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Investigation "still open" in the Judiciary Police Investigation with a Team of PJPorto

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Investigation "still open" in the Judiciary Police Investigation with a Team of PJPorto

Post by Keitei on 23.04.17 12:07

Translated by a Portuguese researcher, with thanks

Maddie's disappearance Investigation "still open" in the Judiciary Police
Investigation with a Team of PJPorto
The Judiciary Police continues to investigate Madeleine McCann's disappearance in 2007 in the Algarve, admitting that it is "a unique case in the history of the PJ and the country."
The case is still open, yes," and the investigation was handed over to a team from PJ do Porto, revealed the deputy director of the Judicial Police, Pedro do Carmo, in an interview with the Lusa agency, about the ten years of the disappearance of the Child , Then three years old, from the tourist resort Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Lagos.
For PJ number two, the outlines of Maddie's disappearance are "a unique case in the history of the country and the PJ."
"We had never had a similar case, nor did we have it afterwards" said Pedro do Carmo, admitting that the police "have every interest in knowing what happened, because that is how the lessons can be drawn for future situations.".
Asked if the long time elapsed is the enemy of the investigation, the official admitted that the "PJ is aware that, as time passes, it will become more difficult to reach answers or results."
Anyway we have this hope and we have reason to have this hope," he said.
The work of the PJ "continued and continues at this moment", there being "the hope to find answers to the case, and to achieve results" until it is time to say "there is nothing more to do."
Pedro do Carmo acknowledges that the Maddie case is a rock in the shoe of the PJ and considered that it is still premature to make an analysis on the whole process of investigation .
"We do not know yet what happened, what was the reason for Madeleine's disappearance, which means that we are not yet in a position to say what was done poorly, done right or should have been done," he said.
The critical assessment of the case can only be made when the investigation is closed, "either because we have found the answers we wanted or because we have reached the point where there is nothing else to do," he said.
The British girl disappeared on May 3, 2007, when she slept, together with the twin brothers (younger), in the room of a holiday apartment in the Algarve.
At the outset of the investigation, the PJ constituted as an arguido a British man who lived near the Ocean Club - Robert Murat - who had participated in the searches and was an interpreter of GNR and PJ.
At the beginning of August 2007, after many incidents that would have dispersed the investigators' attention, British police, with the help of cadaver and sniffer dogs, came into action at the scene of the disappearance, looking for blood and odors from the girl's corpse.
In September, Maddie's parents, both doctors, were questioned in the PJ of Portimão and constituted Arguidos.
On July 21, 2008, the Public Prosecutor's Office decided to close the investigation and lifted the arguido status from the McCanns and Robert Murat, noting that the case could be reopened if "new evidence" arose.
Ten years later, the investigation is still ongoing in Portugal and England, although the new clues that have emerged have proven fruitless.

http://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/caso-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie-continua-aberto-na-policia-judiciaria?ref=HP_Grupo1

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Post by Tony Bennett on 23.04.17 12:52

@Keitei wrote:Translated by a Portuguese researcher, with thanks

Maddie's disappearance Investigation "still open" in the Judiciary Police
Investigation with a Team of PJPorto
The Judiciary Police continues to investigate Madeleine McCann's disappearance in 2007 in the Algarve, admitting that it is "a unique case in the history of the PJ and the country."
The case is still open, yes," and the investigation was handed over to a team from PJ do Porto, revealed the deputy director of the Judicial Police, Pedro do Carmo, in an interview with the Lusa agency, about the ten years of the disappearance of the Child , Then three years old, from the tourist resort Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Lagos.
For PJ number two, the outlines of Maddie's disappearance are "a unique case in the history of the country and the PJ."
"We had never had a similar case, nor did we have it afterwards" said Pedro do Carmo, admitting that the police "have every interest in knowing what happened, because that is how the lessons can be drawn for future situations.".
Asked if the long time elapsed is the enemy of the investigation, the official admitted that the "PJ is aware that, as time passes, it will become more difficult to reach answers or results."
Anyway we have this hope and we have reason to have this hope," he said.
The work of the PJ "continued and continues at this moment", there being "the hope to find answers to the case, and to achieve results" until it is time to say "there is nothing more to do."
Pedro do Carmo acknowledges that the Maddie case is a rock in the shoe of the PJ and considered that it is still premature to make an analysis on the whole process of investigation .
"We do not know yet what happened, what was the reason for Madeleine's disappearance, which means that we are not yet in a position to say what was done poorly, done right or should have been done," he said.
The critical assessment of the case can only be made when the investigation is closed, "either because we have found the answers we wanted or because we have reached the point where there is nothing else to do," he said.
The British girl disappeared on May 3, 2007, when she slept, together with the twin brothers (younger), in the room of a holiday apartment in the Algarve.
At the outset of the investigation, the PJ constituted as an arguido a British man who lived near the Ocean Club - Robert Murat - who had participated in the searches and was an interpreter of GNR and PJ.
At the beginning of August 2007, after many incidents that would have dispersed the investigators' attention, British police, with the help of cadaver and sniffer dogs, came into action at the scene of the disappearance, looking for blood and odors from the girl's corpse.
In September, Maddie's parents, both doctors, were questioned in the PJ of Portimão and constituted Arguidos.
On July 21, 2008, the Public Prosecutor's Office decided to close the investigation and lifted the arguido status from the McCanns and Robert Murat, noting that the case could be reopened if "new evidence" arose.
Ten years later, the investigation is still ongoing in Portugal and England, although the new clues that have emerged have proven fruitless.

http://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/caso-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie-continua-aberto-na-policia-judiciaria?ref=HP_Grupo1
re: "The Judiciary Police continues to investigate Madeleine McCann's disappearance in 2007..."

REPLY: I very much doubt it, even if this is a Portuguese newspaper quoting the Judiciary Department's Deputy Director, Pedro do Carmo.

What else could poor Pedro say?  He couldn't say: "We have stopped investigating Maddie's disappearance", otherwise...

1.  Everybody would jump on him immediately like a ton of bricks, asking 'Why Not?', and

2. It would destroy the carefully constructed myth that Operation Grange is 'closely co-operating with the PJ', that there is a 'joint investigation', that 'The Portuguese police always have the lead in this investigation', etc. etc.

Every indication we have had over the past six years is that the PJ and the judicial authorities in Portugal merely 're-opened' their investigation as a technical procedure to satisfy the British authorities.    

In other words, it is a 'hollow', 'shell', so-called investigation with no real work at all being done - all the signs we have ever had from Portugal point this way

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Post by sharonl on 23.04.17 20:54

Isn't this the investigation going on in Oporto, the one that operation Grange is supposed to be working alongside?
 The original and official investigation was carried out by the PJ in Portimao.

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Post by Verdi on 23.04.17 21:05

A criminal investigation is never 'closed' until effectively solved.  It can be archived indefinitely pending further evidence - this will be the case in Portugal as regards the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

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Re: Investigation "still open" in the Judiciary Police Investigation with a Team of PJPorto

Post by Keitei on 23.04.17 22:18

@sharonl wrote:Isn't this the investigation going on in Oporto, the one that operation Grange is supposed to be working alongside?
 The original and official investigation was carried out by the PJ in Portimao.
I can only repeat what Tweeter AdirenM says.  

The officers who are investigating the case are in a secret place where they can be left alone, away from the press and interference.

There are a couple of officers who deal with requests and such from OG.

She is adamant that OG and the PJ are not working together.

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Post by sharonl on 23.04.17 22:23

This has come up a few times before, I think maybe on Joana's site.  The PJ in Portimao, deny any involvement with Operation Grange but there is a another team of PJ investigators set up in Oporto, these are not the official enquiry team but are allegedly working with Op Grange.  I will look for a link.

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Post by sharonl on 23.04.17 22:29

I am not quite sure what to make of this report, I don't the Oporto bunch hold any more credibility that Op Grange

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/oporto-pj-goes-through-madeleine-mccann.html

PJ haven't a clue who took Maddie

http://portugalresident.com/pj-police-reveal-%E2%80%9Cwe-haven%E2%80%99t-a-clue-who-took-maddie%E2%80%9D

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Post by Keitei on 23.04.17 22:37

Things may have changed since that article was written as she does state they are in a secret place now performing their investigation.

Maybe ask AdirenM, too many Tweets to look through.  She does answer questions.?  Is there a search field or site where you can search a Tweeter's tweets and then use key words?

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Post by sharonl on 23.04.17 22:41

We know that the PJ were reluctant to work alongside UK police but was that Oporto PJ or Portimao PJ?

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