Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
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Here it is. Unfinished and unpolished'
"I've spoken to Natasha about this one. She lives close to that beach as it happens, and has given me some details
I then went back to basics, assumed nothing and did some research
What do we KNOW
Last seen on the Amoreira Beach, Aljezur, 6pm, on 19th June 1996 having left the restaurant Paraiso (ring any bells?) at the north end of a small beach, with rocks either end, and a river pouring out at the southern end.
Easy to locate on Google earth Pro or Google maps.
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So far so obvious,
wind was from bearing 270º, a westerly, around 25kph, 15 mph, "Beaufort Force 4, Moderate breeze" at that time. More importantly it had been a westerly for a week. The significance of that is that due west there is a ‘fetch' of 5,500 k to the US, and 1,500 k to the Azores.
In plain terms the tiniest waves will build up and amalgamate into larger swells which become surf when they reach the shore.
There were therefore waves. Probably quite decent ones.
Also the waves beating in to what is in fact a cove, bring water which had to go somewhere. The phenomenon of the "rip' is well known by anyone who loves swimming in the open sea, and is used by surfers and divers to get out into deeper water without too much effort. You can actually see two on the little picture above.
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High tide ( and this is the Atlantic, because contrary to the “Official McCann wisdom” Portugal does not have a Mediterranean coast,). was 1730. Half past 5pm. The tidal range here is 3.15 metres. 10 feet.
The tide had turned, and was beginning to retreat.
Two things now happen.
The waves find themselves being pushed by the wind in one direction, but pulled by the tide in the opposite direction. They get even higher.
Secondly, the tide which had been holding back the water in the river, now 'releases' it. Locals play in the river at incoming tide and are swept upstream into a small lagoon which has formed as a natural reservoir.
So the river is now beginning to flow at Twice the expected rate, and the effect of that in the rip at the southern end will be more pronounced.
Wave periodicity has been studied across the world in detail. There is the folk-lore that every 7th wave is a bigger one that those either side. Whilst not strictly always accurate this effect may be seen on any beach. What is undoubted is that on all beaches from time to time a "really big wave' appears, apparently from nowhere – in fact the amalgamation of the energy of several swells which have developed at different times, are moving at different rates, and have been 'overtaken' by one moving very slightly fasterand amalgamated into it, with the combined energy making it far more powerful
When we know that we have a fetch of 3,500 miles, and that the wind had been blowing from the same quarter for nearly a week, it is not difficult to image a small boy, taking off and dropping on the sand his clothes to paddle or swim, running towards the retreating waves, only to be pummelled flat by one such so-called "freak" wave. The pressure and shock causes him to exhale and he then inhales water and drowns very quickly. He is then sucked out a small distance only to be pounded again by the next. A human body floats with only a small part of the back showing, if at all. The rip current then takes him out of any field of vision, and the rip from the river does the rest. By the time a helicopter can be summoned he has sunk.
The wave in question rushes up the beach, erasing his footprints, but not reaching the small pile of clothes.
The photo shows this effect fully, with the dark sand having been wetted, but the waves stopping short of it.
He has vanished. Swallowed up by the Ocean
Which is the conclusion the PJ came to, since they had even more access to contemporaneous weather, tidal, and shipping reports that I have attempted to access. I think they were right.
"I've spoken to Natasha about this one. She lives close to that beach as it happens, and has given me some details
I then went back to basics, assumed nothing and did some research
What do we KNOW
Last seen on the Amoreira Beach, Aljezur, 6pm, on 19th June 1996 having left the restaurant Paraiso (ring any bells?) at the north end of a small beach, with rocks either end, and a river pouring out at the southern end.
Easy to locate on Google earth Pro or Google maps.
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So far so obvious,
wind was from bearing 270º, a westerly, around 25kph, 15 mph, "Beaufort Force 4, Moderate breeze" at that time. More importantly it had been a westerly for a week. The significance of that is that due west there is a ‘fetch' of 5,500 k to the US, and 1,500 k to the Azores.
In plain terms the tiniest waves will build up and amalgamate into larger swells which become surf when they reach the shore.
There were therefore waves. Probably quite decent ones.
Also the waves beating in to what is in fact a cove, bring water which had to go somewhere. The phenomenon of the "rip' is well known by anyone who loves swimming in the open sea, and is used by surfers and divers to get out into deeper water without too much effort. You can actually see two on the little picture above.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
High tide ( and this is the Atlantic, because contrary to the “Official McCann wisdom” Portugal does not have a Mediterranean coast,). was 1730. Half past 5pm. The tidal range here is 3.15 metres. 10 feet.
The tide had turned, and was beginning to retreat.
Two things now happen.
The waves find themselves being pushed by the wind in one direction, but pulled by the tide in the opposite direction. They get even higher.
Secondly, the tide which had been holding back the water in the river, now 'releases' it. Locals play in the river at incoming tide and are swept upstream into a small lagoon which has formed as a natural reservoir.
So the river is now beginning to flow at Twice the expected rate, and the effect of that in the rip at the southern end will be more pronounced.
Wave periodicity has been studied across the world in detail. There is the folk-lore that every 7th wave is a bigger one that those either side. Whilst not strictly always accurate this effect may be seen on any beach. What is undoubted is that on all beaches from time to time a "really big wave' appears, apparently from nowhere – in fact the amalgamation of the energy of several swells which have developed at different times, are moving at different rates, and have been 'overtaken' by one moving very slightly fasterand amalgamated into it, with the combined energy making it far more powerful
When we know that we have a fetch of 3,500 miles, and that the wind had been blowing from the same quarter for nearly a week, it is not difficult to image a small boy, taking off and dropping on the sand his clothes to paddle or swim, running towards the retreating waves, only to be pummelled flat by one such so-called "freak" wave. The pressure and shock causes him to exhale and he then inhales water and drowns very quickly. He is then sucked out a small distance only to be pounded again by the next. A human body floats with only a small part of the back showing, if at all. The rip current then takes him out of any field of vision, and the rip from the river does the rest. By the time a helicopter can be summoned he has sunk.
The wave in question rushes up the beach, erasing his footprints, but not reaching the small pile of clothes.
The photo shows this effect fully, with the dark sand having been wetted, but the waves stopping short of it.
He has vanished. Swallowed up by the Ocean
Which is the conclusion the PJ came to, since they had even more access to contemporaneous weather, tidal, and shipping reports that I have attempted to access. I think they were right.
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thanks for the write up, peter!
and of course it is a sad case too, parents with young children do not go to a beach with the option to loose one, they are out for a nice day of fun, and returning with all okay after a nice day out.
and ocean and sea even do give back the body, but it is much easier to miss it. even in our pretty calm rivers, a body can escape attention. deeper lakes too, and there is often a lot of knowledge locally about the specifics of a body of water, a lot of talking rubbish too, of course. people are quite fond of a mystery. but there are usually at least some sound minded professionals to find, that can do a fair expectation of what could have happened.
the problem with most research that is done, is that is reflects from bodies that ended up in the end somewhere, you can not look into what you do not have. so that keeps feeding mysteries.
but it does help none of the missing children to go wild in getting them named to all nasty people who are found out.
and the police forces do not need a memorandum of the media to look in old and cold cases, it is common approach to look for any possible links, there are even a lot of already retired officers who keep a file, to still keep looking in these cases. even when there is a most likely answer to a case and even stronger when it is about a child that is still missing, they still will take up these files to look through it again, many return to the place where cases have once started too. and if you are just the latest set of fresh eyes on the floor, you can expect then to ask you to look through the file, to give your idea's if you have them.
you know and understand you can never solve all cases, but in your heart and mind, you simply do not accept a unsolved case with a missing person. and most would even welcome attention from the media, just to keep the case in the minds of the public too. but each case is one in itself, even with the same perp, it is not the same as with a burglar who raids many addresses, that you just use a maximum cases and have to leave the rest. the punishment will stay the same for 20 and 40, so there is nothing to gain.
but with missing person that is very different.
and look back in that article two girls who had the same outlook, both blond,...
this sentence; Like Maddie, Inga was a young girl with blonde hair, blue eyes who vanished without a trace. The case drew national attention, sparked wild theories, and questions about what happened to her persist even now.
they go from a not needed linking to the case of madeleine, directly over into myth making, because what do they tell like madeleine inga was blond with blue eyes, and that would not very much in the case of madeleine too, because she had not even blue eyes at all.
it just will become part of more mystification and misunderstanding in the public. it does not help anyone, and certainly not both girls. also there is very little special about young girls with blond hair and blue eyes, it is not a oddity, it is very common even to see or be a european girl with that combination. and it would not really set one or both apart from many others. for one it is even false information, it is not true.
it is wrong enough we can not find them, we have a hard time to give and do them justice but it are both cases of a missing child that needs a answer. that mixing of information, or calling all attention back to a case , that is mostly so well known because it was the choice of the media to make it well known.
there are only two equal points, first both are still missing, and both miss out in adults that are able to say, sorry, i do know what happened, and start telling their story. the rest does not mingle , or needs to taken together as equal, because the information that is out there and the information that is not, still had to many holes to tell their own stories.
and i do realize it comes often from a lazy mind, and a false sense of safety, to put a finger on the nasty people who are found out, but it would not make the world a safer place for all other young children, to not wanting to understand, there are many dangers to young children, and there are nasty people everywhere. and the majority of them are known and trusted by the child itself and often even the direct parents of carers.
something that is very realistic to see, if you simply count the outcome when nasty people doing nasty things to young children are found out.
but i think that as we still like to get our sentiments by our instincts, that of wanting to protect young children, we also start to recognize them as their own people, with their own stories, their own names and not as a group glued to each other to just sell your very badly written articles, because there is a choice in doing that, but not a need.
there is no public that ask for that, and by loosely fitting case after case together with another, you also loose out on the attention all these children need. even when the chance is very slim, they are still alive, and long lost the looks they once had, knowing they are still missing can become part of an answer. the names and cases all have a need to stay in our memories, to talked about. the public often have no other way to show they care about these missing children, and from that communal care it can make people remember little things. it can help changing minds.
and it is not only the victims. they do leave always people behind, who also have a need to a answer.
by connection cases to just one other, you are telling them also their missing ones are to been seen as less important, they do not deserve the attention on their own. and they do not deserve that too at all.
and it could very easily be done, by just give a list of the missing children at the end, if it all must be in one write up. just give that standard advice with the phone number of interpol or contact your local police office if you can shine any light on them.
by showing of time after time, it only show the public, you have character flaws in your contribution, by showing you use one as the cash cow to just put an piece under your name. and that you are just a coward, if you bravely keep following the wishes of your superiors too. missing children need attention to get them found, or to serve them justice, they are not free for all money making devices, you can use without shame.
and of course it is a sad case too, parents with young children do not go to a beach with the option to loose one, they are out for a nice day of fun, and returning with all okay after a nice day out.
and ocean and sea even do give back the body, but it is much easier to miss it. even in our pretty calm rivers, a body can escape attention. deeper lakes too, and there is often a lot of knowledge locally about the specifics of a body of water, a lot of talking rubbish too, of course. people are quite fond of a mystery. but there are usually at least some sound minded professionals to find, that can do a fair expectation of what could have happened.
the problem with most research that is done, is that is reflects from bodies that ended up in the end somewhere, you can not look into what you do not have. so that keeps feeding mysteries.
but it does help none of the missing children to go wild in getting them named to all nasty people who are found out.
and the police forces do not need a memorandum of the media to look in old and cold cases, it is common approach to look for any possible links, there are even a lot of already retired officers who keep a file, to still keep looking in these cases. even when there is a most likely answer to a case and even stronger when it is about a child that is still missing, they still will take up these files to look through it again, many return to the place where cases have once started too. and if you are just the latest set of fresh eyes on the floor, you can expect then to ask you to look through the file, to give your idea's if you have them.
you know and understand you can never solve all cases, but in your heart and mind, you simply do not accept a unsolved case with a missing person. and most would even welcome attention from the media, just to keep the case in the minds of the public too. but each case is one in itself, even with the same perp, it is not the same as with a burglar who raids many addresses, that you just use a maximum cases and have to leave the rest. the punishment will stay the same for 20 and 40, so there is nothing to gain.
but with missing person that is very different.
and look back in that article two girls who had the same outlook, both blond,...
this sentence; Like Maddie, Inga was a young girl with blonde hair, blue eyes who vanished without a trace. The case drew national attention, sparked wild theories, and questions about what happened to her persist even now.
they go from a not needed linking to the case of madeleine, directly over into myth making, because what do they tell like madeleine inga was blond with blue eyes, and that would not very much in the case of madeleine too, because she had not even blue eyes at all.
it just will become part of more mystification and misunderstanding in the public. it does not help anyone, and certainly not both girls. also there is very little special about young girls with blond hair and blue eyes, it is not a oddity, it is very common even to see or be a european girl with that combination. and it would not really set one or both apart from many others. for one it is even false information, it is not true.
it is wrong enough we can not find them, we have a hard time to give and do them justice but it are both cases of a missing child that needs a answer. that mixing of information, or calling all attention back to a case , that is mostly so well known because it was the choice of the media to make it well known.
there are only two equal points, first both are still missing, and both miss out in adults that are able to say, sorry, i do know what happened, and start telling their story. the rest does not mingle , or needs to taken together as equal, because the information that is out there and the information that is not, still had to many holes to tell their own stories.
and i do realize it comes often from a lazy mind, and a false sense of safety, to put a finger on the nasty people who are found out, but it would not make the world a safer place for all other young children, to not wanting to understand, there are many dangers to young children, and there are nasty people everywhere. and the majority of them are known and trusted by the child itself and often even the direct parents of carers.
something that is very realistic to see, if you simply count the outcome when nasty people doing nasty things to young children are found out.
but i think that as we still like to get our sentiments by our instincts, that of wanting to protect young children, we also start to recognize them as their own people, with their own stories, their own names and not as a group glued to each other to just sell your very badly written articles, because there is a choice in doing that, but not a need.
there is no public that ask for that, and by loosely fitting case after case together with another, you also loose out on the attention all these children need. even when the chance is very slim, they are still alive, and long lost the looks they once had, knowing they are still missing can become part of an answer. the names and cases all have a need to stay in our memories, to talked about. the public often have no other way to show they care about these missing children, and from that communal care it can make people remember little things. it can help changing minds.
and it is not only the victims. they do leave always people behind, who also have a need to a answer.
by connection cases to just one other, you are telling them also their missing ones are to been seen as less important, they do not deserve the attention on their own. and they do not deserve that too at all.
and it could very easily be done, by just give a list of the missing children at the end, if it all must be in one write up. just give that standard advice with the phone number of interpol or contact your local police office if you can shine any light on them.
by showing of time after time, it only show the public, you have character flaws in your contribution, by showing you use one as the cash cow to just put an piece under your name. and that you are just a coward, if you bravely keep following the wishes of your superiors too. missing children need attention to get them found, or to serve them justice, they are not free for all money making devices, you can use without shame.
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Talking of which, another piece presented by the Mail in the name of Jon
Clarke..
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner will see 46 witnesses speak during his trial over 'multiple rapes and child sex offences'
Some 46 witnesses – including half a dozen former girlfriends – were summoned
Three women will take to the stand including his first lover, on April 10
By Jon Clarke
Published: 00:52, 10 December 2023 | Updated: 00:54, 10 December 2023
Six ex-lovers are to give evidence against Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner, who is facing a rape trial.
The German sex offender is accused of a trio of rapes, which he allegedly filmed, and two further child sex offences.
A total of 46 witnesses – including half a dozen former girlfriends – have been summoned for the trial at Braunschweig Criminal Court between February 16 and June 27, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
According to the schedule, which is spread over 29 days, three women will take to the stand including his first lover, Silke Becker, on April 10.
Brueckner fled Germany to live in Portugal with Ms Becker in the mid nineties, and in doing so failed to complete a prison sentence for child sex crimes.
Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: 'While the focus right now is on the trial in February, I am still heavily involved in the Madeleine case.
'There is no major new evidence to report, but things are moving forwards.'
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Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner will see 46 witnesses speak during his trial over 'multiple rapes and child sex offences'
Some 46 witnesses – including half a dozen former girlfriends – were summoned
Three women will take to the stand including his first lover, on April 10
By Jon Clarke
Published: 00:52, 10 December 2023 | Updated: 00:54, 10 December 2023
Six ex-lovers are to give evidence against Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner, who is facing a rape trial.
The German sex offender is accused of a trio of rapes, which he allegedly filmed, and two further child sex offences.
A total of 46 witnesses – including half a dozen former girlfriends – have been summoned for the trial at Braunschweig Criminal Court between February 16 and June 27, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
According to the schedule, which is spread over 29 days, three women will take to the stand including his first lover, Silke Becker, on April 10.
Brueckner fled Germany to live in Portugal with Ms Becker in the mid nineties, and in doing so failed to complete a prison sentence for child sex crimes.
Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: 'While the focus right now is on the trial in February, I am still heavily involved in the Madeleine case.
'There is no major new evidence to report, but things are moving forwards.'
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Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: 'While the focus right now is on the trial in February, I am still heavily involved in the Madeleine case.
'There is no major new evidence to report, but things are moving forwards.'
No major new evidence but things are moving forward
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A reminder of Gonçalo Amaral's insightful observations on the Complete Mystery of Christian Brueckner..
An oldie but goodie, worth another airing. This brief mention follows an interview with Sr Amaral for Jorno do Centro in June 2020..
“What kidnap?” Maddie detective gives interview as mainstream warns “investigation could be dropped if missing evidence isn’t found”
By Natasha Donn - 26th June 2020
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Gonçalo Amaral, the detective whose theory on what happened to Madeleine McCann sparked a massive court battle with the missing child’s parents, has finally spoken about the media ‘circus’ involving latest suspect Christian Brueckner.
Almost the minute he did so, Rogério Alves – the Portuguese lawyer representing Kate and Gerry McCann – dismissed his input as ‘fantasy’.
Shortly afterwards reports started churning out the suggestion that ‘the whole investigation could be dropped unless missing evidence isn’t found”.
Said the Sun in another of its ‘exclusives’ on the case: “NO CHARGE Madeleine McCann suspect may NOT be charged admit German prosecutors despite ‘concrete evidence”.
Within the text, the concrete evidence is explained as (little more than) German police being “convinced” of Brueckner’s guilt.
As Amaral has said since the ‘early days’ when he was removed from the investigation for his inconvenient approach, it really is time for a serious probe.
Anyone who has followed this mystery through the ups and down of the last 13 years will recall that many others have called for a serious investigation – from former Metropolitan Police chief Colin Sutton, to the group of ‘armchair detectives’ often dismissed as conspiracy theorists (click here).
[https://www.portugalresident.com/maddie-disappearance-pretty-much-solved-say-sleuths-pushing-for-new-remit/]
Amaral gave his interview to ‘local’ newspaper ‘Jornal do Centro’, following a TV slot last weekend where he suggested German investigators actually ‘released’ questionable images when they trailed their quest for ‘the smoking gun’ that would nail Brueckner to “the deed” (click here).
[https://www.portugalresident.com/major-breakthrough-as-new-suspect-identified-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/]
The Portuguese-registered camper van that Brueckner drove when living in the Algarve back in the early 2000s was not white and yellow, as police images have shown, said Amaral. It was covered in childish graffiti.
The stills of the very different-looking camper were shown to news anchor José Alberto Carvalho and beamed to the television audience.
“Is it that the German authorities came to the conclusion that in 2007 the vehicle was painted white? Who told them that?” Quizzed Amaral.
“Could it be that German or British authorities – because I don’t know who did this, it certainly didn’t come from Portugal – could it be that they released this to try and check information? See if anyone called up to say, ‘I saw that vehicle’ when of course they couldn’t have because the van looked different then..?”
Amaral also questioned the images of Brueckner splashed across the world’s press. They were relatively recent. None showed him as he had been in 2007, and “people change”, said the former detective who has himself changed radically over 13 complicated years.
The bottom line of Amaral’s discourse remains that Brueckner has been chosen as an ‘almost perfect suspect’.
“As the parents said it was a pedophile from the start, a pedophile has had to be found”, he told Carvalho – adding that the only detail that would make Bruecker ‘more perfect’ as a suspect would be “if he was dead”.
Little has been said in the British press about Amaral’s latest comments.
Nothing has been reported on his insistence that the kidnap theory is “the one where the least evidence actually exists”.
Focus in the mainstream now is that despite the media brouhaha, charges may never be brought against Christian Brueckner – for the simple reason that nothing but circumstantial evidence links him to the disappearance from Praia da Luz 13 years ago of Madeleine McCann.
Brueckner’s lawyers meantime are pushing for their client’s release from jail where he has already served ⅔ of a drug sentence.
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An oldie but goodie, worth another airing. This brief mention follows an interview with Sr Amaral for Jorno do Centro in June 2020..
“What kidnap?” Maddie detective gives interview as mainstream warns “investigation could be dropped if missing evidence isn’t found”
By Natasha Donn - 26th June 2020
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Gonçalo Amaral, the detective whose theory on what happened to Madeleine McCann sparked a massive court battle with the missing child’s parents, has finally spoken about the media ‘circus’ involving latest suspect Christian Brueckner.
Almost the minute he did so, Rogério Alves – the Portuguese lawyer representing Kate and Gerry McCann – dismissed his input as ‘fantasy’.
Shortly afterwards reports started churning out the suggestion that ‘the whole investigation could be dropped unless missing evidence isn’t found”.
Said the Sun in another of its ‘exclusives’ on the case: “NO CHARGE Madeleine McCann suspect may NOT be charged admit German prosecutors despite ‘concrete evidence”.
Within the text, the concrete evidence is explained as (little more than) German police being “convinced” of Brueckner’s guilt.
As Amaral has said since the ‘early days’ when he was removed from the investigation for his inconvenient approach, it really is time for a serious probe.
Anyone who has followed this mystery through the ups and down of the last 13 years will recall that many others have called for a serious investigation – from former Metropolitan Police chief Colin Sutton, to the group of ‘armchair detectives’ often dismissed as conspiracy theorists (click here).
[https://www.portugalresident.com/maddie-disappearance-pretty-much-solved-say-sleuths-pushing-for-new-remit/]
Amaral gave his interview to ‘local’ newspaper ‘Jornal do Centro’, following a TV slot last weekend where he suggested German investigators actually ‘released’ questionable images when they trailed their quest for ‘the smoking gun’ that would nail Brueckner to “the deed” (click here).
[https://www.portugalresident.com/major-breakthrough-as-new-suspect-identified-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/]
The Portuguese-registered camper van that Brueckner drove when living in the Algarve back in the early 2000s was not white and yellow, as police images have shown, said Amaral. It was covered in childish graffiti.
The stills of the very different-looking camper were shown to news anchor José Alberto Carvalho and beamed to the television audience.
“Is it that the German authorities came to the conclusion that in 2007 the vehicle was painted white? Who told them that?” Quizzed Amaral.
“Could it be that German or British authorities – because I don’t know who did this, it certainly didn’t come from Portugal – could it be that they released this to try and check information? See if anyone called up to say, ‘I saw that vehicle’ when of course they couldn’t have because the van looked different then..?”
Amaral also questioned the images of Brueckner splashed across the world’s press. They were relatively recent. None showed him as he had been in 2007, and “people change”, said the former detective who has himself changed radically over 13 complicated years.
The bottom line of Amaral’s discourse remains that Brueckner has been chosen as an ‘almost perfect suspect’.
“As the parents said it was a pedophile from the start, a pedophile has had to be found”, he told Carvalho – adding that the only detail that would make Bruecker ‘more perfect’ as a suspect would be “if he was dead”.
Little has been said in the British press about Amaral’s latest comments.
Nothing has been reported on his insistence that the kidnap theory is “the one where the least evidence actually exists”.
Focus in the mainstream now is that despite the media brouhaha, charges may never be brought against Christian Brueckner – for the simple reason that nothing but circumstantial evidence links him to the disappearance from Praia da Luz 13 years ago of Madeleine McCann.
Brueckner’s lawyers meantime are pushing for their client’s release from jail where he has already served ⅔ of a drug sentence.
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EXCLUSIVE : Army of witnesses to testify against Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner : All you know need to know just weeks ahead of sex crimes trial
By Jon Clarke
December 11, 2023
AN army of witnesses are queueing up to put Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner behind bars for life.
The German sex offender is facing a permanent life sentence if found guilty of a trio of rapes, which he allegedly filmed, as well as two further child sex offences.
A total of 46 witnesses and police – including up to half a dozen girlfriends – have been summoned for the trial at Braunschweig Criminal Court between February 16 and June 27, the Olive Press can reveal.
This includes a number who have never spoken – or even been identified – before.
“All the dates are now in the diary,” prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters explained. “We hope to get all the charges read out on the first morning, a half day, on February 16, and then the trial continues the following week.”
According to the schedule, spread over 29 days, three women will take to the stand, including his first lover, Silke Becker, on April 10.
Brueckner had fled Germany to live in Portugal with Becker, in the mid 1990s, in the process failing to complete a prison sentence for child sex crimes.
Other girlfriends include Marina Flache, a travel agent, who had allegedly helped clear incriminating evidence from his rented home in Praia da Luz, on the Algarve, when he had been sent to prison there in April 2006.
Flache and another former friend of Brueckner’s Christian Post – who lives in Cambodia, but must fly back by court order – have both testified before against the convicted paedophile.
They helped cage him for seven years over the sadistic filmed rape of an American pensioner Diana Menkes, 72, in Praia da Luz in 2005.
He is currently still serving this sentence at Oldenburg prison.
Another ex-girlfriend Anja K will take to the stand on February 23, while two Finnish women will appear on May 8. The Olive Press has chosen not to reveal their names.
Other witnesses ordered to appear are former Praia da Luz housemate Michael ‘Micha’ Tatschl, who he also spent eight months in prison with.
FIGHTING BACK: Rape victim Hazel Behan happy to see Brueckner in court. copyright Olive Press Spain
The Austrian is expected to tell the panel of five judges about Brueckner’s fixation with the dark web and how he talked of snatching children and ‘selling them’ in Morocco.
He told the Olive Press in 2020 how Brueckner was a ‘sick person’ who he is ‘convinced’ also snatched toddler Madeleine from her bed in 2007.
Another key witness, Helge Busching, is set to give evidence on April 3.
The German, 52, claims to have found two rape videos Brueckner made, one in which he actually identified himself after taking off his mask.
Two further witnesses, Manfred Seyferth and Mario Schonberg, also allegedly saw the videos, believed to have been filmed at Brueckner’s home in Praia da Luz.
One featured a teenager, between the ages of 15 and 17, and another an older woman in her late 50s or early 60s. Both were tied up and beaten.
It is not known if they have yet been identified, or if German police have the videos in their possession.
Busching also claims Brueckner later confessed to his involvement in the snatch of toddler Madeleine, in May 2007, while the pair were at the Dragon music festival together in Spain the following year.
Brueckner told him she ‘didn’t scream’ as she was carried out of Apartment 5a of the Ocean Club.
Incredibly, when Busching went to both the Portuguese and British police about the confession that year his claims were totally IGNORED by both.
In total, five Portuguese police will also be taking the stand at the trial next year.
Appearing over two days in May, they will be followed by four detectives from the crack German BKA police, based out of Wiesbaden.
No British police have so far been summoned.
The charges levelled at Brueckner include the exposure to four children in a play park on the Algarve in 2017, as well as the groping of a 10-year-old girl on a beach near Praia da Luz a month before Maddie went missing.
The most serious offence is the sadistic rape of the then 20-year-old Irish holiday rep, Hazel Behan, in 2004, which Brueckner allegedly filmed during a horrific four-hour attack.
After the assault in Portimao, near Praia da Luz, he is understood to have taken a number of items, including money.
A leading forensic psychiatrist will be in court every day to monitor Brueckner’s behaviour.
Dr Christian Riedemann is the chief physician of the Lower Saxony correctional centre.
Due to the severity of the attack on Behan, under section 66 of the German criminal code, the panel of judges will have the option of sentencing Brueckner to an ‘incapacitation order’, or effectively a permanent life sentence.
While the legal process against Brueckner ticks ever closer, the German prosecutor is keen to stress the investigation into his alleged abduction of Maddie is still ‘very much ongoing’.
“While the focus right now is on the trial in February I am still heavily involved in the Madeleine case,” said Wolters, who has recently been promoted to running a team investigating organised crime.
“There is no major new evidence to report, but things are moving forwards,” he added.
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EXCLUSIVE : Army of witnesses to testify against Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner : All you know need to know just weeks ahead of sex crimes trial
By Jon Clarke
December 11, 2023
AN army of witnesses are queueing up to put Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner behind bars for life.
The German sex offender is facing a permanent life sentence if found guilty of a trio of rapes, which he allegedly filmed, as well as two further child sex offences.
A total of 46 witnesses and police – including up to half a dozen girlfriends – have been summoned for the trial at Braunschweig Criminal Court between February 16 and June 27, the Olive Press can reveal.
This includes a number who have never spoken – or even been identified – before.
“All the dates are now in the diary,” prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters explained. “We hope to get all the charges read out on the first morning, a half day, on February 16, and then the trial continues the following week.”
According to the schedule, spread over 29 days, three women will take to the stand, including his first lover, Silke Becker, on April 10.
Brueckner had fled Germany to live in Portugal with Becker, in the mid 1990s, in the process failing to complete a prison sentence for child sex crimes.
Other girlfriends include Marina Flache, a travel agent, who had allegedly helped clear incriminating evidence from his rented home in Praia da Luz, on the Algarve, when he had been sent to prison there in April 2006.
Flache and another former friend of Brueckner’s Christian Post – who lives in Cambodia, but must fly back by court order – have both testified before against the convicted paedophile.
They helped cage him for seven years over the sadistic filmed rape of an American pensioner Diana Menkes, 72, in Praia da Luz in 2005.
He is currently still serving this sentence at Oldenburg prison.
Another ex-girlfriend Anja K will take to the stand on February 23, while two Finnish women will appear on May 8. The Olive Press has chosen not to reveal their names.
Other witnesses ordered to appear are former Praia da Luz housemate Michael ‘Micha’ Tatschl, who he also spent eight months in prison with.
FIGHTING BACK: Rape victim Hazel Behan happy to see Brueckner in court. copyright Olive Press Spain
The Austrian is expected to tell the panel of five judges about Brueckner’s fixation with the dark web and how he talked of snatching children and ‘selling them’ in Morocco.
He told the Olive Press in 2020 how Brueckner was a ‘sick person’ who he is ‘convinced’ also snatched toddler Madeleine from her bed in 2007.
Another key witness, Helge Busching, is set to give evidence on April 3.
The German, 52, claims to have found two rape videos Brueckner made, one in which he actually identified himself after taking off his mask.
Two further witnesses, Manfred Seyferth and Mario Schonberg, also allegedly saw the videos, believed to have been filmed at Brueckner’s home in Praia da Luz.
One featured a teenager, between the ages of 15 and 17, and another an older woman in her late 50s or early 60s. Both were tied up and beaten.
It is not known if they have yet been identified, or if German police have the videos in their possession.
Busching also claims Brueckner later confessed to his involvement in the snatch of toddler Madeleine, in May 2007, while the pair were at the Dragon music festival together in Spain the following year.
Brueckner told him she ‘didn’t scream’ as she was carried out of Apartment 5a of the Ocean Club.
Incredibly, when Busching went to both the Portuguese and British police about the confession that year his claims were totally IGNORED by both.
In total, five Portuguese police will also be taking the stand at the trial next year.
Appearing over two days in May, they will be followed by four detectives from the crack German BKA police, based out of Wiesbaden.
No British police have so far been summoned.
The charges levelled at Brueckner include the exposure to four children in a play park on the Algarve in 2017, as well as the groping of a 10-year-old girl on a beach near Praia da Luz a month before Maddie went missing.
The most serious offence is the sadistic rape of the then 20-year-old Irish holiday rep, Hazel Behan, in 2004, which Brueckner allegedly filmed during a horrific four-hour attack.
After the assault in Portimao, near Praia da Luz, he is understood to have taken a number of items, including money.
A leading forensic psychiatrist will be in court every day to monitor Brueckner’s behaviour.
Dr Christian Riedemann is the chief physician of the Lower Saxony correctional centre.
Due to the severity of the attack on Behan, under section 66 of the German criminal code, the panel of judges will have the option of sentencing Brueckner to an ‘incapacitation order’, or effectively a permanent life sentence.
While the legal process against Brueckner ticks ever closer, the German prosecutor is keen to stress the investigation into his alleged abduction of Maddie is still ‘very much ongoing’.
“While the focus right now is on the trial in February I am still heavily involved in the Madeleine case,” said Wolters, who has recently been promoted to running a team investigating organised crime.
“There is no major new evidence to report, but things are moving forwards,” he added.
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All said and done, the German authorities don't appear to have moved forward beyond a phone ping said to be connected with a Brueckner phone (?) - they know, the word of a couple of known felons and a heck of an overload of gossip.
This was published by The Telegraph at the end of June 2023..
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It begs the question, why would this errant informer contact Scotland Yard in 2008? The Metropolitan Police didn't get involved with the case until May (that month again) 2011 - three years later and that was only a case review, so say they. Their individual investigation didn't commence until May 2013.
My main point is to illustrate how little stories grow legs over time. In this case we start with a blank canvas, then came rumours of Portuguese/British/German awareness sometime between May 2007 and 2020 - take your pick! A casual conversation about a missing child .... 'she didn't scream', allegedly. So how do you interpret those three words - a question; a statement of fact; a passing comment; an observation; a downright lie?
Yet the press report states .... 'she didn't scream during abduction' !?!
I've seen so many of these exaggerations, lies and deliberate deceptions over the years across mainstream and social media. Makes you wonder why we bother.
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It begs the question, why would this errant informer contact Scotland Yard in 2008? The Metropolitan Police didn't get involved with the case until May (that month again) 2011 - three years later and that was only a case review, so say they. Their individual investigation didn't commence until May 2013.
My main point is to illustrate how little stories grow legs over time. In this case we start with a blank canvas, then came rumours of Portuguese/British/German awareness sometime between May 2007 and 2020 - take your pick! A casual conversation about a missing child .... 'she didn't scream', allegedly. So how do you interpret those three words - a question; a statement of fact; a passing comment; an observation; a downright lie?
Yet the press report states .... 'she didn't scream during abduction' !?!
I've seen so many of these exaggerations, lies and deliberate deceptions over the years across mainstream and social media. Makes you wonder why we bother.
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why bother, well in this way you can just pick and choose any person from the public, and talk, because there is never been anything said that would by professional investigation officers understood as; okay that could be a lead to follow up.
most in even these 5 cases is still nothing else as storytelling, and a prosecution officer that uses the media to do thing he is not allowed to himself. the same amount of pressure build up would just gets a follow up in the european courts.
and the sneaky way to talk strong language outside of the german border, not correcting it clearly he is there speaking as a private citizen, instead of a sworn german officer of the law.
the madeleine case if they want to use that to get him in for life, is telling enough, brought to their knowledge in 2017 by operation grange, and in 2020 brought in the public eye, still no charges of arrest, multiple times said there was enough evidence, that starts rattling on his professional instruction and protocol.
giving information about the case to the not german media, without hardly ever putting a message to the german public about that same information, is shady enough. even more when thew defense team officially have no knowledge about such turned over case information, the same goes for the now going to court cases.
officially cb and his defense team knows still nothing about the madeleine case under german law, they have to get what is said from the media, and there is never a real confirmation anything sloppy reporters put out is true information.
the handling of this all is not subsidiair, appropriate or even to understand as done with integrity to the law.
at least half of the witnesses from the prosecution have made multiple media appearances, it would be hard to know how much the pr train of these media already have worked on the stories they have told, and if what they as a result will tell in court next year.
and i know this case has grown during the years the reputation to keep lawful practices out of it, it played havoc in portugal, the uk and now in germany.
people as cb are the kind i think society can do without, but still it must be as a result of using the law with respect. this is still a new form of a juridical soap opera. and for me it is not about cb, it is about why the law is there and in this way , you risk it becomes harmful to people who are innocent. it is also very unrespectful to the victims in these cases.
the victims are made into clickbait to sell adverts, because that is the task of all these endless pieces of crappy written stuff in all media. and a nice little earner for the freelance operators too.
and the gimmick is, if you have the evidence, you do not have to play pin it up the donkey's ass at all, because the law is made to work out, if you have the goods to show the culprit is guilty. it is made for that.
there is no pre trial by media needed at all.
the same with the show off in the 5 cases, that can end up in court. there never was a sound reason to wait at all, until it was a list of 5. none are new cases, all could already have had their time in court.
and it can take years before there are answers and a final verdict, using an bit of german law, to being able to do these cases in germany under german law is of course not the golden standard. the definitions on points of law will be taken from the german law, where in the country it all took place not even the same points of law could ever been used.
i can understand it fully, if the like to see this guy in court for life. only that this is not already happening is up to the german law and who worked it well before. i mean why have a man who has already 3 convictions for sexual abuse of young children, all 3 complete german cases, still have been able to walk in freedom.
and i am so hard, i think once is enough for my standard. there is even a fourth that escapes still justice, that with the material found at neuwegersleben.
so to all the children who are part of theses cases, you are telling in public, no, that was not enough, we could not hold him. but turn out full circus with cases from a complete other territory. 4 strikes already and you can keep a finger out about a monster, but if it is a monster, it is at least one made and assisted by german law.
it was that system that let him go, not once, not twice, but 3 times. in two of them portugal brought him in again, the other was handled by the italians.
and now we are gifted the full hollywood experience, and it does not even matter that germany not just pick some members of the public to decide over the cases, we get a jury of 5 judges, 3 true full judges and two magistrates. and we have just to think you can not influence them. rubbish of course, you can not unknow what is already fed to your brain.
it is still unsure what the outcome will be from the complaint about the main witness in the current conviction and at least 2 other new cases. helge b. already has testified a story very equal in the case of the current conviction, and the defense team could show the letter about the retraction of a part of that witness statement.
and do not be fooled, helge b. brought cb in the madeleine case too. it is a very basic fact in the case, you can hardly go to court, yeah, your honer, we had a witness, but he is convicted for telling porkies in part of his testimony, but you can believe him now.
so that 16 februari is not set in stone. if there is more time needed to clear up helge b. his adventure it still can mean this case list of 5 will start much later on. also because a lying crown witness can make reopening the trial of the current conviction more likely. i mean if the prosecution officer already have been citated as that manfred s. is lesser believable as a witness, and his appearances in the net flix productions, would mean there keeps very little to call that case solved, because the one and only hair has also a bit of a story.
it would play havoc in the case of 2004 with the irish holiday rep too.
and if the defense can fight that lonely hair, and if not succeeded it even will have direct effect on a later madeleine case, because the defense will just take the words of the prosecution's expert witness on the stand from the 2005 case, to prove madeleine died in 5a and was transported in a much later hired car.
most in even these 5 cases is still nothing else as storytelling, and a prosecution officer that uses the media to do thing he is not allowed to himself. the same amount of pressure build up would just gets a follow up in the european courts.
and the sneaky way to talk strong language outside of the german border, not correcting it clearly he is there speaking as a private citizen, instead of a sworn german officer of the law.
the madeleine case if they want to use that to get him in for life, is telling enough, brought to their knowledge in 2017 by operation grange, and in 2020 brought in the public eye, still no charges of arrest, multiple times said there was enough evidence, that starts rattling on his professional instruction and protocol.
giving information about the case to the not german media, without hardly ever putting a message to the german public about that same information, is shady enough. even more when thew defense team officially have no knowledge about such turned over case information, the same goes for the now going to court cases.
officially cb and his defense team knows still nothing about the madeleine case under german law, they have to get what is said from the media, and there is never a real confirmation anything sloppy reporters put out is true information.
the handling of this all is not subsidiair, appropriate or even to understand as done with integrity to the law.
at least half of the witnesses from the prosecution have made multiple media appearances, it would be hard to know how much the pr train of these media already have worked on the stories they have told, and if what they as a result will tell in court next year.
and i know this case has grown during the years the reputation to keep lawful practices out of it, it played havoc in portugal, the uk and now in germany.
people as cb are the kind i think society can do without, but still it must be as a result of using the law with respect. this is still a new form of a juridical soap opera. and for me it is not about cb, it is about why the law is there and in this way , you risk it becomes harmful to people who are innocent. it is also very unrespectful to the victims in these cases.
the victims are made into clickbait to sell adverts, because that is the task of all these endless pieces of crappy written stuff in all media. and a nice little earner for the freelance operators too.
and the gimmick is, if you have the evidence, you do not have to play pin it up the donkey's ass at all, because the law is made to work out, if you have the goods to show the culprit is guilty. it is made for that.
there is no pre trial by media needed at all.
the same with the show off in the 5 cases, that can end up in court. there never was a sound reason to wait at all, until it was a list of 5. none are new cases, all could already have had their time in court.
and it can take years before there are answers and a final verdict, using an bit of german law, to being able to do these cases in germany under german law is of course not the golden standard. the definitions on points of law will be taken from the german law, where in the country it all took place not even the same points of law could ever been used.
i can understand it fully, if the like to see this guy in court for life. only that this is not already happening is up to the german law and who worked it well before. i mean why have a man who has already 3 convictions for sexual abuse of young children, all 3 complete german cases, still have been able to walk in freedom.
and i am so hard, i think once is enough for my standard. there is even a fourth that escapes still justice, that with the material found at neuwegersleben.
so to all the children who are part of theses cases, you are telling in public, no, that was not enough, we could not hold him. but turn out full circus with cases from a complete other territory. 4 strikes already and you can keep a finger out about a monster, but if it is a monster, it is at least one made and assisted by german law.
it was that system that let him go, not once, not twice, but 3 times. in two of them portugal brought him in again, the other was handled by the italians.
and now we are gifted the full hollywood experience, and it does not even matter that germany not just pick some members of the public to decide over the cases, we get a jury of 5 judges, 3 true full judges and two magistrates. and we have just to think you can not influence them. rubbish of course, you can not unknow what is already fed to your brain.
it is still unsure what the outcome will be from the complaint about the main witness in the current conviction and at least 2 other new cases. helge b. already has testified a story very equal in the case of the current conviction, and the defense team could show the letter about the retraction of a part of that witness statement.
and do not be fooled, helge b. brought cb in the madeleine case too. it is a very basic fact in the case, you can hardly go to court, yeah, your honer, we had a witness, but he is convicted for telling porkies in part of his testimony, but you can believe him now.
so that 16 februari is not set in stone. if there is more time needed to clear up helge b. his adventure it still can mean this case list of 5 will start much later on. also because a lying crown witness can make reopening the trial of the current conviction more likely. i mean if the prosecution officer already have been citated as that manfred s. is lesser believable as a witness, and his appearances in the net flix productions, would mean there keeps very little to call that case solved, because the one and only hair has also a bit of a story.
it would play havoc in the case of 2004 with the irish holiday rep too.
and if the defense can fight that lonely hair, and if not succeeded it even will have direct effect on a later madeleine case, because the defense will just take the words of the prosecution's expert witness on the stand from the 2005 case, to prove madeleine died in 5a and was transported in a much later hired car.
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The 'source' of all this wormwood remains shrouded in mystery, frankly I don't believe a word of it.
If a trial commences in February 2024 on any charge whatsoever, I will be the first to fall off the chair and will remain thus until hell freezes over - guaranteed.
Whatever the future brings, a charge against Christian Brueckner in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will never ever happen - guaranteed.
So why the window dressing, who really cares a kippers dick about Christian Brueckner?
I don't ....
If a trial commences in February 2024 on any charge whatsoever, I will be the first to fall off the chair and will remain thus until hell freezes over - guaranteed.
Whatever the future brings, a charge against Christian Brueckner in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will never ever happen - guaranteed.
So why the window dressing, who really cares a kippers dick about Christian Brueckner?
I don't ....
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Of course, no one should care about Christian Brückner
We should all just let anyone be Accused of Murder with no Evidence at all.
But then - who would be next?
We should all just let anyone be Accused of Murder with no Evidence at all.
But then - who would be next?
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Brueckner is a bad egg, no doubt about it, but to inform the public of all his wrong doing to get him involved in the Madeleine case is just wrong.
There is no way he will get a fair trail for any of the things they are going to put him in court for, let alone implicating him with snatching Madeleine.
There is no way he will get a fair trail for any of the things they are going to put him in court for, let alone implicating him with snatching Madeleine.
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Silentscope wrote:Of course, no one should care about Christian Brückner
We should all just let anyone be Accused of Murder with no Evidence at all.
But then - who would be next?
That is the Jon Clarke Olive Press method.
His book and news rag tell his own story of latching onto someone and pursuing them to try to prove they "did IT"
without of course EVER specifying what "IT" actually was.
So in turn he accused Robert Murat - libellously as it turned out - a German who was on holiday in Alcossebres, a family
in a village in Spain who managed to get the Spanish Press Federation to act . . .
[My complaint was deemed to be out of time because it ranged across several years of libels and falsehoods and abuse]
And then all the other 'suspects', who one by one are shown to have no involvements at all in any supposed "Abduction"
Hardly surprising since it is vanishingly unlikely and physically impossible that there was an Abduction in the first place.
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indeed, i do see the 5 cases to be used as blackmailing judges, it will up to them to use even two ridiculous cases, that only exist in the heads of two other as bad apples, without knowledge if it are crimes at all.
reflect to the i had the idea i was looking at a movie by start witness helge b.
the madeleine case is used to paint a monster, a monster that needs to be locked up forever, so that is why i do call it blackmailing, because it is up to the judges in the 5 cases their answer, because they do not have any evidence in the madeleine case that can survive the court.
so by abusing these 5 cases, it is the same as saying, put him away forever on these, but it is a monster.
the real problem is pretty common in europe law, to not being able to understand the effects of child abuse in all kinds and version. so the convictions are still far to low in numbers, and the convictions that reach a punishment do it with still very low sentences.
even sexual abuse of adult women are a scandal, sexual abuse with male victims are almost never made it even in a court.
and it is not unknown that people do it just again and again, and cb already have proven himself, to not be stopped after punishment. so there are 3 cases to his name, and even a number 4 that never has seen court time. so why is that not enough, but do you import cases from another country to get this person in jail or at least behind fences forever.
because it means you as the german justice system let loose your own monster, and by doing that other victims came to his list. there was a report this would be the kind that would not stop.
and to misuse a known other case to paint your monster, without showing any evidence i think we just are looking to the monster of law. this is not the way to work the law, it must always be the law that works, everyone who works the law is actually a absolute nobody. a book of law can handle little in itself, so it uses very restricted and precise given roles, and these roles have no names, no genders, no other identity than decided in the same books of law.
it is just one large fishing expedition, with the angler who has a book of rules to keep, but use every way and opportunity to bend them, or let them bend by others.
the media are just used as hookers by their john, they get some peanuts paid to survive, and journalism is already lost forever, it is just producing click bait to sell adverts. their other john.
and this is only seeing it from the hope this, to keep a criminal from society, is their reason to handle it as they did. because if i go into the much named just for career opportunities, i think some higher ranks would have taken this approach already taken down.
the german prosecutor could not take part in the same interviews in germany, nor could the german media use what is told their in the same manner within german teritory. every word out of hans christian wolters that made it out to the rest of the world are not spoken from his role of prosecution officer, but as der hans in its natural state.
you would not find der hans saying monster, or the murderer directly in the german media from his mouth, but portugal of australia he can just speak as der hans without restrictions to what and how he says things.
and by not give clearance about the title he is speaking from, it is sold to the public as hans christian wolters, the prosecution officer of braunschweig is saying it, but it is not, just a lie. within the german border all has to be taken from innocent until proven guilty in a german court of law.
the bka has not very clean hands in it to, they have not been the ones to do their job in finding evidence or witnesses, they sold that job mostly to the uk media. and men, they took the bait hook, line and sinker, did it with eager and pleasure. overdone it a bit too often even.
the media made a merry go round with picture through the majority of witnesses, in a way a officer of the law can not do.
and they could do it, because they have to restrict themselves of all journalistic approaches and tools if it about to be linked to the case of madeleine mccann in the uk to the abduction only.
training a witness is deadly for a officer of the law its career, but not in the land of media.
and it is not only about a fair trial, i do like it when people are convicted for what they have done wrong, but how this is all playing out, is just the largest contempt of court case ever seen in a german court, how could these judges and magistrates do their job. they too will become part of the circus and could hardly do what they have to do. normally when there is doubt about facts and evidence presented in court the favour goes to the defense, but for one half of the world that will be understood as letting a monster loose in society again.
so what is there to judge about. can they give their expert verdict, not only related to the person cb, but also in handling these cases from points of law. is there really a sound outcome possible?
for me a guy who has already 3 solid convictions in crimes of a sexual nature to young girls has lost the right to live in freedom in my opinion, only to give him the opportunity to just strike again.
but i think the victims in the other cases also need and have a right to know who did it to them, and if there is no role for cb in that, it just means they are just abused again here.
and it is because of who cb made himself, by his own choices and actions there off, that it is not easy to stand up to what is playing out before us. still i do care he gets convicted for his own deeds, not ones that score better by the public. two wrongs do not equal a right outcome.
reflect to the i had the idea i was looking at a movie by start witness helge b.
the madeleine case is used to paint a monster, a monster that needs to be locked up forever, so that is why i do call it blackmailing, because it is up to the judges in the 5 cases their answer, because they do not have any evidence in the madeleine case that can survive the court.
so by abusing these 5 cases, it is the same as saying, put him away forever on these, but it is a monster.
the real problem is pretty common in europe law, to not being able to understand the effects of child abuse in all kinds and version. so the convictions are still far to low in numbers, and the convictions that reach a punishment do it with still very low sentences.
even sexual abuse of adult women are a scandal, sexual abuse with male victims are almost never made it even in a court.
and it is not unknown that people do it just again and again, and cb already have proven himself, to not be stopped after punishment. so there are 3 cases to his name, and even a number 4 that never has seen court time. so why is that not enough, but do you import cases from another country to get this person in jail or at least behind fences forever.
because it means you as the german justice system let loose your own monster, and by doing that other victims came to his list. there was a report this would be the kind that would not stop.
and to misuse a known other case to paint your monster, without showing any evidence i think we just are looking to the monster of law. this is not the way to work the law, it must always be the law that works, everyone who works the law is actually a absolute nobody. a book of law can handle little in itself, so it uses very restricted and precise given roles, and these roles have no names, no genders, no other identity than decided in the same books of law.
it is just one large fishing expedition, with the angler who has a book of rules to keep, but use every way and opportunity to bend them, or let them bend by others.
the media are just used as hookers by their john, they get some peanuts paid to survive, and journalism is already lost forever, it is just producing click bait to sell adverts. their other john.
and this is only seeing it from the hope this, to keep a criminal from society, is their reason to handle it as they did. because if i go into the much named just for career opportunities, i think some higher ranks would have taken this approach already taken down.
the german prosecutor could not take part in the same interviews in germany, nor could the german media use what is told their in the same manner within german teritory. every word out of hans christian wolters that made it out to the rest of the world are not spoken from his role of prosecution officer, but as der hans in its natural state.
you would not find der hans saying monster, or the murderer directly in the german media from his mouth, but portugal of australia he can just speak as der hans without restrictions to what and how he says things.
and by not give clearance about the title he is speaking from, it is sold to the public as hans christian wolters, the prosecution officer of braunschweig is saying it, but it is not, just a lie. within the german border all has to be taken from innocent until proven guilty in a german court of law.
the bka has not very clean hands in it to, they have not been the ones to do their job in finding evidence or witnesses, they sold that job mostly to the uk media. and men, they took the bait hook, line and sinker, did it with eager and pleasure. overdone it a bit too often even.
the media made a merry go round with picture through the majority of witnesses, in a way a officer of the law can not do.
and they could do it, because they have to restrict themselves of all journalistic approaches and tools if it about to be linked to the case of madeleine mccann in the uk to the abduction only.
training a witness is deadly for a officer of the law its career, but not in the land of media.
and it is not only about a fair trial, i do like it when people are convicted for what they have done wrong, but how this is all playing out, is just the largest contempt of court case ever seen in a german court, how could these judges and magistrates do their job. they too will become part of the circus and could hardly do what they have to do. normally when there is doubt about facts and evidence presented in court the favour goes to the defense, but for one half of the world that will be understood as letting a monster loose in society again.
so what is there to judge about. can they give their expert verdict, not only related to the person cb, but also in handling these cases from points of law. is there really a sound outcome possible?
for me a guy who has already 3 solid convictions in crimes of a sexual nature to young girls has lost the right to live in freedom in my opinion, only to give him the opportunity to just strike again.
but i think the victims in the other cases also need and have a right to know who did it to them, and if there is no role for cb in that, it just means they are just abused again here.
and it is because of who cb made himself, by his own choices and actions there off, that it is not easy to stand up to what is playing out before us. still i do care he gets convicted for his own deeds, not ones that score better by the public. two wrongs do not equal a right outcome.
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Adding Madeleine to his list of crimes, despite having no evidence, because it's his sort of crime, will work with some people. There are thousands who believe the bilge which is reported about him. It's a crime in itself, setting up the wrong person , especially in this case. I cannot believe that this may go ahead.
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The case of missing Madeleine McCann has been a playground for journalistic immoral theatrics, not only Jon Clarke of the Olive Press - even the Express group had to cough-up a few thousand for spreading falsehoods about the case. It's not confined to British press and media, the fever spread across European borders into the lawless infinity of cyberspace.
CMOMM has been pretty near the knuckle on many occasions over the years, which is why it was always so important to moderate commentary and/or dispel speculation and falsehoods through discussion - although I have to say, none so blind as those who don't wish to see.
Yet here we are, three and a half years down the line, still chewing on Brueckner's bones.
If he, or anyone else for that matter, is being falsely accused of any crime it is for the law to investigate and the law alone. Meanwhile I await a glimpse of tangible evidence that Brueckner is in some way implicated in Madeleine McCann's disappearance. Whatever else his past can reveal is of no consequence.
I do however wonder why his name must be kept in focus across mainstream and social media - who benefits? I'm pretty certain it's not the McCanns.
CMOMM has been pretty near the knuckle on many occasions over the years, which is why it was always so important to moderate commentary and/or dispel speculation and falsehoods through discussion - although I have to say, none so blind as those who don't wish to see.
Yet here we are, three and a half years down the line, still chewing on Brueckner's bones.
If he, or anyone else for that matter, is being falsely accused of any crime it is for the law to investigate and the law alone. Meanwhile I await a glimpse of tangible evidence that Brueckner is in some way implicated in Madeleine McCann's disappearance. Whatever else his past can reveal is of no consequence.
I do however wonder why his name must be kept in focus across mainstream and social media - who benefits? I'm pretty certain it's not the McCanns.
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nah, they would have made the script much better, but on moments it does bring that clan into memory.
but i am still waiting for the justice department of silly talks.
but i am still waiting for the justice department of silly talks.
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the german police from the area inga gehricke is missing, had already been digging on the area the dogs have alerted this week.
the first german media had said nothing found, but that was not true, they did found around 2 hands full of small bones, no skull, they are send to the lab to see if there are any human, some are already said to be from an animal.
there is a article in german in bild, for who wants to translate and read;
https://www.bild.de/regional/sachsen-anhalt/sachsen-anhalt-news/vermisste-inga-es-gibt-eine-neue-spur-86431374.bild.html
i can not find easy the older forum about inga, and as this case gets mingled time after time to cb, even when the police there seen no role for him in it. and feeding cb in to it is mostly still the result of media and people who use the media as their religion.
i did not like the use of two hands full of bones, no skull comment in what still could be from a missing person, or any other human. that could have been better formulated.
as bild is known for, it already starts over the top, the title is;Bones found! Police dig for Inga's body.
i do not like such ways to report together with the child that is missing, and why the search effort was done. i know if it is part of your job, you can not use respect easy while doing that, but at least remember not all people have to know that in dept. so in communication to the public and because there is a chance it is part of a missing child case that still has family and loved ones out there, at least try to be civil, it is not that hard.
i know people have a hard time to understand, to think even and talk about human remains after death. . only the ones that end up dead and are not handled in the ways we approve off, and that can differ in already much within european cultures, are usually somewhere. there is a large misunderstanding that it is hard to get rid of a body, or that they are easy to be found. both are not true. it depends on manner and most times just luck for an amateur and even pro.
it plays even quite a large deal braker in the case of madeleine mccann, and many other cases of missing children. first because of the many ways you can dispose of a body, it gets easy into heavy speculation, but on the other side the opposite, seeing it as a too much time consuming effort, a hard thing to do, that is is even used to not suspect all people around a missing child equal.
the reality tells a different story, people are pretty versatile and often very good in hiding human remains, we only find out the ones that do not care about the human remains, and the ones that made a mistake, or when someone stumble on the remains accidentally.
and i do not see why in this early stage of a new part of this investigation, there has to be told about what is found. what happened with 'no comment in this stage of our investigation'. ''we will publish a notice if we know what we are talking about, and when it is part of this case, or not'.
at least it is clear google adds does not reads the article, it gives even me a bit of the creeps to see a advert for our local indoor child adventure playground next to it.
the first german media had said nothing found, but that was not true, they did found around 2 hands full of small bones, no skull, they are send to the lab to see if there are any human, some are already said to be from an animal.
there is a article in german in bild, for who wants to translate and read;
https://www.bild.de/regional/sachsen-anhalt/sachsen-anhalt-news/vermisste-inga-es-gibt-eine-neue-spur-86431374.bild.html
i can not find easy the older forum about inga, and as this case gets mingled time after time to cb, even when the police there seen no role for him in it. and feeding cb in to it is mostly still the result of media and people who use the media as their religion.
i did not like the use of two hands full of bones, no skull comment in what still could be from a missing person, or any other human. that could have been better formulated.
as bild is known for, it already starts over the top, the title is;Bones found! Police dig for Inga's body.
i do not like such ways to report together with the child that is missing, and why the search effort was done. i know if it is part of your job, you can not use respect easy while doing that, but at least remember not all people have to know that in dept. so in communication to the public and because there is a chance it is part of a missing child case that still has family and loved ones out there, at least try to be civil, it is not that hard.
i know people have a hard time to understand, to think even and talk about human remains after death. . only the ones that end up dead and are not handled in the ways we approve off, and that can differ in already much within european cultures, are usually somewhere. there is a large misunderstanding that it is hard to get rid of a body, or that they are easy to be found. both are not true. it depends on manner and most times just luck for an amateur and even pro.
it plays even quite a large deal braker in the case of madeleine mccann, and many other cases of missing children. first because of the many ways you can dispose of a body, it gets easy into heavy speculation, but on the other side the opposite, seeing it as a too much time consuming effort, a hard thing to do, that is is even used to not suspect all people around a missing child equal.
the reality tells a different story, people are pretty versatile and often very good in hiding human remains, we only find out the ones that do not care about the human remains, and the ones that made a mistake, or when someone stumble on the remains accidentally.
and i do not see why in this early stage of a new part of this investigation, there has to be told about what is found. what happened with 'no comment in this stage of our investigation'. ''we will publish a notice if we know what we are talking about, and when it is part of this case, or not'.
at least it is clear google adds does not reads the article, it gives even me a bit of the creeps to see a advert for our local indoor child adventure playground next to it.
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Braunschweig - According to the Spanish newspaper "The Olive Press", the trial against the Maddie suspect will begin in February at the Braunschweig Regional Court.
Brückner's defence lawyer Dr. Friedrich Fülscher (39) confirmed to BILD that the court had requested dates from the defence. Fülscher: "However, I do not expect the trial to start before March due to other, higher-priority proceedings at the court and defense. Proceedings in which pre-trial detention is carried out must be dealt with before proceedings in which detention is carried out on a basis other than a pre-trial detention order."
The trial in the Maddie McCann case will begin "soon after", claims the "Olive Press".
Brückner's lawyer does not believe this: "This statement is absolute nonsense. I have still not seen the investigation file. It is completely absurd to assume that a trial in the matter will follow soon. It is still completely unclear whether there will ever be a trial. The public prosecutor's office will decide whether to charge or dismiss the case once the investigation has been completed and the right to be heard has been granted. We still seem a long way from that."
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Source:https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/maddie-verdaechtiger-soll-3-frauen-vergewaltigt-haben-naechster-prozess-gegen-br-85769714.bild.html
Brückner's defence lawyer Dr. Friedrich Fülscher (39) confirmed to BILD that the court had requested dates from the defence. Fülscher: "However, I do not expect the trial to start before March due to other, higher-priority proceedings at the court and defense. Proceedings in which pre-trial detention is carried out must be dealt with before proceedings in which detention is carried out on a basis other than a pre-trial detention order."
The trial in the Maddie McCann case will begin "soon after", claims the "Olive Press".
Brückner's lawyer does not believe this: "This statement is absolute nonsense. I have still not seen the investigation file. It is completely absurd to assume that a trial in the matter will follow soon. It is still completely unclear whether there will ever be a trial. The public prosecutor's office will decide whether to charge or dismiss the case once the investigation has been completed and the right to be heard has been granted. We still seem a long way from that."
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Source:https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/maddie-verdaechtiger-soll-3-frauen-vergewaltigt-haben-naechster-prozess-gegen-br-85769714.bild.html
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"The trial in the Maddie McCann case will begin "soon after", claims the "Olive Press".
Poor Jon.
We must all begin to feel a little bit sorry for him.
He has been printing that line for the past three years, and each time it has turned out not to be 'Quite' accurate.
But he persists.
Perhaps, like his book where he names suspect after suspect, hoping one of them will eventually be charged, he hopes one day to be able to say "I told you so" and will conveniently ignore all the other times he has clearly made things up.
Or perhaps it is a genuine delusion. He may actually believe his own propaganda
In which case we must feel doubly sorry for him.
Children grown up and gone, wife gone, luxury rental house closed . . . Sad.
Poor Jon.
We must all begin to feel a little bit sorry for him.
He has been printing that line for the past three years, and each time it has turned out not to be 'Quite' accurate.
But he persists.
Perhaps, like his book where he names suspect after suspect, hoping one of them will eventually be charged, he hopes one day to be able to say "I told you so" and will conveniently ignore all the other times he has clearly made things up.
Or perhaps it is a genuine delusion. He may actually believe his own propaganda
In which case we must feel doubly sorry for him.
Children grown up and gone, wife gone, luxury rental house closed . . . Sad.
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I had a very quick read elsewhere over the weekend, from the few comments I saw clearly they use The Olive Oyl Press as the font of all knowledge - just goes to show how detrimental some of these pseudo investigative journalists can be.
Have faith, still there is no apparent evidence to link the German man with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, no matter how hard they try to convince otherwise.
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Have faith, still there is no apparent evidence to link the German man with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, no matter how hard they try to convince otherwise.
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PeterMac wrote:Or perhaps it is a genuine delusion. He may actually believe his own propaganda
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It is not a lie if the BBC or British media publish it.
Or as long as it ‘Conforms’ to the chosen Narrative.
Obviously.
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Or as long as it ‘Conforms’ to the chosen Narrative.
Obviously.
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2 hours ago — ... Christian Brueckner, a convicted sex offender, kidnapped and murdered the youngster. Brueckner is in prison in Germany for the rape of a woman in Praia da ...
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Can someone please post this for me from the U.K.?
I would be interested to know how CB KIDNAPPED AND MURDERED the youngster.
Enquiring minds want to know.
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I would be interested to know how CB KIDNAPPED AND MURDERED the youngster.
Enquiring minds want to know.
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This is the only one I can find at the moment from the Mirmingham Mail.
There is a big gap, then more towards the bottom of the page about Brueckner.
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