doesn't eliminate one of Roy's points either.....

ShuBob wrote:Are you serious? You are not aware that he sued a number of British newspapers including the Sunday Mirror along with Sky news?

Yes I know he got roughly £50,000 from about 10 newspapers, plus compensation from Sky which has never been fully disclosed the exact details of. (even if I didn't know... so what, this is why we are here to learn & discuss and nobody knows everything ShuBob)

This is not what I was asking. lori campbell is a separate issue to the rest of the British newspapers and is a personal one. She made her most libellous and slanderous accusations 'personally' off of her own back, so if an individual is making these slanderous accusations and tarnishing her targets reputation in the world forever without any foundations whatsoever, why hasn't robert murat sued her?

If the mccanns/carter ruck can sue GA & Tony for purporting theories on 'facts'...why isn't robert murat suing lori campbell who had 'no facts' and just made hers on a whim of a feeling. The damage she caused him will last forever. To me something is very much amiss here

Robert Murat received around £600,000 from several newspaper groups, PLUS an UNDISCLOSED amount from Sky. The sky figure has never been published as far as I know, and is a closely guarded secret.

Details here on this link of payouts, apologies etc.



http://www.mccannfiles.com/id133.html

As the Guardian said "Eleven newspapers libelled Robert Murat. Unfortunately, it will take more than a £50,000 penalty to deter them in future"...Exactly! Murat sued 11 Newspapers and Sky accepting a low equal amount from each of them...but does nothing to the person who made the most libellous and slanderous accusations against him, lori campbell. And also stopped suing jane tanner who made more libellous accusations than any of the newspapers.....Interesting

What is he going to do about Stephen Birch? Nothing again? This will say a lot if he doesn't judging on past history

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From this picture can we identify the area that S.Birch is talking about ?

Might it be the area just inside the gate where the silver car is parked as I think Mr Birch mentioned a secondary driveway with no room to turn a car?

From what Mr Birch said, it would seem that the location is directly below the swimming pool area, if you look at google earth and use the timeline function, you can see a difference in the area on the 2011 images, (they are very poor quality) also that area has a bordering wall to the right that would tie in with his comments about going over the wall, the area has definitely altered and there does seem to be no real point to it, (if it has been made into a path or driveway), imo.

I Still cannot understand why a parent of a missing child would reply on national TV, when asked about Stephen Birch "who is this guy?", it beggars belief, surely if there is a chance of closure in some respect, you would be desperate to find that answer? Bizarre also the fact that the british press almost ignored it to a man, fake or not, yet will print totally fictitious "sightings" almost on command, again just my opinion.

It would really help if Mr. Birch popped by and told us exactly where he is talking about as I do not see any point in trying to just pick a spot, if he is that certain , let him show us

this is in today's correo de manha

South Africa called for the reopening of the case
Evidence of Maddie in the hands of the RMP.

Pinto Monteiro said Office is investigating the backyard track of Murat. To read the CM.

The initials translate in google from Portuguese PGR which is I believe the Attorney General. There is nothing but this brief report that I can find so far, will look in other newspapers.

russiandoll wrote:this is in today's correo de manha

South Africa called for the reopening of the case
Evidence of Maddie in the hands of the RMP.

Pinto Monteiro said Office is investigating the backyard track of Murat. To read the CM.

The initials translate in google from Portuguese PGR which is I believe the Attorney General. There is nothing but this brief report that I can find so far, will look in other newspapers.

The words reopening of the case are music to my ears.

not sure what is going on ot how reliable this report is also from CdM

Office of the Attorney General Pinto Monteiro is looking at the track in the yard of Murat.

A report with new data which suggest that Madeleine McCann is buried in the backyard of the house of Robert Murat, the cententas few meters from the tourist village Ocean Club, where the British child disappeared in May 2007 in Praia da Luz, Lagos, was delivered last week to the Attorney General's Office.

According to the Morning Post, the document prepared by Birch Organisation apo using geo-radar site, the RMP are asked to give instructions to proceed with the excavations in order to clarify what is buried in the rear access of the property.

more in today's CdM
By: John C. Rodrigues

A report with new data which suggest that Madeleine McCann is buried in the backyard of the house of Robert Murat, a few hundred meters from the Ocean Club holiday village, where the British child disappeared in May 2007 in Praia da Luz, Lagos, was delivered last week the Attorney General's Office.

In the document prepared by Birch Organisation after the use of geo-radar site, you are asked the attorney general to give instructions to proceed with the excavations in order to clarify what is buried in the rear access of the property. "The report reveals two aspects that are new. First, the Portuguese authorities did not investigate how it should be the property of Robert Murat. And second, there is something underground, as evidenced by the images of the geo-radar," he said yesterday CM entrepreneur and researcher Stephen Birch.

The South African further calls Pinto Monteiro for ordering "a monitoring site to prevent the crime scene is compromised or tampered with." Contacted yesterday by CM, an official source of the PGR said that "the attorney general's office actually received a document from the Birch Organisation and the data received will be examined by competent judges."

However, the same source added that "the process will only be reopened if any new facts, credible and relevant, which until now has not happened yet."

Stephen Birch sent that report to the British authorities, but says he turned out to be investigated: "I just asked where he had arranged the radar." Birch also questioned why nothing was done since has shown a month ago, there was the possibility of Maddie being dead and buried. "They need to shovel?" He asks.

Invaded property

To use the geo-radar, Birch invaded the land of Robert Murat the night, when the British left. Just released the results when he returned to his country.

Parents accused

After Robert Murat, Maddie's parents were made arguidos in September 2007 on suspicion of hiding the corpse of the girl.

Case filed

The inquiry was closed in July 2008. Can only be reopened on the initiative of the prosecutor.

Thank you for bringing us the updates russiondoll

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an official source of the PGR said that "the attorney general's office actually received a document from the Birch Organisation and the data received will be examined by competent judges."

Hmmm, wonder if they will re-open the case. I doubt it somehow.

russiandoll wrote:more in today's CdM
By: John C. Rodrigues

A report with new data which suggest that Madeleine McCann is buried in the backyard of the house of Robert Murat, a few hundred meters from the Ocean Club holiday village, where the British child disappeared in May 2007 in Praia da Luz, Lagos, was delivered last week the Attorney General's Office.

In the document prepared by Birch Organisation after the use of geo-radar site, you are asked the attorney general to give instructions to proceed with the excavations in order to clarify what is buried in the rear access of the property. "The report reveals two aspects that are new. First, the Portuguese authorities did not investigate how it should be the property of Robert Murat. And second, there is something underground, as evidenced by the images of the geo-radar," he said yesterday CM entrepreneur and researcher Stephen Birch.

The South African further calls Pinto Monteiro for ordering "a monitoring site to prevent the crime scene is compromised or tampered with." Contacted yesterday by CM, an official source of the PGR said that "the attorney general's office actually received a document from the Birch Organisation and the data received will be examined by competent judges."

However, the same source added that "the process will only be reopened if any new facts, credible and relevant, which until now has not happened yet."

Stephen Birch sent that report to the British authorities, but says he turned out to be investigated: "I just asked where he had arranged the radar." Birch also questioned why nothing was done since has shown a month ago, there was the possibility of Maddie being dead and buried. "They need to shovel?" He asks.

Invaded property

To use the geo-radar, Birch invaded the land of Robert Murat the night, when the British left. Just released the results when he returned to his country.

Parents accused

After Robert Murat, Maddie's parents were made arguidos in September 2007 on suspicion of hiding the corpse of the girl.

Case filed

The inquiry was closed in July 2008. Can only be reopened on the initiative of the prosecutor.

Thank you for the further update russiandoll. There is certainly some disturbance beneath the surface level, but it could be many things, from tree roots to yes something buried but only a dig would reveal. And still not done.

russiandoll wrote:more in today's CdM
By: John C. Rodrigues

A report with new data which suggest that Madeleine McCann is buried in the backyard of the house of Robert Murat, a few hundred meters from the Ocean Club holiday village, where the British child disappeared in May 2007 in Praia da Luz, Lagos, was delivered last week the Attorney General's Office.

In the document prepared by Birch Organisation after the use of geo-radar site, you are asked the attorney general to give instructions to proceed with the excavations in order to clarify what is buried in the rear access of the property. "The report reveals two aspects that are new. First, the Portuguese authorities did not investigate how it should be the property of Robert Murat. And second, there is something underground, as evidenced by the images of the geo-radar," he said yesterday CM entrepreneur and researcher Stephen Birch.

The South African further calls Pinto Monteiro for ordering "a monitoring site to prevent the crime scene is compromised or tampered with." Contacted yesterday by CM, an official source of the PGR said that "the attorney general's office actually received a document from the Birch Organisation and the data received will be examined by competent judges."

However, the same source added that "the process will only be reopened if any new facts, credible and relevant, which until now has not happened yet."

Stephen Birch sent that report to the British authorities, but says he turned out to be investigated: "I just asked where he had arranged the radar." Birch also questioned why nothing was done since has shown a month ago, there was the possibility of Maddie being dead and buried. "They need to shovel?" He asks.

Invaded property

To use the geo-radar, Birch invaded the land of Robert Murat the night, when the British left. Just released the results when he returned to his country.

Parents accused

After Robert Murat, Maddie's parents were made arguidos in September 2007 on suspicion of hiding the corpse of the girl.

Case filed

The inquiry was closed in July 2008. Can only be reopened on the initiative of the prosecutor.

Thank you russiandoll. I do hope that this will actually get followed through and the case reopened.

Does the case have to be reopened to enable the dig to be undertaken?

Nina wrote:Does the case have to be reopened to enable the dig to be undertaken?

If only I knew Nina! Probably only a Portuguese poster would know the answer to your query...

If I was leaving no stone unturned, I would take a little peak at the huge big brick placed right in front of me.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/investigador-de-maddie-escreve-a-passos-e-cavaco

10th August 2012.

Stephen Birch guarantees that the girl is buried at Robert Murat’s home

Investigator Writes to Passos and Cavaco


Stephen Birch, the South African investigator who searched Robert Murat’s property with a geo-radar and who guarantees that Madeleine McCann is buried under a pathway at the back of the house, has written a letter to the President, Cavaco Silva and to the Prime Minister, Passos Coelho, appealing for political intervention in the case of the English girl’s disappearance from Lagos in May 2007.

“It is simple. It would be sufficient to carry out excavations in order to know whether Maddie is buried there. But it seems that nobody can be bothered and this is affecting the image of Portugal abroad”, Birch told CM. The investigator has also sent the letter to opposition parties. Two weeks ago, the “evidence” was sent to the General Prosecutor, who is analysing the document.

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