mccanns -v- amaral - next chapter

Slartibartfast wrote:

Autumn wrote:

marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

Autumn wrote:
Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

jkh wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

Autumn wrote:

marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

They left their children home alone at the very least, they've admitted that crime. I wonder why other people who have left their children home alone are now in jail and the McCanns are not?

Bea_Reasonable wrote:

jkh wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

Autumn wrote:

marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

They left their children home alone at the very least, they've admitted that crime. I wonder why other people who have left their children home alone are now in jail and the McCanns are not?

Who is in jail, Jill? Seriously, which parent leaving children home alone were jailed?

jkh wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

Autumn wrote:

marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

They left their children home alone at the very least, they've admitted that crime. I wonder why other people who have left their children home alone are now in jail and the McCanns are not?

Slartibartfast wrote:

jkh wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

Autumn wrote:

marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

They left their children home alone at the very least, they've admitted that crime. I wonder why other people who have left their children home alone are now in jail and the McCanns are not?

But they did not admit to a crime. They thought that their checks were adequate. You simply cannot compare it to someone going out for a weekend and leaving their children unattended.
I personally don't think it's right to leave kids alone but I don't go around dictating what is right or wrong for other people to do with their kids nor do I know the circumstances or the environment in PdeL
In any event the prosecutor ruled that there was no intent to abandon or neglect just a careless checking system.

jkh wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

jkh wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

Autumn wrote:

marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

They left their children home alone at the very least, they've admitted that crime. I wonder why other people who have left their children home alone are now in jail and the McCanns are not?

But they did not admit to a crime. They thought that their checks were adequate. You simply cannot compare it to someone going out for a weekend and leaving their children unattended.
I personally don't think it's right to leave kids alone but I don't go around dictating what is right or wrong for other people to do with their kids nor do I know the circumstances or the environment in PdeL
In any event the prosecutor ruled that there was no intent to abandon or neglect just a careless checking system.

In that case child neglect should be legalised then so that no one goes to jail don't you think?

Autumn wrote:It sickens me that there are people here who continue to trivialize the neglectful behaviour of the McCanns towards their children. Like it or not, the McCanns wilfully exposed their very young children to all manner of dangers such as fire, accidental injury, choking - anyone who attempts to defend or justify treating children like this is, imo, supportive of child neglect. I am fed up of idiots trotting out the usual mantra 'we have all done' - NO WE HAVE NOT!!!!!!!! No caring parent would have gone out and left very young children unattended in an apartment as they did and anyone who thinks that it is acceptable to do so, is unfit to look to look after a hamster.

Ruby wrote:Hooray Marigold I 100% endorse your rant. They can't all be worshippers though... I fully believe some on here are the bloody MMU trying to influence public opinion because no-one IRL takes the extreme and offensive stance we're getting subjected to regularly here - they bloody wish it was convincing so they could go back to their day jobs!

marigold wrote:It sickens me too Autumn. It just isn't normal, caring behaviour to leave your children alone and defenceless in this way. It is even worse considering that Madeleine made it clear that she had been crying for them while they were out and they STILL went out the next night. What sort of parent does that? What's more they have NEVER accepted that they did wrong or advised others not to copy them but insisted it was within the bounds of responsible parenting. How can this EVER be deemed responsible! They are a complete disgrace and shameless in my opinion.

Cherub wrote:Autumn. May I ask; do you think the McCanns harmed their daughter? or do you believe that there was an abductor?

Autumn wrote:

Cherub wrote:Autumn. May I ask; do you think the McCanns harmed their daughter? or do you believe that there was an abductor?

I believe that Madeleine died in apartment 5A around 30th-1st May 2007 - her death was most likely, imo, a result of an accident but nothing can be ruled out. I find it hard to think that the McCanns deliberatly harmed their daughter but that is not to say that Madeleine did not come to harm as a result of their neglectful behaviour. From the outset, I have never believed Madeleine was abducted and nothing I have read about this case since has convinced me otherwise.

Autumn wrote:

Cherub wrote:Autumn. May I ask; do you think the McCanns harmed their daughter? or do you believe that there was an abductor?

I believe that Madeleine died in apartment 5A around 30th-1st May 2007 - her death was most likely, imo, a result of an accident but nothing can be ruled out. I find it hard to think that the McCanns deliberatly harmed their daughter but that is not to say that Madeleine did not come to harm as a result of their neglectful behaviour. From the outset, I have never believed Madeleine was abducted and nothing I have read about this case since has convinced me otherwise.

Bea_Reasonable wrote:Nothing about Amaral makes you feel uneasy?

Honestly?

Nothing?

Bea_Reasonable wrote:Leaving their children, absolutely does yes.

How about Amaral, his conviction for brutality? he never found her, never even came close?His book? The jag? Makes you feel good about him?

Cherub wrote:Ok Autumn. Thanks for your response. So you believe the 'neglect issue' is the cause of Madelene's demise?
Had the parents checked more frequently, you believe the child would not be 'missing'?

Could you explain the dates? Thanks.

I wonder if also you could also explain how you think the McCanns, would carry on as usual (as per Twinkles post) yet you find it difficult to believe they harmed her deliberately.

Sorry if I come across as a bit sarcastic. I assure you I am not. I am genuinely interested. Right now I am on the fence with one leg in the 'anti' garden. That is more as a result of some of the over zealous 'pro' opinion than much else if truth be told.

Raffle wrote:

Autumn wrote:

Cherub wrote:Autumn. May I ask; do you think the McCanns harmed their daughter? or do you believe that there was an abductor?

I believe that Madeleine died in apartment 5A around 30th-1st May 2007 - her death was most likely, imo, a result of an accident but nothing can be ruled out. I find it hard to think that the McCanns deliberatly harmed their daughter but that is not to say that Madeleine did not come to harm as a result of their neglectful behaviour. From the outset, I have never believed Madeleine was abducted and nothing I have read about this case since has convinced me otherwise.

from the 30th April until the closing hours of 3rd May, so four days with a dead child in the apartment? And they went out for dinner, played tennis etc etc as if all was well in the world?

Are you sure she even went to PDL?