Connections

kikoraton wrote:We started discussing this theme on the Forensic Language thread, which was not the place for it at all. So I've started this new thread, which I hope is OK with the mods.

The first connection (with Gerry McCann) I shall offer is ROBERT NAYLOR. It was his daughter Elizabeth whom Gerry signed into creche five times, without bothering to disguise his handwriting (whilst making a poor attempt at copying Robert's actual signature).

Kiko, we are in a very small minority who believes this. Most think it's all nonsense, whilst a small amount of people think that the only feasible explanation for the duplicate style of handwriting, is that the whole page has been forged, for every day and replaced with the originals. For me, that is even harder to believe. So I have an idea. Just in case SY fail to do what SY should be doing. We need to somehow get in touch with everyone whose signaure also appears on that list (try Patel first) and email them the page and ask them, is this your signature? If they say yes, you have absolute proof that Gerry did, what we know he did.

Here's Robert's short CV from the Matrix Corporate Capital webpage.
Robert joined Matrix in November 2008 from Landsbanki Securities. He joined Teather & Greenwood in October 2000 after qualifying with Ernst & Young in the investment management department of the financial services division. Robert has been involved in numerous plc transactions including hostile and recommended takeover bids and primary and secondary equity fundraisings, both in investment funds and smaller companies.
Teather and Greenwood became Landsbanki, which crashed leaving many ordinary people bereft of their savings. Not a good recommendation, but if you look at the Matrix page quoted above, you'll see about a dozen fat-cats there who boast it as a major part of their CV. You might also care to look at the "Criticisms" section on the Wikipedia Ernst and Young page. My God!!!!
None of that actually makes Naylor a bad guy, but:

I have very serious concerns about Ernst & Young's ethics. I had to deal with them for my last companies audit and believe me, they do as they are instructed to do, not what they are legally supposed to do. There is every possibility that Alistair Hynd of Baker Tilly, did a turn with E&Y, or even his initial training there. After we found out about Baker Tilly, they pulled the page for info on Hynd, but if it is possible to find out who he previously worked for, that would be a good start.

Why did he let Gerry McCann sign his daughter Elizabeth into Lobster Group?

As far as he's concerned, he wasn't anywhere near the place, so nothing comes back on him.

Why is there no sign whatever, given the falsified signature and the McCann handwriting, that Naylor ever took Elizabeth to creche?

He wanted nothing to do with it obviously. Do you blame him?

Why did he not deny it, when I challenged him about it?

It's a bit like the bunny in the lights situation. You caught him off guard and he froze. Some would say he might have thought you were a journalist and he was waiting for that day and was advised to say nothing. A denial can be seen in two ways. One, they are lying or two it never happened. To say nothing in my eyes, proves it was true and concealment was a better form of defence.

Why did he not accept my invitation to drop Gerry in the proverbial?

Because he knows who is involved.

Is he the same Robert Naylor who used to carry out business just down the country lane from Rothley Golf Club?

... and knew Gerry. If it is, then Gerry has seriously lied to the PJ.

Did Gerry or Kate spend any time in Edinburgh between 2000 and 2008?

I would find it very hard to believe that they did not.

Next, organisational connections deriving from the above:

Has Gerry any connection with Landsbanki?

Maybe not directly, but what if the one thing that gels them all together was a Government Minister, who speaks Portuguese and knows Portugal very well, who has a place there. Someone we know is a VERY close, perhaps even intimate friend of Blair and Brown. Where does Peter Mandelson originally come from. I was amazed the other week to discover that Blair was born in Scotland !!

Are there any known connections in this case with Ernst and Young?

Not to my knowledge, but I would start with trying to find out who does the accounts or audit for the companies we do know about. This should be available through Companies House.

kikoraton wrote:Hi Stella. I knew your accumulated knowledge would be helpful in this area.
I know E and Y are accountants and auditors, but quite how involved they get in the affairs of their clients, I don't know. As an example, their webpage tells me that they have interests in mining in Africa, which usually means diamonds. This puts me in mind of our old friend Philip Edmonds, who isn't really Philip Edmonds at all but was born with a Jewish/eastEuropean name, and who I seem to recall (correct me if I'm confused) is married into the Oppenheimer family and has interests in diamonds.

As I recall, there are 2 Philip Edmonds. The one connected to Diamonds and SA, is the other one, not our guy in OC. Stemcor does mine certain materials in SA, but it is to do with metals as I believe. But what's stopping them from doing other things if they are drilling I guess? Philip's Mother is something to do with a top notch school in the Bromley area of Kent and is known as Hannah Edmonds. Maybe it was Herbert Edmonds who changed his surname, not sure. Thinking about it, it might have been Grandad, Hans Alfred Oppenheimer. There's an article about it somewhere.

That doesn't mean he has connections with Ernst and Young. No, but Hynd and Baker Tilly have connections to Bromley.

At the moment, E and Y's connection has to be very tenuous. After all, it is 13 years now since Robert Naylor completed his training with them. But long ago, on another forum, it was suggested that one of E and Y's chief officers was the so-called 10th Tapas. What does that actually mean? There were the usual non-confirmed rumours abounding that the 10th Tapas was a bit more important than the mediocre collection of medics who made up the Tapas 9, and that he made off in a private plane (as if!). Because we know of the handwriting and therefore of Gerry's friend/acquaintanceship with Naylor, it could be said that Naylor himself was the 10th tapas, if such a person exists. But I don't think so - he kept well out of the way. His only contribution was to let Gerry sign his daughter in, whilst he stayed out of sight, which in turn allowed the substitute Madalene's dad to accompany her, Elizabeth Naylor and Gerry to the attendance book.

We are looking for 10 or 12, according to Moita Flores. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]