Re: Latest from PeterMac's FREE e-book: CHAPTER 63 SMITH-GERRY-MAN SCRUTINISED

by **AnneCGuedes** 20.09.24 22:36

Peter Smith and his wife likely did the efits, but not MS (how could he ? He said clearly Smithman turned down his head).

If one wonders why Martin S, who had shunned the media, was suddenly quoted by the UK MSM on 3 January 2008, consider the fact that this witness, who was perfectly willing to return to PdL, did not do so. After the déjà-vu of 11 September 2007, the GA team had taken this initiative, which was cancelled by a very reticent or politically correct João Carlos, on the pretext of dubious reliability!

by **Bluebagthepirate** 21.09.24 7:43

AnneCGuedes wrote:
Bluebagthepirate wrote:

His statement is not dated 30th January by the way.

23 January.

I know.

Something is not right here. The signatures are on different pages.

They had also done the e-fits at this point.

I still think it was his September statement and they got him to sign it. They really couldn't be arsed.

It doesn't make sense otherwise with what they told the media at this time.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 21.09.24 8:53

I think Tony Bennett did a good job summing this up back in 2018.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15532-the-theory-that-smithman-gerry-mccann-carefully-explained

Peter put the nail in it's coffin recently.

Interesting quote from Tony in the post:

"The Crimewatch programme, as with the Channel 4 Documentary in 2009, rehearsed the McCanns’ account of events.

During the programme, the BBC mentioned that Martin Smith had once thought that the man he had seen that night was Gerry McCann, but said he had now ‘changed his mind’. "

by **Bluebagthepirate** 21.09.24 10:52

Bluebagthepirate wrote:
Martin Smith wrote:During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife.
Ahem.

Let's be clear about this.

Peter and Aofie DISAGREED with their father about it being Gerry.

Depending on the relationship with his wife you can't say him saying her feeling the same way as him means that. I'd like to hear it from the horse's mouth.

Now anyway I thought someone said that Aofie who saw the buttons was the most observant?

by **Bluebagthepirate** 21.09.24 10:56

Bluebagthepirate wrote:

They had also done the e-fits at this point.

I withdraw this.

They were done later in the year and fully co-operated with the McCann's private investigators in this.

Bit odd if you still think it was Gerry.

by **crusader** 21.09.24 11:22

What about judicial secrecy, wouldn't the Smiths be under the same rules as all the others to not discuss anything to do with the case.
Would they really be talking to the McCann's private detectives.
Why would he speak to Brian Kennedy.
Did he speak to Scotland Yard detectives and if so, why didn't they do a photo fit and release it.

by Honesty 21.09.24 11:35

Bluebagthepirate wrote:I think Tony Bennett did a good job summing this up back in 2018.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15532-the-theory-that-smithman-gerry-mccann-carefully-explained

Peter put the nail in it's coffin recently.

Interesting quote from Tony in the post:

"The Crimewatch programme, as with the Channel 4 Documentary in 2009, rehearsed the McCanns’ account of events.

During the programme, the BBC mentioned that Martin Smith had once thought that the man he had seen that night was Gerry McCann, but said he had now ‘changed his mind’. "

So, is it the BBC who said Mr Smith had changed his mind or is there a record of Mr Smith having actually said he had changed his mind?

by **crusader** 21.09.24 12:15

I don't believe M Smith said any such thing.

by **crusader** 21.09.24 12:23

It's Gerry McCann that's the bad guy here, not M Smith.
There is an lot of talk to try to discredit M Smith and his family when he's done nothing wrong.
It could very well be Gerry Mc that they saw that night, more should be made of this fact instead of finding reasons why it was not him.

by Cake Lover 21.09.24 12:34

crusader wrote:What about judicial secrecy, wouldn't the Smiths be under the same rules as all the others to not discuss anything to do with the case.
Would they really be talking to the McCann's private detectives.
Why would he speak to Brian Kennedy.
Did he speak to Scotland Yard detectives and if so, why didn't they do a photo fit and release it.

Whether they were right or wrong in thinking that they Gerry McCann, there seems to have been interference.

by Cake Lover 21.09.24 12:35

^ that they saw.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 21.09.24 12:35

crusader wrote:It's Gerry McCann that's the bad guy here, not M Smith.
There is an lot of talk to try to discredit M Smith and his family when he's done nothing wrong.
It could very well be Gerry Mc that they saw that night, more should be made of this fact instead of finding reasons why it was not him.

What time do you think the Smith sighting was? Do you disagree with Peter's analysis?

You you agree that Martin Smith's child disagree with him about Gerry?

Why would Gerry do such a stupid thing anyway after bumping into Jez earlier, he could have bumped into anyone he knew?

by **Bluebagthepirate** 21.09.24 12:39

crusader wrote:I don't believe M Smith said any such thing.

I checked.

It was on Panorama... the BBC later apologised and corrected it.

So the BBC got that wrong.

But anyway, why would he co-operate with the McCann investigators if he thought it was Gerry (actually he wasn't sure even by his own words).

By his own words he is 20 to 40% sure he is wrong.

And of course his kids disagreed with him 100%.

by **crusader** 21.09.24 12:57

Bluebagthepirate wrote:
crusader wrote:It's Gerry McCann that's the bad guy here, not M Smith.
There is an lot of talk to try to discredit M Smith and his family when he's done nothing wrong.
It could very well be Gerry Mc that they saw that night, more should be made of this fact instead of finding reasons why it was not him.
What time do you think the Smith sighting was? Do you disagree with Peter's analysis?

You you agree that Martin Smith's child disagree with him about Gerry?

Why would Gerry do such a stupid thing anyway after bumping into Jez earlier, he could have bumped into anyone he knew?

We have thrashed this out numerous times and I'm not going back there.
The thread needs to move on instead of going around in circles.
The Smiths have never been believed, when they could be the key to the whole mystery.
They saw a man with a child who they thought was Madeleine, they have never gone back on that and they think it is important.
The Smith sighting is only important if you believe Madeleine died that day and not as some think earlier in the week.

by **crusader** 21.09.24 13:11

Peter's analysis is based on it being Madeleine and Gerry and why it wasn't them the Smith's saw.
If Madeleine died earlier in the week, it's impossible that it was Gerry and Madeleine, so where Gerry was at 10pm is irrelevant unless he was there and carrying someone else's child.
It's not about the Smith Family, it's about who the Smith family saw on 3rd May that matters.

by Shash T 21.09.24 13:17

If we assume M died on 3rd while they were all at dinner, assume she's dead an hour or two before she's discovered. Then assume Gerry decides to wander around the resort looking for the ideal hiding place with a dead child in his arms. Wouldn't there be a load of flies following and landing on M?

by **AnneCGuedes** 21.09.24 13:21

Bluebagthepirate wrote:
Bluebagthepirate wrote:
Martin Smith wrote:During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife.
Ahem.
Let's be clear about this.

Peter and Aofie DISAGREED with their father about it being Gerry.

Depending on the relationship with his wife you can't say him saying her feeling the same way as him means that. I'd like to hear it from the horse's mouth.

Now anyway I thought someone said that Aofie who saw the buttons was the most observant?

Not agreeing is different from disagreeing. They just could say (but all agreed child looked like M). A saw Smithman in a low-angle, three-quarter view, the face had to be distorted. Mary S likely thought it wasn't necessary to insist, after all they just were giving an hint to the PJ, nothing more.

by **crusader** 21.09.24 13:26

Shash T wrote,

If we assume M died on 3rd while they were all at dinner, assume she's dead an hour or two before she's discovered. Then assume Gerry decides to wander around the resort looking for the ideal hiding place with a dead child in his arms. Wouldn't there be a load of flies following and landing on M?

Are you taking the piss, can't you think of anything better to post.

by **AnneCGuedes** 21.09.24 13:37

crusader wrote:I don't believe M Smith said any such thing.

You don't believe, and it is unbelievable for those who read the MS's statements, but lots of people did believe the blatant lie told in the BBC programme and it's a shame. It gives an idea of the British doxa about the MC case.

by **AnneCGuedes** 21.09.24 13:39

Sorry (why isn't it possible to edit anymore, Jill ?) I meant of course "They just couldn't say".

by **Bluebagthepirate** 21.09.24 13:40

Not agreeing is different from disagreeing.

No it isn't actually.

by Honesty 21.09.24 13:58

Does Madeleine have to have died on the 3rd May for GM to be Smithman?

by **crusader** 21.09.24 14:02

I would have thought so.

by **Nina** 21.09.24 14:03

Shash T wrote:If we assume M died on 3rd while they were all at dinner, assume she's dead an hour or two before she's discovered. Then assume Gerry decides to wander around the resort looking for the ideal hiding place with a dead child in his arms. Wouldn't there be a load of flies following and landing on M?

No there wouldn't be any flies following.

by **Jill Havern** 21.09.24 14:38

AnneCGuedes wrote:Sorry (why isn't it possible to edit anymore, Jill ?) I meant of course "They just couldn't say".

Post edit duration limit is 15 minutes.

by **AnneCGuedes** 21.09.24 14:39

Honesty wrote:Does Madeleine have to have died on the 3rd May for GM to be Smithman?

No, but she could hardly have died before May 2 to 3 night.

by **AnneCGuedes** 21.09.24 14:40

AnneCGuedes wrote:
Honesty wrote:Does Madeleine have to have died on the 3rd May for GM to be Smithman?

No, but she could hardly have died before May 2 to 3 night.

I just sent this and no post-edition at all available..

by Justice for Maddie 21.09.24 14:41

Shash T wrote:If we assume M died on 3rd while they were all at dinner, assume she's dead an hour or two before she's discovered. Then assume Gerry decides to wander around the resort looking for the ideal hiding place with a dead child in his arms. Wouldn't there be a load of flies following and landing on M?

Are you serious?

by Justice for Maddie 21.09.24 14:53

Oldfield was the last one who "checked" the children at 9:25 PM right? How long did the check last and wasn't Gerry "watching Football" on one evening?

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD.htm

by Shash T 21.09.24 14:57

Nina wrote:
Shash T wrote:If we assume M died on 3rd while they were all at dinner, assume she's dead an hour or two before she's discovered. Then assume Gerry decides to wander around the resort looking for the ideal hiding place with a dead child in his arms. Wouldn't there be a load of flies following and landing on M?
No there wouldn't be any flies following.

Thank you Nina for your kind reply.
It seems from others replies that I'm a thicko.

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