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Anne Guedes: Professor of French in the Lisbon University, Luis de Camoes.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 30.04.17 15:15

French radio broadcast about Maddie :"L'heure du crime" with G.Moréas and Anne Guedes.27/04/17.Summary..

BIG thx to frencheuropean

Today at 1:11 pm

."l'Heure du Crime" - Jacques Pradel's radio RTL program; April 27, 2017 (2-3 pm)

"10 years ago, the disappearance of Maddie McCann"

Summary and Translation by Frencheuropean and Anne Guedes

http://www.rtl.fr/actu/societe-faits-divers/il-y-a-10-ans-la-disparition-de-maddie-7788279123

This summary focuses on the participants' statements and leaves out archival materials that do not provide anything new.

This program is broadcast in collaboration with "Le Parisien"
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J.Pradel introduces his guests:

- Timothée Boutry, a "Le Parisien" journalist who has been following the case for a long time (he was twice in Praia da Luz) and

- Georges Moréas, Honorary Commissioner, former Head of the OCRB (Office central de lutte contre le crime organisé, a sort of French equivalent of SOCA, Serious Organised Crime Agency), currently a lawyer at the Paris Bar, novelist, scriptwriter and author of columns about the Maddie McCann case on his blog POLICEtcetera.

http://moreas.blog.lemonde.fr/

-Anne Guedes, Professor of French in the Lisbon University Luis de Camoes, who devoted a lot ot time to this particular case. All that is related to it is exhaustively recorded in her blog, Madeleine etc.

https://madmyst.blogspot.fr/

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J.Pradel says he will aks AG why she is so interested in this case, apart from the fact that it happened in Portugal where she lives.

Timothée Boutry brings to mind a short retrospective of the Scotland Yard review of the case, decided by David Cameron in 2011. He talks of a recent SY release (note: Martin Brunt's interview with the assistant commissionner Mark Rowley on April 25) alluding to a critic lead among others but remaining blurred, as always since the beginning of Operation Grange.

Jacques Pradel points out that SY never questioned the McCann family.

Georges Moréas, who read the alluded interview, finds it amazing that the commissionner seems very embarrassed and does not actually answer the journalist who has to repeat questions several times. GM reckons that SY definitively ruled out the thesis of an accident, of a sedative overdose ... an hypothesis also plausible. In France, there are similar cases of children who are reported "abducted" by their parents whereas they died accidentally. He refers to the alleged "kidnapping" in 2008 of little Antoine Brugerolle (note : he has never been found) whose mother has recently been arrested with her partner because according to the latter's fellow prisoner the child died of an accidental ingestion of drug when he was alone at home.

In England, the police adopted a political position, it was considered at once that the parents were victims and that the Portuguese police had not done the job.

J.Pradel recalls that Gonçalo Amaral's book sums up his thesis and that he finally and definitively won at the High Court the lawsuit against him, hence will not have to pay the half million euros to the McCanns.


G.Moréas emphasises that the High Court judges’ ruling reminds that the parents had not been cleared (by the filing order of July 2008), even if there was not enough evidence to charge them. The case was dismissed and the McCanns came out neither guilty nor innocent.

T.Boutry speaks about the layout of the premises in PDL. The apartment was accessible from the outside, on the ground floor.

J.Pradel : The room was on the ground floor which would have allowed to go in through the window, but there was no evidence of breaking and entering and it seems that the mother said she had closed the shutters ... another unanswered question.

T.Boutry : According to him, the parents, in the restaurant, were not far away, visual contact was possible from the restaurant ... the parents were criticized for leaving the children alone .. but people are free to have their own opinion. He talks about the Algarve.

J.Pradel, after having highlighted that Robert Murat (note : the first formal suspect) had been cleared, speaks of the concrete elements of suspicion against the parents, in particular the "cadaver" dog and the "blood" dog.

G.Moréas talks about the alerts of the dogs in the McCann apartment and the car, mentions swabs collected in the car related with Madeleine's DNA. He recalls that the samples were sent to the UK (note : FFS of Birmingham) , the results were said to be inconclusive as (components of more than two contributors) were mixed. Then strangely the samples disappeared and the counter-expertise was impossible.

J.Pradel : There were 15 markers matching MMC's DNA profile, it is at least disturbing (note : it means that 15/19 components of MMC’s DNA profile were also in the reference sample) .

G.Moréas : In France 15 markers would have sufficed for a parents' indictment.

T.Boutry : The Mccanns put forward the thesis of the kidnapping which imposed itself in U.K, they overplayed it, even if they are probably innocent. SY might have evidence, may be we'll know it some day.

G.Moréas : At first the apartment was not considered as a crime scene, there was no test made to begin with. It is a pity but it also happens sometimes in France because the first concern is to find the child.

T.Boutry reports that G. Amaral told him he regretted that the crime scene was not preserved (the police was called only at 22h41) and moreover not to have being able to make a re-enactment that would have allowed to assess the parents' (statements') inconsistencies.

J.Pradel asks GM's opinion about the updated e-fits of missing children.

G.Moréas says that it can be eventually useful for adults but that e-fits have never proved to help in the case off missing children.

J.Pradel asks GM what, as a policeman, has disconcerted him in this case.

G.Moréas : The behaviour of the parents was disturbing. They opposed the re-enactment demanded by Amaral and erased all the sms of their cell phones which is rather typical of criminals attempting to escape the police and not the first reaction of parents who are searching for their three-year-old child. This suggests that they wanted to hide something about the recipients of their calls. The police could not go further because the McCanns refused to answer the questions as soon as they became relevant and as they refused to take part in the re-enactment (note : actually being arguidos they couldn't refuse, but their friends and acquaintances could and that was enough) , their contradictions could not be examined.

J.Pradel : If it had happened in France, what would have outcome ?

G.Moréas : With the evidence gathered by the police, the parents would have been taken into custody, a judge would have ordered the re-enactment and they could not have countered it. But in Portugal, the system of justice protects more individual freedoms.

J.Pradel is now on the phone with Anne Guedes :" Why did you get so passionate about this case that of course takes place in Portugal, but you have been doing an incredible job that one can see on your blog " Madeleine etc." and for a long time ?"

A.Guedes says the media circus could not be ignored and she had a neutral position, living in Lisbon, neither Portuguese nor British but at ease in these two languages. Besides she was gobsmacked by the way the tabloids treated the Portuguese police and the Portuguese people, even going so far as to ask the ambassador of Portugal in England to "just keep his stupid, sardine-munching mouth shut".

There was a lot of contempt and also misunderstanding right from the start. This is clearly highlighted in the recent interview with the commissioner Mark Rowley. Scotland Yard's primary mission was to review the case, and a review must start from the very beginning and question the main protagonists, here the parents and their friends or acquaintances. This was not done because the British assumed that the Portuguese had cleared the parents. In fact they probably only read the last page of the Public Ministry filing order of July 2008 which says that the McCann's status as arguidos (formal suspects) are lifted.. (note: it was wrongly taken for granted that it was a certificate of innocence) .

J.Pradel asks AG if she believes like Amaral that the abduction covered up an accident.

A.Guedes refers to her blog about her opinion on that matter. She thinks that "this little girl no longer exists". There is no indication of kidnapping, it seems unlikely where it (the disappearance) occurred, the parents did not answer the questions asked by the police (note : the mother, not the father), refused a re-enactment, a behaviour that didn't make sense, even for some tabloids' editors.

J.Pradel : Question from listeners : Concealing the body was difficult since they did not know the area.

A.Guedes firmly disagrees but does not want to exhibit her thought on the phone, on the air. She thinks the McCanns took a terrible and wrong decision and soon could not go backwards anymore. Asked, she says she thinks the friends were not aware of what happened, she does not believe there was any complicity.

J.Pradel asks whether it was "behind closed doors" and AG answers yes, that's what she thinks it was.

A.Guedes : The Mccanns made a bad choice and it would have stopped there, had they not told incredible tales like for instance the abduction through the open window without trace of break-in, etc.

J.Pradel : "Do you think that the body of the child will be found one day ?"

A.Guedes : The answer is no. I think that Madeleine has stopped existing materially for a very long time".

As J.Pradel encourages everyone to go and have a look at her blog, AG points out that this blog mainly establishes facts so that people, after reading, will be able to make their own opinion. There were many fake news in this story.

And so it ended.


Note from Anne Guedes : Jacques Pradel's program generated thousands of hits on Madeleine etc., mainly from francophone countries and particularly from France, in the hours that followed the broadcast.

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J.Pradel : "If it had happened in France, what would have outcome?"

G.Moréas : "With the evidence gathered by the police, the parents would have been taken into custody, a judge would have ordered the re-enactment and they could not have countered it."

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Re: Anne Guedes: Professor of French in the Lisbon University, Luis de Camoes.

Post by sandancer on 30.04.17 15:59

Well done France​ , congratulations​ . A balanced researched production​ that​ talks about the dogs , the samples ,inconsistencies in​ statements , lack of questions​ to the McCanns by the Met Police . 

All the things that Uk media​ ignore .

Thanks for this​ , the​ sickening sob fest here is doing my head in !

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Re: Anne Guedes: Professor of French in the Lisbon University, Luis de Camoes.

Post by jeanmonroe on 30.04.17 16:11

G.Moréas : "With the evidence gathered by the police, the parents would have been taken into custody, a judge would have ordered the re-enactment and they could not have countered it."
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Imo, the 'parents' AND their 'friends' (T7) WOULD have been taken into 'custody' and 'ordered' to do a 're-enactment', if it were not for UK, erm, 'authorities' INTERVENING/INTERFERING within 'hours' of the 'crime'!

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Post by suzyjohnson on 30.04.17 16:53

So France has re-enactments within their police procedures also? If that's usual across Europe, any appeal to the ECHR isn't going to go down very well is it? If it ever was.

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Was Anne Guedes right to excuse the Tapas 7 from complicity?

Post by Tony Bennett on 30.04.17 23:25

@jeanmonroe wrote:A.Guedes firmly disagrees but does not want to exhibit her thought on the phone, on the air. She thinks the McCanns took a terrible and wrong decision and soon could not go backwards anymore. Asked, she says she thinks the friends were not aware of what happened, she does not believe there was any complicity.


So, according to Anne Guedes, the entire Tapas 7 had no indication that anything was wrong with Madeleine until Kate McCann raised the alarm around 10.00pm on Thursday 3 May?

I wonder, then, how she explains the 20 or more contradictions there were between the accounts of David Payne and Kate McCann about an alleged visit of his to the McCanns' apartment between 6.30pm to 7.00pm on 3rd May?

Or how she explains the notorious 'Pact of Silence'?

Or Jane Tanner lying about an alleged abductor?

And how she explains so much else?

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Re: Anne Guedes: Professor of French in the Lisbon University, Luis de Camoes.

Post by Crida on 30.10.17 18:59

I'm a little bit shocked!
but anyway, thanks for sharing

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Re: Anne Guedes: Professor of French in the Lisbon University, Luis de Camoes.

Post by silverdoe on 30.10.17 19:37

Yes it would have been distressing, but surely, if you knew it was to jolt peoples memories that may help find their daughter wouldn't you do absolutely anything? Including the painful process of a re-enactment?
It shouldn't have to get to the point of being taken in to custody and ordered to do so, it should have just been something they knew they had to do for the sake of their daughter. 
Thank you for sharing this, very interesting!

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Post by TonyMorgan on 29.03.18 11:21

I absolutely agree
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Re: Anne Guedes: Professor of French in the Lisbon University, Luis de Camoes.

Post by G-Unit on 30.03.18 11:49

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:A.Guedes firmly disagrees but does not want to exhibit her thought on the phone, on the air. She thinks the McCanns took a terrible and wrong decision and soon could not go backwards anymore. Asked, she says she thinks the friends were not aware of what happened, she does not believe there was any complicity.


So, according to Anne Guedes, the entire Tapas 7 had no indication that anything was wrong with Madeleine until Kate McCann raised the alarm around 10.00pm on Thursday 3 May?

I wonder, then, how she explains the 20 or more contradictions there were between the accounts of David Payne and Kate McCann about an alleged visit of his to the McCanns' apartment between 6.30pm to 7.00pm on 3rd May?

Or how she explains the notorious 'Pact of Silence'?

Or Jane Tanner lying about an alleged abductor?

And how she explains so much else?

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Is there any evidence of a pact of silence other than reports in the media? Because it was denied in the media also. 

"We wish to state that there is categorically no ‘pact of silence’ or indeed anything secretive between us......"From day one, the police in Portugal told us not to discuss our statements. "It is incredibly frustrating for us that the fact we have done as we were asked to by the Portuguese police is still being looked upon as suspicious.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1567702/Madeleine-McCann-Friends-deny-silence-pact.html
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Anne Guedes

Post by willowthewisp on 30.03.18 17:14

@G-Unit wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:A.Guedes firmly disagrees but does not want to exhibit her thought on the phone, on the air. She thinks the McCanns took a terrible and wrong decision and soon could not go backwards anymore. Asked, she says she thinks the friends were not aware of what happened, she does not believe there was any complicity.


So, according to Anne Guedes, the entire Tapas 7 had no indication that anything was wrong with Madeleine until Kate McCann raised the alarm around 10.00pm on Thursday 3 May?

I wonder, then, how she explains the 20 or more contradictions there were between the accounts of David Payne and Kate McCann about an alleged visit of his to the McCanns' apartment between 6.30pm to 7.00pm on 3rd May?

Or how she explains the notorious 'Pact of Silence'?

Or Jane Tanner lying about an alleged abductor?

And how she explains so much else?

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Is there any evidence of a pact of silence other than reports in the media? Because it was denied in the media also. 

"We wish to state that there is categorically no ‘pact of silence’ or indeed anything secretive between us......"From day one, the police in Portugal told us not to discuss our statements. "It is incredibly frustrating for us that the fact we have done as we were asked to by the Portuguese police is still being looked upon as suspicious.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1567702/Madeleine-McCann-Friends-deny-silence-pact.html
Hi G-Unit,I for one would rule out the daily Telegraph article as it has connections to a"Family friend" Clarence Mitchell,listen to his lies from the Australia Comm-Conn Tour video?
If you Trust what comes out of this person's Mouth(CM) as the "truth",Carlos Anjous states,"He lies with as many teeth he has in his Head"speaks volumes for me,that this manufactured Mouth piece,PR with connections to Two Former UK Prime Ministers is just a  fraud in Madeleine's case to deceive from the Truth.
PS,Clarence Mitchell was paid for by Brian Kennedy,He(CM)quit his job to take up a role in"Helping the McCann's"for the past Eleven years,notice any connections,to Government Organisations,Metropolitan Police Operation Grange,Mark Rowley,family spokesperson?
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Re: Anne Guedes: Professor of French in the Lisbon University, Luis de Camoes.

Post by G-Unit on 01.04.18 7:44

Hello. I was wondering where the 'Pact of Silence' story came from. Do you know please?
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Re: Anne Guedes: Professor of French in the Lisbon University, Luis de Camoes.

Post by G-Unit on 01.04.18 14:33

Thank you. So a story from Sol is believed but a story in a UK newspaper isn't?
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