This was not true

by **Jill Havern** 12.03.17 16:47

They said to relatives the shutters had been forced and broken	This was not true
They said the curtains were wide open	This was not true
They said the closed curtains had blown in the wind and the door had slammed	This was not true
They said the group had been checking every 30 minutes	This was not true
They said Gerry had entered through the front door using his key	This was not true
They said the blood and cadaver dogs were ‘incredibly unreliable’	This was not true
They said they believed Madeleine could be in Morocco	This was not true
They said they had an experienced private detective company searching	This was not true
They said they had a second, more experienced detective company searching	This was not true
They said they had a third, yet more experienced detective company searching	This was not true
They said that a detective agency had not said they would find Madeleine by Christmas	This was not true
They said they had no more photos in their possession	This was not true
They said the Pool Photo was taken on Thursday 3rd May	This was not true
They said the Tennis balls photo was taken on Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday	This was not true
They said they had cooperated fully with the Portuguese police	This was not true
They said they had answered all questions truthfully	This was not true
They said they would not leave Portugal until Madeleine was found	This was not true
They said they would take a Lie detector test	This was not true
They said they had never lied to anyone, police, media, or anyone else	This was not true
They said their reputations had been damaged by Dr Amaral’s book	This was not true
They said they were not suspects	This was not true
They said the shelving of the enquiry had ‘cleared’ them of suspicion	This was not true
They said they needed money for the ‘search’	This was not true
They said the “Fund” would not be used for legal expenses	This was not true
They said the “Fund” accounts would be transparent and open	This was not true
They said the “Fund” was for searching for Madeleine	This was not true
They said they never called Madeleine - “Maddie”	This was not true
They said they had not placed much emphasis on the coloboma	This was not true

Please feel free to add comments or make suggestions to add to the list!

by Guest 12.03.17 17:40

Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida had them sussed

'From the declarations of the group results a total incoherence, in the face of which it's obvious, that everyone lies.'

by **sharonl** 12.03.17 17:46

They said that Madeleine disappeared on the evening of May 3rd

They said that they were out at the local tapas bar when Madeleine went missing

They said that Madeleine was abducted

They said that the police did not search for Madeleine

Jane Tanner said that she saw a man carry a child near their apartment

The friends said that they saw Robert Murat near the apartment.

They said that top police dogs were notoriously unreliable.

They said the blood found by the dogs was from Madeleines' grazed knee or maybe a nosebleed

The said that the cadaver odour was really sea bass as their 2 year old had a liking for it.

They said that bodily fluids found in their hire car was from the kids dirty nappies

They said that blood found in the hire car was from meat falling out of the shopping bag

They said that took all 3 children to the beach whilst all three were still booked into the crèche

They said that they never gave the kids Calpol

They said that the PJ offered Kate a deal

None of these were true

by Liz Eagles 12.03.17 17:54

Very little has come directly from the mouths of Madeleine's parents. They didn't even hold up the pathetic plastic folder of promotional, scary, holiday tat that a PR company with links to the media had Lorraine Kelly do.

No, no, no, no, no. You will find little evidence of anything the McCanns did or did not say openly and when they did say something it was immediately defended by....Clarence Mitchell.

What completely buggered it up was the release of the PJ files and even they were selective.

For anyone new to the forum, look at Gerry McCann's blogs.

by **Keitei** 12.03.17 17:56

They said they were offered a plea bargain. bignono

by Liz Eagles 12.03.17 18:08

Keitei wrote:They said they were offered a plea bargain.

Once again, it didn't come from the mouths of Madeleine's parents. How neat.

by Cmaryholmes 12.03.17 18:41

Auntie Phil, part of the team.

by Liz Eagles 12.03.17 19:04

shou

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
They said to relatives the shutters had been forced and broken This was not true
They said the curtains were wide open This was not true
They said the closed curtains had blown in the wind and the door had slammed This was not true
They said the group had been checking every 30 minutes This was not true
They said Gerry had entered through the front door using his key This was not true
They said the blood and cadaver dogs were ‘incredibly unreliable’ This was not true
They said they believed Madeleine could be in Morocco This was not true
They said they had an experienced private detective company searching This was not true
They said they had a second, more experienced detective company searching This was not true
They said they had a third, yet more experienced detective company searching This was not true
They said that a detective agency had not said they would find Madeleine by Christmas This was not true
They said they had no more photos in their possession This was not true
They said the Pool Photo was taken on Thursday 3rd May This was not true
They said the Tennis balls photo was taken on Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday This was not true
They said they had cooperated fully with the Portuguese police This was not true
They said they had answered all questions truthfully This was not true
They said they would not leave Portugal until Madeleine was found This was not true
They said they would take a Lie detector test This was not true
They said they had never lied to anyone, police, media, or anyone else This was not true
They said their reputations had been damaged by Dr Amaral’s book This was not true
They said they were not suspects This was not true
They said the shelving of the enquiry had ‘cleared’ them of suspicion This was not true
They said they needed money for the ‘search’ This was not true
They said the “Fund” would not be used for legal expenses This was not true
They said the “Fund” accounts would be transparent and open This was not true
They said the “Fund” was for searching for Madeleine This was not true
They said they never called Madeleine - “Maddie” This was not true
They said they had not placed much emphasis on the coloboma This was not true

Please feel free to add comments or make suggestions to add to the list!

How many of the points you raise are completely attributable to the Pink Poo. Imagine that your child has gone missing and you engage the services of this person (why you would need to do that is quite another question). This person also used the death of his own child to forward a campaign. This person went on to crow about the perfect campaign. This person was paid a shed load of money for his services. This person came directly from government office. This person stood for election in Brighton and is still doing battle to become a politician.

To me, this person has potentially breached the law of perverting the course of justice although I am ready, willing and able to apologize if that is not the case.

What is apparent to me is that nothing in this sorry saga was ever about finding Madeleine and bringing to justice those who harmed her.

by **Keitei** 12.03.17 21:32

Keitei wrote:They said they were offered a plea bargain.

It comes from her bewk.

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by **HiDeHo** 12.03.17 21:47

aquila wrote:
Keitei wrote:They said they were offered a plea bargain.
Once again, it didn't come from the mouths of Madeleine's parents. How neat.

by Liz Eagles 12.03.17 21:56

Perhaps he did something to that effect. Does anyone have a video or transcript of the interview?

That's the immaculate thing about the McCanns. No-one can disprove this stuff as it has never been released publicly from official authorities.

by **HiDeHo** 12.03.17 23:39

aquila wrote:Perhaps he did something to that effect. Does anyone have a video or transcript of the interview?

That's the immaculate thing about the McCanns. No-one can disprove this stuff as it has never been released publicly from official authorities.

Which comment are you referring to ?

by Liz Eagles 13.03.17 9:47

OK, here is a simplistic scenario.

The McCanns are made arguido. Under the terms of being made arguido they are not allowed to discuss the case in public.

Kate McCann's lawyer translates something which is said to him by a detective during the time she is in the police station for questioning. What was said to him can't be proved or disproved as no official documents have been released and it's highly unlikely the Police would talk publicly to either prove or disprove anything that was said.

Within a matter of hours, whilst as you say Hi-De-Ho, Gerry McCann is still being questioned, his sister is on UK television saying that Kate was offered a deal. Her lawyer brushes it off as a misunderstanding. The police say nothing. A PR person might be responsible in arranging for Philomena McCann to be interviewed on UK television.

The police say nothing. The police don't enter into the media circus. The police don't remind the client and PR company that this is not within the confines of Portuguese law pertaining to arguido status because if they did it would open up a hornets nest and detract from their purpose.

Add to this that the claims were first made public by Philomena McCann (not Kate McCann) in a country outside of Portugal and it brings further confusion. Were a PR company to have been reprimanded it would likely to have been met with a 'sorry, we didn't know/understand that at the time' followed by 'how Portuguese law is draconian', 'how we were being gagged from telling the truth' and other such headlines. Were Kate McCann to be reminded of the terms of confidentiality it would further fuel the fire.

So, an all round good job done by a PR company. Mitchell is a smart cookie.

I'm in constant awe of the endless good will, skill and determination that people on this forum bring to stop the circus and find justice.

by Cmaryholmes 13.03.17 10:43

Gerry said he believes in free speech. This was not true

by **Jill Havern** 13.03.17 11:41

Cmaryholmes wrote:Gerry said he believes in free speech. This was not true

Damn! How did I miss that one off the list?! bigshock

by RosieandSam 13.03.17 14:19

aquila wrote:OK, here is a simplistic scenario.

The McCanns are made arguido. Under the terms of being made arguido they are not allowed to discuss the case in public.

Kate McCann's lawyer translates something which is said to him by a detective during the time she is in the police station for questioning. What was said to him can't be proved or disproved as no official documents have been released and it's highly unlikely the Police would talk publicly to either prove or disprove anything that was said.

Within a matter of hours, whilst as you say Hi-De-Ho, Gerry McCann is still being questioned, his sister is on UK television saying that Kate was offered a deal. Her lawyer brushes it off as a misunderstanding. The police say nothing. A PR person might be responsible in arranging for Philomena McCann to be interviewed on UK television.

The police say nothing. The police don't enter into the media circus. The police don't remind the client and PR company that this is not within the confines of Portuguese law pertaining to arguido status because if they did it would open up a hornets nest and detract from their purpose.

Add to this that the claims were first made public by Philomena McCann (not Kate McCann) in a country outside of Portugal and it brings further confusion. Were a PR company to have been reprimanded it would likely to have been met with a 'sorry, we didn't know/understand that at the time' followed by 'how Portuguese law is draconian', 'how we were being gagged from telling the truth' and other such headlines. Were Kate McCann to be reminded of the terms of confidentiality it would further fuel the fire.

So, an all round good job done by a PR company. Mitchell is a smart cookie.

I'm in constant awe of the endless good will, skill and determination that people on this forum bring to stop the circus and find justice.

But CM was not the PR spokesperson at the time the McCanns were made arguidos

Shortly before 11am, Mrs McCann's spokeswoman, Justine McGuinness, revealed that the 39-year-old GP was being made an arguida – official suspect – in the case. And then she uttered the six short words which will be inconceivable to some who have followed this case and a confirmation of long-held suspicions to others. "Kate fears she will be charged," Ms McGuinness said.

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Trisha Campbell (Gerry's sister) accompanied Kate McCann to Portimao police station and Justine McGuiness remained outside - receiving text messages from inside and updating the press.

The following is taken from the Panorama Production, BBC.

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Kate McCann has been taken in for questioning. Richard Bilton the narrator/reporter is asking Justine McGuinness about that time when Kate McCann attended the police station:

Bilton:

Kate McCann is at the station for 13 hours, but from inside she and Trish text out updates. Even at this point the message is being CONTROLLED.

McGuiness:

We were a bit naughty because we did have messages coming out of the police station which we weren't supposed to...

Bilton:

How did that work.. what, the text messages?

McGuinness:

Yeah.

Bilton:

And were the texts saying? Talk us through.

McGuinness:

Sort of updates from things that were happening.

by Liz Eagles 13.03.17 20:25

RosieandSam wrote:
aquila wrote:OK, here is a simplistic scenario.

The McCanns are made arguido. Under the terms of being made arguido they are not allowed to discuss the case in public.

Kate McCann's lawyer translates something which is said to him by a detective during the time she is in the police station for questioning. What was said to him can't be proved or disproved as no official documents have been released and it's highly unlikely the Police would talk publicly to either prove or disprove anything that was said.

Within a matter of hours, whilst as you say Hi-De-Ho, Gerry McCann is still being questioned, his sister is on UK television saying that Kate was offered a deal. Her lawyer brushes it off as a misunderstanding. The police say nothing. A PR person might be responsible in arranging for Philomena McCann to be interviewed on UK television.

The police say nothing. The police don't enter into the media circus. The police don't remind the client and PR company that this is not within the confines of Portuguese law pertaining to arguido status because if they did it would open up a hornets nest and detract from their purpose.

Add to this that the claims were first made public by Philomena McCann (not Kate McCann) in a country outside of Portugal and it brings further confusion. Were a PR company to have been reprimanded it would likely to have been met with a 'sorry, we didn't know/understand that at the time' followed by 'how Portuguese law is draconian', 'how we were being gagged from telling the truth' and other such headlines. Were Kate McCann to be reminded of the terms of confidentiality it would further fuel the fire.

So, an all round good job done by a PR company. Mitchell is a smart cookie.

I'm in constant awe of the endless good will, skill and determination that people on this forum bring to stop the circus and find justice.

But CM was not the PR spokesperson at the time the McCanns were made arguidos

Shortly before 11am, Mrs McCann's spokeswoman, Justine McGuinness, revealed that the 39-year-old GP was being made an arguida – official suspect – in the case. And then she uttered the six short words which will be inconceivable to some who have followed this case and a confirmation of long-held suspicions to others. "Kate fears she will be charged," Ms McGuinness said.

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Trisha Campbell (Gerry's sister) accompanied Kate McCann to Portimao police station and Justine McGuiness remained outside - receiving text messages from inside and updating the press.

The following is taken from the Panorama Production, BBC.

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Kate McCann has been taken in for questioning. Richard Bilton the narrator/reporter is asking Justine McGuinness about that time when Kate McCann attended the police station:

Bilton:

Kate McCann is at the station for 13 hours, but from inside she and Trish text out updates. Even at this point the message is being CONTROLLED.

McGuiness:

We were a bit naughty because we did have messages coming out of the police station which we weren't supposed to...

Bilton:

How did that work.. what, the text messages?

McGuinness:

Yeah.

Bilton:

And were the texts saying? Talk us through.

McGuinness:

Sort of updates from things that were happening.

Thank you for the accuracy. This forum makes me proud to be a member.

Just replace my error with attributing things to Clarence Mitchell to 'congratulating' Justine McGuinness on a PR job well done. Isn't it a little strange that a PR person was shipped in immediately to ~~defend~~ assist the McCanns and managed to leak information from a Portuguese police station?