Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat

tuom wrote:

sweetex wrote:Just got back from an evening out.... just to read they are dismissing the claims.

I agree with all posters above that it can not be ignored. Not only for Maddie, but for all we know it could be another person's remains. For all we know he is a con, but now we will never know. How much can it actually cost to dig up a small piece of a garden? How long can it take?

Something is not right

Where did you see that they are dismissing the claims , that is such a pity ,

tuom wrote:

sweetex wrote:Just got back from an evening out.... just to read they are dismissing the claims.

I agree with all posters above that it can not be ignored. Not only for Maddie, but for all we know it could be another person's remains. For all we know he is a con, but now we will never know. How much can it actually cost to dig up a small piece of a garden? How long can it take?

Something is not right

Where did you see that they are dismissing the claims , that is such a pity ,

sweetex wrote:I hear you. And what you say makes probably sense. My thinking is:

1) If it was my child missing - I'd do anything, and I mean anything to have this followed up. If there is the slightest possibility that my child's body/remains was found I'd do anything to get to Portugal and ask the PJ to assist. I'd probably try and contact SB, to ask him a few questions.

2) If it was me living in that house, I'll practically beg the PJ to come do the excavations. Who wants to sleep inside a house with the possibility of having a body in your garden. Not me that I can assure you.

3) As someone said above, MM has been missing for 5 years. The PJ knows she is dead. They dismiss any claims of sightings, any claims of that she could still be alive. If I am not mistaken, its in the latest report too. They know she died. So now they have a chance or a possibility of finding her body and they dismiss it? Unless they know something we don't?

sweetex wrote:I hear you. And what you say makes probably sense. My thinking is:

1) If it was my child missing - I'd do anything, and I mean anything to have this followed up. If there is the slightest possibility that my child's body/remains was found I'd do anything to get to Portugal and ask the PJ to assist. I'd probably try and contact SB, to ask him a few questions.

2) If it was me living in that house, I'll practically beg the PJ to come do the excavations. Who wants to sleep inside a house with the possibility of having a body in your garden. Not me that I can assure you.

3) As someone said above, MM has been missing for 5 years. The PJ knows she is dead. They dismiss any claims of sightings, any claims of that she could still be alive. If I am not mistaken, its in the latest report too. They know she died. So now they have a chance or a possibility of finding her body and they dismiss it? Unless they know something we don't?

sweetex wrote:I hear you. And what you say makes probably sense. My thinking is:

1) If it was my child missing - I'd do anything, and I mean anything to have this followed up. If there is the slightest possibility that my child's body/remains was found I'd do anything to get to Portugal and ask the PJ to assist. I'd probably try and contact SB, to ask him a few questions.

2) If it was me living in that house, I'll practically beg the PJ to come do the excavations. Who wants to sleep inside a house with the possibily of having a body in your garden. Not me that I can assure you.

3) As someone said above, MM has been missing for 5 years. The PJ knows she is dead. They dismiss any claims of sightings, any claims of that she could still be alive. If I am not mistaken, its in the latest report too. They know she died. So now they have a chance or a possibility of finding her body and they dismiss it? Unless they know something we don't?

Blimunda wrote:"Unless they know something we don't?"
Do you have any doubts that the PJ know more than us?!!
Are we now supposed to believe everything that a South-African says about such a matter?

Rob Royston wrote: Is this McCann case now a circus to keep our minds occupied while the real crimes go on above our level of understanding or care?

russiandoll wrote: Having slept on this , I can't give much if any credence to Birch because of the simple matter of the dog working with Mr Grime. The work of Grime with Eddie and Morse in the recent case of alleged child abduction in the USA only strengthens my belief in the wonderful work they do. I find it difficult to accept that a body was buried after this search on Murat's property, but unless the police know the impossibility of this having happened, rather than its implausibility, I still can't understand why when police are still none the wiser about who moved Maddie from one location to another and where she is, alive or not, they do not draw a line under this by searching and confirming or not Birch's claims. There must be procedures they are obliged or not to follow when claims like this are made.
Why this sensational story has not appeared even briefly in some of our newspapers puzzles me, even if they rubbish it. The biggest Maddie news story in how long and it is being ignored completely by most media in the UK. It can't be for fear of libel suits from Murat because if they report it and say he was cleared they can rubbish Birch's claims while simultaneously letting the wide public know about them.
What kind of information will the Portuguese police follow up? I wish the Attorney General would give an example of the type of information they would consider not to be mere speculation. No wonder the case is stagnant.
This episode is a puzzle, the real interest for me is in what is in the background. Who is going to benefit from these sensational claims made by Birch?

p.s.no stone left unturned, unless the stone is in certain locations?

uppatoffee wrote:Only Scotland Yard seem to be indicating any interest. Why?

uppatoffee wrote:True. I am off the opinion though that Redwood was a great lengths to give nothing away about the nature of the investigation. We know practically nothing about what's going on, we don't even know if they have reinterviewed the Tapas 9, they are hardly likely to admit that themselves. Until the review is complete I am remaining hopeful that justice will be done for Madeleine.

sweetex wrote:

uppatoffee wrote:True. I am off the opinion though that Redwood was a great lengths to give nothing away about the nature of the investigation. We know practically nothing about what's going on, we don't even know if they have reinterviewed the Tapas 9, they are hardly likely to admit that themselves. Until the review is complete I am remaining hopeful that justice will be done for Madeleine.

I was just thinking now, there was a report from Martin Brunt on this? I'll have to go look for it, but I'm almost sure now it was in some SKYnews update. Does it make it true? I don't know. First report from Martin Brunt on this case in a while, so maybe it does mean they are interested. I agree with the fact that Redwood will not give anything away about the nature of the investigation, so this may very well be true. I just thought chances are bigger for the PJ to be interested than SY. Never a dull moment hey?

Meagain wrote:uppatoffe wrote,

"If he has been put upto this, I can't understand who by, as there do not seem to be any obvious winners. It has just brought the case back into the spotlight once again. It is unlikely to bring increased revenue for the fund, it does bring the focus back to Murat but Birch has been clear he is not involved."



Who would benefit right now from this man's story?

My guess is somebody who needs a distraction and who has maintained or strongly suspected that either:

1. the parents had killed her and disposed of her body

or

2. she had an accident and the parents panicked and disposed of the body.



As you say this guy is stating strongly that Mr Murat is not involved which makes me feel that he is pointing the finger at the McCanns and that only benefits those who disbelieve them and think that they had some involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

In my opinion, based only on what we have been fed to date, his statement does not ring true for a few reasons, the obvious being those two massive guard dogs. It would be so easy for the authorities to dig up Mr Murat's garden and prove this man wrong, so why make such an allegation? Maybe he has been paid by somebody who would benefit right now from a little distraction and I would not imagine that the McCanns need to do that currently.

Mr Murat and his family must wonder if this dreadful intrusion and interruption to their lives is ever going to end.

Lady-Heather wrote:

Clouseau wrote:I believe 103% in the dogs.

A corpse was in the back of that hire car so are we expected to believe that the child was relocated there 20 odd days later with the whole worlds media looking on

i dont think so

I disagree with this based on Martin Grimes statement regarding transferral of odour: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

If Kate's clothes/cuddle cat/other items were found to have been in contact with a cadavar, which then subsequently contacted another surface (the car boot) it is plausible that the dogs were alerting to odour which had transferred from one of these items to another.