Do you believe something happened earlier than May 3rd ? If so, how did the McCanns manage to deceive everyone at the creche?
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Do you believe something happened earlier than May 3rd ? If so, how did the McCanns manage to deceive everyone at the creche?
by Jill Havern 20.04.19 10:12
by HiDeHo on 22.01.18
DO YOU BELIEVE SOMETHING HAPPENED TO MADDIE BEFORE 5.30PM MAY 3RD?
If so, that would mean that she did not attend the crèche during May 3rd or earlier.
Have you considered how this could be explained? Catriona, her nanny, claims Maddie was in the crèche during Thursday (and before). For the record, I DO NOT believe Catriona was lying.
Is the following scenario possible?
Suggesting that something happened to Maddie before Tuesday morning (when the major discrepancies/contradictions/lies started…likely to hide the truth) then Maddie would have only visited the crèche for a day or two.
What I feel is important to remember, is that the crèche did not follow the strict guidelines of a school, where children were expected to be present and accounted for during the full day.
Children were dropped off and picked up randomly and the register was likely used as a record of where to find the parents if needed as opposed to a record of their use of the crèche (which was free, so no need to establish cost) There were approximately 13 children that used the kids club (3 – 5 yrs old) and were divided into two groups. Lobsters and Sharks. However they all shared the same crèche room and although assigned to specific nannies, were likely interacting together.
We are told that there were several little blonde girls and I doubt for the first day or two the nannies were able to distinguish between them or notice if one or more of the young children were missing for the rest of the week.
Children arrived and left randomly, and were the records strictly kept where each nanny greeted the parents at the door as they arrived and signed the register, or was the register a requirement to locate the parents and was left‘on the side’ for them to responsibly sign in case the nanny needed to contact them?
Would the nannies scrutinize the register and take special note of who should be there at any specific time during the day? Likely not. Once children arrived and doors were closed, the nannies, at the beginning of the season when everything was new and lprobably not all in place, would likely be focused on keeping the children’s attention and dealing with minor issues between the children.
Catriona claims there were bracelets issued to each child and whether used or not, in a room of approximately 13 children, that were only going to be there for less than a week, and sometimes only a couple of hours, remembering their names would likely be secondary to keeping them occupied. There was no expectation for every child to be in attendance every day and so if one or more was missing, I can’t imagine it being of importance.
Is this the reason that, whether during the week or only Thursday, it may not have been apparent that Maddie was not there?
How could the McCanns have accomplished this deceit?
How could Catriona claim to have seen Maddie, even though she was not there?
Is it possible that this following scenario explains how the McCanns deceived everyone into believing Maddie was attending the crèche?
JaneTanners daughter was similar in appearance to Maddie. She was only 3 months younger and had similar hair colour.. Her shy personality was very different from what we have been told about Maddie but is it possible that Catriona was 'intimidated' by the knowledge, once Maddie disappeared, to learn that SHE had been looking after Maddie until that afternoon.
Did she SPECIFICALLY remember Maddie (by name) as being there or KNOWING (according to the McCanns) that she had been with Maddie that day maybe she was thinking she didn’t recall the name of the child that day (or before) but as far as she was told, Maddie WAS at the crèche and she could have second guessed herself and felt the child that had disappeared must have been the child that resembled who she later learned was Maddie.
If she couldn’t remember EXACTLY the child named Maddie was there that day, (or earlier) there is no way she could have jeopardized her job by claiming shedidn’t remember.
She had been TOLD Maddie was at the crèche that day and as the ‘abduction’happened from the apartment, the crèche was not involved. However there WAS a BBC Whisteblower program that had criticized a Mark Warner crèche in another location only three weeks prior. Admitting to not SPECIFICALLY remembering Maddie could jeopardize her credibility for the job
She presumed that Maddie was the child that may or may not have been called ‘Ella’. Is this the reason that Catriona and many of the other OC staff described ‘Maddie’ as being shy and had the personality of Ella?
It goes without question that, even though she may not have remembered Maddie specifically, (especially if Maddie was actually only there during the first couple of days) she would give her statements about the child she now believed must have been Maddie.
Once acknowledged Maddie was there she could never retract her statement. There was no turning back. Was this the reason she went through a depressing time a few weeks later (as described to a friend) when she inwardly realized the scope of the case?
This brings us to HOW could the McCanns achieve their deceit of Maddie attending the crèche?
After scrutinizing the crèche records, and guided by the discrepancies/contradictions starting on TUESDAY MORNING, so with the possibility that they were trying to hide something at this point, Monday MAY have been the day something happened.
MONDAY AFTERNOON - Oddly, Maddie was signed into the crèche at 3.15pm and signed out after 15 mins.
Approximately half an hour later, Ella was signed in at 4pm, but not signed out.
TUESDAY morning, Gerry and Russell walked to the crèche along with Jez Wilkins. Jez makes mention of Gerry telling him about the children being left alone and he responded by talking about children can go to evening crèche and carried home with a blanket.
Could this have been the first initial effort to suggest the children would be alone to facilitate an ‘abductor’ being the reason Maddie disappeared? Was it inspiration of bundleman?
Jez’ daughter was in the Sharks group but sharing the same room as Maddie’s group,the Lobsters and Russells daughter was also in the Lobster group.
At 12.30pm Gerry signed Maddie out but Russell did not sign the register. Was this because there was only ONE CHILD?
TUESDAY AFTERNOON Gerry signs ONE CHILD in at 2.30. Ella is signed in at the same time by CAT(Did Russell forget to sign or was there only ONE CHILD?)
At 5.30pm only Russell signs out ONE CHILD Maddie is not signed out (Blank) Is that because there was only ONE CHILD? Kate signed the twins out at 5.20pm They were at high tea together. Why did she not sign Maddie out at the same time? Was Maddie there?
On WEDNESDAY MORNING both Gerry and Russell sign in their child AT THE SAME TIME(could there have only been ONE CHILD?) but at lunchtime Russell signed out ONE CHILD and it was CAT who signed out Maddie at the same time. 12.30pm. Why and when did CAT sign Maddie out?
Kate and Russell both arrived at the same time on Wednesday afternoon. 5.30pm
THURSDAY is RIDDLED with discrepancies and one example is regarding picking up the McCann children for the crèche at lunchtime….
Kate and Fiona were SUPPOSEDLY at the rec area together.
Fiona claims they went together from the rec area to pick up the children(Maddie and Scarlet)
Kate claims she went back to the apartment to prepare lunch before going to the creche.
HOWEVER, Gerry claims HE went to the crèche to pick up Maddie and he specifically remembers taking the short cut
Kate signs the register at 12.25pm. Did Gerry REALLY pick up Maddie as he claims?
Keep in mind that Catriona said she did NOT REMEMBER who picked Maddie up at lunchtime
Along with this, neither of them are certain who picked up the TWINS and curiously the twins crèche records for THURSDAY morning are MISSING from the files.
Most of the above is from memory and along with the graphic is just an indication of why I feel it’s a POSSIBILTY so if any of the info is to be used elsewhere PLEASE confirm or contact me for a link.
As mentioned, for those that believe something happened to Maddie before 5.30pmon May 3rd there needs to be an explanation as to how it can be explained HOW Maddie was ‘missed’ in the crèche.
For those that believe something happened in the hour and half they were at the tapas on May 3rd, I would be interested to hear an explanation of how it could be accomplished in such a short period of time.
To date I have not heard a a viable explanation.
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For discussion, please visit this thread: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14884-do-you-believe-something-happened-earlier-than-may-3rd-if-so-how-did-the-mccanns-manage-to-deceive-everyone-at-the-creche
DO YOU BELIEVE SOMETHING HAPPENED TO MADDIE BEFORE 5.30PM MAY 3RD?
If so, that would mean that she did not attend the crèche during May 3rd or earlier.
Have you considered how this could be explained? Catriona, her nanny, claims Maddie was in the crèche during Thursday (and before). For the record, I DO NOT believe Catriona was lying.
Is the following scenario possible?
Suggesting that something happened to Maddie before Tuesday morning (when the major discrepancies/contradictions/lies started…likely to hide the truth) then Maddie would have only visited the crèche for a day or two.
What I feel is important to remember, is that the crèche did not follow the strict guidelines of a school, where children were expected to be present and accounted for during the full day.
Children were dropped off and picked up randomly and the register was likely used as a record of where to find the parents if needed as opposed to a record of their use of the crèche (which was free, so no need to establish cost) There were approximately 13 children that used the kids club (3 – 5 yrs old) and were divided into two groups. Lobsters and Sharks. However they all shared the same crèche room and although assigned to specific nannies, were likely interacting together.
We are told that there were several little blonde girls and I doubt for the first day or two the nannies were able to distinguish between them or notice if one or more of the young children were missing for the rest of the week.
Children arrived and left randomly, and were the records strictly kept where each nanny greeted the parents at the door as they arrived and signed the register, or was the register a requirement to locate the parents and was left‘on the side’ for them to responsibly sign in case the nanny needed to contact them?
Would the nannies scrutinize the register and take special note of who should be there at any specific time during the day? Likely not. Once children arrived and doors were closed, the nannies, at the beginning of the season when everything was new and lprobably not all in place, would likely be focused on keeping the children’s attention and dealing with minor issues between the children.
Catriona claims there were bracelets issued to each child and whether used or not, in a room of approximately 13 children, that were only going to be there for less than a week, and sometimes only a couple of hours, remembering their names would likely be secondary to keeping them occupied. There was no expectation for every child to be in attendance every day and so if one or more was missing, I can’t imagine it being of importance.
Is this the reason that, whether during the week or only Thursday, it may not have been apparent that Maddie was not there?
How could the McCanns have accomplished this deceit?
How could Catriona claim to have seen Maddie, even though she was not there?
Is it possible that this following scenario explains how the McCanns deceived everyone into believing Maddie was attending the crèche?
JaneTanners daughter was similar in appearance to Maddie. She was only 3 months younger and had similar hair colour.. Her shy personality was very different from what we have been told about Maddie but is it possible that Catriona was 'intimidated' by the knowledge, once Maddie disappeared, to learn that SHE had been looking after Maddie until that afternoon.
If she couldn’t remember EXACTLY the child named Maddie was there that day, (or earlier) there is no way she could have jeopardized her job by claiming shedidn’t remember.
She had been TOLD Maddie was at the crèche that day and as the ‘abduction’happened from the apartment, the crèche was not involved. However there WAS a BBC Whisteblower program that had criticized a Mark Warner crèche in another location only three weeks prior. Admitting to not SPECIFICALLY remembering Maddie could jeopardize her credibility for the job
She presumed that Maddie was the child that may or may not have been called ‘Ella’. Is this the reason that Catriona and many of the other OC staff described ‘Maddie’ as being shy and had the personality of Ella?
It goes without question that, even though she may not have remembered Maddie specifically, (especially if Maddie was actually only there during the first couple of days) she would give her statements about the child she now believed must have been Maddie.
Once acknowledged Maddie was there she could never retract her statement. There was no turning back. Was this the reason she went through a depressing time a few weeks later (as described to a friend) when she inwardly realized the scope of the case?
This brings us to HOW could the McCanns achieve their deceit of Maddie attending the crèche?
After scrutinizing the crèche records, and guided by the discrepancies/contradictions starting on TUESDAY MORNING, so with the possibility that they were trying to hide something at this point, Monday MAY have been the day something happened.
MONDAY AFTERNOON - Oddly, Maddie was signed into the crèche at 3.15pm and signed out after 15 mins.
Approximately half an hour later, Ella was signed in at 4pm, but not signed out.
TUESDAY morning, Gerry and Russell walked to the crèche along with Jez Wilkins. Jez makes mention of Gerry telling him about the children being left alone and he responded by talking about children can go to evening crèche and carried home with a blanket.
Could this have been the first initial effort to suggest the children would be alone to facilitate an ‘abductor’ being the reason Maddie disappeared? Was it inspiration of bundleman?
Jez’ daughter was in the Sharks group but sharing the same room as Maddie’s group,the Lobsters and Russells daughter was also in the Lobster group.
At 12.30pm Gerry signed Maddie out but Russell did not sign the register. Was this because there was only ONE CHILD?
TUESDAY AFTERNOON Gerry signs ONE CHILD in at 2.30. Ella is signed in at the same time by CAT(Did Russell forget to sign or was there only ONE CHILD?)
At 5.30pm only Russell signs out ONE CHILD Maddie is not signed out (Blank) Is that because there was only ONE CHILD? Kate signed the twins out at 5.20pm They were at high tea together. Why did she not sign Maddie out at the same time? Was Maddie there?
On WEDNESDAY MORNING both Gerry and Russell sign in their child AT THE SAME TIME(could there have only been ONE CHILD?) but at lunchtime Russell signed out ONE CHILD and it was CAT who signed out Maddie at the same time. 12.30pm. Why and when did CAT sign Maddie out?
Kate and Russell both arrived at the same time on Wednesday afternoon. 5.30pm
THURSDAY is RIDDLED with discrepancies and one example is regarding picking up the McCann children for the crèche at lunchtime….
Kate and Fiona were SUPPOSEDLY at the rec area together.
Fiona claims they went together from the rec area to pick up the children(Maddie and Scarlet)
Kate claims she went back to the apartment to prepare lunch before going to the creche.
HOWEVER, Gerry claims HE went to the crèche to pick up Maddie and he specifically remembers taking the short cut
Kate signs the register at 12.25pm. Did Gerry REALLY pick up Maddie as he claims?
Keep in mind that Catriona said she did NOT REMEMBER who picked Maddie up at lunchtime
Along with this, neither of them are certain who picked up the TWINS and curiously the twins crèche records for THURSDAY morning are MISSING from the files.
Most of the above is from memory and along with the graphic is just an indication of why I feel it’s a POSSIBILTY so if any of the info is to be used elsewhere PLEASE confirm or contact me for a link.
As mentioned, for those that believe something happened to Maddie before 5.30pmon May 3rd there needs to be an explanation as to how it can be explained HOW Maddie was ‘missed’ in the crèche.
For those that believe something happened in the hour and half they were at the tapas on May 3rd, I would be interested to hear an explanation of how it could be accomplished in such a short period of time.
To date I have not heard a a viable explanation.
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For discussion, please visit this thread: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14884-do-you-believe-something-happened-earlier-than-may-3rd-if-so-how-did-the-mccanns-manage-to-deceive-everyone-at-the-creche
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