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Another reminder that a conviction can be made without a body - Essex Police announce search for the body of Danielle Jones

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Another reminder that a conviction can be made without a body - Essex Police announce search for the body of Danielle Jones

Post by Jill Havern on 15.05.17 10:51

Another reminder that this is not unusual


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4506584/Police-search-garage-block-body-Danielle-Jones.html
Police search garage block for the body of schoolgirl Danielle Jones
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Police in Essex today revealed officers are searching a garage block in Stifford Clays, Thurrock for Danielle's body. She was murder in 2001 by her uncle Stuart Campbell.
Police search garage block for the body of schoolgirl Danielle Jones, 15, whose remains have never been found after she was murdered in 2001 by her uncle
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Re: Another reminder that a conviction can be made without a body - Essex Police announce search for the body of Danielle Jones

Post by Tony Bennett on 15.05.17 12:07

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Another reminder that this is not unusual


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4506584/Police-search-garage-block-body-Danielle-Jones.html
Police search garage block for the body of schoolgirl Danielle Jones
www.dailymail.co.uk
Police in Essex today revealed officers are searching a garage block in Stifford Clays, Thurrock for Danielle's body. She was murder in 2001 by her uncle Stuart Campbell.
Police search garage block for the body of schoolgirl Danielle Jones, 15, whose remains have never been found after she was murdered in 2001 by her uncle

Yes. This case was about an abduction, swiftly followed by a murder, though Danielle's body was never found.

The builder, Stuart Campbell, was convicted on the basis of a lot of circumstantial evidence but not much in the way of forensic evidence. Sound familiar?

Stuart Campbell was part of a network of criminals and paedophiles in south Essex, some of who had very close links with corrupt senior Essex Police officers. It is thought that Campbell may have been regularly supplied with concrete by Upminster Concrete, based at Baldwins Farm, Essex, the place where Lee Balkwell was murdered - in a case where corrupt senior Essex Police officers were protecting guilty career criminals.

I hope all the truth now comes out about the murder of Danielle.

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Re: Another reminder that a conviction can be made without a body - Essex Police announce search for the body of Danielle Jones

Post by jeanmonroe on 15.05.17 12:29

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/callous-killer-david-gilroy-referred-7391265

CALLOUS killer David Gilroy referred to victim Suzanne Pilley as a “missing person” while conducting his own court appeal yesterday.

Gilroy was found guilty of murdering his colleague and former lover, whose body has never been found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Suzanne_Pilley

Aftermath

Despite extensive searches during the police investigation and after the trial, the body of Suzanne Pilley has never been found. Her remains are believed to be buried in a forest somewhere in Argyll.

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Re: Another reminder that a conviction can be made without a body - Essex Police announce search for the body of Danielle Jones

Post by princess_leia on 15.05.17 13:59

Speaking previously, Mrs Jones added: 'As a mum, you protect your children and I didn't protect her enough'


Don't think the McCann's have ever said anything close to that. And I am sure this poor mother did do everything she could to protect her daughter as any decent mother would. 

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Re: Another reminder that a conviction can be made without a body - Essex Police announce search for the body of Danielle Jones

Post by ChippyM on 15.05.17 14:07

@princess_leia wrote:Speaking previously, Mrs Jones added: 'As a mum, you protect your children and I didn't protect her enough'


Don't think the McCann's have ever said anything close to that. And I am sure this poor mother did do everything she could to protect her daughter as any decent mother would. 

That's like the girl who died at the theme park recently. Her dad was saying if only they hadn't moved from one town to another, she wouldn't have been there and wouldn't have gone on the trip, if only he'd been there he could have stopped it. He was totally blaming himself. It's irrational but what people do in grief.

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Re: Another reminder that a conviction can be made without a body - Essex Police announce search for the body of Danielle Jones

Post by princess_leia on 15.05.17 14:14

@ChippyM wrote:
@princess_leia wrote:Speaking previously, Mrs Jones added: 'As a mum, you protect your children and I didn't protect her enough'


Don't think the McCann's have ever said anything close to that. And I am sure this poor mother did do everything she could to protect her daughter as any decent mother would. 

That's like the girl who died at the theme park recently. Her dad was saying if only they hadn't moved from one town to another, she wouldn't have been there and wouldn't have gone on the trip, if only he'd been there he could have stopped it. He was totally blaming himself. It's irrational but what people do in grief.
It is so sad that parent who do everything they can to look after their kids blame themselves when something goes wrong, something completely out of their control. Then you have these 2, (whether you believe they were left alone or not) who accept no portion of the blame, even if to keep up the appearance of regret....nothing!

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Re: Another reminder that a conviction can be made without a body - Essex Police announce search for the body of Danielle Jones

Post by Verdi on 15.05.17 15:11

Another case from several years ago.  Pertinent points snipped..

Murder of Suzanne Pilley

Suzanne Pilley (1972 – May 2010) was a 38-year-old British bookkeeper from Edinburgh, Scotland, who went missing on the morning of 4 May 2010. Following a highly publicised appeal for information on her whereabouts and intensive police enquiries, her former lover, David Gilroy, was arrested and charged with her murder. He was found guilty by majority verdict on 15 March 2012 and sentenced to life imprisonment. The judge ordered him to serve a minimum of 18 years in prison. The case is controversial because the prosecution obtained a murder conviction without a body. The body of Suzanne Pilley has never been found
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The indictment ran to 5 pages. The principal charges libelled were that:

    On 4 May 2010, Mr Gilroy killed Ms Pilley at the offices of Infrastructure Managers Ltd, in Thistle Street, Edinburgh, or elsewhere, by means to the prosecutor unknown.
    Mr Gilroy concealed Ms Pilley’s corpse in the Thistle Street premises of Infrastructure Managers Ltd, transported it to Argyll in the boot of a car, and various locations around Scotland, and thereafter disposed of it by means to the prosecutor unknown
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On 23 February 2012, the advocate depute led evidence from a Lothian and Borders Police constable who told the court that they had enlisted the help of specially trained cadaver dogs from South Yorkshire Police to search the offices where David Gilroy and Suzanne Pilley worked. The dogs were specially trained to smell for blood and human remains. The court was told that the dogs, springer spaniels, had identified three areas of interest; one in the basement area of the offices, and two in the boot of David Gilroy's silver Vauxhall Vectra.
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On the afternoon of 12 March 2012, advocate depute Alex Prentice QC began addressing the jury. He told them that the Crown case was that Mr Gilroy had killed Ms Pilley in the basement of her office before hiding her body in a recess. That Mr Gilroy had then brought his car from home and put Ms Pilley's body in the boot and the next day transported her to a "lonely grave" somewhere in Argyll. He pointed to a "sudden interruption" in Ms Pilley's life since she had vanished. In particular, he highlighted that she had made no contact with anyone, there had been no activity on her credit cards and she had not made any arrangements for her pet fish and cat. It was also said that the lack of calls and texts from Mr Gilroy after Ms Pilley went missing suggested he knew she was already dead and that he had her phone. The advocate depute also reminded the jury that Mr Gilroy had gone on a journey of "no importance" the day after she had disappeared instead of "assisting the police inquiry".

On the morning of 13 March 2012, Jack Davidson QC began summing up the case for the defence. He urged the ladies and gentleman of the jury to assess the evidence 'dispassionately', and said that it would be unsafe to convict David Gilroy of murder because the case the Crown presented was a circumstantial one.

On the afternoon of 13 March 2012 the jury of eight men and seven woman were sent out to consider their verdict. After two and a half days of deliberations, on 15 March 2012 David Gilroy was found guilty by majority verdict of the murder of Suzanne Pilley and of attempting to defeat the ends of justice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Suzanne_Pilley

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