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MYSTERY DEEPENS Madeleine McCann – German child killer is NOT the new Maddie suspect being probed by Portuguese cops, report claims

Yesterday, German paedophile Martin Ney, 48, was named as a possible suspect in the case - that theory that has now been contradicted

By Gerard Couzens and Kelly Pigram

6th May 2019, 8:45 am
Updated: 6th May 2019, 10:39 am

GERMAN child killer Martin Ney is NOT the new Madeleine McCann suspect Portuguese police are investigating, according to reports.

Portugese media revealed on Friday that police had a “new lead and a new suspect” in the McCann case - but they did not publish the name of the man investigators are looking at.

Many media outlets were convinced that 48-year-old convicted German paedophile Martin Ney was the new prime suspect.

But Correio da Manha reported today that the jailed German paedophile is not the new suspect at the centre of local cops' probe.

It stated: “A German paedophile, serving life for the murder of three children and the sexual abuse of dozens more youngsters, was named by the British press as a Madeleine McCann suspect.

“However this is not the new suspect that the Policia Judiciaria in Porto is investigating.”

Ney was jailed for life in 2012 for abducting and murdering three children, and sexually abusing dozens more.

Yesterday, the Mirror reported that a former resort worker said she saw Ney in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

He was staring "intently" at her and some female friends as they drank in a bar in Praia da Luz.

According to the source, who asked not to be named, Ney was there "for a fact".

They said: "I have a very good memory for faces.

"I remember him looking at us intently."

The worker, who reportedly worked at the Ocean Club resort where the McCann's were staying, said they recognised Ney after they saw a photograph of him in one of yesterday's newspapers.

They said they also saw him in a local supermarket, close to where the McCann's were staying.
WHO IS MARTIN NEY?

Goncalo Amaral, the Portuguese cop who first led the hunt for Madeleine, revealed last week that police were probing a “German paedophile who is in prison”.

Ney was working for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless in Portugal when Madeleine disappeared, it's claimed.

Ney also looks like a photofit of a man, who was seen acting suspiciously before Madeleine vanished from her Portuguese holiday apartment 12 years ago.

The youth worker dressed in black and donned masks and balaclavas while carrying out his attacks.

Ney was said to have been familiar with the Algarve after travelling widely in Portugal in the 1990s.

He was jailed for killing three German kids — Stefan Jahr, 13, in 1992, Dennis Rostel, eight, in 1995, and Dennis Klein, nine, in 2001.

He is also suspected of the murder of a child in Holland in 1998 and another in France in 2004.
'PREPARING THE END OF THE INVESTIGATION'

The timings raise the possibility Ney murdered a youngster every three years – 1992, 1995, 1998, 2001 and 2004, before Madeleine vanished in May 2007.

She disappeared days before her fourth birthday after parents Kate and Gerry left their children in their apartment in Praia da Luz.

Scotland Yard launched its Operation Grange investigation in 2013 and still has a team working on Madeleine’s disappearance.

Mr Amaral revealed on Australian TV that British cops were focusing on a jailed German.

He also claimed it had “one investigation line” – and was ignoring other possibilities.

Mr Amaral said: “Detectives are preparing the end of the investigation, with a German paedophile who is in prison right now.”

On Friday, Portuguese newspapers also reported that Metropolitan Police detectives had provided information about a foreign paedophile.

A recent Netflix documentary on the case focused on a suspect who targeted British holidaymakers’ apartments in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The man, who wore a surgical mask and had a foreign accent, preyed on children and replied “yes” when one girl woke up and asked if he was her daddy.

Scotland Yard is known to have been in contact with German detectives over Ney.

Well-placed sources also confirmed yesterday Ney’s internet chatroom history – using the name GerdX – had been probed.

In a chilling post from 2002 he wrote: “I bought a camouflage suit to jump out of the bushes in children’s playgrounds if a beautiful boy goes past.”

Ney’s known victims are boys, but clinical psychologists say gender is often unimportant to paedophiles. Private detectives working on behalf of the McCanns also previously looked into Ney, whose horrific crime spree is believed to have started in Germany in 1992.
CAGED FOR LIFE

He also started travelling around the same time after finishing teacher-training at the age of 21.

Police know he visited Ecuador in 1993, Peru in 1995 and Portugal the following year. He has also made repeated trips to Holland and Denmark. Ney was finally arrested in April 2011 after a massive police operation.

He confessed to the three German murders and sexually abusing 40 other children, and was jailed for life.

Ney, who told cops he murdered to cover up his abuse, has denied during police interviews involvement in any other child crimes.

But he has been suspected of murdering Nicky Verstappen, 11, who vanished from a holiday camp in Brunssum, Holland, in 1998.

Last year it was also reported Ney confessed to a cellmate to the 2004 killing of Jonathan Coulom, who was ­kidnapped from a camp in Saint- Brevin-les-Pins, western France.

British officers are now believed to be trying to establish if he was in the Algarve around the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.

He bears an uncanny resemblance to a photofit — which was made public in 2013 — of a suspect seen acting suspiciously in the area beforehand.

A source close to Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, said they had not been informed of any “significant developments”. But the source said Met Police officers could be investigating Ney without telling the couple.

They said: “There has been work done on him in the past and they could well be focusing on him.”

The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “We are simply not discussing operational details either in Great Britain or Portugal. That is a matter for the police.”

A Met Police spokesman said: “The investigation is ongoing and we are not providing a running commentary.”

Martin Ney targeted children in school dorms and holiday camps — while wearing a mask and dressed in black.

His first known murder victim, Stefan Jahr, 13, was taken at night from a boarding school in Scheebel, Germany, in 1992.

A string of boys on camping trips were also sexually abused by him, with victims describing him as the Masked Man.

In 1995, Ney snatched Dennis Rostel, eight, from a camp in Schleswig-Holstein, Germany. His body was found in Denmark.

Ney also killed Dennis Klein, nine, who vanished on a school trip to Lower Saxony, Germany, in 2001.

He was also convicted of sexually abusing at least 40 kids and is suspected of two other murders.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9011185/madeleine-mccann-resort-toddler-vanished/

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Post by PeterMac on 06.05.19 14:32

The clue is in the word BOY.
Secondary clues are 8, 9 , and 13

I know it is is not politically correct and inclusive and diverse and EGBDF or QWERTYUIOP or whatever is today's acronym
but that is how the real world works.
MOs are very specific.   It is possible to convict a person on "system".

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Post by Jill Havern on 06.05.19 15:07

Talking of acronym's Peter, have you started watching LOD/AC12/SOC/OCG/TFC/SFC with lots of H's/ED905s/UCOs and ARUs yet?
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Post by Verdi on 06.05.19 16:50

Gerard Couzens roaming again - this time it's the intelligent tabloid #makesyoufinkdunnit..

'Serial rapist' Joseph McCann suspected of 12 attacks on victims aged 11 to 71

ooops Sorry, wrong one!

Madeleine McCann: Child killer Martin Ney 'NOT a suspect in abduction'

Portuguese detectives have a new lead suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann almost 12 years ago


Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry said at the weekend when asked about Ney: “He fits the profile - he is a known predatory paedophile and he’s a foreigner.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-child-killer-martin-15003287

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There was talk during my time of abolishing TLA s

Three Letter Abbreviations ! !


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Post by sharonl on 06.05.19 18:43

thinking   "Many media outlets were convinced that 48-year-old convicted German paedophile Martin Ney was the new prime suspect".

Once again our journalists have failed to properly investigate a situation and have incorrectly reported based on pure speculation.

thinking   Interesting "Yesterday, the Mirror reported that a former resort worker said she saw Ney in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance".

Ney had been committing offences since 1992, including his first murder in March that year.  He was arrested in 2011.

Now, i am unsure of whether the police were hunting for him between 1992 and 2011 or whether he had not been identified during this time.  It seems that he was detected in April 2011 but I stand to be corrected here.

If Ney had not been identified until April 2011, how could the nameless OC worker possibly have identified him in April/May 2007?  Did the worker know Ney?

On the other hand, if there was a search for Ney and this is how the worker identified him, why on earth didn't the worker inform the police that there was murderer on the loose at the OC?

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Post by Jill Havern on 06.05.19 22:58

@Jill Havern wrote:Talking of acronym's Peter, have you started watching LOD/AC12/SOC/OCG/TFC/SFC with lots of H's/ED905s/UCOs and ARUs yet?
I don't know if anyone watches Line of Duty but I've found 'H's' grave and he was 43 years old when he died.

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@Jill Havern wrote:Talking of acronym's Peter, have you started watching LOD/AC12/SOC/OCG/TFC/SFC with lots of H's/ED905s/UCOs and ARUs yet?
I don't know if anyone watches Line of Duty but I've found 'H's' grave and he was 43 years old when he died.

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@sharonl wrote:thinking   "Many media outlets were convinced that 48-year-old convicted German paedophile Martin Ney was the new prime suspect".

Once again our journalists have failed to properly investigate a situation and have incorrectly reported based on pure speculation.

thinking   Interesting "Yesterday, the Mirror reported that a former resort worker said she saw Ney in the Algarve at the time of Madeleine's disappearance".

Ney had been committing offences since 1992, including his first murder in March that year.  He was arrested in 2011.

Now, i am unsure of whether the police were hunting for him between 1992 and 2011 or whether he had not been identified during this time.  It seems that he was detected in April 2011 but I stand to be corrected here.

If Ney had not been identified until April 2011, how could the nameless OC worker possibly have identified him in April/May 2007?  Did the worker know Ney?

On the other hand, if there was a search for Ney and this is how the worker identified him, why on earth didn't the worker inform the police that there was murderer on the loose at the OC?
If we believe what's reported from Portugal by Brunt that the PJ investigate two leads.
One would be a German(not Ney) and the second is "another theory,long way from Portugal and sensitive".
Last year we could read in PT media that they looked into an hit & run accident.
And there's two former OC workers who lives in the UK today.
They were a couple at the time and today married and they were together on the evening on May 3 and drove cars up and down the street outside block 5 but they gave different stories to the Police.
The man withheld several pieces of information of what he was doing and he cut down the time he had spent in the area and I would be surprised if the Police don't re-interview this couple.
And the man brought up from nowhere, in his statement there were break in's at the OC.
I'am thinking loud here:
If the Mirror has spoken to a former OC worker who claimed she saw Ney at the resort, I wonder if this is the British woman who travelled by car with her boyfriend that evening?

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 "another theory, long way from Portugal and sensitive".
Is there a link or reference for this remark ?

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This is the second time that the media have recycled the Martin Ney story.  That's three times now, it could be more.  It is possible that was ruled out years ago, perhaps in 2007.

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@PeterMac wrote:[size=48] "another theory, long way from Portugal and sensitive".[/size]
Is there a link or reference for this remark ?
1min 50sec in.

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Post by sharonl on 07.05.19 19:09

Looks like he is the chief suspect again, apparently seen by Carole Tramner, friend of Her Majesty (no, not Kate, the queen) well, actually she was a staff member at Windsor but for media purposes, she is friedd of the queen.

Tramners' statement doesn't stand up to scrutiny, for starters (i will locate this and edit with a link) In Tranmers rotatory interview, she has to correct the date of her visit which was recorded as at the end of May 2007, for McCann purposes, that changes to the end of April & beginning of May 2007. I would like to see the booking details for Tramners visit. Then we have this e-fit that she allegedly draws up. Is this how British police work, find a patsy and then get someone to draw up an e-fit that looks like him?

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Brunt's words are potentially interesting.
So far as I can make out they are 

"The suspected paedophile kidnapper is not the only focus of this investigation.
For 2 years detectives have also been pursuing a quite different theory.
One that centres on a suspect a long way from here, and the subject of a delicate operation.
One that police hope will be kept secret until it's concluded one way or another."


A QUITE DIFFERENT THEORY, does not mean just a different random paedophile.  Nor just a burglar who doesn't realise what he is supposed to do with 5 British Passports and a wallet, or a cleaner who got sacked the week before . . .
It can only mean a theory QUITE DIFFERENT from that one.  
QUITE is being used in this context to be synonymous with  Very, Substantially, Totally, Completely


Quite + non-gradable adjectives and adverbs

When we use quite with a non-gradable adjective or adverb (an extreme adjective or adverb has a maximum and/or minimum, for example right – wrong), it usually means ‘very’, ‘totally’ or ‘completely’:

Which implies - No Paedophile.  No Kidnapping. 
We are then told A suspect.   Just the one
and "a long way from here".    About 1,840 km. for example. ?
Of course it is entirely possible that Brunt knows about as much as Mitchell or Jon Clarke, and is simply making it up as he goes along.

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Post by Phoebe on 08.05.19 15:31

@PeterMac wrote:Brunt's words are potentially interesting.
So far as I can make out they are 

"The suspected paedophile kidnapper is not the only focus of this investigation.
For 2 years detectives have also been pursuing a quite different theory.
One that centres on a suspect a long way from here, and the subject of a delicate operation.
One that police hope will be kept secret until it's concluded one way or another."


A QUITE DIFFERENT THEORY, does not mean just a different random paedophile.  Nor just a burglar who doesn't realise what he is supposed to do with 5 British Passports and a wallet, or a cleaner who got sacked the week before . . .
It can only mean a theory QUITE DIFFERENT from that one.  
QUITE is being used in this context to be synonymous with  Very, Substantially, Totally, Completely


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When we use quite with a non-gradable adjective or adverb (an extreme adjective or adverb has a maximum and/or minimum, for example right – wrong), it usually means ‘very’, ‘totally’ or ‘completely’:





Which implies - No Paedophile.  No Kidnapping. 
We are then told A suspect.   Just the one
and "a long way from here".    About 1,840 km. for example. ?
Of course it is entirely possible that Brunt knows about as much as Mitchell or Jon Clarke, and is simply making it up as he goes along.
I'm relieved this statement has come to light as I was beginning to wonder if I was cracking up! Around 2 a.m. on May 5th (I think) I came across a very similar statement in the online version of a foreign newspaper. I THINK it was Expresso, and it had the same message as Brunt's statement - ie another suspect, in foreign country (not Portugal) and the investigation surrounding this was "delicate". I know it was a non English language paper as I had to use the translate function to read it. I was tired and felt it was too late to post about it and decided to leave it til the following day. When I went to look for it next day I couldn't find it anywhere and have been frantically going through my search history ever since with no luck! I had begun to fear I'd imagined it but it pricked my antenna as suspect I inferred the same as Peter has from it.
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Thanks to NickE for pasting the clip

I personally doubt whether Brunt is told anything much by anyone, except to be fed things in the most opaque manner,
so this may be his interpretation of not having been told anything at all, and having to say something to camera because Sky have sent him, all expenses paid, to PdL.  
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I wonder that The Suns hasn't picked up and run with this tidbit yet. Ah well, give it time -

CLOSING IN

[size=55]New Break in Maddie McCann Case Centers on Killer Pedophile[/size]
The Daily Beast confirms promising new leads 12 years after the British child went missing from holiday home.


Barbie Latza Nadeau


05.06.19 1:18 PM ET

The first lead is a more thorough investigation into German pedophile Martin Ney, who, Portuguese authorities have confirmed to The Daily Beast, told a prison inmate in Germany something only McCann’s kidnapper could know. Ney48, is serving a life sentence in a German prison for the murder of three prepubescent boys between 1992 and 2001. He is also under investigation for the suspected murder of two other children, whose bodies have never been found, and the sexual abuse of a dozen others. He resembles the photo composite released by Portuguese police based on witness accounts at the time McCann disappeared.

Ney’s lawyer would not confirm to the The Daily Beast whether he has been questioned in the McCann affair, but Clarence Mitchell, the McCann family spokesman, told The Daily Beast that police had, in fact, talked to him. “It might be him and he fits the profile, he is a known predatory pedophile,” he said. “There is a degree of credibility it is Ney, but we cannot speculate.”

Ney’s modus operandi in stealing the children was to don a black balaclava and sneak into their rooms while they slept when their parents had stepped out. He often sedated the children to remove them quietly, according to the court documents that led to his convictions. He was working at a homeless center run by an evangelical church in the same area where McCann disappeared while her parents ate at a tapas bar with friends a few hundred feet away from Maddie’s bedroom.

But Portuguese authorities say it is more likely a second suspect they are investigating—an alleged accomplice of Ney—will prove more useful.

After watching  the Netflix documentary The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann in March, a female worker who had long retired from the Praia Da Luz resort recognized a man—now a suspect—in the grainy footage. She said she had seen him with a man she is sure was Ney.

The woman, whose name is being kept private for her own safety while the investigation continues, had a run-in with the unnamed suspect, who she says she caught stealing from the Ocean Club resort. When she confronted the man, he threatened her, according to an investigator with the Policia Judiciaria in Portugal.

Now, police think the new suspect may have been working with Ney as part of a sex-trafficking ring that preyed on children in the area at the time. A number of resort employees have given evidence over the years that they recognized both Ney and someone who is now believed to be the second man in and around the resort.

The second man, who was still working in the area, has been brought in for questioning, according to a source with the Portuguese police. The Daily Beast confirmed the lead with two separate sources who are working with both the British and Portuguese authorities.


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