Re: PM reopens Maddie files

by tiny 13.05.11 7:02

i just hope the police do not keep the mccanns informed of whats going on after all they were arguido's and the case is ONLY shelved.but to be honest after 4yrs can.t see any thing coming out of this apart from the same old mantra that it was an abduction and the mccanns are innocent.
a re-construction is all that is needed and for kate to answer the questions, which the mccanns refused on both accounts.

by RBxHN 13.05.11 7:08

tosca wrote:A message to Kate and Gerry McCann..........

'Be careful what you wish for as you may just get it'

I am assuming that Kate M will now have to answer those 48 questions that she refused to answer, also I am assuming the Met will take more seriously the reaction of Eddie and Keela, someone please tell me I am right!!!!

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tiny wrote:i just hope the police do not keep the mccanns informed of whats going on after all they were arguido's and the case is ONLY shelved.but to be honest after 4yrs can.t see any thing coming out of this apart from the same old mantra that it was an abduction and the mccanns are innocent.
a re-construction is all that is needed and for kate to answer the questions, which the mccanns refused on both accounts.

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by hentie 13.05.11 7:42

tosca wrote:A message to Kate and Gerry McCann..........

'Be careful what you wish for as you may just get it'

I am assuming that Kate M will now have to answer those 48 questions that she refused to answer, also I am assuming the Met will take more seriously the reaction of Eddie and Keela, someone please tell me I am right!!!!

Hi Tosca....... [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] ohhhhhhh I hope you're soooooo right [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] They didn't look very happy at the Press Conference. Much shaking of head/hair by Kate as they went to stand in front of huge photo of Madeleine.

Any body language experts about?

by tiny 13.05.11 7:46

Met's Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson was tonight pulling together a "sizeable" elite team of detectives for the job.
all i can say is that if they do thier job properly the mccans and the tapas pals,plus mitchell will all be in the dock soon awaiting sentence [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] justice for Madeleine

by hentie 13.05.11 7:52

tiny wrote:Met's Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson was tonight pulling together a "sizeable" elite team of detectives for the job.
all i can say is that if they do thier job properly the mccans and the tapas pals,plus mitchell will all be in the dock soon awaiting sentence [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] justice for Madeleine

Hi, how I hope for that [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Sick of all of them [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Must admit I won't believe it until I see it.....sounds almost too good to be true.

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by ufercoffy 13.05.11 7:56

hentie wrote:Have to go as child minding duties call [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Childminding???? Have you not learnt anything from the Doctors McCann? roll

Just leave them Hentie, it's within the bounds of responsible childminding.

Gerry said so. flag

by tosca 13.05.11 8:26

hentie wrote:
tosca wrote:A message to Kate and Gerry McCann..........

'Be careful what you wish for as you may just get it'

I am assuming that Kate M will now have to answer those 48 questions that she refused to answer, also I am assuming the Met will take more seriously the reaction of Eddie and Keela, someone please tell me I am right!!!!

Hi Tosca....... [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] ohhhhhhh I hope you're soooooo right [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] They didn't look very happy at the Press Conference. Much shaking of head/hair by Kate as they went to stand in front of huge photo of Madeleine.

Any body language experts about?

Morning Hentie, I have to say I thought Clarry looked slightly shell shocked when giving his usual diatribe to the media, it was as if he was thinking 'oh sh't, the truth will come out'.....he just wasn't his usual arrogant smug self.

I watched the Piers Morgan interview and Gerry was very shifty looking at the beginning.

by Guest 13.05.11 8:36

I agree, Mitchell looked very worried. Not his usual confident self at all, so somethings up !!

by amvee1971 13.05.11 9:27

I found it strange when CM said that Madeleine had 'vanished into thin air' and there was no evidence as to what happened to her when he was interviewed by Sky late last night. I thought the official term used by McCanns was abducted?

by Guest 13.05.11 9:33

amvee1971 wrote:I found it strange when CM said that Madeleine had 'vanished into thin air' and there was no evidence as to what happened to her when he was interviewed by Sky late last night. I thought the official term used by McCanns was abducted?

I noticed that too amvee1971, also GM when asked by Piers Morgan how the abductor got in, GM said he didn't know, that it couldn't have been the patio door cos they could see that from where they were, he then said perhaps the abductor had a key, and that many people had stayed in that apartment.

by beejay 13.05.11 9:39

I'm new here, so be gentle - can anyone explain why the McCanns would press so hard now for a review of the case if they are in fact guilty?

That's illogical isn't it? Surely if they were guilty the very last thing they would want is for the whole case to be re-opened including the introduction of a task force from the Met to look at the evidence afresh?

They risk getting charged all over again and this time with the British Police taking the lead in analysing the evidence.

I can't believe they are daft enough to have missed this point and I don't go along with the conspiracy theory that the establishment are covering up the whole thing - again, if they were keeoing a lid on the affair, why would they be pressganged into reopening the case?

I have read the Faked Abduction & Goncarlo Amaral books and have always felt that there is a shedload of evidence to implicate the McCanns in the death of Madeline - so why would they now (4 years after the event) seek to reopen the files which could then result in their own prosecution?

by Maria 13.05.11 10:09

Either they / mitchel have control over the half dozen people who will do the review, it's all PRivate investigators with the help of a select few coppers and the mc canns already know what the outcome will be. Like, they didnt push for a review until they were well established with their new crooked friends and suddenly it happens the day the book goes on sale.

Or their really is a proper review, they knew it was coming, they take credit for it happening and when they are arrested it will cause an outcry.

I think it's the first one though

by Flashford Thomas 13.05.11 10:14

I think it's the second and they will also be done for fraud.

Goncalo isn't stupid. He's said all along that the case will be reopened.

by Guest 13.05.11 10:17

What is important to remember is, the the McCann's want a review of the missing section of the released Portuguese Police files. They do not want the case reopened.

The case has not officially been reopened and if past actions are anything to go by, once they have (if they get it) the other bits of info they so desperately seek, no doubt everyone will get a visit from Brian Kennedy and the case will never get reopened.

by Guest 13.05.11 10:18

beejay

by Ringo 13.05.11 11:19

beejay wrote:I'm new here, so be gentle - can anyone explain why the McCanns would press so hard now for a review of the case if they are in fact guilty?

That's illogical isn't it? Surely if they were guilty the very last thing they would want is for the whole case to be re-opened including the introduction of a task force from the Met to look at the evidence afresh?

They risk getting charged all over again and this time with the British Police taking the lead in analysing the evidence.

I can't believe they are daft enough to have missed this point and I don't go along with the conspiracy theory that the establishment are covering up the whole thing - again, if they were keeoing a lid on the affair, why would they be pressganged into reopening the case?

I have read the Faked Abduction & Goncarlo Amaral books and have always felt that there is a shedload of evidence to implicate the McCanns in the death of Madeline - so why would they now (4 years after the event) seek to reopen the files which could then result in their own prosecution?

This is a very good question, and one which, anyone still clinging to the notion that they are guilty of causing or covering up their child's death, is completely unable to answer satisfactorily without resorting to enormously far-fetched scenarios involving an international conspiracy of government officials, police investigators, and the judiciary. Or the equally implausible notion that the McCanns were repeatedly pressing for assistance from the British government in some sort of deranged campaign to keep themselves in the public eye, all the while secretly hoping and praying that their request would be ignored.

It's completely daft and totally illogical and anyone with an ounce of sense can see this.

by tosca 13.05.11 11:28

It could also be said that they think they are untouchable, we all know the arrogance of this pair and the idiot Mitchell, they haven't asked for the case to be reopened, just reviewed.

by Ringo 13.05.11 11:48

Does no one here see how "a joint INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance" might very well actually lead to the re-opening of the case?

Isn't this what you want?

It's what the McCanns want!

by nessa456 13.05.11 11:56

I think the McCanns want to trawl the Portuguese police files to see if they can sue anyone - that's the only logical explantion I can think of.

They and their friends refused to return to Portugal in 2008 at the request of the Portuguese police for the reconstruction of events

"a family friend revealed yesterday how some of them had pulled out after growing uneasy about the decision to stage the replay more than a year on.
The friend said the McCanns, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, believe it would have done 'absolutely nothing' to help find their daughter not least because police had refused requests to televise it."

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This was obstruction of the investigation so it's ridiculous that they should seek a review of the evidence.

by Guest 13.05.11 11:58

Ringo wrote:Does no one here see how "a joint INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance" might very well actually lead to the re-opening of the case?

Isn't this what you want?

It's what the McCanns want!

I don't think that's what it is Ringo. I am more inclined to think they are going to re-open the investigation, look at the files sift all the evidence, and probably re-check the forensics and all the evidence gathered. The McCanns don't seem to think it is either, it is not exactly what they have been asking for.

The McCanns welcomed the announcement and thanked Mr Cameron and Ms May for committing “such a significant resource” to “begin this review process”.

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However, it does not yet represent the "independent, transparent and comprehensive review" which the couple had demanded from the Prime Minister.

A spokesman for the couple said: “It’s clearly a step in the right direction. The expertise of the Metropolitan police service is renowned and we are reassured by the Government’s commitment to the search for Madeleine.”

by beejay 13.05.11 12:01

Ringo wrote:Does no one here see how "a joint INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance" might very well actually lead to the re-opening of the case?

Isn't this what you want?

It's what the McCanns want!

I'm not in the pro or anti McCann camp but as stated before, I was inclined to think from the evidence I have seen that there was a prima facie case for them to answer and the fact they had failed to co-operate with the Portuguese police investigation left them open to the suspicion that they had something to hide.

But I'm intrigued to learn of the latest developments which don't tie in with this theory at all - on the contrary, I'm starting to think they may be innocent after all, other than of being bad parents.

by Guest 13.05.11 12:05

Ringo wrote:Does no one here see how "a joint INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance"

But you are forgetting Ringo that they have already done this and the British Criminal Profiler Lee Rainbow said that the parents should be considered as suspects. No sign of a break in, inconsistent stories, dog alerts, deleted calls and pictures and of course bodily corpse fluids with 15 markers matching to Madeleine in their hire car.

Why does it need to be done again?

by Ringo 13.05.11 12:05

candyfloss wrote:
Ringo wrote:Does no one here see how "a joint INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance" might very well actually lead to the re-opening of the case?

Isn't this what you want?

It's what the McCanns want!

I don't think that's what it is Ringo. I am more inclined to think they are going to re-open the investigation, look at the files sift all the evidence, and probably re-check the forensics and all the evidence gathered. The McCanns don't seem to think it is either, it is not exactly what they have been asking for.

The McCanns welcomed the announcement and thanked Mr Cameron and Ms May for committing “such a significant resource” to “begin this review process”.

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However, it does not yet represent the "independent, transparent and comprehensive review" which the couple had demanded from the Prime Minister.

A spokesman for the couple said: “It’s clearly a step in the right direction. The expertise of the Metropolitan police service is renowned and we are reassured by the Government’s commitment to the search for Madeleine.”

No, I know that, I was responding to the person who was saying that they only wanted a review not for the case to be re-opened. But I was pointing out that a review such as the one they want may very well lead to the case being re-opened. That would be the ultimate objective of a case review obviously - to join dots that had previously remained un-joined, uncover missed leads, etc and hope that these lead to the discovery of the missing child.

by Wendy 13.05.11 12:06

beejay wrote:But I'm intrigued to learn of the latest developments which don't tie in with this theory at all - on the contrary, I'm starting to think they may be innocent after all, other than of being bad parents.

I have to say I could also be swayed into thinking they are innocent, if it wasn't for Eddie and Keela who both detected evidence in the same places. Ok, one dog may have got it wrong, but what are the chances that both dogs did?

No, I think the Mccann's have been telling, and re-telling, their big fat lie for 4 years that they honestly believe it. They live and breathe it every second of every day.

What a horrible life they must have.

by Ringo 13.05.11 12:11

Stella wrote:
Ringo wrote:Does no one here see how "a joint INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance"

But you are forgetting Ringo that they have already done this and the British Criminal Profiler Lee Rainbow said that the parents should be considered as suspects. No sign of a break in, inconsistent stories, dog alerts, deleted calls and pictures and of course bodily corpse fluids with 15 markers matching to Madeleine in their hire car.

Why does it need to be done again?

When has there ever been a full review of all the information held by the various police forces involved in the investigation? When was it compiled into one database and cross-referenced by fresh, independent eyes and minds?

As for the Lee Rainbow reference, that is a complete red herring - we are going back to 2007 there I believe! He was absolutely right when he said that the parents should be considered as suspects - I doubt though that he meant to the exclusion of all other possibilities! None of the list of "evidence" you refer to points in anyway to the McCanns being involved in their child's disappearance. This is a fact that some people really need to start facing and accepting.

by Ringo 13.05.11 12:12

Wendy wrote:
beejay wrote:But I'm intrigued to learn of the latest developments which don't tie in with this theory at all - on the contrary, I'm starting to think they may be innocent after all, other than of being bad parents.

I have to say I could also be swayed into thinking they are innocent, if it wasn't for Eddie and Keela who both detected evidence in the same places. Ok, one dog may have got it wrong, but what are the chances that both dogs did?

No, I think the Mccann's have been telling, and re-telling, their big fat lie for 4 years that they honestly believe it. They live and breathe it every second of every day.

What a horrible life they must have.

I can't believe that all that prevents you from accepting what is blindingly obvious is the barking of two dogs - it really is absurd.

by nessa456 13.05.11 12:14

Will we even get to hear the results of the review though?

by Guest 13.05.11 12:26

Ringo wrote:

When has there ever been a full review of all the information held by the various police forces involved in the investigation? When was it compiled into one database and cross-referenced by fresh, independent eyes and minds?

The British Police were there right from the start working side-by-side with the Portuguese Police. They ALL left Portugal the day after the McCann's flew home. Why do you think they did that? If Madeleine was still missing, surely they would stay around and keep looking for her right?. But, if they believed the McCann's were responsible, of course they would fly home. The proof is in the pudding.

As for the Lee Rainbow reference, that is a complete red herring - we are going back to 2007 there I believe! He was absolutely right when he said that the parents should be considered as suspects - I doubt though that he meant to the exclusion of all other possibilities!

The job of a Criminal Profiler is, to check every piece of evidence they have and from previous experience to suggest who is responsible. It is not a red herring. Lee Rainbow is a highly credited Profiler and has worked on numerous big murder cases in this country.

None of the list of "evidence" you refer to points in anyway to the McCanns being involved in their child's disappearance. This is a fact that some people really need to start facing and accepting.

No Ringo, it is not a fact. It is something you have chosen to believe. What is a fact is, that 15 markers which matched to Madeleine, found in their hire car would have led to their immediate arrests, if this had happened in the USA. They will convict on as little as 13 markers and 11 in some states. They were very lucky that Portugal currently requires 19 markers.

This is why the case was shelved.

by Guest 13.05.11 12:32

Ringo wrote:
Wendy wrote:
beejay wrote:But I'm intrigued to learn of the latest developments which don't tie in with this theory at all - on the contrary, I'm starting to think they may be innocent after all, other than of being bad parents.

I have to say I could also be swayed into thinking they are innocent, if it wasn't for Eddie and Keela who both detected evidence in the same places. Ok, one dog may have got it wrong, but what are the chances that both dogs did?

No, I think the Mccann's have been telling, and re-telling, their big fat lie for 4 years that they honestly believe it. They live and breathe it every second of every day.

What a horrible life they must have.

I can't believe that all that prevents you from accepting what is blindingly obvious is the barking of two dogs - it really is absurd.

What is absurd, is that you refuse to read the evidence and challenge everyone else who has.

by biker_don 13.05.11 12:33

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