WHAT HAPPENED TO MADELEINE AFTER THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN?

by **Jill Havern** 03.01.17 21:37

WHAT HAPPENED TO MADELEINE AFTER THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN?

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Picture 1 – Madeleine by the Ocean Club Swimming Pool

The McCanns say that this photo of Madeleine was taken on the last day of their holiday, Thursday 3 May 2007.

BUT IT NOW SEEMS THAT THIS CLAIM WAS FALSE.

A team of researchers connected to CMOMM noted that the photo was taken on a hot, sunny day. That is obvious from the photo; Madeleine, her father and sisters are wearing light clothing, dipping their feet into the pool. And the two children have summer hats on. Gerry is wearing sunglasses and there is a sheen of perspiration on him. The photo was taken at around 2pm, when the sun is at its highest in southern Portugal at that time of year.
The weather on Thursday, however, was mostly cloudy, cool and windy - not warming up until well after 4pm that afternoon.
So when was it taken?

Saturday was hot and sunny – but the McCanns didn’t arrive at the Ocean Clun until late afternoon. So it could not have been taken on Saturday.

Sunday was hot and sunny.

The weather changed on Monday, becoming cloudier, cooler, windier and bringing some rain. It could not have been taken on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday.

This photo could only have been taken on the Sunday – four days before Madeleine was reported missing.

A CREDIBLE SIGHTING OF MADELEINE ON SUNDAY LUNCHTIME

A Portuguese witness gave detailed, independent confirmation that Madeleine was alive at lunchtime on the Sunday, shortly before the above photo was taken. It was a cleaner, María Serafim da Silva Espada. This was part of her witness statement to the Portuguese police:

She had the opportunity to observe the photos of Madeleine being circulated everywhere. She has no hesitation in confirming that she saw the child before her disappearance, in the company of her siblings and mother and father, although in the latter case she only observed him from a distance.

“She states that this took place on Sunday 29th April, just before she finished her morning work shift (1.30pm) as she had the afternoon off that day. At about 1.15pm, she went to help her mother, who was cleaning apartment I of the same block (5) situated on the first floor. She clearly remembers seeing Madeleine accompanied by her siblings and mother leave their apartment (5A) and walk to the stairs leading to the floor above. She was very close to them at a distance of about 1 metre, observing their movements for a few moments because she was charmed by them. Madeleine led the way with a plate (perhaps plastic) in her hand, bearing a piece of bread. As regards the clothes she was wearing she only remembers a skirt but cannot recall its description. She noted, because she thought them nice, the type of shoes she was wearing, tennis shoes, light in colour she thinks, which had little lights along the soles, which lit up each time she stepped on the ground. Her siblings followed behind her, wearing the same kind of shoes and each holding a piece of bread in their hands. Their mother followed behind them without holding their hands. She seems to remember that the mother was also carrying a plate. Moments afterwards, perhaps the time it took to close the apartment door, the father came out and also headed to the apartment upstairs”.

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There is no doubt that María Serafim da Silva Espada was describing Madeleine. Madeleine was wearing a dress, or smock top, that day, as can be seen on the above photo. Madeleine and her twin siblings did all have ‘light up’ shoes on that holiday.

But if we look at other claimed sightings of Madeleine that week, there are very few. There are of course claims made by the McCanns themselves, their Tapas 7 friends, and two creche nannies who were close to the McCanns – but none of these are truly independent witnesses, so their evidence cannot be relied on. Of the handful of other claimed sightings of Madeleine that week, all are vague and could just as easily refer to another young blonde girl.

There are no other independent sightings of Madeleine the whole week after this important one by María Serafim da Silva Espada at Sunday lunchtime.

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Picture 2 – Madeleine dressed by an adult as a ‘Lolita’

This strange picture was never released by the McCanns themselves, for obvious reasons. It was released in a video, three years after Madeleine’s disappearance, by Madeleine’s godfather, Jon Corner, a Liverpool based film-maker. Even national newspapers commented that the photo was ill-chosen as she was dressed like a ‘Lolita’.

There was a ‘Twitterstorm’ of protest about it.

Asked for comments, the McCanns said that ‘Madeleine had been playing with Mummy’s dressing-up box.

THIS WAS ANOTHER PHOTO ABOUT WHICH THE MCCANNS APPEAR TO HAVE MADE A FALSE STATEMENT

On this photo, we can clearly see that an adult has placed a hair bead on her and hung a necklace around her neck. Also visible are two areas of eyeshadow and red lipstick which could not have been applied neatly by a three-year-old. Close-ups of the photo suggest that she even had black eyeliner around her eyes. She had then been photographed, clearly posed. Most observers agree that she does not look at all happy.

This was not Madeleine playing with her dressing-up box.

Moreover, CMOMM researchers noted that in the background was a yellow stucco wall similar to many apartments in Praia da Luz. In addition, comparing this photo with Photo 1 above (by the pool), it appeared highly probable that they were taken on the very same day. Madeleine’s hair length is identical. Madeleine is wearing a pink top in both photos, and she has a pink hair bead in both photos.

There is every likelihood therefore that the ‘Lolita’ photo was taken some time later the same day as the photo of Madeleine by the Ocean Club pool.

Astonishingly, the McCanns cannot produce one undisputed photograph of Madeleine taken later in the week. The only one they have produced, the so-called ‘Tennis Balls Photo’, is claimed to have been taken by two different people and on two entirely different days. Its true provenance cannot therefore be established.

The McCanns’ evidence on these and many other matters cannot be relied on - and in any event is often contradictory or seems deliberately confused..

So we conclude with these two questions.

Why do we not have even ONE undisputed photograph of Madeleine after these two photos were taken on Sunday 29 April?
Why do we not have even ONE independent witness statement to prove that Madeleine was alive after she was seen by María Serafim da Silva Espada at lunchtime the same day, Sunday 29 April

What happened to her after that?

by Erroll Garner 03.01.17 22:43

My Theory
Ritual killing later on the Sunday (30th April). Possibly attended by others at the resort, not limited to those in the tapas9. (eg. an MoD doctor based in Porton Down top secret military research centre; Bridget O'Donnell an ex-employee of the BBC who used to work for Crimewatch (yup, you can't make this sh**t up); her husband, Jez Wilkins, filmmaker for ITV, a billionaire steel magnate, and last but not least, a chief executive who had previously been involved in a company selling IVF diagnostic equipment - possibly involved in embryo research). The fact all Kate's children were apparently produced via IVF has been noted.

Then plans to remove the child's corpse initiated the following day. She's hidden in a bag in wardrobe in parents bedroom in the meantime. "She's just hiding in the cupboard, Kate tells herself. Other theory is that corpse was removed from the apartment more quickly than that after death.
Robert Murat, ex-pat and bilingual, knows the local area well, perfect for the job. Gerry McCann possibly meets Murat at Paradise golf club nearby on Tuesday 2nd May where plans are hatched to simulate an abduction. Murat will know where to hide/bury the body. (Murat returned to Portugal after a trip to UK on 30th April 2007).

So,plans are consolidated, the scene in the apartment created and the tapas7 bar alibi is put in place. Theory is: The more people are involved in the cover-up, the more water-tight the conspiracy. Perhaps those in the know (by this a mean fellow freemasons who arr part of the same occult system), those in the know in the British media are alerted and will duly begin the 'abduction fairytale' spin immediately - as occurred at 12.01am by the Daily Telegraph who published an online article of Madeline's abduction within 2 hours of it being reported to Police.

With all this in place, Gerry McCann then carries the corpse towards Murat's house - seen by Smith family who report to police giving an e-fit that is not released for another 5 years but resembles Gerry McCann. Mr Smith recognises him again on TV, also carrying a child. (An alibi is created for Gerry by the filmmaker, Jez Wilkins).
Around same time the alert is raised by Kate McCann. Now that her daughter's body has left the apartment, she realises her daughter has "gone" and has a massive grief melt-down, out of sync with actual events. ("She's gone, She's gone", is what Kate told her mother on the phone that night)

Not sure what happened next.... Within 3 weeks the McCanns had hired a car. Perhaps they went to help bury their daughter (for a last goodbye). In any case they had a "disposal aide" with them, possibly Murat. However, as there was no cadaver smell in Murat's house, suggests corpse was not taken in there but to a fourth unknown location. Murat being a local would know the layout of the area well, unlike the McCanns who had only stayed in the confines of the resort, without exploring.

Two months later, Gerry McCann flew to Washington for a couple of days, though we don't really know why. Then again we don't really know why they were travelling everywhere in Europe within weeks, including to the Vatican within 2 weeks of the disappearance. May be it was purgatory or for some elite "confession".
During this time when Kate was alone with twins without the influence and control of her husband as Gerry had flown to Washington, Kate - in a fit of guilt and with the initial aim of confessing - phoned the police about her dream: Madeline was buried on a hilltop. I've also heard reports that the dream was of Madeline's corpse on some rocks, presumably on the beach near the sea? Police searched a local hill and then sniffer dogs were deployed as a direct result. The pair were then made suspects. Police had enough evidence to charge the pair - but Gordon Brown stepped in - well, this is the excuse given. Lab evidence was purportedly tampered with.
However, with preliminary lab reports, the dogs' evidence and Kate's refusal to answer basic questions, Amaral should have arrested the parents and commenced preparation for trial. For all his regrets, Amaral failed to do this.
Within the same year or so, Gordon Brown was being blamed for one of the biggest financial crises for almost a century. A few more years later, in 2011, his 10 week baby daughter died in his arms.

by Guest 03.01.17 23:39

Get'emGonçalo wrote:WHAT HAPPENED TO MADELEINE AFTER THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN?

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Picture 1 – Madeleine by the Ocean Club Swimming Pool

The McCanns say that this photo of Madeleine was taken on the last day of their holiday, Thursday 3 May 2007.

BUT IT NOW SEEMS THAT THIS CLAIM WAS FALSE.

A team of researchers connected to CMOMM noted that the photo was taken on a hot, sunny day. That is obvious from the photo; Madeleine, her father and sisters are wearing light clothing, dipping their feet into the pool. And the two children have summer hats on. Gerry is wearing sunglasses and there is a sheen of perspiration on him. The photo was taken at around 2pm, when the sun is at its highest in southern Portugal at that time of year.
The weather on Thursday, however, was mostly cloudy, cool and windy - not warming up until well after 4pm that afternoon.
So when was it taken?

Saturday was hot and sunny – but the McCanns didn’t arrive at the Ocean Clun until late afternoon. So it could not have been taken on Saturday.

Sunday was hot and sunny.

The weather changed on Monday, becoming cloudier, cooler, windier and bringing some rain. It could not have been taken on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday.

This photo could only have been taken on the Sunday – four days before Madeleine was reported missing.

A CREDIBLE SIGHTING OF MADELEINE ON SUNDAY LUNCHTIME

A Portuguese witness gave detailed, independent confirmation that Madeleine was alive at lunchtime on the Sunday, shortly before the above photo was taken. It was a cleaner, María Serafim da Silva Espada. This was part of her witness statement to the Portuguese police:

She had the opportunity to observe the photos of Madeleine being circulated everywhere. She has no hesitation in confirming that she saw the child before her disappearance, in the company of her siblings and mother and father, although in the latter case she only observed him from a distance.

“She states that this took place on Sunday 29th April, just before she finished her morning work shift (1.30pm) as she had the afternoon off that day. At about 1.15pm, she went to help her mother, who was cleaning apartment I of the same block (5) situated on the first floor. She clearly remembers seeing Madeleine accompanied by her siblings and mother leave their apartment (5A) and walk to the stairs leading to the floor above. She was very close to them at a distance of about 1 metre, observing their movements for a few moments because she was charmed by them. Madeleine led the way with a plate (perhaps plastic) in her hand, bearing a piece of bread. As regards the clothes she was wearing she only remembers a skirt but cannot recall its description. She noted, because she thought them nice, the type of shoes she was wearing, tennis shoes, light in colour she thinks, which had little lights along the soles, which lit up each time she stepped on the ground. Her siblings followed behind her, wearing the same kind of shoes and each holding a piece of bread in their hands. Their mother followed behind them without holding their hands. She seems to remember that the mother was also carrying a plate. Moments afterwards, perhaps the time it took to close the apartment door, the father came out and also headed to the apartment upstairs”.

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There is no doubt that María Serafim da Silva Espada was describing Madeleine. Madeleine was wearing a dress, or smock top, that day, as can be seen on the above photo. Madeleine and her twin siblings did all have ‘light up’ shoes on that holiday.

But if we look at other claimed sightings of Madeleine that week, there are very few. There are of course claims made by the McCanns themselves, their Tapas 7 friends, and two creche nannies who were close to the McCanns – but none of these are truly independent witnesses, so their evidence cannot be relied on. Of the handful of other claimed sightings of Madeleine that week, all are vague and could just as easily refer to another young blonde girl.

There are no other independent sightings of Madeleine the whole week after this important one by María Serafim da Silva Espada at Sunday lunchtime.

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Picture 2 – Madeleine dressed by an adult as a ‘Lolita’

This strange picture was never released by the McCanns themselves, for obvious reasons. It was released in a video, three years after Madeleine’s disappearance, by Madeleine’s godfather, Jon Corner, a Liverpool based film-maker. Even national newspapers commented that the photo was ill-chosen as she was dressed like a ‘Lolita’.

There was a ‘Twitterstorm’ of protest about it.

Asked for comments, the McCanns said that ‘Madeleine had been playing with Mummy’s dressing-up box.

THIS WAS ANOTHER PHOTO ABOUT WHICH THE MCCANNS APPEAR TO HAVE MADE A FALSE STATEMENT

On this photo, we can clearly see that an adult has placed a hair bead on her and hung a necklace around her neck. Also visible are two areas of eyeshadow and red lipstick which could not have been applied neatly by a three-year-old. Close-ups of the photo suggest that she even had black eyeliner around her eyes. She had then been photographed, clearly posed. Most observers agree that she does not look at all happy.

This was not Madeleine playing with her dressing-up box.

Moreover, CMOMM researchers noted that in the background was a yellow stucco wall similar to many apartments in Praia da Luz. In addition, comparing this photo with Photo 1 above (by the pool), it appeared highly probable that they were taken on the very same day. Madeleine’s hair length is identical. Madeleine is wearing a pink top in both photos, and she has a pink hair bead in both photos.

There is every likelihood therefore that the ‘Lolita’ photo was taken some time later the same day as the photo of Madeleine by the Ocean Club pool.

Astonishingly, the McCanns cannot produce one undisputed photograph of Madeleine taken later in the week. The only one they have produced, the so-called ‘Tennis Balls Photo’, is claimed to have been taken by two different people and on two entirely different days. Its true provenance cannot therefore be established.

The McCanns’ evidence on these and many other matters cannot be relied on - and in any event is often contradictory or seems deliberately confused..

So we conclude with these two questions.

Why do we not have even ONE undisputed photograph of Madeleine after these two photos were taken on Sunday 29 April?
Why do we not have even ONE independent witness statement to prove that Madeleine was alive after she was seen by María Serafim da Silva Espada at lunchtime the same day, Sunday 29 April

What happened to her after that?

Excellent summation to conclude 2016 and an excellent starting point for 2017. Onward and upward..

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by Erroll Garner 06.01.17 18:01

My Theory (continued from above)

On 28th May 2007 (Day 26), the McCanns hired a rental car, reportedly from Faro airport. I don't know if they went to Faro to collect the car.
One theory is that they drove (possibly directly from Faro airport) North.
On putting "Madeleine McCann" into Google Maps it came up with "Madeleine McCann's crib" in Sao Miguel do Rio Torto, which lies around 100 miles East of Lisbon and is a rural area. Possible that McCanns, or perhaps Gerry alone, took Madeleine's corpse from another unknown location (aided by Robert Murat in this regard) up North with intention to bury and hide for good.
Possible that, if Kate didn't go on first trip - MAYBE ON THE 28th MAY 2007 - she went there with Gerry later. An opportunity to do this would've been on 7th June when they drove to Lisbon to take a connecting flight to Morocco. Some have questioned why the McCanns didn't fly directly from Faro to Morocco (as presumably there was a flight path from there)The parents may have even made another trip, a third trip, as altogether they clocked up a wopping 1700 miles on the car's milometer. Gerry attempted to explain this away by saying these were trips made to and fro Faro airport. However, this would mean at least 11 trips altogether. I doubt the McCanns coujld have made so many trips given the media glare and the police scrutiny that undoubtedly would have started around the time they had this car.
After disposing of corpse on 28th May they then flew to Rome on Sir Phillip Green's private jet and saw Pope Benedict the following day. This was the most emotional and upset I have seen Kate in public. Could it be because she had buried her daughter just 2 days earlier and the Rome trip was purgatory and somewhat akin to an "elite confession" - sponsored by Phillip Green?

by sammyc 06.01.17 21:39

I'm calling BS on 'ritual killing'. It may go on but you wouldn't put yourself in the World media spotlight for nigh on 10 years if that's your scene.

by Guest 06.01.17 23:36

The Renault Scenic was not hired at Faro, it was hired at nearby Lagos.

The extensive mileage covered a period of three months, not three day.

There is no reason to suppose the McCanns didn't make frequent trips between Praia da Luz and Faro airport, considering the constant coming and going of friends and relatives.

They did clock-up considerable mileage on a trip to Huelva in Southern Spain on a public holiday. Allegedly, they intended to make the trip on a particular day, which happened to coincide with the dogs search and Gerald's stomach upset. The trip was postponed until the following day - the public holiday.

There is no evidence to suggest the McCanns made trips to the Lisbon area other than recorded in the files.

If Madeleine's remains had been taken to a secret location for enterrement, they're hardly likely to name it Madeleine's Crib - are they? Not sure but I think this nonsense was instigated by a less than reliable self-opinionated American woman who rubs shoulders with other dubious characters.

The European tour, including the visit to the Vatican and Morocco, was organised by the UK government Media Monintoring Unit representative, Clarence Mitchell, in liaison with the diplomatic corps.

The European tour was pre-arranged. You can't organize a tour of that magnitude in a matter of hours. It requires planning and precision timing.

There were no scheduled direct non-stop flights between Faro airport and Casablanca/Rabat airport.

Scheduled direct non-stop flights were available between Lisbon and Casablanca/Rabat by Portuguese national airline and Royal Air Maroc.

The McCanns were met by embassy officials in Lisbon before flying to Morocco.

Bang goes another theory! If you're going to build castles in the air, at least use facts and evidence to lay the foundation.

Sorry boss - very much offtopic

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by Guest 07.01.17 12:43

Get'emGonçalo wrote:WHAT HAPPENED TO MADELEINE AFTER THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN?

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Picture 1 – Madeleine by the Ocean Club Swimming Pool

The McCanns say that this photo of Madeleine was taken on the last day of their holiday, Thursday 3 May 2007.

BUT IT NOW SEEMS THAT THIS CLAIM WAS FALSE.

A team of researchers connected to CMOMM noted that the photo was taken on a hot, sunny day. That is obvious from the photo; Madeleine, her father and sisters are wearing light clothing, dipping their feet into the pool. And the two children have summer hats on. Gerry is wearing sunglasses and there is a sheen of perspiration on him. The photo was taken at around 2pm, when the sun is at its highest in southern Portugal at that time of year.
The weather on Thursday, however, was mostly cloudy, cool and windy - not warming up until well after 4pm that afternoon.
So when was it taken?

Saturday was hot and sunny – but the McCanns didn’t arrive at the Ocean Clun until late afternoon. So it could not have been taken on Saturday.

Sunday was hot and sunny.

The weather changed on Monday, becoming cloudier, cooler, windier and bringing some rain. It could not have been taken on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday.

This photo could only have been taken on the Sunday – four days before Madeleine was reported missing.

A CREDIBLE SIGHTING OF MADELEINE ON SUNDAY LUNCHTIME

A Portuguese witness gave detailed, independent confirmation that Madeleine was alive at lunchtime on the Sunday, shortly before the above photo was taken. It was a cleaner, María Serafim da Silva Espada. This was part of her witness statement to the Portuguese police:

She had the opportunity to observe the photos of Madeleine being circulated everywhere. She has no hesitation in confirming that she saw the child before her disappearance, in the company of her siblings and mother and father, although in the latter case she only observed him from a distance.

“She states that this took place on Sunday 29th April, just before she finished her morning work shift (1.30pm) as she had the afternoon off that day. At about 1.15pm, she went to help her mother, who was cleaning apartment I of the same block (5) situated on the first floor. She clearly remembers seeing Madeleine accompanied by her siblings and mother leave their apartment (5A) and walk to the stairs leading to the floor above. She was very close to them at a distance of about 1 metre, observing their movements for a few moments because she was charmed by them. Madeleine led the way with a plate (perhaps plastic) in her hand, bearing a piece of bread. As regards the clothes she was wearing she only remembers a skirt but cannot recall its description. She noted, because she thought them nice, the type of shoes she was wearing, tennis shoes, light in colour she thinks, which had little lights along the soles, which lit up each time she stepped on the ground. Her siblings followed behind her, wearing the same kind of shoes and each holding a piece of bread in their hands. Their mother followed behind them without holding their hands. She seems to remember that the mother was also carrying a plate. Moments afterwards, perhaps the time it took to close the apartment door, the father came out and also headed to the apartment upstairs”.

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There is no doubt that María Serafim da Silva Espada was describing Madeleine. Madeleine was wearing a dress, or smock top, that day, as can be seen on the above photo. Madeleine and her twin siblings did all have ‘light up’ shoes on that holiday.

But if we look at other claimed sightings of Madeleine that week, there are very few. There are of course claims made by the McCanns themselves, their Tapas 7 friends, and two creche nannies who were close to the McCanns – but none of these are truly independent witnesses, so their evidence cannot be relied on. Of the handful of other claimed sightings of Madeleine that week, all are vague and could just as easily refer to another young blonde girl.

There are no other independent sightings of Madeleine the whole week after this important one by María Serafim da Silva Espada at Sunday lunchtime.

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Picture 2 – Madeleine dressed by an adult as a ‘Lolita’

This strange picture was never released by the McCanns themselves, for obvious reasons. It was released in a video, three years after Madeleine’s disappearance, by Madeleine’s godfather, Jon Corner, a Liverpool based film-maker. Even national newspapers commented that the photo was ill-chosen as she was dressed like a ‘Lolita’.

There was a ‘Twitterstorm’ of protest about it.

Asked for comments, the McCanns said that ‘Madeleine had been playing with Mummy’s dressing-up box.

THIS WAS ANOTHER PHOTO ABOUT WHICH THE MCCANNS APPEAR TO HAVE MADE A FALSE STATEMENT

On this photo, we can clearly see that an adult has placed a hair bead on her and hung a necklace around her neck. Also visible are two areas of eyeshadow and red lipstick which could not have been applied neatly by a three-year-old. Close-ups of the photo suggest that she even had black eyeliner around her eyes. She had then been photographed, clearly posed. Most observers agree that she does not look at all happy.

This was not Madeleine playing with her dressing-up box.

Moreover, CMOMM researchers noted that in the background was a yellow stucco wall similar to many apartments in Praia da Luz. In addition, comparing this photo with Photo 1 above (by the pool), it appeared highly probable that they were taken on the very same day. Madeleine’s hair length is identical. Madeleine is wearing a pink top in both photos, and she has a pink hair bead in both photos.

There is every likelihood therefore that the ‘Lolita’ photo was taken some time later the same day as the photo of Madeleine by the Ocean Club pool.

Astonishingly, the McCanns cannot produce one undisputed photograph of Madeleine taken later in the week. The only one they have produced, the so-called ‘Tennis Balls Photo’, is claimed to have been taken by two different people and on two entirely different days. Its true provenance cannot therefore be established.

The McCanns’ evidence on these and many other matters cannot be relied on - and in any event is often contradictory or seems deliberately confused..

So we conclude with these two questions.

Why do we not have even ONE undisputed photograph of Madeleine after these two photos were taken on Sunday 29 April?

Why do we not have even ONE independent witness statement to prove that Madeleine was alive after she was seen by María Serafim da Silva Espada at lunchtime the same day, Sunday 29 April

What happened to her after that?

This very simple outstanding clue will not go away.

Why the absence of photographs, not just Madeleine but the twins and the parents themselves - or even the rest of the group and their children. This is just not normal, on holiday families take scores of photographs, particularly of their children. Even if the group were 'so into each other', still they had their family time together in the apartment; at the playground; around the pool; having lunch; having tea at the Tapas with the other kids; at the beach - apparently!

Why no photographs? This I know is not definitive proof of absence but it sure is a strong indication worthy of investigation.

The PJ under the watchful eye of Goncalo Amaral (a very Happy New Year to you sir howdy

), wanted access to the groups photographs but all they got was what can been seen in the PJ files. Initially is wasn't necessarily because the McCanns or any of their friends were under suspicion so if they were all guilt free what was the problem? Could it be that there weren't any photographs to produce apart from Madeleine in the playground, Madeleine at the pool side and what would appear to be a makeshift solitary Madeleine on a barren tennis court? I'm inclined to think that is the reason.

In preference to asking fellow holidaymakers to send their photographs to the PJ or the UK police, why did Jim Gamble, ex of the CEOP, make a public appeal for photographs to be sent to him? What did Madeleine's disappearance have to do with the remit of the CEOP at that early stage? Could it be that snaps taken by other tourists might have shown a family minus one of their children? I'm inclined to think that is the reason.

Family and friends coming and going; mobile phones coming and going; laptops coming and going; cameras coming and going?

Anyone who has experienced personal trauma will know how it affects customary daily life. Little things you would normally do as a matter of course (like taking photographs) go right out of the window - you don't function normally, you forget what you have and haven't done. Could this be why the absence of friends photographs during the week? I'm inclined to think that is the reason.

by Erroll Garner 07.01.17 18:11

sammyc wrote:I'm calling BS on 'ritual killing'. It may go on but you wouldn't put yourself in the World media spotlight for nigh on 10 years if that's your scene.

The case is still not really closed - no abductor, no killer, no body.
Had it been a free-masonic group killing in the UK, as allegedly the Soham murders were, Robert Murat would have been framed good and proper, even though the group knew he had some involvement in it, and even if the group knew that Murat's hand was not the final blow (metaphorically speaking), that actually caused the child's death. Murat would not have been allowed to expose the truth and the State's criminality, for fear of a secret death penalty being imposed on him. Hence, if in the UK he wold be languishing in prison now, and Madeleine would have been forgotten by the public. (On saying that, regarding Soham murders, I do think Ian Huntley was innocent of any crime and that he was framed).
There are loose ends because despite McCanns attempts to simulate an abduction, as part of the "truth of the lie", this did not hold. As a result, the State spin doctors, at the behest of Tony Blair, who was expert at spinning lies to a "unaware and compliant" electorate, were sent to constantly keep the lie in public view. Theory was that as long as they kept repeating it, the public would accept it as true. This is largely the case.

by Erroll Garner 07.01.17 18:19

Verdi wrote:
They did clock-up considerable mileage on a trip to Huelva in Southern Spain on a public holiday. Allegedly, they intended to make the trip on a particular day, which happened to coincide with the dogs search and Gerald's stomach upset. The trip was postponed until the following day - the public holiday.

There is no evidence to suggest the McCanns made trips to the Lisbon area other than recorded in the files.

If Madeleine's remains had been taken to a secret location for enterrement, they're hardly likely to name it Madeleine's Crib - are they? Not sure but I think this nonsense was instigated by a less than reliable self-opinionated American woman who rubs shoulders with other dubious characters.

I'm not American. I simply put "Madeleine McCann" into Google maps in response to a jokey sarcastic tweet about the missing girl's whereabouts. You can seen it on @RoadrunnerA
I was stunned and shocked by what actually came up - "Madeleine Mccann's crib". I have heard of other instances such as this where Google maps appears to gain artificial intelligence. There was a British psychic who said the girl was buried at a location just 70 miles north of the one given recently by Google maps.
These very specific coordinates are puzzling, if not of some concern.

You also mention the McCann's various journeys - but as the car was not tracked by Police, all possibly journeys cannot possibly be confirmed.
If all trips were meticulously planned, seems odd that they would decide to hire a car just before leaving for the Vatican.

by Guest 07.01.17 19:26

So how come when I type "Madeleine McCann" in Google maps I get nothing?

by **Nina** 07.01.17 19:32

BlueBag wrote:So how come when I type "Madeleine McCann" in Google maps I get nothing?

That is what I typed in and that is what came up,please, believe me, I rarely comment now as feel the muddying of waters label is added to folk far too swiftly, and I am not a newby, just very reluctant to disagree.

by Guest 07.01.17 19:35

So I typed "Madeleine McCann's Crib" in Google instead.

Just 5 results....

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All in different places, no mention in the actual link of a crib except one.

All links are to the "Around" hotel search website.

The "Around" website is messed up for some reason and someone may have been playing games with it by entering hotels that don't exist (for a laugh).

Google maps probably trawled the "Around" website and it's untrawled it now - flagged as spam probably. It's been removed from various "Around" pages.

Funny.. ha.. ha.. not.

by Guest 07.01.17 19:47

Oh this is good.

"Around" gets its hotel references from Trip Advisor amongst others.

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Someone has been playing.

by **Nina** 07.01.17 19:49

BlueBag wrote:So I typed "Madeleine McCann's Crib" in Google instead.

Just 5 results....

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All in different places, no mention in the actual link of a crib except one.

All links are to the "Around" hotel search website.

The "Around" website is messed up for some reason and someone may have been playing games with it by entering hotels that don't exist (for a laugh).

Google maps probably trawled the "Around" website and it's untrawled it now - flagged as spam probably. It's been removed from various "Around" pages.

Funny.. ha.. ha.. not.

Pleased you picked that up, I too thought it was linked to an hotel/hostel.
I just posted the link sans comment.

by Guest 07.01.17 20:09

Someone just created a fictitious hotel in Luz using Google maps.

There is a function to add places.

I hope they can delete it later.

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by Guest 07.01.17 20:54

BlueBag wrote:So how come when I type "Madeleine McCann" in Google maps I get nothing?

Through sheer curiosity I also typed Madeleine McCann in Google maps before previously posting - I also got nothing. So I typed in Madeleine McCann crib and as far as I remember, it came up with a street name and some reference to 'lodging' in the side panel and just 'madeleine mccann's crib' in the middle of the map with a bed underneath.

My immediate thought was someone is playing a childish sick game. Can't elaborate because it's gone.

by Guest 07.01.17 21:20

Verdi, you can create locations and location types and they will be published in Google maps.

It's in a drop down menu option.

That is what I think has happened.

Someone is having a little joke.

by Guest 07.01.17 23:17

jou

Erroll Garner wrote:
Verdi wrote:
They did clock-up considerable mileage on a trip to Huelva in Southern Spain on a public holiday. Allegedly, they intended to make the trip on a particular day, which happened to coincide with the dogs search and Gerald's stomach upset. The trip was postponed until the following day - the public holiday.

There is no evidence to suggest the McCanns made trips to the Lisbon area other than recorded in the files.

If Madeleine's remains had been taken to a secret location for enterrement, they're hardly likely to name it Madeleine's Crib - are they? Not sure but I think this nonsense was instigated by a less than reliable self-opinionated American woman who rubs shoulders with other dubious characters.
I'm not American. I simply put "Madeleine McCann" into Google maps in response to a jokey sarcastic tweet about the missing girl's whereabouts. You can seen it on @RoadrunnerA
I was stunned and shocked by what actually came up - "Madeleine Mccann's crib". I have heard of other instances such as this where Google maps appears to gain artificial intelligence. There was a British psychic who said the girl was buried at a location just 70 miles north of the one given recently by Google maps.
These very specific coordinates are puzzling, if not of some concern.

You also mention the McCann's various journeys - but as the car was not tracked by Police, all possibly journeys cannot possibly be confirmed.
If all trips were meticulously planned, seems odd that they would decide to hire a car just before leaving for the Vatican.

1. I didn't think or even suggest that you are American.

2. I can't see anything on @RoadrunnerA because a) I haven't a clue where that might be and b) I'm not remotely interested in jokey sarcastic tweets.

3. Google maps does not gain 'artificial intelligence'.

4. I don't believe in mystic powers so I must pass on psychic predilections so I can see no puzzle nor concern.

5. There is no available information to correlate the psychics vision.

6. Agreed, the hired Renault Scenic was not tracked by the PJ, so all possibly journeys cannot possibly be confirmed [sic] but there is nothing to be gained by inventing trips without any evidence to suppose they happened.

7. Agreed, it does appear strange that the Renault Scenic was hired at that particular juncture. It should however be noted that Kate McCann's cousins husband, Michael Wright of Skipton Yorkshire (another prime candidate for the rogues gallery), was a named driver on the car hire contract. It could be argued that the hire was initially for his use.

I really can't go along with your imaginary scenarios, presented with little or no factual evidence to support them. I'll leave you to pontificate as your imagination guides you.

by Guest 07.01.17 23:27

BlueBag wrote:
Someone is having a little joke.

Ha bloody ha - excuse me whilst I split my sides laughing! Seems to me there are more out there trying to sabotage the attempts to find the truth than there are truth seekers.

How sad! I would laugh to see a pudding crawl but I can't see anything remotely funny about tragedy - the stand-up comedians and other jokers seem to get away with it without censure but I think it's in extremely bad taste and totally unnecessary.

by Erroll Garner 10.01.17 1:55

Verdi wrote:jou
Erroll Garner wrote:
Verdi wrote:5. There is no available information to correlate the psychics vision.

6. Agreed, the hired Renault Scenic was not tracked by the PJ, so all possibly journeys cannot possibly be confirmed [sic] but there is nothing to be gained by inventing trips without any evidence to suppose they happened.

7. Agreed, it does appear strange that the Renault Scenic was hired at that particular juncture. It should however be noted that Kate McCann's cousins husband, Michael Wright of Skipton Yorkshire (another prime candidate for the rogues gallery), was a named driver on the car hire contract. It could be argued that the hire was initially for his use.

Hardly think Google maps" could be accurately described as a "psychic". If you have any information to the contrary, be pleased if you shared it, as you did mention "artificial intelligence".

You initially invented trips made by the McCanns, to and from Faro airport, when there is no evidence to support this.

If Michael Wright wanted to hire a car he could have done this under his own name. There is no evidence to suggest this person drove the car. There is only photo/video evidence of Gerry McCann driving the car and a witness statement to the Police where his sister Trish implies she drove the car.

You should do some research before making up pretend scenarios just to support the Mccanns, who for all intents and purposes, the majority of the public believe are implicated in their daughter's disappearance.

by Erroll Garner 10.01.17 2:00

BlueBag wrote:Verdi, you can create locations and location types and they will be published in Google maps.

It's in a drop down menu option.

That is what I think has happened.

Someone is having a little joke.

This location was not created by me. There was no drop down menu. It simply appeared when "Madeleine McCann was typed into the search.
I don't know how it happened but your rational explanation does not fit in to what happened, though I am willing to hear any alternatives.
Sadly, without a body and/or a confession, the case is closed.

by Erroll Garner 10.01.17 2:10

BlueBag wrote:So how come when I type "Madeleine McCann" in Google maps I get nothing?

No idea. When I put it in immediately reverted to "Madeleine McCann's crib" - no drop down menu and then on street view I ended up in this village 100 miles east of Lisbon. It was no joke and I thought it was quite shocking. Believe me, I have looked into a few possible rational explanations and found none.
You can ignore i if you please. Others on this blog, such as [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], have said I am sabotaging the case.
Unfortunately, without a body and/or a confession, there is no case.

by Guest 10.01.17 7:12

Erroll Garner wrote:

This location was not created by me. There was no drop down menu.

I'm not saying it was you, but someone did.

And there is a drop down menu in Google maps to add places.

Clever Google get the public to update their maps for free - they don't employ a team of people to update the whole world.

by skyrocket 10.01.17 9:22

Although I 100% concur with @BlueBags opinion that someone has been taking the **** on Google Maps, I have opened/closed it 3 times and typed in Madeleine McCann and each time it HAS come up with the single entry drop down menu showing 'Madeleine McCann's Crib'. It shows northeast of Lisbon in the middle of what looks like an olive grove.

I'll repeat that I don't give any weight what-so-ever to this, but to be fair @Errol Garner is not mistaken in his/her finding.

by Guest 10.01.17 11:19

I see it now. I didn't before.

It's the 4th one in this list:
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Someone has updated google maps a few times before - it has been approved then later deleted.

The current one will probably get deleted at some point.

Sick people.

by Guest 10.01.17 12:32

Erroll Garner wrote:You initially invented trips made by the McCanns, to and from Faro airport, when there is no evidence to support this.

If Michael Wright wanted to hire a car he could have done this under his own name. There is no evidence to suggest this person drove the car. There is only photo/video evidence of Gerry McCann driving the car and a witness statement to the Police where his sister Trish implies she drove the car.

You should do some research before making up pretend scenarios just to support the Mccanns, who for all intents and purposes, the majority of the public believe are implicated in their daughter's disappearance.

Never has my ghast been so flabbered!

Here goes - just for the record..

Gerry McCann arguido interview: 7th September 2007

When questioned, he says he is the usual driver of the car. In addition to G. the car could also be driven by his wife Kate, sister in law Sandy and a cousin of Kate's by the name Michael [Wright].

Michael Wright rogatory interview: 16th April 2008

At the time I travelled with Anne-Marie on 8 June, Kate and Gerry had rented a vehicle. It had seven seats, I judged [thought] it to be a Renault Espace. Gerry suggested that I be added to the insured driver's list so that I could drive it while they were in Morocco, but I judged [thought] that to be unnecessary as they would only be gone for a few days. When I was in Portugal on 12 July I was picked up by Kate who was driving the Renault Espace.

It was on our trip to Portugal on 22 August that Gerry suggested that I was added to the contract as an additional driver and I accepted. Gerry and I went to Lagos and I was included in the contract as additional driver.

I drove the car regularly in August and September, doing the shopping at the supermarket, taking the house and garden rubbish to the recycling area in PdL and also taking the twins to creche and to the beach, and trips to the airport. I was also a passenger in the car at various times, mainly in June and July when Gerry and Sandy drove.
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I seriously think you should read back over your history on this forum, particularly your theory parts 1 and 2, before commenting on other members knowledge of the case. I'm not sure you even know what you've written let alone understand what you've read.

Please don't waste any more of my time. I bid you goodbye!

by NickE 24.01.17 19:35

IMO, Whatever happened on Sunday they were ready for it and they would probably staged the abduction earlier, Sunday/Monday night?

This statement says alot:

Luisa Ana de Noronha de Azevedo Coutinho

Occupation: Receptionist

Place of work: Ocean Club

She remembers that on Sunday 29th April one of the elements of the group arrived with the child Madeleine McCann, she does not know his name and can only say that he was male and tall and thin and that he approached her to request a booking for the whole group, for the whole week and always at 20.30.

When questioned, she confirms that the man was not the father of the girl but one of the members of the group whom was often seen in his company.

The man justified his request by saying that the group had many small children whom they would leave alone when they went to dine. She said that at intervals some two parents would go to the apartments to see if everything was OK.
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This is well educated Doctors and this Tapas member went in to the reception to tell the Receptionist that they would leave their children alone in the dark when there was a Babysitting service free of charge during this time!!??

Never, I think he was "raising a flag" that the children were "alone".

by **Nina** 24.01.17 20:28

NickE wrote:IMO, Whatever happened on Sunday they were ready for it and they would probably staged the abduction earlier, Sunday/Monday night?

This statement says alot:

Luisa Ana de Noronha de Azevedo Coutinho

Occupation: Receptionist

Place of work: Ocean Club

She remembers that on Sunday 29th April one of the elements of the group arrived with the child Madeleine McCann, she does not know his name and can only say that he was male and tall and thin and that he approached her to request a booking for the whole group, for the whole week and always at 20.30.

When questioned, she confirms that the man was not the father of the girl but one of the members of the group whom was often seen in his company.

The man justified his request by saying that the group had many small children whom they would leave alone when they went to dine. She said that at intervals some two parents would go to the apartments to see if everything was OK.
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This is well educated Doctors and this Tapas member went in to reception to tell the Receptionist that they would leave their children alone in the dark when there was a Babysitting service free of charge during this time!!??

Never, I think he was "raising a flag" that the childen were alone.

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The man justified his request by saying that the group had many small children whom they would leave alone when they went to dine. She said that at intervals some two parents would go to the apartments to see if everything was OK.

I wonder if this means that the man said that two parents would go at intervals to check that everything was ok, as in to justify leaving them alone, or, that it was witnessed that two parents left the restaurant to check the apartments?

by **sandancer** 24.01.17 22:28

As this was Sunday 29 th and they only arrived on Saturday , how could a receptionist confirm the child Was Madeleine and the man was not her father ?

If she was going by the photo put out for the search which looked nothing like Madeleine at that time this does not hold water !

Who would broadcast the fact that the children were being left alone ?

Setting the scene already ?

by Roxyroo 25.01.17 1:01

BlueBag wrote:
Erroll Garner wrote:

This location was not created by me. There was no drop down menu.
I'm not saying it was you, but someone did.

And there is a drop down menu in Google maps to add places.

Clever Google get the public to update their maps for free - they don't employ a team of people to update the whole world.

Well said Blue Bag, that literally made me laugh out loud!
Clever old Google