Re: Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case

by crusader 28.05.24 18:40

If Madeleine died on Sunday why was the Foreign detective convinced she died on Wednesday?
It was hardly a sudden impulse to wait until Wednesday if she died on Sunday.

by crusader 28.05.24 18:41

He only stayed with her after he found her sick at 9:30, they left her to go out to dinner knowing she was sick.

by Silentscope 28.05.24 18:42

@ Jill Havern - thanks! Lizzy 'HiDeHo' Taylor's input is here:

This is the list of everyone that 'saw' Madeleine during the holiday according to their statements.

Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada (5A Cleaner's daughter) - Credible

Cecilia Dias Firmino - Receptionist at Millenium - described a shy Madeleine and saw them on days they were not at restaurant. - Therefore, not proof that she saw Madeleine...She may have seen one of the other tapas children

Jeronimo Salcedes - Tapas Barman - Admits to not being able to recognise if it was Madeleine.

Maria M A Jose - Tapas Cook - Described seeing Madeleine every lunchtime in the tapas next to the creche Madeleine attended, but Madeleine did not go to that creche so she was mistaken with which child she saw.

Luisa Ana de Noronha de Azevedo Coutinho ( Receptionist) - Claims to have seen Madeleine with ROB but his daughter was not in the creche that morning and looks very similar to Madeleine so likely mistaken.

Georgina Jackson - Tennis instructor - Was non specific about seeing Madeleine...only that she was part of the group for that morning.

Bridget O'Donnell - Jez Wilkins partner - Claimed 'all pretty in pink' for the mini tennis with the Sharks on Thursday...Madeleine's group played on Tuesday, so she was mistaken that Madeleine may have been there.

Miguel Matias - Owner of Paraiso - Was convinced he saw Madeleine dancing with her daddy and on his shoulders but we KNOW Madeleine was not there...he mistakenly thought another child was Madeleine.

The Boyds Their son supposedly played with Madeleine on the waterslide on May 3rd - They made no statement, just a magazine article that has many discrepancies about its credibility which I can explain further if necessary.

Catriona Baker - Non credible with her statement riddled with discrepancies as well as her trip to visit the McCanns in Rothley does not help with credibility.

Charlotte Pennington - Already accepted as being questionable with many contradictions and discrepancies.

Elisa Dias Romao - Claimed seeing Madeleine at times she was not there.(according to creche records)

Emma Wilding -Did not know Madeleine well and makes incorrect statement about seeing Gerry

Paula Cristina da Costa Vieira Cleaner - Saw them twice leaving Millenium about 9.30 - 10am - The didn't go to Millenium for breakfast

Alice Stanley & Chris Unsworth - Took children sailing May 3rd - Apparently no formal statements from them-

Non Specific comments that do not (imo) confirm Madeleine's presence:-

Jeremy (Jes/Jez) Wilkins
Stephen Carpenter
Daniel Stuk

Are there any of the above witnesses that REALLY DID SEE MADELEINE? I encourage anyone to show me one witness that, according to their statement, PROBABLY saw Madeleine during the week.

Some are obviously mistaken but the remainder (and there are very few considering she was there for more than 5 days) are questionable at best.

For those of us that believe something happened earlier, the statements confirm there is a possibility that she may not have been seen.

Read the statements in full (highlighted):
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Discrepancies-by-Topic/Who-Saw-Madeleine-Credibility-Statement-Highlights-1-780252.html

Source: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t11921-was-madeleine-seen-after-sunday

by Ladyinred 28.05.24 18:43

Jill Havern wrote:Have you got a link please Ladyinred?

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t11921-was-madeleine-seen-after-sunday?highlight=HiDeHo

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 18:47

crusader wrote:As Cake Lover said, the O'Brians did go out and leave a sick child.
But Madeleine wasn't sick, she was by all accounts dying from a head injury.

Yes, if Maddie walloped her head which caused a subdural haematoma, she wouldn't have necessarily died straightaway.

I hope it wasn't the case that rather than dying almost instantly from the fall, instead she lingered on for several days.

If Maddie was in severe pain from her head injury it could explain the need for sedation and the crying for 75 minutes.

There must be some explantion why she wasn't seen after Sunday.

by crusader 28.05.24 18:49

Another question has to be, were the twins seen after Sunday, people would be inclined to remember seeing twins in my opinion.

by Cake Lover 28.05.24 19:26

Perhaps they couldn't risk her being seen with an injury? I don't know what that would do to the timeline, though.

by crusader 28.05.24 19:35

I can't wait to get my book to find out what he means by the sudden impulse.

by AnneCGuedes 28.05.24 19:46

Jill Havern wrote:Thank you Anne....so, because Keela also alerted behind the sofa, Eddie could have been alerting to blood also.

Which means Maddie could have had the accident on Sunday as per the MMRG, but didn't die until the Wednesday as per Mr Stellander...so we could both be right.

But now what about Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo who claims to have seen Maddie on the Thursday?

I'll bet @HiDeHo has made a video about her somewhere...

It's one thing to claim that on a certain day you saw a child whom you don't know (remember "all blond, pink and pretty"). It's another to report a child who caught your attention at a certain time because she was running after a butterfly, making faces, singing a tune or asking you a question.

by Cake Lover 28.05.24 19:47

I think it must have been the decision to cover up what happened to Madeleine. I've thought of several things, but that's my best guess.

by crusader 28.05.24 19:50

Meaning sudden death and sudden decision to act quickly?

by Ladyinred 28.05.24 19:59

crusader wrote:I can't wait to get my book to find out what he means by the sudden impulse.

Throughout the book he expresses sympathy for the parents, not only for the accidental death of their first born child, but for the impossible and grave situation they all, including the Tapas 7, and many others are trapped due to what he calls ‘a Sudden Impulse’.
Gerry. “Sometimes people do things for reasons that even they cannot understand”
“An act of madness and accident or a sudden impulse could lead to consequences that people may never have imagined or intended”
“faced with such a situation we believe any human soul ultimately suffer torment and feelings of guilt and fear”

Snipped from PeterMac's post on other thread.

by crusader 28.05.24 20:04

So Gerry admits it was a sudden impulse and the Foreign Detective believes him.

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 20:11

To make a decsion to hide your daughter's corpse, rather than alert the authorities certainly must have been an act of madness.

If Maddie suffered a tragic fall on the Sunday but didn't die until the Wednesday, makes me think the McCanns are more evil that I first thought.

Maddie would have needed more than Calpol for a potential haematoma. In which case, did they manage to obtain something stronger or did they just so happen to have some in their luggage?

Which takes me right back to my original pre-planned theory that I can't shake off.

Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case - Page 11 33220

Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case - Page 11 52126

by Cake Lover 28.05.24 20:18

It makes me ponder, did she fall because she was doped, and then doped again because she was found injured and alive.

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 20:29

They would surely have needed more time than just a few weeks to find a suitable burial site on the Hill, make the memorial sites and dig the grave, retrieve the body from the initial hiding spot, hire the car and drive all the way to Huelva to put the police off the scent, and carry out the work without being seen.

Mr Stellander was on the hill for years looking for the sites.

Lt Col Danie Krugel searched the Hill, as did the PJ and Grange...admittedly not in the place that Mr Stellander caught the golden nuggests on field cams...but, still, it must have been an extraordinary feat for the McCanns.

Bravo.

Or maybe they found the spot during a previous holiday when there were no journalists or police monitoring them...maybe Maddie was starting to talk (Gaspar statements).

think

by Ladyinred 28.05.24 20:36

Had they visited PdL previously?

Perhaps a local helped them find a site.

by crusader 28.05.24 20:40

Does he say who the Golden nuggets are?

by Cake Lover 28.05.24 20:42

I'm desperate to know that. Whoever they are, they are co-conspirators, and they've lied and lied.

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 20:50

I don't know to be fair.

But if someone was in the 'network' winkwink

they wouldn't personally need to go...someone could have gone for them, someone who knew PdL well.

A 'Robert Murat' type person *insert another name here* etc.

It sounds crazy, but then so does the instant cover-up that started with Blair and Brown and the poisoned chalice handed to Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak...the MET being told to investigate an abduction...and all the people who rushed over to PdL to help sort out the mess, the PJ investigation being archived for political reasons and so on...

None of it makes sense...unless, to me anyway, they were involved in a ring of kiddy-fiddlers.

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 20:55

crusader wrote:Does he say who the Golden nuggets are?

He identified them from a sighting on the beach where the man was wearing the same clothes as the man at one of the sites, and he identified the woman in the cafe from the veins on the back of her hand...both on camera. Oh and the same dog.

But, the cliffhanger is, he didn't name them although he knows where they live cos he followed them from the cafe. That's where he wants them to squirm by the very detailed descriptions he gives in the book. They will know who he's talking about.

by Cake Lover 28.05.24 20:56

Casually asking people if they knew of a place off the beaten track for a picnic, somewhere they wouldn't be interrupted would do, if they didn't know of a place from a previous visit. Something along those lines. There are so many possibilities, aren't there?

by crusader 28.05.24 20:58

Well we are in until the end, Hopefully something will be revealed in time.
I can't wait for the video's to come out.

Where did I hear or see, or I could have made it up, The woman he filmed and followed was the priest's wife.

by **Jill Havern** 28.05.24 21:01

You'll have your book soon, so you can tell us what you think of it. Can't wait actually.

Sharon and Tony should get theirs soon too.

by Honesty 28.05.24 21:14

The idea of them burying the body on the Hill seems strange to me. I always presumed they buried/disposed of the body much further away, but truth is stranger than fiction perhaps.

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