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Perhaps Portugal Detective Mr Goncalo Amaral had concluded that an "Accident" had befallen Madeleine McCann and the consequences enacted upon were not the best outcome after all-Cover Up to evade being unmasked?
The "One Common Factor"stipulated by specific person's is"Paedophiles"?
Look closely at all of the connectors pointing to this scenario?
CEOP-Big jim Gamble!
Metropolitan Police,Gold Group,Leicestershire Police-Interpol all concluded No Evidence of Paedophile Gang!
UK Government,Non Prosecutions of elites in Society?
Gasper Statements?
First Arquido?
Cohorts who helped Family, Clarence Mitchell,links to "Paedophilia activities",Max Clifford,Pop DJ's?
Marc Dutroui?
EU Diplomats?
Links to Football Clubs?
Perhaps the use of "Paedophiles",was thought the safest method to utilise in a child disappearance,Bogey Man,now to Madeleine wandering out of Apartment?
The "One Common Factor"stipulated by specific person's is"Paedophiles"?
Look closely at all of the connectors pointing to this scenario?
CEOP-Big jim Gamble!
Metropolitan Police,Gold Group,Leicestershire Police-Interpol all concluded No Evidence of Paedophile Gang!
UK Government,Non Prosecutions of elites in Society?
Gasper Statements?
First Arquido?
Cohorts who helped Family, Clarence Mitchell,links to "Paedophilia activities",Max Clifford,Pop DJ's?
Marc Dutroui?
EU Diplomats?
Links to Football Clubs?
Perhaps the use of "Paedophiles",was thought the safest method to utilise in a child disappearance,Bogey Man,now to Madeleine wandering out of Apartment?
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Having had personal experience of this in my own family circle I am aware of how 'doctors' view the human body and how death can lead to life through the transplant of vital organs
If Maddie did die in an accident then her vital organs eg lungs could be used in a life saving operation perhaps for a VIP's child and this may explain the cover up
It would mean moving fast and high level pulling of strings
Just an idea but without naming names you will find certain important people with power around that time with sick children
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to the forum alan2000 and thank you for your theory.
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Having had personal experience of this in my own family circle I am aware of how 'doctors' view the human body and how death can lead to life through the transplant of vital organs
If Maddie did die in an accident then her vital organs eg lungs could be used in a life saving operation perhaps for a VIP's child and this may explain the cover up
It would mean moving fast and high level pulling of strings
Just an idea but without naming names you will find certain important people with power around that time with sick children
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good that this is moved to 'unorthodox theorizing'
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a classic ploy to discredit witnesses is link them with pedophilia( or other deviant sexual practices) - its the most damming of accusations and has been rife in this case
it effectively neutralizes anything they say or about to say - very effective and the public tend to lap it up readily
you can see this in the media coverage of Murat( really over the top - a cat?) , Malinka, Shrimpton, and Payne ( also Gerry?)
an obvious pattern really,used in desperation to cover up intelligence failures whether willful or otherwise
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it effectively neutralizes anything they say or about to say - very effective and the public tend to lap it up readily
you can see this in the media coverage of Murat( really over the top - a cat?) , Malinka, Shrimpton, and Payne ( also Gerry?)
an obvious pattern really,used in desperation to cover up intelligence failures whether willful or otherwise
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What are you talking about ?alan2000 wrote:a classic ploy to discredit witnesses is link them with pedophilia( or other deviant sexual practices) - its the most damming of accusations and has been rife in this case
it effectively neutralizes anything they say or about to say - very effective and the public tend to lap it up readily
you can see this in the media coverage of Murat( really over the top - a cat?) , Malinka, Shrimpton, and Payne ( also Gerry?)
an obvious pattern really,used in desperation to cover up intelligence failures whether willful or otherwise
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im sorry it was a bit brief- when you look at the case its saturated with allegations of pedophilia , deviant sexual practices even swinging etc
to me this is evidence of decoy misinformation to discredit witnesses and effectively render anything they say as not credible or more ominously a shot over the bows to cripple them if they are in any way complicit and think of going public
the two important expressions to me are- gerry- ' im not ......ing here to enjoy myself' and murat - biggest '...ck up' suggest the idea of an operation gone wrong and a subsequent cover up at the highest level
to me this is evidence of decoy misinformation to discredit witnesses and effectively render anything they say as not credible or more ominously a shot over the bows to cripple them if they are in any way complicit and think of going public
the two important expressions to me are- gerry- ' im not ......ing here to enjoy myself' and murat - biggest '...ck up' suggest the idea of an operation gone wrong and a subsequent cover up at the highest level
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what is this operation?
1. a sting to ensnare a VIP with subsequent blackmail opportunities. note make up photos
2. to test out new drugs on children ( big pharma) - all are doctors and could be conducted abroad- note twins slept right through? Maddie however died. This would account for all of them supporting each other
3. random - she was really targeted by a pedophile ring but intelligence failings lead to cover up which would betray awkward domestic connections
why can no one speak- they have either been muted by pedophilia /deviant sexual practices associations or are complicit from the start
1. a sting to ensnare a VIP with subsequent blackmail opportunities. note make up photos
2. to test out new drugs on children ( big pharma) - all are doctors and could be conducted abroad- note twins slept right through? Maddie however died. This would account for all of them supporting each other
3. random - she was really targeted by a pedophile ring but intelligence failings lead to cover up which would betray awkward domestic connections
why can no one speak- they have either been muted by pedophilia /deviant sexual practices associations or are complicit from the start
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OK so .... what are you talking about and what, if anything, has this to do with the McCanns 2018 Christmas message?
Keep it brief.
Keep it brief.
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Unorthodox Theorising
There were no witnesses, though. Nobody knew anything. Not one of them
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Just like South Yorkshire Police claimed,"Totally unaware of Grooming Gangs 1400 young vulnerable girls,"now exposed as liars by Mr Andy Norfolk,Times Reporter,whose stories the Police tried their best to prevent being printed,another Cover Up exposed to UK Police competence or malpractice!CaKeLoveR wrote:There were no witnesses, though. Nobody knew anything. Not one of them
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What else was happening in May 2007
As a relatively new member of this forum and having a couple of posts deleted to date which may appear a bit off base I like the rest of you am puzzled by how such an incoherent and contradictory testimony of witnesses continues to be unactionable and not subject to any official interrogation
I have already pointed out how key and potentially dangerous witnesses have been neutralized by pedophile associations or other deviant sex practices- this is standard ploy to discredit them and render statements they may make as incredulous because they have been part of the planning
The tapas 9 statements are deliberately incoherent and designed not to make sense - they are 'mirrors reflecting mirrors' to coin an expression used by a senior USA intelligence official in his assessment of the information coming out out of the Soviet Union in the cold war which is designed to confuse and misdirect.
Hence this forum chasing its tale for so long without getting anywhere
But why?
There's nothing like a good tale of predatory pedophiles to occupy the consciousness of the British Public. There's also nothing better than a sub-conspiracy based on the awful apparent evidence to implicate the parents to provide a theoretical narrative to even further distract
Why do they need distracted?
Check the news around this time- ill not provide a reference at this time
There never was an abduction - we all know that and the contradictory testimony of witnesses - Mcanns, Paynes, Murat, Smith , Gaspar, Fenn, etc is DELIBERATE to keep you DISTRACTED
ps even so called 'poor Goncalo' may be part of it
and indeed unfortunately despite all the good work of the independent researchers here the forum may ultimately itself be a distraction medium- SORRY
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I have already pointed out how key and potentially dangerous witnesses have been neutralized by pedophile associations or other deviant sex practices- this is standard ploy to discredit them and render statements they may make as incredulous because they have been part of the planning
The tapas 9 statements are deliberately incoherent and designed not to make sense - they are 'mirrors reflecting mirrors' to coin an expression used by a senior USA intelligence official in his assessment of the information coming out out of the Soviet Union in the cold war which is designed to confuse and misdirect.
Hence this forum chasing its tale for so long without getting anywhere
But why?
There's nothing like a good tale of predatory pedophiles to occupy the consciousness of the British Public. There's also nothing better than a sub-conspiracy based on the awful apparent evidence to implicate the parents to provide a theoretical narrative to even further distract
Why do they need distracted?
Check the news around this time- ill not provide a reference at this time
There never was an abduction - we all know that and the contradictory testimony of witnesses - Mcanns, Paynes, Murat, Smith , Gaspar, Fenn, etc is DELIBERATE to keep you DISTRACTED
ps even so called 'poor Goncalo' may be part of it
and indeed unfortunately despite all the good work of the independent researchers here the forum may ultimately itself be a distraction medium- SORRY
POST MAY LAST 2 MINUTES ?
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many thanks verdi i appreciate your 'open mind' still struggling
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the make up photo brings to mind for me the sort of photo you would send to the parents if you had kidnapped their child and wanted a response
its bland in background- cant be located although seems local, provocative and suggestive- Maddie looks drugged and unhappy
as a parent myself it would drive me nuts- here I am a sex object- please pay up asap otherwise
ive been speculating a lot on here lately - biggest' ...ck up' could have been a rescue op gone wrong
mi5 already in the news on 7/7 , government transition, policing failure, parental neglect all a heady mix.
The first thing kidnappers usually demand is no police , press black out etc and this could have happened early in the holiday- murat a local go between
And everyone would be sworn to secrecy to protect Maddy- except it went wrong and she was killed.
Govt bought everyone off and continues to do so
Fake abduction perpetuated to distract and mislead
its a standoff between 2 groups of liars- mcanns and the govt- the photo a little reminder that the former are in still in possession of damning evidence should the latter turn on them ( which they did and then relaxed the screws)
its bland in background- cant be located although seems local, provocative and suggestive- Maddie looks drugged and unhappy
as a parent myself it would drive me nuts- here I am a sex object- please pay up asap otherwise
ive been speculating a lot on here lately - biggest' ...ck up' could have been a rescue op gone wrong
mi5 already in the news on 7/7 , government transition, policing failure, parental neglect all a heady mix.
The first thing kidnappers usually demand is no police , press black out etc and this could have happened early in the holiday- murat a local go between
And everyone would be sworn to secrecy to protect Maddy- except it went wrong and she was killed.
Govt bought everyone off and continues to do so
Fake abduction perpetuated to distract and mislead
its a standoff between 2 groups of liars- mcanns and the govt- the photo a little reminder that the former are in still in possession of damning evidence should the latter turn on them ( which they did and then relaxed the screws)
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How clever is Gerry
After trawling the forums and reviewing all the information like most of you I am bambazooled!!
A tangled web of mis-direction and distraction on so many levels
One man or one man and his wife have controlled all this - you must be joking!
Have you seen Gerry being interviewed?- can you honestly see Gerry as an arch conspirator/planner/criminal?
Have you analysed his or Kate's statements/body language?
They are Puppets and Muppets
The sheer complexity and organization of the criminal events alleged between 29/4/07 and 3/5/07 which has defeated every sleuth on the forum to unravel can only point to a higher level of authority or power directing same
Sometimes I worry that the McCann bashing ( and of course one may argue that they deserve if for all sorts of different reasons) is deliberately contrived to obscure a more secretive motive or agenda here and whilst I do respect the Police and security forces in general there does appear to be a vested interest in continuing to appear to be investigating a crime to keep options open.
The resources needed to coin an expression of Robert Redford's in 'Spy game' to 'keep track of it all' are massive and can only be government sponsored
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A tangled web of mis-direction and distraction on so many levels
One man or one man and his wife have controlled all this - you must be joking!
Have you seen Gerry being interviewed?- can you honestly see Gerry as an arch conspirator/planner/criminal?
Have you analysed his or Kate's statements/body language?
They are Puppets and Muppets
The sheer complexity and organization of the criminal events alleged between 29/4/07 and 3/5/07 which has defeated every sleuth on the forum to unravel can only point to a higher level of authority or power directing same
Sometimes I worry that the McCann bashing ( and of course one may argue that they deserve if for all sorts of different reasons) is deliberately contrived to obscure a more secretive motive or agenda here and whilst I do respect the Police and security forces in general there does appear to be a vested interest in continuing to appear to be investigating a crime to keep options open.
The resources needed to coin an expression of Robert Redford's in 'Spy game' to 'keep track of it all' are massive and can only be government sponsored
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How clever are you alan2000 - are you trying to be funny? If so, I'm not amused, we've been this way before I feel.
Take this as a warning alan2000, clean up your act or you will no longer be welcome on CMoMM.
The choice is yours.
I will leave this latest garbled message of yours here to give you the opportunity to read the warning - before moving it to garbage.
Take this as a warning alan2000, clean up your act or you will no longer be welcome on CMoMM.
The choice is yours.
I will leave this latest garbled message of yours here to give you the opportunity to read the warning - before moving it to garbage.
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@verdi- thank you for keeping this post alive at least for a few days!!
i noted a recent post on another thread reference early diplomatic support for the Mccanns which was characterized as unprecedented and quite unusual
Why could this be?
The involvement of the apparatus of the UK Government in this early and latter stages ( though the perpetuation of police investigation) is the key to unravel this mystery
i noted a recent post on another thread reference early diplomatic support for the Mccanns which was characterized as unprecedented and quite unusual
Why could this be?
The involvement of the apparatus of the UK Government in this early and latter stages ( though the perpetuation of police investigation) is the key to unravel this mystery
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i just happened to be looking into the labour party in scotland and came up with the following interesting characters:
robin cook - anti the iraq war died from a heart attack while hiking in the mountains
john smith died of a heart attack - back in 1994- only 55
george galloway( ex labour party) interestingly still alive but anti iraq and was in big trouble around may 2007- big pain in the ass for Tony
he has/had a villa in burgau and reported break ins in earlier years and his papers stolen
of course there was other trouble afoot in may 2007:
The 2007 Scottish Parliament election was held on Thursday 3 May 2007 to elect members to the Scottish Parliament. It was the third [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.][You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to the devolved [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] since it was created in 1999. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] fell on the same day.
The [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] emerged as the largest party with 47 seats- this was a massive constitutional swing in politics diluting the 'UK' and the power base of the monarchy
ive also already referred to the 7/7 report earlier in that week
a heady mix indeed!!!
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robin cook - anti the iraq war died from a heart attack while hiking in the mountains
john smith died of a heart attack - back in 1994- only 55
george galloway( ex labour party) interestingly still alive but anti iraq and was in big trouble around may 2007- big pain in the ass for Tony
he has/had a villa in burgau and reported break ins in earlier years and his papers stolen
of course there was other trouble afoot in may 2007:
The 2007 Scottish Parliament election was held on Thursday 3 May 2007 to elect members to the Scottish Parliament. It was the third [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.][You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to the devolved [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] since it was created in 1999. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] fell on the same day.
The [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] emerged as the largest party with 47 seats- this was a massive constitutional swing in politics diluting the 'UK' and the power base of the monarchy
ive also already referred to the 7/7 report earlier in that week
a heady mix indeed!!!
further elaborations to follow
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Some more examples here:
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Shear unadulterated nonsense.
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You may be right, but I don't see why it can't be discussed in its own topic thread.Verdi wrote:Shear unadulterated nonsense.
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Having looked into this a bit, I do wonder if there might actually be something in it.
David Oates (who claims to have discovered "reverse speech") has hundreds of examples.
The CIA have also investigated it, according to recently declassified documents.
Did you watch the full video? Some of them sound pretty clear to me.
If the phenomenon is real, some major missing pieces of the puzzle are filled in.
There's also an hour-long radio show here with more alleged "reversals" on the case:
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I particularly like the one on Jane Tanner at 29:20.
Forwards: "If you ask nine people about um events of a night, you're probably gonna get nine slightly different stories and you're not clock watching, you're not, y'know, we were having.. having a meal, you're not..."
Backwards: "The yarn of seven is private".
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AlexBG wrote:You may be right, but I don't see why it can't be discussed in its own topic thread.
Indeed, you are welcome to discuss the subject.
If it proves to warrant it's own special place on the forum then it can be discussed right here where it belongs ..
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