Crime Analyst, Chelsea Hoffman's 'Madeleine McCann' book is complete - but it has very bad reviews so far

by **Jill Havern** 01.08.16 6:23

https://www.facebook.com/ChelseaKHoffman

by **Tony Bennett** 01.08.16 8:16

Get'emGonçalo wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/ChelseaKHoffman

In considering Chelsea Hoffman's book, we need to bear this article in mind:

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A Critical Look at Crime Studies Course Created by Self-Proclaimed “Criminal Profiler” Chelsea Hoffman

by Ernie Ford and Beth Parks

Overview

Unlike the standard investigative feature article researched, written and syndicated by Torchmark Media, this piece is prepared as a public service. As a consequence, this story, or excerpts from it, may be reprinted in order to provide the public information about this Crime Studies Course and its creator, Chelsea Hoffman. In researching this article, it became apparent that Chelsea Hoffman and her endeavors present nothing newsworthy beyond the need to keep the public abreast of what are described as fraudulent enterprises initiated and run by Chelsea Hoffman.

Crime Analyst, Chelsea Hoffman's 'Madeleine McCann' book is complete - but it has very bad reviews so far Hoffma10

The ultimate purpose of this article is to examine the contention that the Crime Studies Course represents a scam perpetrated by Chelsea Hoffman. The examination of the contention was three-fold when it comes to this article. First, we examined Hoffman’s background in relation to the Crime Studies Course. Second, we examined the claims made by uDemy and Hoffman regarding the course and Hoffman’s expertise. Finally, a member of the team investigating this story enrolled in the course itself.

The uDemy Learning Market Place

The Chelsea Hoffman Crime Studies Course is included on a platform maintained by an enterprise called uDemy. uDemy markets itself as being:
“The world’s online learning marketplace, where 4 million+ students are taking courses in everything from programming to yoga to photography–and much, much more. Each of our 18,000+ courses is taught by an expert instructor, and every course is available on-demand, so students can learn at their own pace, on their own time, and on any device.”

In researching this article, the offerings of uDemy generally were reviewed. The company does indeed maintain a wide selection of courses which do appear to be taught by clearly professional individuals who are deemed experts in their field.

The generally accepted definition of “expert” is “a person who has a comprehensive and authoritative knowledge of or skill in a particular area.” The moniker “expert” is inapplicable to Chelsea Hoffman as it relates to this particular course of study. By definition, the Crime Studies Course investigated for this article is not taught by an “expert” as promoted by uDemy. This fact opened the door to a further inquiry as to whether this course represents a completely fraudulent enterprise run by Hoffman.

Beyond questions and concerns about Hoffman’s qualifications to teach the course, questions have been raised about the content prepared and presented by Hoffman in the course itself. In order to evaluate the quality of materials provided by Hoffman in the course, a reporter involved in investigating this story enrolled in the Chelsea Hoffman Crime Studies Course. Findings regarding the materials provided by Hoffman in the course are presented later in this article.

An unnamed source from uDemy advised that the platform is investigating allegations regarding the Hoffman course, including whether it is presented by a true expert in the field. In addition, the platform is looking into the quality of the content included in the course as well, according to the source at uDemy.

An accusation has also been made that Hoffman misappropriated educational materials from Ashworth College, an online school discussed later in this article, and included them in her own uDemy course without crediting them to the college. The materials from the Hoffman course are being presented to Ashworth College for review. At this juncture, nothing can be confirmed as to whether Hoffman has or has not plagiarized in regard to her course materials at uDemy.

Chelsea Hoffman and Criminal Profiling

Hoffman maintains that she is an “indie (independent) crime analyst and profiler.” The University of Maryland maintains a generally accepted definition of crime analysis:

“Crime analysis is the systematic study of crime and disorder problems as well as other police-related issues – including sociodemographic, spatial, and temporal factors – to assist the police in criminal apprehension, crime and disorder reduction, crime prevention, and evaluation.”
In order to be deemed an expert in crime analysis, a person must have an appropriate academic degree from a college or university. Hoffman does not meet the definition of a crime analyst; she lacks both an appropriate educational as well as professional background to qualify as a crime analyst. The only indicia of her standing as a crime analysts are her personal proclamations.

Hoffman’s self-identification as a being a criminal profiler is equally problematic. A criminal profiler is defined as:

“A professional involved in identifying the perpetrator of crime based on an analysis of the nature of the offense and the manner in which it was committed.” A criminal profiler has obtained an appropriate degree from an institution of higher learning, and oftentimes an advanced degree. Yet again, Hoffman does not meet these requirements. The only evidence of her standing as a criminal profiler are her own unfounded pronouncements.
Hoffman routinely touts her enrollment at an online school called Ashworth College as being evidence of her expertise as a criminal profiler. In a peculiar line of postings on the Internet, Hoffman maintains that she needed to enroll at Ashworth College because her IQ is so high, a traditional institution of higher education would be inappropriate to her significant intelligence. In fact, while Ashworth likely provides a decent curriculum in various areas of study, the school definitely is not known as a magnet for the intelligentsia. Hoffman has yet to obtain any degree from this institution, further buttressing the fact that she definitely is not an expert in the arena of crime analysis, criminal profiling and crime studies as she promotes through her uDemy course.

Chelsea Hoffman and Celebrity

Not only does Hoffman hold herself out as being an expert in the field of “criminal profiling,” she similarly proclaims that she is a “public figure” and a “celebrity.” She claims a large “fan” following.

In reality, when Hoffman wrote and posted her own Wikipedia page, (an act that underscores her own lack of a true public standing of any kind), the overseers at the online encyclopedia removed the page. The page was removed based on the determination that Hoffman had not accomplished anything of professional merit to warrant a Wikipedia page.

Moreover, the only indication that Hoffman is a so-called “public figure” or “celebrity” arises from her own Internet postings. Recently, a “Chelsea Hoffman Fan Page” was initiated on Facebook. After several weeks of soliciting fans, the page has five. Critics of Hoffman have made it known that most if not all of this fist-full of admirers are in fact people who take issue with Hoffman’s alleged unprofessionalism, dishonesty and conduct.

Chelsea Hoffman and Authorship

In addition to contending she is a criminal profiler and a celebrity, both contentions without foundation in reality, Hoffman holds herself out as being a professional author or writer. In fact, her history in the writing profession has rendered her claim to be a professional dubious. The bulk of Hoffman’s work as a self-proclaimed writer has been at sites at which approved participants post short articles in hopes that someone will click on a link to those pieces. When a link-through occurs, a participant receives pennies for the effort.

At least two of these sites – All Voices and Digital Journal – both dropped Hoffman recently. Indeed, Digital Journal dispatched Hoffman after only a few days at the venue. A number of different reasons have been proffered for Hoffman’s removal from these sites, including allegations of plagiarism, incompetence, threatening and harassing other site participants and a major petition drive calling for her removal from All Voices specifically.

The petition drive to have Hoffman removed from All Voices involved thousands of people. The focus of the petition drive was on Hoffman’s documented abuse of victims of crime. Hoffman has routinely attacked online through degrading postings the family members of victims of crime. In at least one case, she set up a fund raising campaign allegedly on behalf of a crime victim’s family. The family did not approve the effort and the allegation has been made that Hoffman set up the fund raising campaign to generate funds for her own use. The family requested that she cease and desist. In the end, the damage of this apparent scam by Hoffman was minimal as she was only able to generate a single $10 donation.

Included on the list of people requesting that Chelsea Hoffman be banned from this particular social media news site was Marc Klaas. Klaas is the father of Polly Klaas, the 12 year old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in a case that garnered international attention. Marc Klaas has dedicated himself to legitimate efforts to assist victims of crime, including through the Polly Klaas Foundation.

Hoffman’s termination from content mills on the Internet is nothing new. A few years back she was terminated by Demand Media Studios when she refused to participate in a program designed to assist her in improving her sub-par writing abilities. When removed by that company, she responded with an email that has been made public. The communication is laced with a level of offensive profanity never associated with any professional setting.

A senior editor from Demand Media Studios was interviewed for this article. The Demand Media Studios senior editor requested anonymity because of Hoffman’s reputation for attacking and harassing people who disagree with her or take a stand against what they maintain is misconduct and even illegality by Hoffman.

“Chelsea Hoffman was a totally inadequate writer. From poor grammatical skills to actually making up information in her articles, she was highly problematic and thoroughly unprofessional. Demand Media tried multiple times to assist her in improving her skills, all to no avail. Perhaps even more problematic was Hoffman’s continual attacking and harassing other members of the Demand Media team. Indeed, her access to professional forums at Demand Media was suspended because of this misconduct multiple times,” the senior editor explained.

To her credit, and despite the determination of Wikipedia overseers that Hoffman has no noteworthy professional achievements, an independent publishing house did release a title that lists her as the author. The book is entitled River of No Return.

Nearly immediately after its release in digital form, the publisher had to remove the book from the market. According to a sworn affidavit submitted by the publisher, the book was removed because Hoffman made up facts within the book, including an entire chapter in which she manufactured quotes. According to the sworn affidavit, the person “quoted” never made any statements to Hoffman and everything in the book attributed to that individual was a complete fabrication by Hoffman.

In addition, according to the publisher, the book was pulled from the market based on allegations of plagiarism and libel. Problems with copyright infringement and defamation have followed Hoffman for years, according to individuals familiar with her history.

The Chelsea Hoffman Crime Studies Course

Content and Presentation

As noted earlier in this article, as part of the research into the Crime Studies Course presented by Chelsea Hoffman at uDemy, a person involved in investigation and research for this article signed up for the course. Having already established that Chelsea Hoffman is not an expert in the field of criminal profiling, crime analysis or crime studies, the focus of the investigation turned to the materials presented during the course itself.
As an aside, Hoffman has reduced the price associated with this course to $50. Prior to Halloween, she marketed the course for $5 if a person entered the discount code “spooky.” In the aftermath of that promotion, she offered the course for free to a set number of people. At that juncture, one of the individuals involved in researching this article signed up for the course.

A grand total of 61 individuals evidently have signed up for the course since its inception, including one of the people involved in preparing this article. Unlike the vast majority of courses available at the uDemy platform, there are no reviews or ratings provided by these apparent participants in the Hoffman course.

At the outset, it is important to note again that a concern has been raised that Hoffman pilfered at least some of the teaching materials from Ashworth College without providing the institution proper credit. For reasons reported in a moment, in reviewing the course materials, it is possible that some have been swiped by Hoffman. However, because of the quality of materials used by Hoffman in some sections of the course, it is likely that a sizable portion of the course materials are the brainchild of Chelsea Hoffman.

The most startling deficiency in this course allegedly taught by an expert were the wholly inadequate “lectures” presented by Hoffman herself. Many of the individual lectures presented by Hoffman were less than 15 minutes each. The only two presentations that actually reached the length of a bona fide lecture were entitled “Most Perverted Serial Killers” and “John Wayne Gacy” (a particularly prolific serial killer active in the 1970s). In the end, no professional instructor would promote a general course on “crime studies” and then spend an inordinate amount of time presenting salacious information about serial killers.

A woman who identifies herself as a former friend of Chelsea Hoffman, and who signed up but did not complete the Crime Studies Course, commented on Hoffman’s infatuation with serial killers. The woman indicated that she did not want to be identified by name because of Hoffman’s seemingly ubiquitous reputation for exacting revenge from people who disagree with or criticize her. Indeed, if Chelsea Hoffman is known for anything it is for harassing and viciously attacking people on the Internet, including the families of victims of crime, according to current and former associates.

This associate of Hoffman noted: “She’s like a groupie. She’s bragged about attempting to make connections with at least one and probably more serial killers,” she said. “Chelsea seems to be interested in this type of connection with a serial killer for personal and not professional reasons.” In confirming this contention, our investigators did discover that Hoffman bragged about writing hand written missives to at least one imprisoned serial killer in online posts.

In addition to the individual lectures not meeting muster when it comes to length and general content, the Crime Studies Course is also riddled with misinformation. The fact that there is inaccurate information presented by Hoffman in this course underscores the fact that she probably has not stolen educational materials from Ashworth College or some other source for all aspects of her course.

Returning for a moment to the issue of Hoffman’s widespread reputation for attacking people online, in the interest of full disclosure, one of the owners of the parent company of Torchmark Media has been subjected to harassment and defamatory statements by Hoffman for an extended period of time. In addition to Torchmark Media, the parent company owns about a dozen other enterprises. He is not involved in the operations or management of Torchmark Media and has no editorial role with the company. He has taken legal action against Hoffman alleging defamation and what legally is known as false light. He was contacted during the investigation of the Hoffman Crime Studies Course but declined to be interviewed.

In the final analysis, Hoffman’s credentials and background do not render her an expert in the realm of criminal profiling, crime analysis or crime studies. A considerable amount of the content included in the Crime Studies Course is inadequate. Whether the manner in which Hoffman markets herself and her course constitutes fraud is a determination beyond the scope of this investigation and article. The issue of fraud is a question for law enforcement authorities in the Office of the Nevada Attorney General.

A consumer who has signed up for the Hoffman Crime Studies Course can lodge a complaint with the Nevada Attorney General:

Nevada Attorney General
Bureau of Consumer Protection
702-486-3132

by MRNOODLES 01.08.16 12:20

It reminds me of a TV news article, could be as far back as the late 90s. It was about bulls*** degrees and diplomas you could pick up on the internet run through bogus universities. They illustrated the ease of it all by, some ordinary bloke showing off degree certificates that his dog had gained.

by Guest 01.08.16 12:38

Another opportunist out to make a fast buck in memory of Madeleine McCann? Someone was less than impressed by her profilist skill..

https://coldtones.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/dana-lauren-bonnano-is-home-safe-and-sound/

Not a member of this forum by any chance is she? I hope not.

by Grande Finale 01.08.16 13:45

The trouble is, not many people know how famous Chelsea Hoffman is Crime Analyst, Chelsea Hoffman's 'Madeleine McCann' book is complete - but it has very bad reviews so far 110921

Crime Analyst, Chelsea Hoffman's 'Madeleine McCann' book is complete - but it has very bad reviews so far 110921

Crime Analyst, Chelsea Hoffman's 'Madeleine McCann' book is complete - but it has very bad reviews so far 181154

by **Tony Bennett** 07.08.16 13:00

On 1 August, after 'Get'emGoncalo' had posted news of Chelsea Hoffman's forthcoming book on Madeleine McCann, I posted what appeared to be a genuine, independent review of some of Chelsea Hoffman's previous work.

I still think it is, but I could be wrong.

Rosemary Smith has now published a letter from Chelsea Hoffman on the CMOMMM FB page in which she defends herself robustly.

She also tells us that her book is to be called 'The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann: What really happened?'

(which reminds me of another book on Madeleine with a very similar title winkwink

)

I think it's only fair that I add Chelsea Hoffman's defence here:

Hey, everyone. As many of you are aware by now, I am getting ready to publish a book about Madeleine McCann's disappearance, and the elements that have surrounded it over the past near-decade.

The title: "The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann: What really happened?"

(long, I know, but to the point)

I know some of you have a lot of questions, and I realize it's disappointing that I can't address each and every one of you (if I did, how on earth would I have time to write!?)

But, I do hope that I can address some of your questions in the comments section of this post.

Before we begin (for those of you who are interested in this Q&A), I do want to set some ground rules, so-to-speak:

1. I am aware of the "torchmark media" article about me (there are several actually) and a so-called review of the class I used to teach. Let me address this quickly:

Torchmark media is owned/run/everythinged by a man named [redacted], who is someone who used to not only be a friend of mine, but he is a former colleague of mine from back when I wrote for Demand Media Studios. This person is a former lawyer, who was stripped of his law-practicing abilities when he went to prison for robbing settlement funds from the CHILDREN who were supposed to receive said funds. This person is not a reliable source of info for anything, especially information about yours truly. He is a con-man, and a liar. He claims that he has had me served with lawsuit papers, which he hasn't. He claims that I have "dodged" attempts at being sued as well, which is also untrue. My addresses are pretty public. Anyone can find me if they want to. That's dangerous for me, but really inconvenient for the lies he tells about me.

Am I a colorful individual who has said insensitive things to people (including [redacted])? Absolutely. But if you're sharing Torchmark media writings about me, you're sharing nothing more than slanderous gossip, and I will not (absolutely will not) address any questions or comments about it.

Furthermore, the online class I used to teach was closed down because some of my materials needed to be updated. The so-called review of my class, which some of you are sharing, was removed by Udemy staff - NOT ME. THEY removed it because it was a malicious and false review made by someone who only took about 3 minutes worth of lessons from the class before dropping out.

If any of you are interested in my class, stay tuned, it will be back when I have TIME (which I have very little of these days)

2. I keep seeing people bring up "[redacted]" as if he somehow is "proof" that I'm some kind of shitty person. Well let me tell you something:

This man raped my little sister from the time she was just old enough to read, until she was almost 13. He molested her, made her watch child pornography with him, and did other horrible things. He threatened to kill our family for years if she were to ever tell on him because he was (and I quote) "a former marine trained to kill." Joel's own daughter testified in court that he molested her 20-something years prior to the incident involving my sister.

Because [redacted] was convicted and sentenced to 40 years imprisonment for all the child porn in his possession and molesting my little sister, he is angry and wants to make every single person out there who testified against him look bad. That's not my problem. That's HIS problem. He's the child molester who is paying for his crimes. Period.

You guys don't have to like me, don't have to like what I write, or my opinions. But for the love of decency, try to not at least (unwittingly or not) support a prison convict who robs from children and a literal pedophile all in the name of smearing my name. I say and do enough shit to piss people off without you all having to resort to supporting truly evil people who have committed truly evil crimes.

Anyway, I know that was a very long post, but it needed to be said (in haste, mind you, so sorry about any typos).

Again, if any of you have questions about the upcoming book, I will answer to the best of my abilities, time permitting. Thanks!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Since posting the above, a poster called 'Mo' in another place has demolished Chelsea Hoffman's book in strong terms, thus:

Don't bother downloading peeps - it's c-r-a-p!

There are supposedly 824 pages to this book but they are not standard pages. CH lists the 48 questions put to KM which takes up 4 pages.

The book is not factually correct, it jumps from GA's book to MSM and then brings in newspaper cuttings of other cases. There is nothing new and nothing libellous in the book, which I should have realised before purchasing. Quite frankly there is more information on the forums than in this so called book. I will wait to read GA's second book, after all the only people who know the truth are the PJ, OG and of course the McCanns.

Sorry forgot to add there is no conclusion, here is a copy of the last paragraphs -

I think it’s about time that Kate and Gerry McCann came forward and admit that their actions on that night in 2007 facilitated Maddie’s disappearance. I think it’s time that this family acknowledge the role that they did indeed play (at the least) in this tragic incident. On the other hand, I can’t help but wonder why Kate and Gerry seem so convinced that leaving their children unsupervised didn’t contribute to Madeleine’s disappearance. This is just speculation, but perhaps Kate and Gerry believe this way, because they know what actually caused Madeleine’s disappearance? At any rate, there is no shame in admitting that you’re not a perfect parent. It’s time that Kate and Gerry at least admit that much. People make mistakes all the time, and if Madeleine McCann was truly kidnapped by an intruder, and Kate and Gerry truly have nothing to hide, then why not admit to the world that they made a regretful decision on that fateful night? Do they not have any regret? I also believe it’s time for Kate and Gerry to abandon any lawsuits associated with this case. I don’t understand how they can get away with suing people for expressing their thoughts on the case especially when those thoughts are based in evidence and the behavior of Kate and Gerry. I think, their time would be better spent actually searching for Madeleine, instead of searching for ways to manipulate the public in to accepting their sides of the
story. That’s especially since they’ve actually done nothing but be uncooperative with efforts to find Madeleine and get to the bottom of what happened to her. They’ve refused to answer numerous questions, and refuse to get a polygraph yet they expect the entire world to lay at their feet in acceptance of the “Madeleine was kidnapped. Nothing to see here, folks,” rhetoric. Truth be told, there has been at least one incident where Kate McCann appeared to express guilt for leaving her children alone. However, she still clarified (at the time) that she believes Madeleine would have disappeared under other circumstances, and that she’d still feel guilt. In a way, she still would not acknowledge that regardless of whether Madeleine was harmed or kidnapped leaving her without their supervision made it absolutely possible. Also troubling to me, is the fact that Kate McCann has been made an “ambassador” for the British Missing People organization. Meanwhile, there are mothers of children missing for far longer who haven’t been made ambassador. Kerry Needham comes to mind, a woman who has endured the horrifying pain of having a lost child for more than twenty years. Her son, Ben Needham, vanished while on the Greek island of Kos. Like Maddie, this child has never been found. I can tell you a huge difference between Kerry Needham and Kate McCann socalled Missing People ambassador. There has never been evidence against the woman in her own son’s tragic disappearance. The same absolutely cannot be said about Kate. That’s why I think Kate should show a little grace, and stop soaking in the spotlight while she knows that more than half of the people who know about this case hold her responsible for it. I think it’s time for her to abandon that role as ambassador,and leave it open to mothers of missing children who aren’t under intense scrutiny by the public and detectives. The fact that this woman is an ambassador for missing people, is a slap in the face to those who are actually searching for answers in their children’s cases.

LINK to Kindle version:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-really-happened-ebook/dp/B01JVLAYP4/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1470561547&sr=1

by Doug D 07.08.16 14:21

43 pages on my Kindle, from Amazon for £3.77.

To be fair, a reasonable collection of snippets of information, (all of which could be found on here, McCann files, etc, etc), but it doesn’t add anything new and she basically goes along with Amaral’s ‘accident & hide’ theory.

Quite why anybody (other than me!) would bother to pay for it is a bit of a mystery.

If it brings more people to the case all well and good, but not a ‘terms of reference’ book to be used and not something I’d bother to read or go through again with a fine tooth comb.

The only real error that jumped out from a quick read was that she states that ‘not long after KM refused to answer 48 questions during a police interrogation, both the parents of missing Maddie were declared arguidos in the case’, whereas the questions were actually asked in her arguido interview.

She goes with Gerry ‘Smithman’ McCann as far as the photofits are concerned, has a chat with Birch, suggesting that digging up the driveway can at least do no harm and calls on the Mc’s to submit to lie-detectors.

She also raises the question:
‘Did investigators ever check the miles driven on the rental car……?.’ but makes no explanation of why she asks the question, so unless you are already familiar with the case you would not know why she was asking it.

There are far better introductions to the case for a ‘newbie’, such as Richard Hall’s and HiDeHo’s videos and I wouldn’t bother to recommend it to anyone.

At least the S & S ‘novel’ gave you something to get wound up about.

by willowthewisp 07.08.16 14:25

I do not think Chelsea Hoffman will be on Kate and Gerry's Xmas card list after reading the last few paragraphs kindly supplied by Mr Bennett, keep up the good work, one day there will be Justice for Madeleine.

by **Tony Bennett** 07.08.16 14:32

Doug D wrote:She goes with Gerry ‘Smithman’ McCann as far as the photofits are concerned, has a chat with Birch, suggesting that digging up the driveway can at least do no harm and calls on the Mc’s to submit to lie-detectors.

Truly awful, what an appalling waste of effort

by Liz Eagles 07.08.16 14:37

Summers & Swan managed an audience with Operation Grange. Can you believe that! Someone wants to write a book and gets an audience with an ongoing UK 'investigative team' that has no jurisdiction in Portugal? The book is then promoted by Jim Gamble.

You can't make this up.

by Liz Eagles 07.08.16 14:39

Tony Bennett wrote:
Doug D wrote:She goes with Gerry ‘Smithman’ McCann as far as the photofits are concerned, has a chat with Birch, suggesting that digging up the driveway can at least do no harm and calls on the Mc’s to submit to lie-detectors.
Truly awful, what an appalling waste of effort

Just a load of twaddle. Mark Williams Thomas is much the same.

by Guest 07.08.16 15:05

aquila wrote:Summers & Swan managed an audience with Operation Grange. Can you believe that! Someone wants to write a book and gets an audience with an ongoing UK 'investigative team' that has no jurisdiction in Portugal? The book is then promoted by Jim Gamble.

It is pretty astonishing.

In my opinion it was collusion.

Whatever happened, this is very big with big powerful players.

by **Tony Bennett** 07.08.16 18:01

'The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann - What Really Happened?' is now No. 1 best-seller on the Amazon 'True Crime' section, according to Chelsea Hoffman:

Chelsea Hoffman @CHProfiler

New #McCann book is #1 on Amazon Bestseller list for #TrueCrime check it out, friends :) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01JVLAYP4

I make that two American criminal profilers in a row who have suggested that Martin Smith really saw Gerry McCann carrying his dead daughter around the streets of Praia da Luz at the same time as his wife was raising the alarm

bored

by Doug D 08.08.16 10:36

Zora McCartney sums it up nicely:

New Madeleine McCann book reveals possible location of child's body

After nearly a decade, will Maddie's tragic disappearance finally be solved?

…………………………………….

‪Zora McCartney It's Stephen bloody Birch!! She's only gone and interviewed Stephen bloody Birch. I sure as hell won't be wasting my money...

15 hrs

by Amy Dean 08.08.16 11:39

The only thing that I can think of to say on hearing that Stephen Birch is quoted as a reliable source of information is OMG!

If Chelsea Hoffman had any credibility left before writing this book, she hasn't now.

by Liz Eagles 08.08.16 12:29

I'd like to explain this forum's encounter with Stephen Birch. He arrived on the forum at a time when there was a 'liberal' admin/moderator who accommodated this idiot and a lot of other idiots at the time - the same admin/moderator went on to form her own forum and has continued to host idiots who are hell bent on believing nutcase activity and chew the cud over everything charlatans have to say.

Stephen Birch posted and I was the first person to comment on his post - and called him a nutcase because that's exactly what he is. I was severely castigated for my remark.

If anyone has based a book (or even an opinion) on anything Birch has to say....they are idiots.

by Guest 08.08.16 12:47

Tony Bennett wrote:'The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann - What Really Happened?' is now No. 1 best-seller on the Amazon 'True Crime' section, according to Chelsea Hoffman:

Chelsea Hoffman @CHProfiler

New #McCann book is #1 on Amazon Bestseller list for #TrueCrime check it out, friends :) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01JVLAYP4

I make that two American criminal profilers in a row who have suggested that Martin Smith really saw Gerry McCann carrying his dead daughter around the streets of Praia da Luz at the same time as his wife was raising the alarm

After watching HiDeHo's latest video, I had a thought about why Criminal Profiler Pat Brown book was allegedly removed from amazon.co.uk by the strong arm of Messrs Carter Ruck when other books critical of the McCanns are still available for purchase.

To check the details I typed Madeleine McCann in the Amazon search engine and for starters no Chelsea Hoffman book appeared - still, early days. Enter the full title and author and it appears but without rating or review. Not surprising as it's only just been published!

Back to the Pat Brown saga - these two kindle books relating to the case of Madeleine McCann are still on sale through amazon.co.uk..

The Truth Is Out There: Madeleine (April 2016)
By Peter Sharrenberg

The Disappearance of Madeleine 'Maddie' McCann (December 2013)
By Evelyn J. Biluk and Edward A. Wilson

Add this to the number of scathing books about the case on sale through other publishers, I'm curious to know why only Pat Brown's book was allegedly
withdrawn from sale by Amazon.

?

by **HiDeHo** 11.08.16 22:32

aquila wrote:I'd like to explain this forum's encounter with Stephen Birch. He arrived on the forum at a time when there was a 'liberal' admin/moderator who accommodated this idiot and a lot of other idiots at the time - the same admin/moderator went on to form her own forum and has continued to host idiots who are hell bent on believing nutcase activity and chew the cud over everything charlatans have to say.

Stephen Birch posted and I was the first person to comment on his post - and called him a nutcase because that's exactly what he is. I was severely castigated for my remark.

If anyone has based a book (or even an opinion) on anything Birch has to say....they are idiots.

7 hrs of my life lost that I will never get back... adding a video of his interview...

I guess that puts me well under what you classify Aquila :)

Hey... I'm not posting it. It's more for archaeological reference, never to be exhumed.

by **HiDeHo** 11.08.16 22:42

Doesn't answer your question Verdi but does explain..

Just noticed I have the Details link to CMOMM :)

by Guest 12.08.16 0:47

HiDeHo wrote:
Doesn't answer your question Verdi but does explain..

Just noticed I have the Details link to CMOMM :)

Thank you HiDeHo!

As you will be aware, Pat Brown has explained the position via Tony - I have to admit I wasn't aware that her book was co-authored by Goncalo Amaral and Joanne Morais. That simple fact might explain a lot.

Think I've said before, in fairness to Pat Brown she wasn't working on the case of Madeleine McCann in an official capacity so her position is no different than the rest of us as regards to truth.

by Liz Eagles 12.08.16 12:09

Verdi wrote:
HiDeHo wrote:
Doesn't answer your question Verdi but does explain..

Just noticed I have the Details link to CMOMM :)

Thank you HiDeHo!

As you will be aware, Pat Brown has explained the position via Tony - I have to admit I wasn't aware that her book was co-authored by Goncalo Amaral and Joanne Morais. That simple fact might explain a lot.

Think I've said before, in fairness to Pat Brown she wasn't working on the case of Madeleine McCann in an official capacity so her position is no different than the rest of us as regards to truth.

I must have missed something here Verdi. Would you supply information as to Pat Brown's book being co-authored by Goncalo Amaral and Joanna Morais please.

by Guest 12.08.16 12:21

aquila wrote:I must have missed something here Verdi. Would you supply information as to Pat Brown's book being co-authored by Goncalo Amaral and Joanna Morais please.

The communication received by Tony from Pat Brown posted-up on another thread. I quote..

"Also, to let you all know, it was my preference to write this book as a combined effort with two other authors, Goncalo Amaral and Joana Morais. My agent struck that down because she believed that the publishers would not want a multiple author book with nonAmerican cowriters."

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13052-pat-brown-us-publishers-still-afraid-to-publish-a-truthful-book-about-madeleine-mccann#347695

by Liz Eagles 12.08.16 12:31

Verdi wrote:
aquila wrote:I must have missed something here Verdi. Would you supply information as to Pat Brown's book being co-authored by Goncalo Amaral and Joanna Morais please.
The communication received by Tony from Pat Brown posted-up on another thread. I quote..

"Also, to let you all know, it was my preference to write this book as a combined effort with two other authors, Goncalo Amaral and Joana Morais. My agent struck that down because she believed that the publishers would not want a multiple author book with nonAmerican cowriters."

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13052-pat-brown-us-publishers-still-afraid-to-publish-a-truthful-book-about-madeleine-mccann#347695

So is Pat Brown saying her book is made up of three authors? because 'combined effort with two other authors' is really open to ambiguity.

by Amy Dean 12.08.16 12:33

So the book wasn't co-authored then. That's what Pat wanted but it didn't happen.

That's how I read it anyway.

by Liz Eagles 12.08.16 12:40

Amy Dean wrote:So the book wasn't co-authored then. That's what Pat wanted but it didn't happen.

That's how I read it anyway.

That's exactly how I read it too which is why I don't understand the cryptic response.

by Guest 12.08.16 13:00

Amy Dean wrote:So the book wasn't co-authored then. That's what Pat wanted but it didn't happen.

That's how I read it anyway.

Why mention it then? Co-writer to me means exactly that - one who co-writes. What was the alternative, to continue on the same principle but leaving out the names of the co-writers?

Judging by the interview posted by HiDeHo where the book ban was discussed, Pat Brown's theory is very much in accordance with Goncalo Amaral's 'The Truth of the Lie'.

by Liz Eagles 12.08.16 13:07

Verdi wrote:
Amy Dean wrote:So the book wasn't co-authored then. That's what Pat wanted but it didn't happen.

That's how I read it anyway.
Why mention it then? Co-writer to me means exactly that - one who co-writes. What was the alternative, to continue on the same principle but leaving out the names of the co-writers?

Judging by the interview posted by HiDeHo where the book ban was discussed, Pat Brown's theory is very much in accordance with Goncalo Amaral's 'The Truth of the Lie'.

You missed out the bit about 'it was my preference' which negates any fact.

by Amy Dean 12.08.16 13:25

Thank you Aquila. Pat would like to have had them as co-authors - whether she even asked them, we don't know - but her agent didn't agree.

by Guest 12.08.16 14:17

aquila wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Amy Dean wrote:So the book wasn't co-authored then. That's what Pat wanted but it didn't happen.

That's how I read it anyway.
Why mention it then? Co-writer to me means exactly that - one who co-writes. What was the alternative, to continue on the same principle but leaving out the names of the co-writers?

Judging by the interview posted by HiDeHo where the book ban was discussed, Pat Brown's theory is very much in accordance with Goncalo Amaral's 'The Truth of the Lie'.
You missed out the bit about 'it was my preference' which negates any fact.

I stand corrected!

I didn't miss the bit 'it was my preference' but admit that I most likely misinterpreted the meaning taken in sentence context. Heaven knows, there's enough false information surrounding this case without me adding to it yes

.

I'll relegate myself to the corner and reflect on my thickness..

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by woodpecker 14.08.16 13:21

I bought Chelsea's book which is very overpriced for the slim volume it is. I also bought the Summers and Swan book. What an idiot I was on both counts. I actually got kate's book madeleine for free as a friend passed it on to me.

I was taken aback by the spelling, grammar and style etc. I don't expect American's to be as good as us Brits re these matters (!) but I do expect them to use the spelling and grammar check on their word processing package.

yes it is a short read that might get someone who is only a little interested more interested and that it is good thing but she stretches her credibility (does she have any?) with various mistakes. Towards the end she refers to TWO children left alone in the holiday apartment. Is this another mistake or is she trying to tell us something - that Madeleine was not there that night, only her twin brother and sister?

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