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crusader wrote:Perhaps a small fiberglass canoe would have been possible but anyone looking for a missing child would look under there.
I'm inclined to think it never happened.
And the ego's would have been on display, any of the searchers that night would have wanted to be the one to find her.
They would have left "No boat unturned"

Justice for Maddie wrote:Why did Mr. Smith change the statement about the sighting weeks later, because he saw Gerry carring Sean? Because it was Gerry?  Or is it a red herring?
 
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Maybe he hid the body between rocks and bushes on the beach?

crusader wrote:pinkgladioli wrote
From Martin Smith’s statement =
He only became aware of the disappearance of the child the next morning, through his daughter L…., in Ireland who had sent him a message or called him regarding what happened






Then he forgot all about it until he suddenly remembered much later and put 2 and 2 together

pinkgladioli wrote:I’ve got no idea if the following is true although it mentions the McC’s and Kelly’s bar

My last and final word on the McCann’s, As you know I live on a small farm just outside Luz three months of the year. I have lived here for 25 years. I arrived in Luz, a week after Maddie vanished and I was here (where I am now) for a three month sabbatical.

I loved the whole McCann experience. On my first day of my sabbatical, I walked into town with my son. It’s a long walk but the weather was beautiful. We wandered down to the beach and the first person we bumped into (literally) was Gerry McCann, it was 9.30am and eight days after her dissapearance, he was standing in his swimmers, a phone in one hand and slugging San Miguel beer in the other, I couldn’t believe it. His twins were playing games with his sister Philomena, who was sporting a Celtic top. We then went up to the Baptists’s supermarket where we encountered Kate who was giggling with a friend and laughing at our oddly shaped and locally produced tomatoes.
The body language was odd to say the least to say the least and during the course of the next three months I bumped into them regularly in the local pubs (Kelly’s or The Bull) or the beach

John James site blog (Scottish football blog)  
Posted by Jon Maddie case files 

I wonder if their is any truth in this and if so is their a possibility of frequenting the bar at the same time as the Smiths?

pinkgladioli wrote:

crusader wrote:pinkgladioli wrote
From Martin Smith’s statement =
He only became aware of the disappearance of the child the next morning, through his daughter L…., in Ireland who had sent him a message or called him regarding what happened






Then he forgot all about it until he suddenly remembered much later and put 2 and 2 together

IMO I just don’t buy it! granted I’m using my own personal experience as an example, when you hear about an appeal for a missing child and you happen to have been in the same area at the time of the appeal you dissect every part of that time in minute detail and you play it over in your head right away then act by contacting the authorities 
Given your blessed with children and Grandchildren that are precious to you even more so 
I just can’t fathom why anyone in this situation could possibly wait nearly two weeks and have a light bulb moment at what they say they saw in a narrow street in a small town

Nina wrote:

pinkgladioli wrote:I’ve got no idea if the following is true although it mentions the McC’s and Kelly’s bar

My last and final word on the McCann’s, As you know I live on a small farm just outside Luz three months of the year. I have lived here for 25 years. I arrived in Luz, a week after Maddie vanished and I was here (where I am now) for a three month sabbatical.

I loved the whole McCann experience. On my first day of my sabbatical, I walked into town with my son. It’s a long walk but the weather was beautiful. We wandered down to the beach and the first person we bumped into (literally) was Gerry McCann, it was 9.30am and eight days after her dissapearance, he was standing in his swimmers, a phone in one hand and slugging San Miguel beer in the other, I couldn’t believe it. His twins were playing games with his sister Philomena, who was sporting a Celtic top. We then went up to the Baptists’s supermarket where we encountered Kate who was giggling with a friend and laughing at our oddly shaped and locally produced tomatoes.
The body language was odd to say the least to say the least and during the course of the next three months I bumped into them regularly in the local pubs (Kelly’s or The Bull) or the beach

John James site blog (Scottish football blog)  
Posted by Jon Maddie case files 

I wonder if their is any truth in this and if so is their a possibility of frequenting the bar at the same time as the Smiths?

I would say this was true in as much as seeing the parents and their visitors looking as though they were on holiday rather than working incredibly hard to find their lost daughter. I remember clearly seeing a piece on a Spanish news programme showing a view filmed through shrubbery of the McCanns and again big sister Phil sat outside a cafebar looking as though they were having a wonderful time.

Nina wrote:

Justice for Maddie wrote:Why did Mr. Smith change the statement about the sighting weeks later, because he saw Gerry carring Sean? Because it was Gerry?  Or is it a red herring?
 
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Maybe he hid the body between rocks and bushes on the beach?

What an excellent find Justice for Madeleine. Never seen that before. Lots of places to hide something but not a dead body you are carrying in your arms.

PeterMac wrote:Pat is fixated on Smithman and it runing the risk of 'interpreting' the bits of evidence we have to fit her hypothesis
Like Clarke has done, and Wolters for that matter.

If I understand her position correctly, Smithman = Gerry carries the body down to the rocks just south of the Smithman point, hides her under an upturned boat, and tehn niops back ot the Tapas in time for the next Act

THEN - and this is the killer - he or they return during the night, retrieve the body and carry it along the beach to Rocha Negra where they hide it again.

I make no observation about the Full moon, cloudless sky, number of Police and tourists and dogs searching everywhere, fishing boats  in the bay from around 3am,  Smithman timing 9;58pm at the earliest, Alarm timing anywhere from 9:30pm to 10pm. or a lot more.

I am not saying it is wrong.  I just don't see how it can work.  And I see NO evidence for any of it.

crusader wrote:pinkgladioli wrote
From Martin Smith’s statement =
He only became aware of the disappearance of the child the next morning, through his daughter L…., in Ireland who had sent him a message or called him regarding what happened






Then he forgot all about it until he suddenly remembered much later and put 2 and 2 together

crusader wrote:I'm not saying Pat B is right, I just don't know, but let's go along with it to see if what she say's could work.
The first part where Gerry or whoever put's Madeleine under an upturned boat on the beach, possible.
The second part where they went back later, removed Madeleine and hid her somewhere else, also possible.
The searches were called off at 4am, Kate said her and Gerry waited until daylight and then went out to search, it's possible they removed Madeleines body then.
But hiding the body under an upturned boat is risky, if Gerry could lift it, so could a man involved in the search and the search did include the beach area.
People in the search said they opened bins and looked behind walls, surely someone would have looked under a boat.
At the time the search was for a missing child, a perfect hiding place for a live child would be under a boat.

Justice for Maddie wrote:

Nina wrote:

Justice for Maddie wrote:Why did Mr. Smith change the statement about the sighting weeks later, because he saw Gerry carring Sean? Because it was Gerry?  Or is it a red herring?
 
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Maybe he hid the body between rocks and bushes on the beach?

What an excellent find Justice for Madeleine. Never seen that before. Lots of places to hide something but not a dead body you are carrying in your arms.

Why not? If Gerry was really Smithman he could hid the body between rocks and bushes in the beach area until the body removal. Did they investigate the beach area with dogs back then?

AnneCGuedes wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Pat is fixated on Smithman and it runing the risk of 'interpreting' the bits of evidence we have to fit her hypothesis
Like Clarke has done, and Wolters for that matter.

If I understand her position correctly, Smithman = Gerry carries the body down to the rocks just south of the Smithman point, hides her under an upturned boat, and tehn niops back ot the Tapas in time for the next Act

THEN - and this is the killer - he or they return during the night, retrieve the body and carry it along the beach to Rocha Negra where they hide it again.

I make no observation about the Full moon, cloudless sky, number of Police and tourists and dogs searching everywhere, fishing boats  in the bay from around 3am,  Smithman timing 9;58pm at the earliest, Alarm timing anywhere from 9:30pm to 10pm. or a lot more.

I am not saying it is wrong.  I just don't see how it can work.  And I see NO evidence for any of it.

There is surely no evidence of a concealing under an upturned boat (that was an idea of The dust under the carpet's Jeanne Darc, smart, but no..) and of a return during the night to retrieve the body etc.
I personnaly am "fixated" on Smithman (with a valid reason for that, and not only Pat's one), but I think also that the body had gone out of PdL before the sun rise, and not in the ocean. No evidence though except the MCs' extraordinary relief after 48 hours...

crusader wrote:Bluebag wrote
Why do people still think Gerry was walking around with a high risk of meeting someone like had happened to him 45 minutes earlier?

I don't get it.






Somebody was walking around with a child though.

pinkgladioli wrote:

I just can’t fathom why anyone in this situation could possibly wait nearly two weeks and have a light bulb moment at what they say they saw in a narrow street in a small town

AnneCGuedes wrote:

pinkgladioli wrote:

I just can’t fathom why anyone in this situation could possibly wait nearly two weeks and have a light bulb moment at what they say they saw in a narrow street in a small town

Your comment contradicts the idea that Smithman was carrying the child normally. There was an anomaly, it is indicated in MS's statement. He obviously didn't deduce from it that the child was dead, but his memory recorded the anomaly as it appears in his deposition 23 days later.

Justice for Maddie wrote:

AnneCGuedes wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Pat is fixated on Smithman and it runing the risk of 'interpreting' the bits of evidence we have to fit her hypothesis
Like Clarke has done, and Wolters for that matter.

If I understand her position correctly, Smithman = Gerry carries the body down to the rocks just south of the Smithman point, hides her under an upturned boat, and tehn niops back ot the Tapas in time for the next Act

THEN - and this is the killer - he or they return during the night, retrieve the body and carry it along the beach to Rocha Negra where they hide it again.

I make no observation about the Full moon, cloudless sky, number of Police and tourists and dogs searching everywhere, fishing boats  in the bay from around 3am,  Smithman timing 9;58pm at the earliest, Alarm timing anywhere from 9:30pm to 10pm. or a lot more.

I am not saying it is wrong.  I just don't see how it can work.  And I see NO evidence for any of it.

There is surely no evidence of a concealing under an upturned boat (that was an idea of The dust under the carpet's Jeanne Darc, smart, but no..) and of a return during the night to retrieve the body etc.
I personnaly am "fixated" on Smithman (with a valid reason for that, and not only Pat's one), but I think also that the body had gone out of PdL before the sun rise, and not in the ocean. No evidence though except the MCs' extraordinary relief after 48 hours...

Yes, the McCanns were too relaxed and didn't search for Maddie.
Didn't a guy see Murat's girlfriend at a farmhouse with a child's body outside of PdL (according to the PJ Files)?

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAELA_WALCZUCH.htm

crusader wrote:I think something is being misunderstood.
pinkgladioli made a perfectly reasonable comment, she was quoting me regards the "lightbulb moment".
That was my interpretation, the Smith's never said "lightbulb moment".

I think it would be a good thing to read all the recent comments in the thread before commenting so as to avoid any confusion.

crusader wrote:I think something is being misunderstood.
pinkgladioli made a perfectly reasonable comment, she was quoting me regards the "lightbulb moment".
That was my interpretation, the Smith's never said "lightbulb moment".

I think it would be a good thing to read all the recent comments in the thread before commenting so as to avoid any confusion.

AnneCGuedes wrote:

crusader wrote:I think something is being misunderstood.
pinkgladioli made a perfectly reasonable comment, she was quoting me regards the "lightbulb moment".
That was my interpretation, the Smith's never said "lightbulb moment".

I think it would be a good thing to read all the recent comments in the thread before commenting so as to avoid any confusion.

I was answering to "I just can’t fathom why anyone in this situation could possibly wait nearly two weeks". I should have suppressed the rest of the sentence, sorry !

Justice for Maddie wrote:

Justice for Maddie wrote:

AnneCGuedes wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Pat is fixated on Smithman and it runing the risk of 'interpreting' the bits of evidence we have to fit her hypothesis
Like Clarke has done, and Wolters for that matter.

If I understand her position correctly, Smithman = Gerry carries the body down to the rocks just south of the Smithman point, hides her under an upturned boat, and tehn niops back ot the Tapas in time for the next Act

THEN - and this is the killer - he or they return during the night, retrieve the body and carry it along the beach to Rocha Negra where they hide it again.

I make no observation about the Full moon, cloudless sky, number of Police and tourists and dogs searching everywhere, fishing boats  in the bay from around 3am,  Smithman timing 9;58pm at the earliest, Alarm timing anywhere from 9:30pm to 10pm. or a lot more.

I am not saying it is wrong.  I just don't see how it can work.  And I see NO evidence for any of it.

There is surely no evidence of a concealing under an upturned boat (that was an idea of The dust under the carpet's Jeanne Darc, smart, but no..) and of a return during the night to retrieve the body etc.
I personnaly am "fixated" on Smithman (with a valid reason for that, and not only Pat's one), but I think also that the body had gone out of PdL before the sun rise, and not in the ocean. No evidence though except the MCs' extraordinary relief after 48 hours...

Yes, the McCanns were too relaxed and didn't search for Maddie.
Didn't a guy see Murat's girlfriend at a farmhouse with a child's body outside of PdL (according to the PJ Files)?

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAELA_WALCZUCH.htm

ttps://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAELA_WALCZUCH.htm

3. IDENTIFICATION OF MURAT'S GIRLFRIEND AND MOVING OF A CHILD'S BODY TO A HIDDEN AREA

Manuel informs us that the day after Madeleine's disappearance at about 4 or 5 pm when he was travelling on the ICI road at kilometre 718, he saw two stationary cars, an Audi A3 driven by a man and a green car (very special green colour) driven by a blonde woman. Subsequently we showed him a series of photographs that were in our possession amongst which the one with the closes resemblance was that of a woman who turns out to be Murat's girlfriend, Michaela Walczuch.

The cars were stationary; the green one was inside a farm where two elderly men live and separated by a metal fence and on the pavement of the road was the Audi. When Manuel drove past in his lorry he saw how the woman passed a bundle wrapped in a blanket over the fence, being convinced that this was a child. (Because of the way she was holding it and because it was wrapped in the blanket).

It should be noted that Manuel's manifestations seem reliable to us, in part because of the fear that he showed before and during our meeting as well as due to the successive contacts that we have had with him and the interest that he has always shown.

Manuel preferred to remain anonymous given that he was very frightened and did not want to give us his surnames. He drives a grey Renault Laguna, number plate 53 92 RF. In order for us to contact him he provided the email address of a relative: