Re: 'VIDEO OF THE DAY'

by Captain_Pugwash 13.04.17 23:17

Verdi wrote:Is this the Panorama production aired in November 2007?

The actual narration at 13:00 minutes..

"It was British police sniffer dogs that changed the way Portuguese detectives were thinking.

The dogs indicated possible traces of DNA in the McCann family's flat and in the family's hire car"

bark! bark! bark! bark! bark! bark!

The narrator did not refer to the dogs as DNA dogs - there is no such animal as a DNA dog. Accuracy is paramount - it's this kind of misinterpretation that results in urban myth, once the seed is sown it's impossible to eradicate.

Please stop splitting hairs. The inference is clear, "Sniffer dogs detected traces of DNA". To the Sun reading British public this means a DNA detection dog. They ommitted to mention that the scents detected were of cadaverine and blood. They also failed to mention why British Police detection dogs were used at all. Somebody took a decision to mask the whole truth for a reason. My question is WHO and WHY?

by coati mundi 13.04.17 23:32

Yes, that video is quite shocking. In between the evasiveness they can hardly contain their joy!

All in my opinion and still hoping for justice.

by Verdi 14.04.17 0:08

sandancer wrote:
Verdi wrote:Is this the Panorama production aired in November 2007?

The actual narration at 13:00 minutes..

"It was British police sniffer dogs that changed the way Portuguese detectives were thinking.

The dogs indicated possible traces of DNA in the McCann family's flat and in the family's hire car"

bark! bark! bark! bark! bark! bark!

The narrator did not refer to the dogs as DNA dogs - there is no such animal as a DNA dog. Accuracy is paramount - it's this kind of misinterpretation that results in urban myth, once the seed is sown it's impossible to eradicate.

The failure to say the dogs indicated the scent of cadavarine and traces of blood in the apartment and the car shows how the public are being misled , and true facts are not being revealed .

Why are they so afraid of stating the facts

The truth is these dogs are incredibly RELIABLE !

On this occasion I truly believe the report was down to sloppy journalism, ignorance of the subject matter, rather than a deliberate attempt to mislead. My view is compounded by the wording - "the dogs indicated possible traces of DNA". It is not possible for a dog to smell DNA, they are specially trained dogs a) blood detection and b) EVRD. The vague wording can also be applied as a positive, i.e. the dogs deployed detected evidence of the missing person. It's counter productive to weave a conspiracy into absolutely every word ever uttered in connection with this case - tempting as it might be.

Over the months and years, the subject of forensic analysis has been completely misrepresented purely because people do not understand the subject. That's not a criticism per se other than to say, if you don't understand the subject then keep away. The bizarre myths that have been created out of ignorance are truly incredible, not only on the subject of forensics - they continue to this day no matter how many times debunked.

Following Eddie and Keela's visit to Praia da Luz and the preliminary forensic analysis of samples harvested, UK press reportage was quite damning towards the parents - that can't be wiped out from public perception, mud sticks!

Whilst I unreservedly agree that there is an establishment conspiracy at the core of this case, I don't think it helps to misconstrue every single media report just because. Heaven knows, there is enough material to chomp on without re-writing documented reportage just to make a point.

by Verdi 14.04.17 0:26

Captain_Pugwash wrote:The inference is clear, "Sniffer dogs detected traces of DNA". To the Sun reading British public this means a DNA detection dog. They ommitted to mention that the scents detected were of cadaverine and blood. They also failed to mention why British Police detection dogs were used at all. Somebody took a decision to mask the whole truth for a reason. My question is WHO and WHY?

The narrator did not refer to the dogs as DNA dogs - juggle the words as you might.

Panorama is a BBC television broadcast - I don't understand where "the Sun reading British public" fits in. Are you mistakenly suggesting that Panorama is only watched by Sun tabloid readers?

Much the same as any other televised current affairs documentary programme, Panorama has limited air time per episode, in fairness they can't cover every minute detail of any given subject. Sometimes you have to just take what you see, hear, or read for what it's worth without looking for hidden meaning or evasion - and that profound statement is coming from a self confessed cynic!

Please try to stick to fact and evidenced material without sensationalizing and scandalizing just for effect. Thank you.

by Captain_Pugwash 14.04.17 12:24

cadaver ware that the

Verdi wrote:
Captain_Pugwash wrote:The inference is clear, "Sniffer dogs detected traces of DNA". To the Sun reading British public this means a DNA detection dog. They ommitted to mention that the scents detected were of cadaverine and blood. They also failed to mention why British Police detection dogs were used at all. Somebody took a decision to mask the whole truth for a reason. My question is WHO and WHY?
The narrator did not refer to the dogs as DNA dogs - juggle the words as you might.

Panorama is a BBC television broadcast - I don't understand where "the Sun reading British public" fits in. Are you mistakenly suggesting that Panorama is only watched by Sun tabloid readers?

Much the same as any other televised current affairs documentary programme, Panorama has limited air time per episode, in fairness they can't cover every minute detail of any given subject. Sometimes you have to just take what you see, hear, or read for what it's worth without looking for hidden meaning or evasion - and that profound statement is coming from a self confessed cynic!

Please try to stick to fact and evidenced material without sensationalizing and scandalizing just for effect. Thank you.

Verdi, the BBC does not do sloppy journalism. The Sun reading British public are also the Mirror reading Star reading , Mail reading, Express reading etc public. I just picked the Sun because it nearly always tips the balance for the undecided when elections are due. Look at brexit last year as an example. The purpose of this forum is to examine the facts and expose the truth where possible. Not protection of the BBC. The Panorama producers were fully aware that the dogs used were trained to detect cadaver scent and human blood. They chose only to mention DNA and that in anybody's view has to be seen as deliberate. WHY was this decision made prior to broadcasting?

by Verdi 15.04.17 0:54

Panorama Mystery of Madeleine McCann Nov 19 2007

McCann TRUTH or Lie

58:58 minutes

In my view this must be the 'pièce de résistance' of any televised McCann related documentary so far. Courtesy of the BBC, it presents every angle from the perspective of the Portuguese GNR and PJ and the McCann family and friends without prejudice. The presentation leaves it entirely to the viewer to decide for themselves without persuasion either way (although I sense a little anti vibe going on). I give this production 100% thumbup

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Shown in November 2007, it must have been in the production stage for a number of weeks/months prior so it doesn't progress much beyond the hypothesis of the PJ under the direction of Goncalo Amaral - that's only to be expected, I don't pretend the video to be a factual account of the case, only an indication of how the investigation was moving when Mr Amaral was transferred. A lot of water has passed under the bridge since 2007!

I strongly recommend that it be watched at leisure, it's a bit lengthy but worth the effort. This weekend is a public holiday so people have time on their hands to watch and listen and (hopefully) learn.

by Verdi 15.04.17 15:40

worriedmum wrote:The Expresso interview. I find this absolutely jaw-dropping.

That's an understatement if ever there was! What a cocky attitude and they wonder why they rub people up the wrong way.

by joyce1938 15.04.17 18:13

Could I ask please does anyone else recall depending on when purchess of those pajama's were. As there were 2styles one was fastened at back with small button which the picture represents.Another style had the fasten,was some other place .So could have had a pair of each purchessed atanother time. some motherswill buy same style for kids .I jut have it in mindfrom wayback. god knwswhy my letters are jumblingit has taken so long .can anyone tell me this ? joyce1938

by **Jill Havern** 15.04.17 18:24

joyce1938 wrote:Could I ask please does anyone else recall depending on when purchess of those pajama's were. As there were 2styles one was fastened at back with small button which the picture represents.Another style had the fasten,was some other place .So could have had a pair of each purchessed atanother time. some motherswill buy same style for kids .I jut have it in mindfrom wayback. god knwswhy my letters are jumblingit has taken so long .can anyone tell me this ? joyce1938

This is the Video of the Day thread, Joyce - any chance you could re-post on the appropriate thread please?

by Cmaryholmes 15.04.17 18:37

Verdi wrote:
worriedmum wrote: The Expresso interview. I find this absolutely jaw-dropping.

That's an understatement if ever there was! What a cocky attitude and they wonder why they rub people up the wrong way.

by Verdi 15.04.17 21:02

Cmaryholmes wrote:
Verdi wrote:
worriedmum wrote: The Expresso interview. I find this absolutely jaw-dropping.

That's an understatement if ever there was! What a cocky attitude and they wonder why they rub people up the wrong way.

An all time classic - innit?

I did a rough transcript earlier of Gerry McCann 'explaining' their rapid departure from Portugal, I lost it in the posting process sad

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It's around 02:00 minutes I think, McCann juggles about with words, he is trying to imply that the PJ had prior knowledge of their intended departure on that weekend but it's clear to me they had no fixed plan until the heat was on - the arguido status tipped the balance.

Run away! shark

Run away!

I love this 'Video of the Day' thread - as you've probably gathered. Video footage of the McCanns performance is the only 'source' direct from the horse's mouth - or the nag's head if you prefer.

by Cmaryholmes 15.04.17 21:28

Kate's laid back, relaxed and amused comment at 1.15 is truly astonishing. She doesn't look like this now, though does she? Recent photos of her show a haggard, scrawny woman who has prematurely aged. Some people call it Karma. I call it reaping what you sow. Carrying a bad conscience for ten years is bound to take its toll. I don't think Gerry has a conscience.

by Verdi 15.04.17 23:30

I'm not convinced about her more recent media persona - she's got more faces than Rod Steiger. Not being funny but after reading the profile of Sonia Beldom. I repeat..

Whilst working alongside Clarence Mitchell on the Find Madeleine Campaign Sonia helped coach Kate & Gerry McCann in facing the world's press on and off screen during the intense news scrutiny that their story generated.

She specialises in press, media and screen presentation techniques and coaches individuals, teams and CEOs in camera techniques, handling the press and personal presentation skills.

I wonder if Kate McCann's media image is more a case of make-up techiniques and dowdy clothing than wrecked by a guilty conscience. Granted it's ten years on, she's no longer a spring chicken - scrawny people tend to show signs of premature aging. A random comparison from more recent times..

'VIDEO OF THE DAY' - Page 8 Madeleine-mccann-d

'VIDEO OF THE DAY' - Page 8 Madeleine-mccann-d

and..

'VIDEO OF THE DAY' - Page 8 Kate-McCann-L-and-her-husband-Gerry-McCann

She might well be carrying a weighty conscience but I don't think she's any more vulnerable or timorous than her supercilious husband. I think she's just more adept at altering her demeanour to suit the occasion.

by Captain_Pugwash 16.04.17 2:03

Verdi wrote:
worriedmum wrote:The Expresso interview. I find this absolutely jaw-dropping.

That's an understatement if ever there was! What a cocky attitude and they wonder why they rub people up the wrong way.

Very chilling indeed. The whole attitude is to reflect that a couple have been let off the hook by the Portuguese police and have been granted freedom to leave the country. Nothing whatsoever about their missing child. I'll bet Carter Fruck made a few bob on this one.

by Cmaryholmes 16.04.17 16:15

Verdi wrote:I'm not convinced about her more recent media persona - she's got more faces than Rod Steiger. Not being funny but after reading the profile of Sonia Beldom. I repeat..

Whilst working alongside Clarence Mitchell on the Find Madeleine Campaign Sonia helped coach Kate & Gerry McCann in facing the world's press on and off screen during the intense news scrutiny that their story generated.

She specialises in press, media and screen presentation techniques and coaches individuals, teams and CEOs in camera techniques, handling the press and personal presentation skills.

I wonder if Kate McCann's media image is more a case of make-up techiniques and dowdy clothing than wrecked by a guilty conscience. Granted it's ten years on, she's no longer a spring chicken - scrawny people tend to show signs of premature aging. A random comparison from more recent times..

and..

She might well be carrying a weighty conscience but I don't think she's any more vulnerable or timorous than her supercilious husband. I think she's just more adept at altering her demeanour to suit the occasion.

You are probably right. Methinks she could have scooped up the twins, jumped ship and gone to Ma Healey's at any time during the last 10 years. Instead she chooses to stay with Gerry. All in it together.

by kaz 16.04.17 17:16

Verdi wrote:Panorama Mystery of Madeleine McCann Nov 19 2007

McCann TRUTH or Lie

58:58 minutes

In my view this must be the 'pièce de résistance' of any televised McCann related documentary so far. Courtesy of the BBC, it presents every angle from the perspective of the Portuguese GNR and PJ and the McCann family and friends without prejudice. The presentation leaves it entirely to the viewer to decide for themselves without persuasion either way (although I sense a little anti vibe going on). I give this production 100% !

Shown in November 2007, it must have been in the production stage for a number of weeks/months prior so it doesn't progress much beyond the hypothesis of the PJ under the direction of Goncalo Amaral - that's only to be expected, I don't pretend the video to be a factual account of the case, only an indication of how the investigation was moving when Mr Amaral was transferred. A lot of water has passed under the bridge since 2007!

I have watched and listened to this and am puzzled as to why the Panorama team makes vague references to DNA but omit to mention cadaver odour detected in apartment 5A. It’s a big piece of damning evidence for such an otherwise fairly impartial documentary to ignore. ( Apologies if it was mentioned and I missed it)

by worriedmum 16.04.17 17:47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F2TfUAfRnU

One Year Anniversary Interview with Redoubtable Interviewers Bill Turnbull and Sian Williams. Kate rebuts Sian's suggestion that Madeleine my have 'wandered off'. The reasons for her certainty?
Firstly, she knows her daughter. Just a reminder here of the star chart for staying in bed...
'VIDEO OF THE DAY' - Page 8 WallChart

Secondly, she KNOWS. But she's 'not allowed' to say. Well Kate, tthat was ten years ago and the British Taxpayer has stumped up over ten million pounds for police activity and has donated massively to to the private not-a-charity fund. So I think , being as we keep being told that the McCanns are not suspects, she could now tell us what Kate actually does 'know'. What was it about the room that made her 'know'?

by **sandancer** 16.04.17 18:38

Kate says she KNOWS her daughter , ( she knows more than we do !) and that she wouldn't wander off .

Yet Kate told her friends whilst dining " in the back garden " that she'd left the patio doors unlocked in case Madeleine woke up and came looking for them !

Now which " version " is it Kate please ?

You can't have it both ways pet . Time to tell us what you really do KNOW .

by Verdi 16.04.17 20:56

sandancer wrote:Kate says she KNOWS her daughter , ( she knows more than we do !) and that she wouldn't wander off .

Yet Kate told her friends whilst dining " in the back garden " that she'd left the patio doors unlocked in case Madeleine woke up and came looking for them !

Now which " version " is it Kate please ?

You can't have it both ways pet . Time to tell us what you really do KNOW .

It was also said Madeleine would never engage with a stranger - yet - she apparently liked being twizzled by David Payne. You don't get much stranger than that!

by **sandancer** 16.04.17 22:13

The twizzling stranger who said you could have lots of fun with her !!!!!!

Everything that man says makes me cringe

by Verdi 17.04.17 0:26

ITV Daybreak short interview with Robert Murat
08:10 Oct 14th

05:04 minutes

Maria Anna

Following the Crimewatch Madeleine McCann Special in October 2013, Robert Murat talks briefly on the subject of being made arguido, the Crimewatch e-fits and the role of the Portuguese police.

by Captain_Pugwash 17.04.17 1:07

Gene Hunt bring it on. Vile people who need a severe kick to tell the truth. If at all the lesson from this production remember the so called offer of confession to get off with a 2 year sentence. This does not exist in Portuguese law END OF.

by Doug D 17.04.17 11:48

The bewk, P.215

‘Then came the best bit. Carlos (Pinto de Abreu) announced what the police had proposed. If we, or rather I, admitted that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment, and confessed to having hidden and disposed of her body, the sentence I’d receive would be much more lenient: only two years, he said, as opposed to what I’d be looking at if I ended up being charged with homicide………………..

…………………The incentive to accept this ‘offer’ seemed to be that if we didn’t agree to it, the authorities could or would go after us for murder, and if we were found guilty, we might both receive life sentences. Was this what it came down to? Confess to this lesser charge or risk something much worse?

Captain Pugwash:

‘the so called offer of confession to get off with a 2 year sentence. This does not exist in Portuguese law END OF.’

Is this factual?

Surely in any country the prosecution must have some ‘wriggle room’?

Doesn’t need to be written into the law.

by Verdi 17.04.17 11:58

sandancer wrote:The twizzling stranger who said you could have lots of fun with her !!!!!!

Everything that man says makes me cringe

The look of him makes me cringe!

by Captain_Pugwash 17.04.17 12:15

sandancer wrote:Kate says she KNOWS her daughter , ( she knows more than we do !) and that she wouldn't wander off .

Yet Kate told her friends whilst dining " in the back garden " that she'd left the patio doors unlocked in case Madeleine woke up and came looking for them !

Now which " version " is it Kate please ?

You can't have it both ways pet . Time to tell us what you really do KNOW .

Why nobody has ripped her to pieces in public is beyond me. Leave the patio doors unlocked so Madeleine can come looking for them with a swimming pool in the middle? A 3 year old? How this couple have been allowed to have responsibilty for children since is anybody's guess.

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by Captain_Pugwash 17.04.17 13:04

Doug D wrote:The bewk, P.215

‘Then came the best bit. Carlos (Pinto de Abreu) announced what the police had proposed. If we, or rather I, admitted that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment, and confessed to having hidden and disposed of her body, the sentence I’d receive would be much more lenient: only two years, he said, as opposed to what I’d be looking at if I ended up being charged with homicide………………..

…………………The incentive to accept this ‘offer’ seemed to be that if we didn’t agree to it, the authorities could or would go after us for murder, and if we were found guilty, we might both receive life sentences. Was this what it came down to? Confess to this lesser charge or risk something much worse?

Captain Pugwash:

‘the so called offer of confession to get off with a 2 year sentence. This does not exist in Portuguese law END OF.’

Is this factual?

Surely in any country the prosecution must have some ‘wriggle room’?

Doesn’t need to be written into the law.

Plea bargaining in this country does to an extent exist where the prosecution has a weak case. As I am aware it only is applied when a case has been sent for trial. It does not happen in a fckuing police station. I'm certain the same applies in Portugal. Who was that bint who referred to sending texts from a police station as being a bit naughty?. A child is missing presumed dead at the centre of investigation yet she is treating this like some schoolyard prank?

by roz 17.04.17 13:10

I think that Kate’s dilemma with the doors was because she made the erroneous decision to lock them; locking the child in the apartment, possibly on the Monday afternoon when she was taken out of the crèche early.

by Verdi 18.04.17 0:37

Clarence Mitchell RESIGNED from CABINET OFFICE to assist the McCanns

Hi-de-ho

03:40 minutes

@ 02:33 minutes:

There are forums and chatrooms that are a total free for all and I'm afraid the real cesspit of speculation innuendo and downright defamation. Our lawyers are aware of that, I'm aware of it and there are ways and means of dealing with that too, we will there as well.
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Interesting choice of words!

by Verdi 19.04.17 12:08

The Abuse of Kate and Gerry McCann

YouCareDotCom

04:24 minutes

Clarence Mitchell

"We are pleased the express newspapers have today admitted the utter falsity of the numerous grotesque and grossly defamatory allegations their titles have published about us on a sustained basis over many months.

The exceptional publication of these apologies together with today's statement and full apology in open court before Mr Justice ****** was the only just and proper response by the Express newspapers following our complaints."

Kate McCann @ 02:09 minutes

"You know...... they really should stop and think - we are human beings we're not just names, not just characters - we're human beings"

The express group paid out a cool 5.5 million smackers to the McCanns and later another 3.75 million to their group of friends.

Where is the justice for Goncalo Amaral after all the lies and smears about him published by the UK press?

f*****g t****rs !!!