NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

by **Tony Bennett** 15.11.16 23:07

I have read about the claims of the Clinton entourage, the Podesta brothers, claims of widespread child trafficking, child sexual abuse, occult rituals etc. The code words for paedophlia and so on.

I will place just one three-minute video here which - WARNING - does contains some short graphic scenes - but has given me enough information to suggest that the Clinton cronies were into child trafficking and child sexual abuse...and worse, if that is possible:

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Not fully trusting my own judgment, I would like help from anyone here who can point me EITHER to sites which tell me that this is just conspiracy nonsense and mountains being made out of molehills - OR to sites which give RELIABLE information about whether this is really as bad as it seems to be.

I would be most grateful. I simply want to know if all this is just fantasy - or fact.

Thank you for any contributions

by willowthewisp 16.11.16 11:29

Hi Mr Bennett,The youtube video has coded messages which may or may not be True?
The abuse of Children has gone on for decades,which we are now finding is on a very large scale and the European Union tried its damnedest to withhold large amounts of Evidence in the Marc Dutroux,murders and Rape cases,which he and his Wife were found guilty of in the 1980's.
They had to conclude what they had uncovered in those cases,but they still tried to hide just how massive the abuse problem was and it went to the top of the pillars of Society spreading to different Continents,"Bohemia Grove"Skull & Crossbones,CIA Operatives?
IICSA has yet to determine any "Factual Evidence" in its trawling for Evidence from within the Remit guide lines?
Was the"Remit"given the Structure too large to succeed in what was to be determined of such a massive alleged"Paedophile Ring" dating back Five decades or more?
We have seen the Modus Operandi in the UK Care Home System,Kincora Boys Home,Bryn Alyn,Estyn,Elm Guest House and a number of London Boroughs "Child Abuse failings,Haute Da La Gurane,Jersey?
Perhaps the"Establishment" has realised that unproved evidence has become aired to the Public domain by numerous Newspapers printed for the readers to digest over these five decades,that the"Genie"cannot fit back into the Bottle,but like a Nasty obnoxious gas it will fade away into the Environment absorbed by the Earths Atmosphere,No longer Poisonous to the system of Government?

by Snifferdog 16.11.16 11:40

Tony it's not conspiracy nonsense. I dislike the words conspiracy theory as it is used to shut down any enquirer and any dissent by ridicule.
These brave and good people who do these exposés at their own personal risk, cost and expense, they do research out of the goodness of their hearts and because they care for their fellow man.

From Dutroux, Saville, Jon Bennet and those you mention above, plus many of their family and close acquaintances, I believe to be all part of a world wide child abuse ring.

The Mccann's have huge protection - from the very top.
I believe we can rightly conclude this from all the evidence to date.
It is also my belief that there is a huge worldwide child Paedophile ring encompassing all walks of life.

These people to whom I'm alluding are practicing satanists and they all have the potential to blackmail each other so that each must cover for the other should there be any investigations in their doings.
This is how they protect themselves.

Tony, if you compared the photo of that poor little girl I posted and which was subsequently removed by the mods), to one of the much younger baby photos of Madeleine, you may see the resemblance clearly. I think most of the photos of Madeleine in the public domain have been retouched, whereas the younger baby ones have not.

It is a sad, cruel photo, but it does bring a reality home and awaken good people, precisely because it is shocking.

A picture truly paints a thousand words.

by Guest 16.11.16 11:58

I'd be inclined to give the Underground Resistance Network a very wide berth. I'm very suspicious of these anonymous organisations - who knows what their true motive is?

The video looks and sounds like a spoof to me but there appears to be numerous videos on the same subject listed on YouTube - until I see connections with Madeleine McCann's disappearance (abduction) galore. If that's an example of the Underground Resistance Network's prowess, then I think it can be safely ignored!

Having said that, there has been much rumoured over the years about the Clintons penchant for witchery, particularly Hillary Clinton. Might be wrong but I have a vague recollection that she once openly admitted her association with witchcraft. Here's another anonymous source that throws out a few names in addition to sordid detail - not for the faint-hearted, a very unsavoury subject..

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by **Tony Bennett** 16.11.16 12:30

Snifferdog wrote:Tony it's not conspiracy nonsense. I dislike the words conspiracy theory as it is used to shut down any enquirer and any dissent by ridicule.

These brave and good people who do these exposés at their own personal risk, cost and expense, they do research out of the goodness of their hearts and because they care for their fellow man.

From Dutroux, Saville, JonBenet and those you mention above, plus many of their family and close acquaintances, I believe to be all part of a world wide child abuse ring.

The McCanns have huge protection - from the very top. I believe we can rightly conclude this from all the evidence to date.

It is also my belief that there is a huge worldwide child paedophile ring encompassing all walks of life.

These people to whom I'm alluding are practicing satanists and they all have the potential to blackmail each other so that each must cover for the other should there be any investigations in their doings.

This is how they protect themselves.

Tony, if you compared the photo of that poor little girl I posted and which was subsequently removed by the mods), to one of the much younger baby photos of Madeleine, you may see the resemblance clearly. I think most of the photos of Madeleine in the public domain have been retouched, whereas the younger baby ones have not.

It is a sad, cruel photo, but it does bring a reality home and awaken good people, precisely because it is shocking.

A picture truly paints a thousand words.

Yes, it looks like we are getting a rare glimpse into a truly awful world that may, as you say, be much bigger than we want to believe.

I am hoping that either here on CMOMM or elsewhere we will get some handle on what exactly is true about the allegations surrounding the Clinton-Podesta entourage. Wild claims can be made, so if anyone here can sort the wheat from the chaff, the truth from the fiction, then please share your assessment of this- and give us authoritative links.

And thank you @ Snifferdog for bringing this issue to the forum.

[ Finally, you mention 'Satanism'. IIRC you are also a fellow-believer in Jesus Christ. It follows therefore that we must also together believe in a real and evil entity, Satan, who tempts people to carry out these truly sickening activities. I think you would probably agree with me that, if we read Luke 4 vv 1-14 (the temptation of Christ for 40 days in the wilderness), what we have here is an account very real encounter between our Lord and the real entity - the real personality - of Satan, the Devil. ]

by Guest 16.11.16 12:48

The 'spirit cooking' is verified in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

It is also claimed that John Podesta tried to whitewash evidence of 'nude teenage art' which he collects. However the amount of coverage on this (just google 'podesta teenager') makes me question if it was ever really covered up at all.

Definitely something bizarre going on at Besta/Comet. That 'comedy routine' in the video makes zero sense to me after two or three watches, but looking at archived Instagram posts that are now [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], I think its safe to say the place was definitely not 'family friendly' outside their initial facade. What the implications of that are, I do not know.

by Roxyroo 16.11.16 15:07

Verdi wrote:I'd be inclined to give the Underground Resistance Network a very wide berth. I'm very suspicious of these anonymous organisations - who knows what their true motive is?

The video looks and sounds like a spoof to me but there appears to be numerous videos on the same subject listed on YouTube - until I see connections with Madeleine McCann's disappearance (abduction) galore. If that's an example of the Underground Resistance Network's prowess, then I think it can be safely ignored!

Having said that, there has been much rumoured over the years about the Clintons penchant for witchery, particularly Hillary Clinton. Might be wrong but I have a vague recollection that she once openly admitted her association with witchcraft. Here's another anonymous source that throws out a few names in addition to sordid detail - not for the faint-hearted, a very unsavoury subject..

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Verdi, either Bill or Hillary states in their autobiography that they have taken part in seances to speak to the spirits of I think it was Eisenhowers wife, I may be wrong about who they contacted but its in there all right. And the yes The Underground News Network may be dodgy but the emails from Podesta and leaked by wikileaks are very much real.

The problem is that if the MSM choose to ignore something such as this story it never becomes a scandal therefore most people tend to still think it can't be true if its only on the web.

Even if we don't personally believe in good v evil, God v. Satan, THEY DO, which is the worrying thing to me.

by Roxyroo 16.11.16 15:11

April28th wrote:The 'spirit cooking' is verified in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

It is also claimed that John Podesta tried to whitewash evidence of 'nude teenage art' which he collects. However the amount of coverage on this (just google 'podesta teenager') makes me question if it was ever really covered up at all.

Definitely something bizarre going on at Besta/Comet. That 'comedy routine' in the video makes zero sense to me after two or three watches, but looking at archived Instagram posts that are now [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], I think its safe to say the place was definitely not 'family friendly' outside their initial facade. What the implications of that are, I do not know.

After watching Marina Abramovics "Art" I assumed that the video clip from inside Comet Pizza was a performer talking about one of these gargoyle/voo doo dolls that she instills the spirits from the "spirit cooking" into. I may be wrong though...

by Guest 16.11.16 15:34

Roxyroo wrote:
The problem is that if the MSM choose to ignore something such as this story it never becomes a scandal therefore most people tend to still think it can't be true if its only on the web.

Conversely, there are many people who believe it MUST be true because it's on the web and not reported by mainstream media.

Wikileaks - hmmm..

I picked this up on the wikileaks website yesterday..

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I think there are a lot of people out there who would be prepared to lie, or at least bend the truth, for the sake of £20,000 - nice little earner! Call me a conspiracy theorist smilie

but who knows what wikileaks is really all about? I don't.

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by Roxyroo 16.11.16 17:30

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I had a look at the link, thankyou. I do wonder though why it denies only those two specific emails coming from Podesta? From what I can tell Wikileaks has proven that they all came from his outbox because of the email server. They pride themselves on only releasing information that has been verified and checked and re-checked again. But I suppose we will never know for sure, unless the FBI DO continue the investigation, after the Weinergate affair.

The photo of the child duct-taped to the table, from the owner of planet pizza, shared on his facebook, cannot be explained so easily away as just alt-right propaganda though. If it wasn't a big secret he should've left it all up, but he made all his social media private as soon as the story broke.

by Guest 16.11.16 20:59

Roxyroo wrote:
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I had a look at the link, thankyou. I do wonder though why it denies only those two specific emails coming from Podesta? From what I can tell Wikileaks has proven that they all came from his outbox because of the email server. They pride themselves on only releasing information that has been verified and checked and re-checked again. But I suppose we will never know for sure, unless the FBI DO continue the investigation, after the Weinergate affair.

The photo of the child duct-taped to the table, from the owner of planet pizza, shared on his facebook, cannot be explained so easily away as just alt-right propaganda though. If it wasn't a big secret he should've left it all up, but he made all his social media private as soon as the story broke.

I'm not meaning to paint a pretty picture of this creep Podesta nor trying to play down such a serious allegation - it's the circumstances surrounding this exposé I find unconvincing.

If the pizza parlour and the pingpong club are there for anything but adult only frolics, I'm frankly astonished that the members of the cult aren't more cautious about communicating with each other and spreading their message. You send anything by e-mail or post anything on social media - even if it be for club members eyes only, chances are that you will be exposed (pardon the pun) at some stage.

Can a president of the US of A and/or his first lady really afford to take the chance? It's of course possible that these people think they are untouchable but even so, reputation is paramount - it would be ill-advised to flaunt ones sexual deviations before the world and still expect to be taken seriously. OK, even if the Clintons have admitted to being involved in witchery, the paedophile connotation takes it to a whole new level.

In the last couple of days I've seen a few images of Podesta etc. that could imply paedophiliac tendencies - again, would he be stupid as to risk photographs of illegal/immoral practices landing up in the wrong hands?

by Roxyroo 17.11.16 0:14

They just don't see themselves doing anything wrong, they think what they're doing is their right, so maybe this is why they did'nt think about hiding it. In one of the photos a man is wearing a tee shirt which when translated from French means "I love children"
I think some of them just don't care.
At the end of the day its a choice between good and evil.
I rejected my semi religious upbringing my whole life but in the past few years I now sleep with a bible next to my bed

by Guest 17.11.16 0:26

Roxyroo wrote:They just don't see themselves doing anything wrong, they think what they're doing is their right, so maybe this is why they did'nt think about hiding it. In one of the photos a man is wearing a tee shirt which when translated from French means "I love children"
I think some of them just don't care.
At the end of the day its a choice between good and evil.
I rejected my semi religious upbringing my whole life but in the past few years I now sleep with a bible next to my bed

Oh dear

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ETA: Thinking further on the subject, I'm behaving our of character here by isolating my thoughts to the Podesta/Clinton liaison.

Of course the dark side of humanity is exposed by the blasé attitude. Through the arts they expose their perversion without remorse and by double meaning like 'I love children'.

I recall seeing one of those British dark comedies, showing a slogan 'get inside a child today'. Hey-ho.

by **Tony Bennett** 17.11.16 0:31

Roxyroo wrote:I rejected my semi religious upbringing my whole life but in the past few years I now sleep with a Bible next to my bed

I dearly wish that all members and guests of CMOMM would do likewise

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ETA re Podesta:

This morning I came across this sober and I think accurate summary of the Podesta e-mails, on I site I think was called 'Vigilant Citizen':

This article only contains some of the findings uncovered by ‘private investigators’ online. What has been exposed is, most likely, only the tip of the iceberg of a huge, complex network that has many ramifications. Each thread could probably be investigated further and lead to even more disturbing facts connecting even more high-powered individuals.

Going through the material of this article is a difficult and painful process, but it exposes the true mind-state and philosophy of the occult elite. They publicly celebrate a specific culture of death, abuse and dehumanization through their art and events, leaving us to only speculate about what they do behind closed doors. The symbolism in the above images is in perfect accordance with the occult elite’s culture that I have been describing on Vigilant Citizen for years.

The “Pizzagate” investigation reveals, at best, the disturbing culture of the elite and, at worst, an all-out child trafficking ring. And don’t believe that only Democrats are into this. This is the true culture of the occult elite, a circle of powerful people who operate far above political parties, and far above the law.

It reflects where I am with this story at the moment, pending maybe further revelations

by MayMuse 17.11.16 14:29

Tony Bennett wrote:
Roxyroo wrote:I rejected my semi religious upbringing my whole life but in the past few years I now sleep with a Bible next to my bed
I dearly wish that all members and guests of CMOMM would do likewise

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ETA re Podesta:

This morning I came across this sober and I think accurate summary of the Podesta e-mails, on I site I think was called 'Vigilant Citizen':

This article only contains some of the findings uncovered by ‘private investigators’ online. What has been exposed is, most likely, only the tip of the iceberg of a huge, complex network that has many ramifications. Each thread could probably be investigated further and lead to even more disturbing facts connecting even more high-powered individuals.

Going through the material of this article is a difficult and painful process, but it exposes the true mind-state and philosophy of the occult elite. They publicly celebrate a specific culture of death, abuse and dehumanization through their art and events, leaving us to only speculate about what they do behind closed doors. The symbolism in the above images is in perfect accordance with the occult elite’s culture that I have been describing on Vigilant Citizen for years.

The “Pizzagate” investigation reveals, at best, the disturbing culture of the elite and, at worst, an all-out child trafficking ring. And don’t believe that only Democrats are into this. This is the true culture of the occult elite, a circle of powerful people who operate far above political parties, and far above the law.

It reflects where I am with this story at the moment, pending maybe further revelations

Thank you Mr Bennett
I think I am where you are at with all of this.
I am unable to put into words how appalling it is, however wonder why this has come to the fore now especially on those trying to link the Podesta brothers with Madeleine's disappearance.
Is it due to the USA elections or another distraction?

A video for those who can get through as it is lengthy
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Whilst I believe there is some truth in this deprived and satanic world of child abuse and more, in the case of Madeleine let us not forget the intelligent findings of the dogs, let us not forget that those efits are of ONE man "smith man" not of two suspects, let us not forget that the media have fed us line after line on this case and yet not one MSM (as far as I can see) have reported.

Next there'll be a Podesta brother with a long dark wig and rice crispies stuck to his face as "pimple man" ?

Evidence and intelligence speaks loudest.

This has just returned everyone's attention back to "abduction"??? Without proof!
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IMO

by MayMuse 17.11.16 16:26

Apparently the FBI are investigating, I wonder how long that will take and if something is revealed in connection to Madeleine will they report it to Operation Grange?

Could this be the way out to close the case?

Have we any news on Amaral yet, I haven't seen anything, anyone know?

by **Nina** 17.11.16 17:21

Tony Bennett wrote:
Roxyroo wrote:I rejected my semi religious upbringing my whole life but in the past few years I now sleep with a Bible next to my bed
I dearly wish that all members and guests of CMOMM would do likewise

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ETA re Podesta:

This morning I came across this sober and I think accurate summary of the Podesta e-mails, on I site I think was called 'Vigilant Citizen':

This article only contains some of the findings uncovered by ‘private investigators’ online. What has been exposed is, most likely, only the tip of the iceberg of a huge, complex network that has many ramifications. Each thread could probably be investigated further and lead to even more disturbing facts connecting even more high-powered individuals.

Going through the material of this article is a difficult and painful process, but it exposes the true mind-state and philosophy of the occult elite. They publicly celebrate a specific culture of death, abuse and dehumanization through their art and events, leaving us to only speculate about what they do behind closed doors. The symbolism in the above images is in perfect accordance with the occult elite’s culture that I have been describing on Vigilant Citizen for years.

The “Pizzagate” investigation reveals, at best, the disturbing culture of the elite and, at worst, an all-out child trafficking ring. And don’t believe that only Democrats are into this. This is the true culture of the occult elite, a circle of powerful people who operate far above political parties, and far above the law.

It reflects where I am with this story at the moment, pending maybe further revelations

Good evening Tony. Shocking reading and the first thing which came into my mind, after reading this from your post
They publicly celebrate a specific culture of death, abuse and dehumanization through their art and events, leaving us to only speculate about what they do behind closed doors.
was the McCann relative who enjoyed taking photographs of young women sinking into mud.

by Roxyroo 17.11.16 18:26

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Another interesting vid. About the occult writing on John Podesta's hands

by **Tony Bennett** 24.11.16 14:31

Nina wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:Good evening Tony. Shocking reading and the first thing which came into my mind, after reading this from your post
They publicly celebrate a specific culture of death, abuse and dehumanization through their art and events, leaving us to only speculate about what they do behind closed doors.
was the McCann relative who enjoyed taking photographs of young women sinking into mud.

Yes, it's no good saying 'Uh, it's only art' or 'Don't worry, it's only fantasy', because we know that once bad things are in people's minds, they will then often go on to act them out in reality. We have had at least two news items, only this week, that tragically bear this out.

On the subject of Pizzagate, thanks for all the comments; I've settled it in my mind that there is indeed a very real and very sinister web of child sexual abuse and child trafficking connected to Comet Ping Pong and Besta Pizza.

Since then, some BAD News:

Thousands of people had been discussing and participating in an open source investigation on the Reddit site. But yesterday Reddit closed all their Pizzagate pages, claiming that people were 'engaged in a witch-hunt' (!).

But there is also GOOD news:

The much-respected Corbett Report website has pronounced Reddit 'compromised' and intends, in partnership with other 'non-compromised' websites, to take over where Reddit left off.

I think this link to a Corbett Report YouTube video explains it (4 mins):

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by kaz 24.11.16 15:35

I'm afraid I'm too tickle stomached to watch the videos so my comments won't be worth much. I just think it's so strange that the Madeleine enquiry photofits actually do look like the Podesta brothers. The first question is why did SY publish TWO photofits presumably of the same man that look nothing like each other but DO resemble two different looking brothers and not Gerry McCann? I have even seen on some sites that a mole on the one brother's face corresponds to a mole on the photofit face.............................but in mirror image fashion. Now where have I seen that before? I thought Mr Smith said that he didn't get a very good look at the man he said he saw carrying a child on the 3rd of May but the photofit face has a mole? It makes you wonder if it has all been planned beforehand. Can't help but feel we're being intentionally led by the nose up a blind alley.

by **Tony Bennett** 24.11.16 21:09

kaz wrote:I'm afraid I'm too tickle stomached to watch the videos so my comments won't be worth much. I just think it's so strange that the Madeleine enquiry photofits actually do look like the Podesta brothers. The first question is why did SY publish TWO photofits presumably of the same man that look nothing like each other but DO resemble two different looking brothers and not Gerry McCann? I have even seen on some sites that a mole on the one brother's face corresponds to a mole on the photofit face.............................but in mirror image fashion. Now where have I seen that before? I thought Mr Smith said that he didn't get a very good look at the man he said he saw carrying a child on the 3rd of May but the photofit face has a mole? It makes you wonder if it has all been planned beforehand. Can't help but feel we're being intentionally led by the nose up a blind alley.

I said well over two years ago that those two efits were produced from real photographs of two different people and were not drawn up by the Smiths.

I received much scorn and abuse for suggesting this.

I was accused of cruelty to the Smiths.

I also publicly accused DCI Redwood and his superiors in the Met Police of deliberately lying to 7 million Crimewatch viewers about these efits.

I was attacked by many who considered it wholly wrong to vilify 'honest' coppers like Redwood.

Yet to me it was blindingy obvious the images were from actual photos.

Remains to be seen whose, though.

by MayMuse 26.11.16 21:37

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Just found this on YouTube, unsure if authentic, sure made me feel uncomfortable.

by MayMuse 30.11.16 13:04

Well the Guardian had it right about ONE suspect in 2013
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by tinkier 30.11.16 18:41

kaz wrote:I'm afraid I'm too tickle stomached to watch the videos so my comments won't be worth much. I just think it's so strange that the Madeleine enquiry photofits actually do look like the Podesta brothers. The first question is why did SY publish TWO photofits presumably of the same man that look nothing like each other but DO resemble two different looking brothers and not Gerry McCann? I have even seen on some sites that a mole on the one brother's face corresponds to a mole on the photofit face.............................but in mirror image fashion. Now where have I seen that before? I thought Mr Smith said that he didn't get a very good look at the man he said he saw carrying a child on the 3rd of May but the photofit face has a mole? It makes you wonder if it has all been planned beforehand. Can't help but feel we're being intentionally led by the nose up a blind alley.

Not forgetting the striking resemblance between Anthony Weiner and "pimple man". I have included this link to show the two pics side by side.. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by **Tony Bennett** 02.12.16 22:59

The mainstream media in Britain have at last responded to 'Pizzagate' and the Podesta emails 'scandal'.

The BBC has pronounced:

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The BBC have declared it a 'fake news' story made up by the 'wilder fringes' of the conspiracy theorists, apparently this was the work of 'Alt-Right' white nationalists allied to Donald Trump.

Thousands upon thousands of deluded people have believed the fabricated material produced by these fascists whose only object was to try and defeat Hillary Clinton.

Not a single victim has come forward, says the BBC.

So we now have the answer. winkwink

I guess we can lock this thread now and forget all about it? smilie

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ETA: Full BBC News report below:

BBC Trending

The saga of 'Pizzagate': The fake story that shows how conspiracy theories spread

By BBC Trending What's popular and why

2 December 2016

No victim has come forward. There's no investigation. And physical evidence? That doesn't exist either.

But thousands of people are convinced that a paedophilia ring involving people at the highest levels of the Democratic Party is operating out of a Washington pizza restaurant.

The story riveted fringes of Twitter - nearly a million messages were sent last month using the term "pizzagate".

So how did this fake story take hold amongst alt-right Trump supporters and other Hillary Clinton opponents?

Let's start with the facts.

In early November, as Wikileaks steadily released piles of emails from Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta, one contact caught the attention of prankster sites and people on the paranoid fringes.

James Alefantis is the owner of Comet Ping Pong, a pizza restaurant in Washington. He's also a big Democratic Party supporter and raised money for both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. He was once in a relationship with David Brock, an influential liberal operative.

Alefantis - who's never met Clinton - appeared in the Podesta emails in connection with the fundraisers.

And from these thin threads, an enormous trove of conspiracy fiction was spun.

Users of 4chan, a message board known for free speech, extreme content and trollish behaviour, began posting speculation and supposed connections gleaned from internet searches. They trawled Alefantis' Instagram feed for pictures of children and the modern art which lines his restaurant's walls, and dreamt up a paedophile sex ring involving prominent politicians and political donors.

Soon there were protesters outside of Comet Ping Pong. Alefantis even invited some of them in - they filmed the encounter and put it on YouTube.

"They ignore basic truths," Alefantis tells BBC Trending. For instance, the conspiracy supposedly is run out of the restaurant's basement. "We don't even have a basement."

"Sometimes an innocent picture of a child in a basket is just an innocent picture of a child in a basket and not proof of a child sex trafficking ring," he says.

The conspiracy theory bubbled up from 4chan onto the mainstream internet when a Reddit user posted a long document with all of the "evidence" several days before the US election. It first appeared on a section of the site popular with Donald Trump supporters from the extremist white nationalist alt-right.

Alefantis, along with Comet Ping Pong employees and others, started to get threatening messages. He locked his Instagram account.

The fake story remained the preserve of 4chan and alt-right Reddit until mid-November, when Turkish pro-government media outlets suddenly took an intense interest.

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As outlined by Efe Kerem Sozeri of the Daily Dot, supporters of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan cottoned onto the tale as a way to accuse opponents of hypocrisy.

Those opponents, the logic goes, had been sharply critical of Erdogan following the revelation of a real child abuse scandal at a Turkish government-linked foundation. So why weren't they similarly outraged about "pizzagate"?

The rumour also provided a distraction from another controversy: Erdogan's party also recently proposed a controversial draft bill that would have given amnesty to child abusers if they married their victims. It was later withdrawn after protests.

Sozeri says liberal and secular opponents of Erdogan, already sensitive to mistreatment of children, also picked up on the rumours.

The Turkish tweets boosted "pizzagate" to whole new levels of prominence online. Around the same time, Donald Trump backed away from talk of an investigation of his defeated opponent over her use of a private email server while she was Secretary of State.

On Twitter alt-right activists, conservative journalists, and others who had urged Clinton's prosecution over the emails - took up the "pizzagate" cause with renewed vigour.

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Despite the complete lack of physical evidence or victim testimony, there are reasons why the hardcore conspiracy theorists are particularly sensitive to allegations of child sex abuse.

It's known, for instance that Bill Clinton and Donald Trump flew on the private plane of convicted child abuser Jeffery Epstein. Tony Podesta, the brother of the Clinton aide whose emails were hacked, was a friend of Dennis Hastert, a Republican politician who earlier this year was sentenced to 15 months in prison, and has admitted abusing boys. The Jimmy Savile scandal in the UK has featured in speculation as an example of a serial child abuser getting away with his crimes.

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Viren Swami, professor of social psychology at Anglia Ruskin University, says "pizzagate" might well be an example of a trend in a hyper-partisan America, where conspiracy theories become fodder for political factions.

"What's happening in the US over the last year or two is that conspiracy theorising is being deployed as a political weapon," he says. "And that's a very big change in the way that conspiracy narratives are being used."

The saga has prompted debunkers by the New York Times and Fox News, among many others, but no factual news story has slowed the torrent of Tweets from the true believers.

"There is some evidence that presenting critical information can reduce belief in a theory, but only among people who have not made up their minds yet," Swami says. "For the people who have already made up their minds, it probably won't change anything."

Other stories have fuelled the rumours and prompted claims of a cover up. For instance, Reddit deleted a "pizzagate" thread - the page now reads "we don't want witchhunts on our site" - and its CEO admitted altering posts made by Donald Trump supporters.

[size=16]Alefantis says threats against him, his staff and his customers have reduced somewhat since the height of the social media flurry, but that he is still wary of the conspiracy mongers.

"It's very scary to be under a social media attack, a lot of threats are death threats or serious continuing threats by very impassioned people," he told Trending. He's reported the threats to the FBI and local police.

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"I consider this to be a politically orchestrated attack," he says. But it hasn't discouraged him from continuing to be involved in politics: "I like to push back because I consider these threats against me, the artists on our walls, the musicians who play here and my customers here as an assault on first amendment rights and my right to freedom of expression."

Meanwhile, on 4chan, where the whole saga started, while some users continued to promote the rumours, others were lamenting what had happened.

"I'm sorry to say this guys but it was a mistake," said one recent post. "Not every conspiracy theory is true."

"Moral panics are not something new and you're just experiencing a new cycle of it," said another. "You guys have a bunch of creepy pictures and you're finding symbols and other circumstantial bunk... You guys have absolutely nothing and it's a little embarrassing that you guys are on a rabid witch hunt based on this evidence.

"Are you guys even aware of how stupid all of this is?”

by kaz 05.12.16 13:34

tinkier wrote:
kaz wrote:I'm afraid I'm too tickle stomached to watch the videos so my comments won't be worth much. I just think it's so strange that the Madeleine enquiry photofits actually do look like the Podesta brothers. The first question is why did SY publish TWO photofits presumably of the same man that look nothing like each other but DO resemble two different looking brothers and not Gerry McCann? I have even seen on some sites that a mole on the one brother's face corresponds to a mole on the photofit face.............................but in mirror image fashion. Now where have I seen that before? I thought Mr Smith said that he didn't get a very good look at the man he said he saw carrying a child on the 3rd of May but the photofit face has a mole? It makes you wonder if it has all been planned beforehand. Can't help but feel we're being intentionally led by the nose up a blind alley.
Not forgetting the striking resemblance between Anthony Weiner and "pimple man". I have included this link to show the two pics side by side.. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

What are the odds? The hairline similarity is astonishing!

by jeanmonroe 05.12.16 14:17

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Pizzagate: Gunman fires in restaurant at centre of conspiracy

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Police secure the scene near Comet Ping Pong in Washington, Sunday, Dec. 4, 2016.

A man has been arrested after firing a rifle inside a pizza restaurant in Washington that was the target of a bizarre fake US election story.
No-one was injured in the incident at Comet Ping Pong, police said.
A 28-year-old man from North Carolina was taken into police custody.
The pizzeria has been targeted by conspiracy theorists who believe it is involved in a child sex ring run by former US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and aide John Podesta.
The man arrested on Sunday told police he went to the restaurant to "self-investigate" the theory, dubbed "pizzagate".

Explained: Pizzagate and the spread of fake news

The suspect allegedly walked into the restaurant and pointed the rifle at an employee, who managed to flee. He later fired the weapon.
He has been charged with assault with a dangerous weapon.
Police surround Comet Ping Pong, a pizza restaurant that was the subject of a fake news story claiming it was the center of a child sex ring

The "pizzagate" theory originated on alternative message board 4chan, based on emails hacked from the Democratic Party and leaked by Wikileaks.
The restaurant's owner, James Alefantis, a Democratic Party donor, appears in the emails in relation to organising a Democratic fundraiser.
Users of 4chan and another message board Reddit claimed that words in the emails, such as cheese, hot dog, and pizza, were code for young children and sex acts.
The bizarre and unfounded theory has been spread online by right-wing blogs such as Infowars, which is run by Donald Trump supporter Alex Jones.
Mr Jones, a conspiracy theorist and talk radio host, said Mr Trump called him the day after the election to thank him and his followers.
The theory was also pushed online by Michael Flynn Jr, son of General Michael Flynn, Mr Trump's choice for national security adviser.
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Mr Alefantis, the owner of Comet Pizza, has received hundreds of threatening messages on Instagram and Facebook.
There have also been protests outside the eatery.
The conspiracy theory was one of a number of fake news stories related to the US election that have spread both before and after the poll.

by Searcher 08.12.16 14:02

kaz wrote:
tinkier wrote:
kaz wrote:I'm afraid I'm too tickle stomached to watch the videos so my comments won't be worth much. I just think it's so strange that the Madeleine enquiry photofits actually do look like the Podesta brothers. The first question is why did SY publish TWO photofits presumably of the same man that look nothing like each other but DO resemble two different looking brothers and not Gerry McCann? I have even seen on some sites that a mole on the one brother's face corresponds to a mole on the photofit face.............................but in mirror image fashion. Now where have I seen that before? I thought Mr Smith said that he didn't get a very good look at the man he said he saw carrying a child on the 3rd of May but the photofit face has a mole? It makes you wonder if it has all been planned beforehand. Can't help but feel we're being intentionally led by the nose up a blind alley.
Not forgetting the striking resemblance between Anthony Weiner and "pimple man". I have included this link to show the two pics side by side.. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
What are the odds? The hairline similarity is astonishing!

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The similarities between the two photos and artist's impressions are uncanny. We are also given to understand that the Podesta brothers were allegedly staying in the Freud villa that week, May 2007. Their names then come up again now with Pizzagate and emails on the net (which I have seen online) about alleged invitations to "Hillary's Pizza Party" in April. We then have some analysis in the same video about the code for various words and what they really mean on the "pizza menu". It is utterly chilling - but are these elements genuinely linked and relevant? We do not know. What we can say is that this should be fully investigated in the States, and for any links here in the UK or internationally, and not that it is "fake news", as apparently suggested by the BBC.

by Richard IV 09.12.16 10:54

Jon Sopel of the BBC did a report on The World Service about this last night.

I`ve never heard a reporter negate something in such a forceful way.

It comes after his interview with Tony Blair on Populism (what the hell are the BBC interviewing him for?) and his new institution to promote globalism.

Anyway its at about 38:12 mins in this broadcast.

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The BBC are putting more money into their World Service - maybe to enhance the idea of globalism.

NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Pizzagate...

NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

Podesta video

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

Podesta

Re: NEW! 2nd Dec: BBC says Pizzagate is 'Fake News' and an anti-Clinton hoax (was: PODESTA - Child trafficking >> Child sexual abuse >> Comet Ping-Pong >> Besta Pizza etc. True or not true?)

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