Re: Forensic linguistics -

by anil39200 25.06.12 17:22

'An interesting concept'....your child is missing....who speaks this way in such an instance? Going back to the conversation with Mrs Dennis, who can no longer answer for herself, the use of 'plummy' imo, is a deliberate.ploy to denigrate the lady. The word 'pushy' used about the other lady early in the piece is a similar ploy. These strategies try to draw empathy from the reader.

by **tigger** 25.06.12 17:46

anil39200 wrote:'An interesting concept'....your child is missing....who speaks this way in such an instance? Going back to the conversation with Mrs Dennis, who can no longer answer for herself, the use of 'plummy' imo, is a deliberate.ploy to denigrate the lady. The word 'pushy' used about the other lady early in the piece is a similar ploy. These strategies try to draw empathy from the reader.

You mean Mrs. Fenn, Anil?

As for this bit:
Mr McCann replied: "It's an interesting concept isn't it? And of course Austria has had the other case of Natascha Kampusch who was missing for eight years." Unquote

He seems - if anything - rather enthusiastic about the idea. Of course his brain is referring only to any possibility, however mad, of Madeleine still being alive. That's all that counts, as this 'belief' supports the whole structure: the Fund, their plans for Amber Alert, their own innocence and their celebrity lifestyle.

If it were my child, I'd rather believe she was dead than being kept in a cellar by a paedophile.
There simply would be no sleep ever again.

by ShuBob 25.06.12 18:51

As well as the Kampusch case. Mr McCann also referenced the other dreadful case of Sabine Dardenne to support his Maddie-is-alive-at-all-cost theory. IMO, given the appalling nature of that case, I concluded that Mr McCann is sick in the head for even going there.

by Guest 25.06.12 20:16

ShuBob wrote:As well as the Kampusch case. Mr McCann also referenced the other dreadful case of Sabine Dardenne to support his Maddie-is-alive-at-all-cost theory. IMO, given the appalling nature of that case, I concluded that Mr McCann is sick in the head for even going there.

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It IS an interesting concept, when you know what really happened ...

by ShuBob 25.06.12 20:28

Châtelaine wrote:
ShuBob wrote:As well as the Kampusch case. Mr McCann also referenced the other dreadful case of Sabine Dardenne to support his Maddie-is-alive-at-all-cost theory. IMO, given the appalling nature of that case, I concluded that Mr McCann is sick in the head for even going there.

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It IS an interesting concept, when you know what really happened ...

Truly sickening!

by anil39200 25.06.12 21:04

tigger wrote:
anil39200 wrote:'An interesting concept'....your child is missing....who speaks this way in such an instance? Going back to the conversation with Mrs Dennis, who can no longer answer for herself, the use of 'plummy' imo, is a deliberate.ploy to denigrate the lady. The word 'pushy' used about the other lady early in the piece is a similar ploy. These strategies try to draw empathy from the reader.

You mean Mrs. Fenn, Anil?
Yes tigger, you are right, my typo, sorry.

As for this bit:
Mr McCann replied: "It's an interesting concept isn't it? And of course Austria has had the other case of Natascha Kampusch who was missing for eight years." Unquote

He seems - if anything - rather enthusiastic about the idea. Of course his brain is referring only to any possibility, however mad, of Madeleine still being alive. That's all that counts, as this 'belief' supports the whole structure: the Fund, their plans for Amber Alert, their own innocence and their celebrity lifestyle.

If it were my child, I'd rather believe she was dead than being kept in a cellar by a paedophile.
There simply would be no sleep ever again.

by anil39200 25.06.12 21:06

Absolutely correct. Sickening concept, sickening people.

by tuom 20.07.12 22:27

I am posting this here and deleting it from the other thread regarding the video ,

Tigger , this statement from KMC

Furious at the astounding claims, Kate, 39, said of the police: "They are basically saying, 'If you confess Madeleine had an accident, and that I panicked and hid the body in a bag for a month then got rid of it in a hire car, I'd get two or three years' suspended sentence.

Did the police have a bag (or even the blue bag) at this time, if not why would police mention this , if they did not say this to KMC why would she mention a bag ??

by tuom 21.07.12 1:29

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In this inteview with Dermot Murnaghan, I have always felt that Kate feels she is being unfairly lined up and singled out for criticiscm(1.02)

Has anyone else noticed in this video when GMC is talking about the night that MMC woke up , he says "one of the other twins" can someone listen to it again to confirm this please , is this just a slip of the tongue ? seems strange to me

by One 21.07.12 6:08

tuom wrote:
worriedmum wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

In this inteview with Dermot Murnaghan, I have always felt that Kate feels she is being unfairly lined up and singled out for criticiscm(1.02)

Has anyone else noticed in this video when GMC is talking about the night that MMC woke up , he says "one of the other twins" can someone listen to it again to confirm this please , is this just a slip of the tongue ? seems strange to me

It sounds to me he caught himself in the nick of time only making a small slipup. If he said "one of the other children" it'd have given the game away.

by **tigger** 21.07.12 6:09

tuom wrote:
worriedmum wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

In this inteview with Dermot Murnaghan, I have always felt that Kate feels she is being unfairly lined up and singled out for criticiscm(1.02)

Has anyone else noticed in this video when GMC is talking about the night that MMC woke up , he says "one of the other twins" can someone listen to it again to confirm this please , is this just a slip of the tongue ? seems strange to me

' ..there was one night when Madeleine had come through.....' says Gerry. A curious way to describe a child waking up but a rational description of someone waking up despite heavy medication.

Re. the 'other twins' - I think Gerry is starting to say something like 'the other children' but changes midway to 'the twins'.

As for the rest of the performance - it's the same in other interviews. A rehearsed little conversation between G and K which is trotted out with additions such as 'she was very articulate ...... and then she moved on, you know......' As well as the imo idiotic phrase 'Why didn't you come last night when I cried?'
Not in a million years would a child that age phrase a question like that.
But the McCanns possibly never had conversations with their children, otherwise they'd know that.

by Guest 21.07.12 9:36

tigger wrote:

' ..there was one night when Madeleine had come through.....' says Gerry. A curious way to describe a child waking up but a rational description of someone waking up despite heavy medication.

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Indeed. My dictionary gives many meaning of the verb "come through" [including survive & recover], but none of them meaning "waking up" ...

by joyce1938 21.07.12 9:51

I would have thought that ,COMING through, could mean to come through to lounge from bedroom ,or similer?joyce1938

by dentdelion 21.07.12 9:52

I took the phrase 'come through' to mean that she had come through to the other bedroom. Was there a night when Madeleine slept in the parents room and one parent slept in children's room apart from the night of the quiz lady incident.? With two single beds pushed together, I do not imagine a threesome sleeping comfortably.

by **tigger** 21.07.12 10:55

dentdelion wrote:I took the phrase 'come through' to mean that she had come through to the other bedroom. Was there a night when Madeleine slept in the parents room and one parent slept in children's room apart from the night of the quiz lady incident.? With two single beds pushed together, I do not imagine a threesome sleeping comfortably.

They weren't there, they could hardly know what she was doing in that time. In any case 'had come through' that one night doesn't make sense in terms of movement.

by Guest 21.07.12 11:01

dentdelion wrote:I took the phrase 'come through' to mean that she had come through to the other bedroom. Was there a night when Madeleine slept in the parents room and one parent slept in children's room apart from the night of the quiz lady incident.? With two single beds pushed together, I do not imagine a threesome sleeping comfortably.

I always thought the beds were pushed together by the wailing McCs, kowtowing like Arabs by some report, and keeping the obliging PJ out of the room by their antics, when they had to get rid of GMs soiled and wet buttoned pants (witnessed by the Smith family)

by Guest 21.07.12 11:04

Portia wrote:
dentdelion wrote:I took the phrase 'come through' to mean that she had come through to the other bedroom. Was there a night when Madeleine slept in the parents room and one parent slept in children's room apart from the night of the quiz lady incident.? With two single beds pushed together, I do not imagine a threesome sleeping comfortably.

I always thought the beds were pushed together by the wailing McCs, kowtowing like Arabs by some report, and keeping the obliging PJ out of the room by their antics, when they had to get rid of GMs soiled and wet buttoned pants (witnessed by the Smith family)

Portia, where has the soiled and wet buttoned pants come from please, never seen that.

by Guest 21.07.12 12:44

candyfloss wrote:
Portia wrote:
dentdelion wrote:I took the phrase 'come through' to mean that she had come through to the other bedroom. Was there a night when Madeleine slept in the parents room and one parent slept in children's room apart from the night of the quiz lady incident.? With two single beds pushed together, I do not imagine a threesome sleeping comfortably.

I always thought the beds were pushed together by the wailing McCs, kowtowing like Arabs by some report, and keeping the obliging PJ out of the room by their antics, when they had to get rid of GMs soiled and wet buttoned pants (witnessed by the Smith family)

Portia, where has the soiled and wet buttoned pants come from please, never seen that.

GM had already performed the kowtow act once before, in the Tapa's lounge (I think it was there, earlier) with the police just arriving.
GA in his book discussed the oddity of this whole exercise, one of his co-brainstormers venting it might have served the purpose of hiding some previous having been soiled of GM.s clothes.

KMs Birckenstocks were still visible at the foot of the bed, on the pictures. Apparently it did not matter what state they were in and where she had worn them. But it mattered to someone that GMs pants should disappear. Why would that be:

1. GM changes pants and hides them, in the middle of the night with a child gone missing;
2. The trousers clearly play an important role, else why take the trouble of hiding them when your world is coming apart?
3. Clearly they could tell something that should remain undiscovered;
4. They either show traces of something, or are damaged/torn;
5. Or they have been seen by someone who was not supposed to see them and who might recognise them later.

Putting two and two together: why hide a perfectly harmless pair of trousers? If not (4) it's (5).
And that woud mean the Smiths sighting probably does concern GM indeed.

by **Nina** 21.07.12 12:54

Portia wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
Portia wrote:
dentdelion wrote:I took the phrase 'come through' to mean that she had come through to the other bedroom. Was there a night when Madeleine slept in the parents room and one parent slept in children's room apart from the night of the quiz lady incident.? With two single beds pushed together, I do not imagine a threesome sleeping comfortably.

I always thought the beds were pushed together by the wailing McCs, kowtowing like Arabs by some report, and keeping the obliging PJ out of the room by their antics, when they had to get rid of GMs soiled and wet buttoned pants (witnessed by the Smith family)

Portia, where has the soiled and wet buttoned pants come from please, never seen that.

GM had already performed the kowtow act once before, in the Tapa's lounge (I think it was there, earlier) with the police just arriving.
GA in his book discussed the oddity of this whole exercise, one of his co-brainstormers venting it might have served the purpose of hiding some previous having been soiled of GM.s clothes.

KMs Birckenstocks were still visible at the foot of the bed, on the pictures. Apparently it did not matter what state they were in and where she had worn them. But it mattered to someone that GMs pants should disappear. Why would that be:

1. GM changes pants and hides them, in the middle of the night with a child gone missing;
2. The trousers clearly play an important role, else why take the trouble of hiding them when your world is coming apart?
3. Clearly they could tell something that should remain undiscovered;
4. They either show traces of something, or are damaged/torn;
5. Or they have been seen by someone who was not supposed to see them and who might recognise them later.

Putting two and two together: why hide a perfectly harmless pair of trousers? If not (4) it's (5).
And that woud mean the Smiths sighting probably does concern GM indeed.

He did wear the buttoned trousers later though when he was doing the flipchart presentation. Sorry still don't know how to bring a photo up duh

If not the self same trousers then a second identical pair.

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by **Nina** 21.07.12 13:14

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You are brill airkiss

by **tigger** 21.07.12 13:52

Perhaps we should start a trouser topic? It would perhaps be interesting to see if the Smiths had yet reported their sighting by the time the above photographs were taken. G might have felt safe to wear them if the sighting hadn't been reported by that time.

by Guest 21.07.12 14:02

tigger wrote: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Perhaps we should start a trouser topic? It would perhaps be interesting to see if the Smiths had yet reported their sighting by the time the above photographs were taken. G might have felt safe to wear them if the sighting hadn't been reported by that time.

Quite a few topics on the Smith sighting tigger if you search the forum, this one has links on trousers etc...............

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by Spaniel 21.07.12 14:37

tigger wrote: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Perhaps we should start a trouser topic? It would perhaps be interesting to see if the Smiths had yet reported their sighting by the time the above photographs were taken. G might have felt safe to wear them if the sighting hadn't been reported by that time.

They are so brazen, I don't think it would make a jot of difference. KM wore the scent of death trousers home on EasyJet.

It could either be the arrogance of being untouchable or the defiance of being innocent.

by Spaniel 21.07.12 14:53

Quote by Portia.

"KMs Birckenstocks were still visible at the foot of the bed, on the pictures. Apparently it did not matter what state they were in and where she had worn them. But it mattered to someone that GMs pants should disappear. Why would that be:"

Frankly Portia if I had a pair of button leg trousers on the bed and a pair of Birkenstop shoes on the floor when the police arrived, I wouldn't know which one to throw myself over in my Arab pose, as they are both so ugly.

Damn it, I'll take the Birkenstocks and chance that my buttons weren't noticed by the Smiths. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by bobbin 21.07.12 15:18

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I'm continually baffled by HOW a FLIP CHART is available at a Family holiday centre in the Algarve in Portugal. Mr. Gerry looks very at ease with a flip chart, and this was pictured very early on after the disappearance, was it not.

Do all family holiday centres have a flip chart available for negligent parents to draw up a diagram to help the police go looking for their lost daughter, whilst they draw the links between the bits of information that the parents and friends have agreed purport the true version of events.

by dentdelion 21.07.12 15:28

Perhaps flipchart supplied by OC ... perhaps they host conference/meetings, rent out business facilities etc.

by **Nina** 21.07.12 15:36

[quote="bobbin"]

Nina wrote:
candyfloss wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I'm continually baffled by HOW a FLIP CHART is available at a Family holiday centre in the Algarve in Portugal. Mr. Gerry looks very at ease with a flip chart, and this was pictured very early on after the disappearance, was it not.

Do all family holiday centres have a flip chart available for negligent parents to draw up a diagram to help the police go looking for their lost daughter, whilst they draw the links between the bits of information that the parents and friends have agreed purport the true version of events.

Hi bobbin. And who the hec was he presenting to? Normal folk if wanting to get some things down on paper do just that, a bit of A4 at best and some notes and diagrams, but GM has to go into presentation mode, made a good picture though of his beige trousers.

by Liz Eagles 21.07.12 15:52

I may be a bit off topic here but it's so easy to have a thought and then not know where to find the topic so please Mods feel free to stick this in another thread.

Just looking at the content on the paper GM is writing on strikes me as a little odd. I've spent too much of my life watching people present on a large sheet of paper with a magic marker (grrrr) and mostly they either draw boxes or circles. I can't recall anyone draw a diamond shape (or something close to a masonic symbol).

It would be interesting to know if there is evidence of GM's previous (prior to Madeleine's disappearance) style of presentation on paper.

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