Re: FIONA PAYNE, TELLING IT LIKE IT WAS by Dr Martin Roberts

by crewman 01.01.12 19:58

I have to say that I'm skeptical about Madeleine dying in a purely accidental fashion. That would in no way warrant the scale and magnitude of the cover-up that has since taken place.

Personally, I think the conspiracy was born from a secret far more sinister and far more wide reaching than just the T7 and a couple of hard-up provincial doctors.....

by Guest 02.01.12 12:50

crewman wrote:I have to say that I'm skeptical about Madeleine dying in a purely accidental fashion. That would in no way warrant the scale and magnitude of the cover-up that has since taken place.

Personally, I think the conspiracy was born from a secret far more sinister and far more wide reaching than just the T7 and a couple of hard-up provincial doctors.....

That is a very logical conclusion crewman.

by aiyoyo 02.01.12 15:30

crewman wrote:I have to say that I'm skeptical about Madeleine dying in a purely accidental fashion. That would in no way warrant the scale and magnitude of the cover-up that has since taken place.

Personally, I think the conspiracy was born from a secret far more sinister and far more wide reaching than just the T7 and a couple of hard-up provincial doctors.....

why not crewman. If the death is accidental but caused by her parents they would still have to hide her or face the consequences as forensics will reveal it was not self inflicted.

The scale and magnitude is only mccanns' doing by a sheer good luck of having chain connections of friends of statute.

I don't believe in any conspiracy.
Conspiracy involving one government maybe still credibit, but involving three governments?
It would have to be something so hideous worst than war secrets or national treasons to justify that.

Nothing is a secret forever - the truth will out.

Can people imagine the scandal that will rock UK if it is ever discovered that not one, not two, but three sets of UK government conspired to protect a pair of doctors whose child was dead in the hol apt yet they allowed this scheming and lying pairs to flee the public (comprising also pensioners and school children) of their money!

No, I dont believe in it. If there was a hideous secret that government wanted to hide they would have told the mccanns to stfu.
Anyway if that was the case there was no need for mccanns to spin knowing they will be protected at all costs regardless for obvious reasons.

The mccanns continual spinning and continual begging of funds is not a sign dark forces are protecting them.
They live in constant fear of being exposed ..........

by crewman 02.01.12 16:42

aiyoyo wrote:
crewman wrote:I have to say that I'm skeptical about Madeleine dying in a purely accidental fashion. That would in no way warrant the scale and magnitude of the cover-up that has since taken place.

Personally, I think the conspiracy was born from a secret far more sinister and far more wide reaching than just the T7 and a couple of hard-up provincial doctors.....

why not crewman. If the death is accidental but caused by her parents they would still have to hide her or face the consequences as forensics will reveal it was not self inflicted.

The scale and magnitude is only mccanns' doing by a sheer good luck of having chain connections of friends of statute.

I don't believe in any conspiracy.
Conspiracy involving one government maybe still credibit, but involving three governments?
It would have to be something so hideous worst than war secrets or national treasons to justify that.

Nothing is a secret forever - the truth will out.

Can people imagine the scandal that will rock UK if it is ever discovered that not one, not two, but three sets of UK government conspired to protect a pair of doctors whose child was dead in the hol apt yet they allowed this scheming and lying pairs to flee the public (comprising also pensioners and school children) of their money!

No, I dont believe in it. If there was a hideous secret that government wanted to hide they would have told the mccanns to stfu.
Anyway if that was the case there was no need for mccanns to spin knowing they will be protected at all costs regardless for obvious reasons.

The mccanns continual spinning and continual begging of funds is not a sign dark forces are protecting them.
They live in constant fear of being exposed ..........

If the death, as you put it, was "caused by her parents", then it wouldn't be accidental, would it?

As to it being a government cover-up, well, the McCann's were important enough to have one of the government's most experienced and adept spin doctors sent out to assist them almost immediately after the incident broke. This signifies something. What it signifies exactly, I don't yet know, but it can't be ignored.....

by Liz Eagles 02.01.12 16:52

read the P's rogatory interviews. They are so squeaky clean...took a digital baby monitor...checked it worked...it was a Philips monitor...never left the table at the Tapas Bar...mummy (Dianne Webster) fed everyone that popped along at lunchtimes (although no-one can remember exactly who popped in for lunch) and the children went to sleep from 1.30pm to around 3.30 - 4.30pm. Then go see the P's differing versions of going to see KM on the 'fatal' day....I urge you to read the Payne's rogatory statements....even if you've read them before.

by jd 02.01.12 17:02

crewman wrote:
As to it being a government cover-up, well, the McCann's were important enough to have one of the government's most experienced and adept spin doctors sent out to assist them almost immediately after the incident broke. This signifies something. What it signifies exactly, I don't yet know, but it can't be ignored.....

maybe it wasn't anything to do with the mccanns and T7 one of the government's most experienced and adept spin doctors was sent out, maybe it was someone else who arranged this

by crewman 03.01.12 2:09

jd wrote:
crewman wrote:
As to it being a government cover-up, well, the McCann's were important enough to have one of the government's most experienced and adept spin doctors sent out to assist them almost immediately after the incident broke. This signifies something. What it signifies exactly, I don't yet know, but it can't be ignored.....

maybe it wasn't anything to do with the mccanns and T7 one of the government's most experienced and adept spin doctors was sent out, maybe it was someone else who arranged this

In a word or two, yes, absolutely. But why? I suspect the clues are there, but we'll have to wait and see.

by aiyoyo 03.01.12 3:25

crewman wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
crewman wrote:I have to say that I'm skeptical about Madeleine dying in a purely accidental fashion. That would in no way warrant the scale and magnitude of the cover-up that has since taken place.

Personally, I think the conspiracy was born from a secret far more sinister and far more wide reaching than just the T7 and a couple of hard-up provincial doctors.....

why not crewman. If the death is accidental but caused by her parents they would still have to hide her or face the consequences as forensics will reveal it was not self inflicted.

The scale and magnitude is only mccanns' doing by a sheer good luck of having chain connections of friends of statute.

I don't believe in any conspiracy.
Conspiracy involving one government maybe still credibit, but involving three governments?
It would have to be something so hideous worst than war secrets or national treasons to justify that.

Nothing is a secret forever - the truth will out.

Can people imagine the scandal that will rock UK if it is ever discovered that not one, not two, but three sets of UK government conspired to protect a pair of doctors whose child was dead in the hol apt yet they allowed this scheming and lying pairs to flee the public (comprising also pensioners and school children) of their money!

No, I dont believe in it. If there was a hideous secret that government wanted to hide they would have told the mccanns to stfu.
Anyway if that was the case there was no need for mccanns to spin knowing they will be protected at all costs regardless for obvious reasons.

The mccanns continual spinning and continual begging of funds is not a sign dark forces are protecting them.
They live in constant fear of being exposed ..........

If the death, as you put it, was "caused by her parents", then it wouldn't be accidental, would it?

As to it being a government cover-up, well, the McCann's were important enough to have one of the government's most experienced and adept spin doctors sent out to assist them almost immediately after the incident broke. This signifies something. What it signifies exactly, I don't yet know, but it can't be ignored.....

There is homicide involved but not premeditated is what I wanted to say.

The spin doctors posting is indeed significant but I still stand by my view it I don't think there was a conspiracy.
There was a bunch of drs in the group and I believe that plays a part in the government decisions to send high level helps.
Help was sent because this bunch of people have friends who have friends who have friends and strings were pulled every way.
I believe it was done out of good will which got out of hands ending in the mccanns riding a tiger they cant get off.
My view only and of course I could be wrong.

by jd 02.10.12 1:26

fiona payne RI April 2008

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'Yes okay and again you've answered this question a dozen times but again what's normal, but do you think that they were showing normal behaviour for, for parents who had lost a child''

Reply
'Absolutely, absolutely, it's the desperation that I cannot describe to you, erm but was so upsetting and they were just desperate, absolutely desperate, erm you know,........... I say Gerry again was, he just grieved in a very different fashion, I mean for him he could see it all, all there and it obviously upset me, saw them crying, saw them get emotionally upset as well but on the most part after that first period of shock and, and just sobbing and not knowing what to do, he did think right this isn't going to get Madeleine back, this isn't gonna help, you know these are things I've got to do to, to get her back'.

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by sami 02.10.12 8:47

"I mean for him he could see it all, all there......"

What could Gerry "see" that was all there that made him grieve so ?

by Hummingbird 02.10.12 11:52

Grieve.

Why use that word?

Has that reply in her statement been cut in some way. It seems very distorted.

' He just grieved in a very different fashion. I mean for him he could see it all, all there and it obviously upset me, saw them crying, saw them get emotionally upset but on the most part after that first period of shock and just sobbing and not knowing what to do, he did think right this isn't going to get MM back, this isn't going to help, you know these are things I've got to do'

Is she a mind reader now?
How did she know what GM could 'see'? (in his mind)
Why did his grieving upset her so?
After that first period of shock - how long is she talking here?

How the hell does this answer the question re normal behaviour?

'They were desperate, they didn't know what to do, they wanted her back so much. They were in a living hell. Scared to let their other children out of their site etc etc etc.............................'

No, grieving = death
See it all - the accident, the death, exactly what happened and how it happened
Can she 'see' what he can see and that is why she is upset by his grieving

Saying that crying isn't going to bring someone back who has been abducted is a strange thing to say, I would think it is a natural thing to be desperate and have highly charged emotions

Saying that crying isn't going to bring back someone who has already 'gone' is something that you would say. In my opinion.

by jd 11.10.12 2:24

Another statement to read carefully

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