Did Webster use gloves?

by DCB1 03.01.10 18:14

Why weren't her fingerprints found on the shutters?

by vaguely 03.01.10 18:29

DCB you don't leave detectable fingerprints on every surface you touch.

by DCB1 03.01.10 18:50

vaguely wrote:DCB you don't leave detectable fingerprints on every surface you touch.

Not even an abductor?

by littlepixie 03.01.10 18:52

DCB1 wrote:Why weren't her fingerprints found on the shutters?

Good point DCB1.

by vaguely 03.01.10 18:54

DCB1 wrote:
vaguely wrote:DCB you don't leave detectable fingerprints on every surface you touch.

Not even an abductor?

I think abductors have the same ridge detail and sweat as the rest of us DCB.

by Guest 03.01.10 18:55

DCB1 wrote:
vaguely wrote:DCB you don't leave detectable fingerprints on every surface you touch.

Not even an abductor?

A person who entered a premises illegally would be wearing gloves. But if that person came in or out through a window, and the lichen on the sill wasn't disturbed, how did they manage that then? Take a flying leap through it, all whilst holding a child?

by littlepixie 03.01.10 18:59

Type Location R7R V
1 DIGT next to the living room window/door “A” DB/T Suf
8 DIGT exterior living room door/window DB/T Insuf
1 DIGT exterior living room door/window CC T Insuf
3 DIGT exterior of blind children’s bedroom DB T Insuf

Thats all I can find about a fingerprint on the shutter. Can anyone find anything else as I would have thought others would have "tried" it as well as Mrs Webster.

by vaguely 03.01.10 19:00

[quote="candyfloss"]

A person who entered a premises illegally would be wearing gloves.

That isn't necessarily so.

But if that person came in or out through a window, and the lichen on the sill wasn't disturbed, how did they manage that then? Take a flying leap through it, all whilst holding a child?

Why would that person need to either enter or exit through the window?

ETA: Is there a close up photo of the lichen....I think there are different kinds. Would be interesting to see it.

by DCB1 03.01.10 19:00

candyfloss wrote:
DCB1 wrote:
vaguely wrote:DCB you don't leave detectable fingerprints on every surface you touch.

Not even an abductor?

A person who entered a premises illegally would be wearing gloves. But if that person came in or out through a window, and the lichen on the sill wasn't disturbed, how did they manage that then? Take a flying leap through it, all whilst holding a child?

Looking at the pictures - there was no lichen. (although some police expert from 100's of miles away passed a comment about this without seeing the scene in the very early days and started a forum rumour). Of course passing a child through a window to someone else would not disturb the non existent lichen in any event.

But the point is - Webster admitted trying the shutters - why were her prints not found?

by littlepixie 03.01.10 19:01

One print was found but couldnt be identified. It could have been hers.

by vaguely 03.01.10 19:02

Oh okay. No lichen.

DCB, how old is Webster?

by DCB1 03.01.10 19:02

littlepixie wrote:Type Location R7R V
1 DIGT next to the living room window/door “A” DB/T Suf
8 DIGT exterior living room door/window DB/T Insuf
1 DIGT exterior living room door/window CC T Insuf
3 DIGT exterior of blind children’s bedroom DB T Insuf

Thats all I can find about a fingerprint on the shutter. Can anyone find anything else as I would have thought others would have "tried" it as well as Mrs Webster.

That's all I have seen too.

by DCB1 03.01.10 19:03

vaguely wrote:Oh okay. No lichen.

DCB, how old is Webster?

I don't know off hand. (pun)

by DCB1 03.01.10 19:09

I have seen pictures of the red stuff to detect fingerprints on the outside of the shutters - but not inside. If you were going to try and lift them wouldn't you wrap your fingers underneath (pointing away from you with hands upturned, palms supporting the weight and doing the lifting) - so would the fingerprints have been on the inside of the shutters at the very bottom?

by Guest 03.01.10 19:19

DCB1 wrote:I have seen pictures of the red stuff to detect fingerprints on the outside of the shutters - but not inside. If you were going to try and lift them wouldn't you wrap your fingers underneath (pointing away from you with hands upturned, palms supporting the weight and doing the lifting) - so would the fingerprints have been on the inside of the shutters at the very bottom?

Probably. I think I've seen a picture though that looked like as if there was red powder on the inside of the shutters (will try to find it), could have been spilled powder perhaps? Haven't seen a report about it.

by DCB1 03.01.10 19:19

Molly wrote:
DCB1 wrote:I have seen pictures of the red stuff to detect fingerprints on the outside of the shutters - but not inside. If you were going to try and lift them wouldn't you wrap your fingers underneath (pointing away from you with hands upturned, palms supporting the weight and doing the lifting) - so would the fingerprints have been on the inside of the shutters at the very bottom?

Probably. I think I've seen a picture though that looked like as if there was red powder on the inside of the shutters (will try to find it), could have been spilled powder perhaps? Haven't seen a report about it.

Thanks

by Guest 03.01.10 19:27

Can someone show me where Websters fingerprints were taken please. Not seen it so if someone can show me i will be grateful

by vaguely 03.01.10 19:28

rockyrobin wrote:Can someone show me where Websters fingerprints were taken please. Not seen it so if someone can show me i will be grateful

You mean her elimination prints?

by Guest 03.01.10 20:31

Looks like the forum is back to green? My eyes are grateful for that.

Re "red powder on the inside of the shutters" may be I was wrong about that, not sure.

Take a look at http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_969.jpg use Ctr + to enlarge the photo's.

Left picture shutters from the outside - closed.
Right picture shutters & window from the inside - partly open. Looks as if it's got the red powder at the bottom of the shutters.
On the exterior pictures you can see there's red powder spilled under the shutters on the windowsill.

This page made me think they examined the inside of the shutters : http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_971.jpg
but when reading what's written under those photo's it looks like it's the patio doors and their shutters.
Sorry.