"WE" were 'DUPED'!

jeanmonroe wrote:Maybe I should change the 'title' of this topic to "WE were NOT DUPED" re: 'the 'threats' of 'leaving the EU' from CameRUN and his 'chums'!  

Yes jean, we are undupable!

Which is why we are Kate and Gerry McCann's worst nightmare.

I.m not saying attacks don't happen and neither am I saying they don't get a deservedly bad time. The high profile cases obviously get segregated for their own protection, but to me they should all be hung for hurting a child that way, BUT I was shocked when my pal pointed a female sex offender out to me in the visiting room, and I then felt like leaving! She looked like a normal middle class mum! But that's what these beasts rely on, they don't have horns growing out their heads for you to tell who's what or not.x

Murder of Ellie Butler by dad Ben Butler warrants public inquiry, says south London coroner Selena Lynch
 
2 days ago / Sean Morrison, Reporter – Sutton
 
A coroner has said she believes a public inquiry or inquest should be held into the murder of six-year-old Ellie Butler.
 
Selena Lynch, senior coroner for south London, held a preliminary hearing this afternoon to consider whether to investigate the circumstances surrounding the little girl’s death at the hands of her father in 2013.
 
Ben Butler was jailed for life last month for beating Ellie to death in a fit of rage at their home in Westover Close, Belmont, but last week it emerged he was appealing his conviction.
 
At a hearing at Croydon Coroner’s Court, Ms Lynch said she believed a judge’s decision to return Ellie to the custody of her parents 11 months before she died, and the family’s involvement with social workers, merited an investigation.
 
But she said her hands were tied until Butler’s appeal had run its course.
 
Ms Lynch said: “I don't think I am in a position to make any order at the moment. We just have to wait now and see what happens in the criminal court.”
 
But she added: "I am mindful that the clock is ticking. It is not just the sibling suffering all of this, it is the wider family.”
 
Ellie's grandfather, Neal Gray, has urged for a public inquiry into a 2012 family court ruling by Mrs Justice Hogg, who allowed Ellie to return to her parents after Butler’s conviction for shaking her as a baby was overturned.
 
Speaking after today’s review hearing, the 70-year-old said: “I am really grateful to the coroner for having this meeting today.
 
"I am deeply concerned about the decisions made in the family court that led to Ellie being placed in such a dangerous situation.
 
"My aim is to get answers and make sure that lessons are learned so that this cannot happen to another child.”
 
Following Butler's conviction for murder, Sutton Safeguarding Children Board published a serious case review which found Mrs Justice Hogg’s decision left social services powerless to intervene to prevent Ellie's death.
 
A Sutton Council spokesman said: “We will fully cooperate with the course of action the coroner decides to take.
 
“We support the findings and recommendations of the independent serious case review carried out on behalf of Sutton's Safeguarding Children Board.”
 
Ms Lynch gave no indication of when she would decide whether to reopen the inquest, which would a highly unusual move for a case in which someone has been convicted of causing a person’s death.
 
But she stressed that the idea currently remained “premature”.
 
http://www.suttonguardian.co.uk/NEWS/14649396.Murder_of_six_year_old_Ellie_Butler_warrants_public_inquiry__says_coroner/

I've looked everywhere on the forum for an appropriate thread to stick this - that is not an open invitation!  Never seen it before..

CBBC newsround:  16th May 2007


[Note:  CBBC is a BBC children's television strand aimed for older children aged from 6 to 12]


Madeleine suspect defends himself




The British man who was questioned by police in Portugal about Madeleine McCann has said he was not involved with her disappearance.


Robert Murat, 33, was questioned for 12 hours over missing Madeleine and his mother's home was searched.

Mr Murat's cousin, Sally Eveleigh, spoke to BBC reporters for him as Portuguese law says that he can't talk to the media direct.
Sally said: "His whole life's fallen apart from being over-enthusiastic."


Click here to get advice on dealing with upsetting news


She added: "He was trying to help people as he always does - that's his way."

Mr Murat said he was helping English and Portuguese speakers talk to each other and said he knows nothing about how Madeleine went missing.

More help


Madeleine disappeared from her holiday apartment in Portugal 13 days ago while her mum and dad were out.
Earlier, the four-year-old's aunt, Philomena McCann, said top politician Gordon Brown had offered "practical help" in the hunt for her niece.

Yellow ribbons
Many MPs in the House of Commons wore yellow ribbons that have become a sign of hope that Madeleine will be found soon.

Phil McCann took a big photo of Madeleine to the Houses of Parliament

Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott - standing in for Tony Blair at Prime Minister's Question Time - will meet Madeleine's aunt later.

He told the House of Commons: "I'm sure that the thoughts of the whole House will be with them at this terrible time."
Later on Wednesday, other family members are to launch a fund at the Walkers Stadium in Leicester to help cover the cost of rising legal bills.

"Extremely rare"
Simon Calder, a travel expert, says it is important to remember that disappearances like this are very rare.
He said: "Of course, everyone is terribly sad about what's been happening in Portugal and I can understand children thinking, 'I'm not really sure I want to go on holiday'.

Simon Calder

"But actually it's extremely rare that any harm will come to you," he added.
Mr Calder continued: "On every day, on average, 100,000 British people go abroad on lovely family holidays and come back just with happy memories."



How has Madeleine's disappearance affected you?






http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_6650000/newsid_6657200/6657231.stm

I find it unbelievable that innocent children are encouraged to think about and comment on a missing three years old strangers child.  Children should be allowed to be children and be protected from the evils of society as far as possible.  Who on earth thought it appropriate to introduce the subject to children's television, particularly during an active police investigation and only a few days after Madeleine's disappearance.

Is it me?

Please move if necessary.

Oh I dunno Verdi, Gerry couldn't contain himself in his blog and had to give a clue to the J.K. Rowling connection with the bookmark stuff....and then there was the rejected cinema adverts that were in the poorest of taste.

‘May be called’ but couldn’t ‘be compelled’.
 
So presumably this would change if it became a public enquiry.
 
…………………………….
 
Ellie Butler family court judge may be called to 'inevitable' inquest
 
Dame Mary Hogg, who ruled that girl should be returned to father who later murdered her, could be asked to give evidence
 
Diane Taylor
Tuesday 29 November 2016 14.35 GMT
 
The family court judge who ruled that Ellie Butler should be returned to her violent father, who subsequently murdered her, could be required to give evidence at an inquest into the six-year-old’s death, a coroner has said.
 
At a hearing at Croydon coroner’s court into whether to reopen the inquest into Ellie’s death, senior coroner Selena Lynch said the role of the family court played a key part in the case, and that the judge, Dame Mary Hogg, could be asked to attend.
 
“My feeling is that the resumption of the inquest is inevitable because there has been a breach of the article 2 (of the Human Rights Act) duty to protect life,” Lynch said.
 
She added that any investigation of the judiciary raised constitutional issues. She also highlighted the difficulty of a more junior court investigating a higher one.
 
“How can I investigate a superior court?” Lynch asked.
 
“The coroner has the power to summon witnesses and compel evidence of investigations. The Ministry of Justice and Mrs Justice Hogg could be required to attend. There is nothing in law to prevent them from being required to attend but a judge would not be compellable,.”
 
The coroner added that the scope of the inquest would be wide ranging. As well as engaging with the family court she requested evidence from the social workers at Sutton council, the independent social workers from Services For Children (S4C) who supervised Ellie’s return to her parents, the two schools the child attended, her paediatrician, her GP as well as the two hospitals (Chelsea & Westminster and St Helier) where her mother, Jennie Gray, attended after violence from her partner, Ben Butler.
 
Lynch said she would be exploring systemic issues about information-sharing and recording, the framework of cooperation between independent social workers and the council, the lack of communication in relation to putting together the bigger picture in relation to Ellie and identifying the risk to her.
 
Lynch said she favoured a public inquiry rather than an inquest to look at the issues arising from Ellie’s death because they were so wide ranging. However, no decision has yet been made about that and the coroner instructed Sutton social services, the S4C social workers and Ellie’s schools and GP to submit reports to her within 56 days.
 
As far as involving the family court in the inquest, Lynch said she intended to write directly to the secretary of state and would invite Ministry of Justice to engage directly with the coroner’s court.
 
She added that there were ongoing discussions between the president of the family court, Sir James Munby, and officials involved with the serious case review into Ellie’s death.
 
The girl’s grandfather Neal Gray welcomed Tuesday’s developments, saying: “I’m pleased things are moving forward, I don’t mind which way things are done, either by an inquest or a public inquiry, as long as the truth comes out about the role of the individuals and organisations involved with Ellie before she was murdered.”
 
It emerged last week that Jennie Gray had lodged an out of time appeal against her conviction for child cruelty towards Ellie. The coroner said on Thursday that Ben Butler had also lodged appeal papers but that these had been returned for technical reasons.
 
Butler, 36, was jailed for life with a minimum term of 23 years in June for murdering Ellie. Gray was sentenced to 42 months for child cruelly and attempting to pervert the course of justice.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/29/ellie-bulter-inquest-could-call-family-court-judge-to-give-evidence-coroner-father-murder?CMP=share_btn_tw

Verdi wrote:I've looked everywhere on the forum for an appropriate thread to stick this - that is not an open invitation!  Never seen it before..

CBBC newsround:  16th May 2007


[Note:  CBBC is a BBC children's television strand aimed for older children aged from 6 to 12]


Madeleine suspect defends himself




The British man who was questioned by police in Portugal about Madeleine McCann has said he was not involved with her disappearance.


Robert Murat, 33, was questioned for 12 hours over missing Madeleine and his mother's home was searched.

Mr Murat's cousin, Sally Eveleigh, spoke to BBC reporters for him as Portuguese law says that he can't talk to the media direct.
Sally said: "His whole life's fallen apart from being over-enthusiastic."


Click here to get advice on dealing with upsetting news


She added: "He was trying to help people as he always does - that's his way."

Mr Murat said he was helping English and Portuguese speakers talk to each other and said he knows nothing about how Madeleine went missing.

More help


Madeleine disappeared from her holiday apartment in Portugal 13 days ago while her mum and dad were out.
Earlier, the four-year-old's aunt, Philomena McCann, said top politician Gordon Brown had offered "practical help" in the hunt for her niece.

Yellow ribbons
Many MPs in the House of Commons wore yellow ribbons that have become a sign of hope that Madeleine will be found soon.

Phil McCann took a big photo of Madeleine to the Houses of Parliament

Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott - standing in for Tony Blair at Prime Minister's Question Time - will meet Madeleine's aunt later.

He told the House of Commons: "I'm sure that the thoughts of the whole House will be with them at this terrible time."
Later on Wednesday, other family members are to launch a fund at the Walkers Stadium in Leicester to help cover the cost of rising legal bills.

"Extremely rare"
Simon Calder, a travel expert, says it is important to remember that disappearances like this are very rare.
He said: "Of course, everyone is terribly sad about what's been happening in Portugal and I can understand children thinking, 'I'm not really sure I want to go on holiday'.

Simon Calder

"But actually it's extremely rare that any harm will come to you," he added.
Mr Calder continued: "On every day, on average, 100,000 British people go abroad on lovely family holidays and come back just with happy memories."



How has Madeleine's disappearance affected you?






http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_6650000/newsid_6657200/6657231.stm

I find it unbelievable that innocent children are encouraged to think about and comment on a missing three years old strangers child.  Children should be allowed to be children and be protected from the evils of society as far as possible.  Who on earth thought it appropriate to introduce the subject to children's television, particularly during an active police investigation and only a few days after Madeleine's disappearance.

Is it me?

Please move if necessary.

Not appropriate  Verdi I agree and in Murats cousins words OVER ENTHUSIASTIC on so many levels! 

MayMuse wrote:

Verdi wrote:I've looked everywhere on the forum for an appropriate thread to stick this - that is not an open invitation!  Never seen it before..

CBBC newsround:  16th May 2007


[Note:  CBBC is a BBC children's television strand aimed for older children aged from 6 to 12]


Madeleine suspect defends himself




The British man who was questioned by police in Portugal about Madeleine McCann has said he was not involved with her disappearance.


Robert Murat, 33, was questioned for 12 hours over missing Madeleine and his mother's home was searched.

Mr Murat's cousin, Sally Eveleigh, spoke to BBC reporters for him as Portuguese law says that he can't talk to the media direct.
Sally said: "His whole life's fallen apart from being over-enthusiastic."


Click here to get advice on dealing with upsetting news


She added: "He was trying to help people as he always does - that's his way."

Mr Murat said he was helping English and Portuguese speakers talk to each other and said he knows nothing about how Madeleine went missing.

More help


Madeleine disappeared from her holiday apartment in Portugal 13 days ago while her mum and dad were out.
Earlier, the four-year-old's aunt, Philomena McCann, said top politician Gordon Brown had offered "practical help" in the hunt for her niece.

Yellow ribbons
Many MPs in the House of Commons wore yellow ribbons that have become a sign of hope that Madeleine will be found soon.

Phil McCann took a big photo of Madeleine to the Houses of Parliament

Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott - standing in for Tony Blair at Prime Minister's Question Time - will meet Madeleine's aunt later.

He told the House of Commons: "I'm sure that the thoughts of the whole House will be with them at this terrible time."
Later on Wednesday, other family members are to launch a fund at the Walkers Stadium in Leicester to help cover the cost of rising legal bills.

"Extremely rare"
Simon Calder, a travel expert, says it is important to remember that disappearances like this are very rare.
He said: "Of course, everyone is terribly sad about what's been happening in Portugal and I can understand children thinking, 'I'm not really sure I want to go on holiday'.

Simon Calder

"But actually it's extremely rare that any harm will come to you," he added.
Mr Calder continued: "On every day, on average, 100,000 British people go abroad on lovely family holidays and come back just with happy memories."



How has Madeleine's disappearance affected you?






http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_6650000/newsid_6657200/6657231.stm

I find it unbelievable that innocent children are encouraged to think about and comment on a missing three years old strangers child.  Children should be allowed to be children and be protected from the evils of society as far as possible.  Who on earth thought it appropriate to introduce the subject to children's television, particularly during an active police investigation and only a few days after Madeleine's disappearance.

Is it me?

Please move if necessary.

Not appropriate  Verdi I agree and in Murats cousins words OVER ENTHUSIASTIC on so many levels! 

It might be interesting to note..

CBBC Headquarters:

BBC Television Center (1985-2011)

MediaCityUK Salford, (2011-present)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBBC

Now let me think - who do we know from MediaCityUK Salford that has been heavily involved with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? 



Jon Corner - Director of MediaCityUK


Small world innit?

Verdi wrote:

MayMuse wrote:

Verdi wrote:I've looked everywhere on the forum for an appropriate thread to stick this - that is not an open invitation!  Never seen it before..

CBBC newsround:  16th May 2007


[Note:  CBBC is a BBC children's television strand aimed for older children aged from 6 to 12]


Madeleine suspect defends himself




The British man who was questioned by police in Portugal about Madeleine McCann has said he was not involved with her disappearance.


Robert Murat, 33, was questioned for 12 hours over missing Madeleine and his mother's home was searched.

Mr Murat's cousin, Sally Eveleigh, spoke to BBC reporters for him as Portuguese law says that he can't talk to the media direct.
Sally said: "His whole life's fallen apart from being over-enthusiastic."


Click here to get advice on dealing with upsetting news


She added: "He was trying to help people as he always does - that's his way."

Mr Murat said he was helping English and Portuguese speakers talk to each other and said he knows nothing about how Madeleine went missing.

More help


Madeleine disappeared from her holiday apartment in Portugal 13 days ago while her mum and dad were out.
Earlier, the four-year-old's aunt, Philomena McCann, said top politician Gordon Brown had offered "practical help" in the hunt for her niece.

Yellow ribbons
Many MPs in the House of Commons wore yellow ribbons that have become a sign of hope that Madeleine will be found soon.

Phil McCann took a big photo of Madeleine to the Houses of Parliament

Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott - standing in for Tony Blair at Prime Minister's Question Time - will meet Madeleine's aunt later.

He told the House of Commons: "I'm sure that the thoughts of the whole House will be with them at this terrible time."
Later on Wednesday, other family members are to launch a fund at the Walkers Stadium in Leicester to help cover the cost of rising legal bills.

"Extremely rare"
Simon Calder, a travel expert, says it is important to remember that disappearances like this are very rare.
He said: "Of course, everyone is terribly sad about what's been happening in Portugal and I can understand children thinking, 'I'm not really sure I want to go on holiday'.

Simon Calder

"But actually it's extremely rare that any harm will come to you," he added.
Mr Calder continued: "On every day, on average, 100,000 British people go abroad on lovely family holidays and come back just with happy memories."



How has Madeleine's disappearance affected you?






http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_6650000/newsid_6657200/6657231.stm

I find it unbelievable that innocent children are encouraged to think about and comment on a missing three years old strangers child.  Children should be allowed to be children and be protected from the evils of society as far as possible.  Who on earth thought it appropriate to introduce the subject to children's television, particularly during an active police investigation and only a few days after Madeleine's disappearance.

Is it me?

Please move if necessary.

Not appropriate  Verdi I agree and in Murats cousins words OVER ENTHUSIASTIC on so many levels! 

It might be interesting to note..

CBBC Headquarters:

BBC Television Center (1985-2011)

MediaCityUK Salford, (2011-present)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBBC

Now let me think - who do we know from MediaCityUK Salford that has been heavily involved with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? 



Jon Corner - Director of MediaCityUK


Small world innit?

Tiny very tiny 

On 3 September 2007, the CSO studio was dropped in a relaunch which saw a small studio set built in TC12.^[14][15] As part of the relaunch, new logos, presenters and idents were introduced. The design of the new 'office' set has been compared to the original 'broom cupboard', though unlike the 'broom cupboard' the 'office' is not a functioning continuity suite. CBBC presentation originated from Studio HQ5 at MediaCityUK in Salford Quays for the first time on Monday 5 September 2011 as part of the relocation of the BBC's Children's department (incorporating both CBBC and CBeebies).