"The Three Burglars" - A list of reasons why Operation Grange and the government can't be allowed to wrap up the Madeleine McCann case by pinning this on Jose Carlos da Silva, Ricardo Rodrigues & Paulo Riberio

by **Tony Bennett** 29.04.16 8:05

OK, I am starting off this thread with eight questions. I hope members here will add to my list:

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1. Why would a team of three burglars raid that particular apartment, with the McCann and their friends regularly checking it?

2. Why did no-one else see or hear this team of burglars raiding the apartment and carrying away a child who – if she woke up and ‘disturbed’ the burglars – was presumably awake, struggling and probably screaming?

3. Does Scotland Yard have any forensic evidence whatsoever from the McCanns’ apartment linking any of these three men to their alleged presence in that apartment that night? – No forensic evidence of an intruder has ever been found

4. Did these alleged burglars actually steal anything from the apartment? The McCanns said nothing was missing from their apartment apart from Madeleine

5. Why on earth would any burglar, raiding an apartment which was in the dark, carry away a three-year-old child who woke up, instead of just making haste and making off?

6. Does the description of any of the three men match the man who was DCI Andy Redwood’s chief suspect – and ‘the centre of our focus’ - on the BBC Crimewatch McCann Special transmitted on 14 October 2013?

7. What other evidence is there of the alleged activity of these three men on the night in question, apart from their making ’phone calls to each other?

8. Is it seriously claimed by Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, other senior officers of the Met, and the entire Operation Grange team, that the Portuguese Police have been furnished by Operation Grange with overwhelming evidence of the guilt of these three Portuguese men’s guilt, and yet have failed to bring charges against them? Is it not far, far more likely that the Portuguese Police can see this for what it really is - an utterly pathetic bogus claim and boast by Scotland Yard that they have ‘found’ those responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance - and are seeking, as they have done throughout, to blame the Portuguese authorities for the failure to identify the person or persons really responsible.

by NickE 29.04.16 8:28

9. And how can a drug addict and a young boy keep quiet about the crime of 2000 decade for 9 years?

by Guest 29.04.16 8:50

Has SY said officially that this is their position?

by plebgate 29.04.16 8:55

BlueBag wrote:Has SY said officially that this is their position?

AFAIK they haven't. I think The Sun article read something like - an officer said.

What sort of officer? Could it have been a monitoring officer or a PR officer. I don't think that was made clear in the article.

I find it hard to believe that a police officer would be speaking to The Sun at this stage.

I have a question though - if the police do believe that these three burglars are involved but cannot re-interview them because Pt. police will not allow it - is it possible for Maddie's parents to write a letter to the Pt. police demanding that they be re-interviewed if SY think it is a real possibility?

I think I would be kicking up one hell of a storm if I had read/been told/knew that this is the case.

by Guest 29.04.16 9:01

I thought we had easier extradition laws in the EU.

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Simple you would think?

by Mirage 29.04.16 9:04

10. Given the very localised nature of this supposed burglar activity, whose decision was it not to air the Crimewatch programme in Portugal?

by plebgate 29.04.16 9:08

Mirage wrote:10. Given the very localised nature of this supposed burglar activity, whose decision was it not to air the Crimewatch programme in Portugal?

Exactly, people in UK and Germany would be of no use in ringing up and giving info.

Sometimes I truly, truly, cannot believe what I see and read.

by Patience 29.04.16 9:15

plebgate wrote:
BlueBag wrote:Has SY said officially that this is their position?
AFAIK they haven't. I think The Sun article read something like - an officer said.

What sort of officer? Could it have been a monitoring officer or a PR officer. I don't think that was made clear in the article.

I find it hard to believe that a police officer would be speaking to The Sun at this stage.

I have a question though - if the police do believe that these three burglars are involved but cannot re-interview them because Pt. police will not allow it - is it possible for Maddie's parents to write a letter to the Pt. police demanding that they be re-interviewed if SY think it is a real possibility?

I think I would be kicking up one hell of a storm if I had read/been told/knew that this is the case.

You're quite right in saying that SY have not officially commented on this.

At the bottom of The Sun article it states :-

Scotland Yard refused to discuss the final line of inquiry for operational purposes. A spokesman said: "There is no comment while there is an on-going investigation."

by Portia 29.04.16 9:23

And aren't we just looking forward to all those comments then!

by Mirage 29.04.16 9:34

plebgate wrote:
Mirage wrote:10. Given the very localised nature of this supposed burglar activity, whose decision was it not to air the Crimewatch programme in Portugal?
Exactly, people in UK and Germany would be of no use in ringing up and giving info.

Sometimes I truly, truly, cannot believe what I see and read.

Hi Plebgate. I sometimes wonder why the establishment ever allowed people to go into secondary and tertiary education, only to feed them this utterly unbelievable tripe. It really has become a nasty sick joke and a massive insult to the intelligence.

If you look across the internet you will see the Met's reputation is in freefall over this. All the world is watching and collectively scratching its head. Just look at the different nationalities on various live traffic feeds. It's payback time of sorts, because the much traduced ORIGINAL Portuguese investigation is growing in stature as the Met take on the mantle of bungling cops.

OG and its ridiculous strutting and whiff of superiority over Johnny Foreigner, has become a cornucopia of comedy for which script writers of the future must be ecstatic. It will trump 'Yes Minister' by a country mile.

by Guest 29.04.16 9:51

11. How could this be a bungled burglary if the accused were supposedly scouting the apartment in the day (s) before, and had full knowledge that there were children, and which room they'd likely be in?

12. Why would burglars go into the children's room in the first place? The door was supposedly left slightly open (allowing an intruder to peek in). Anything of value, such as the camera which was left like a prop right in full view, would make much more sense, as well as raiding the parents' bedroom for valuables.

13. The content of the texts, if still available, must be examined to confirm this theory before any charges are placed. Without this the texts are purely circumstancial.

Slightly echoing some of Tony's questions here but with different emphasis.

by pendragon2007 29.04.16 9:57

14 How they gonna explain the dogs Eddie and Keela? Did these new "suspects" arrange with McCanns to store the body in the cupboard until they sobered up enough to move it? If not, what was it the dogs discovered?

by Guest 29.04.16 10:01

This is my edit of an existing Portuguese map of the apartment. I don't know how to phrase this in a question adequately, but the point of it is, if the door was left slightly ajar as the myth goes, this is the line of sight of anyone peeking in. They'd see the cots/twins. Knowing it's the children's room, surely they'd not go further. Add to this the fact Madeleine's bed is not only out of sight for 'them', but also she'd have no view of them unless she was physically up (which I suppose will be the line).

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by happychick 29.04.16 10:06

I'm not sure I understand your point there April28th because eyes can move from left to right as can a neck. A burglar surely wouldn't open a door and only look directly ahead.

The door opened against the wall not Madeleine's bed.

by Guest 29.04.16 10:09

Well I think if the door was ajar and they looked in, the first thing they'd see would be the twins. I don't think they'd take an extra step into the room (which they'd have to do) and look round at Madeleine's bed. It'd be more likely they'd just close the door.

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Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread.

by Mirage 29.04.16 10:11

This comment left on the Sun's article about the burglars prompted another question. To whit:

"A minor point but what a great young lad this abductor was.... Made the bed after the struggle with Maddie! I can't get my teenage lads to make their own beds!"

15. So, the bed, OG. Have you got it covered? Or...erm,....uncovered?

by Guest 29.04.16 10:14

16. Does the unknown hair sample dna found on Madeleine's bed match any of these three men?

by kaz 29.04.16 10:20

So again in the 'window of opportunity ' that night we have :

1 apartment robber carrying Madeleine away from the apartment in her pyjamas. ( one of them must have ! )
1 creche daddy who decided to come forward after several years to confess that it was he who was carrying his child in his/her pyjamas on that fateful night.
1 man spotted walking towards the sea carrying a pyjama clad child...........................though NOT dressed like a burglar ...............not in 'classic shoes' anyway.

That was some busy night in PDL. Amazing how none of the them bumped into each other .

by Mirage 29.04.16 10:27

Not forgetting that crecheman helpfully kept his child's pyjamas all down the years, just in case he could be helpful. Whilst signally failing to simply ring up the Met and say 'Guys, that was me coming back from the crèche erm... backwards.'

by dottyaussie 29.04.16 10:28

Why did Jane Tanner AGAIN not see these 'burglers' acting suspiciously in the area or the open shutters/window when she went to 'relieve' Russell ? Or for that matter why didn't Russell when he went back to the Tapas ?

by kaz 29.04.16 10:31

You know the AR's 'Revelation' moment might yet come back to bite them on the b*m.

by **Jill Havern** 29.04.16 10:31

Mirage wrote:Not forgetting that crecheman helpfully kept his child's pyjamas all down the years, just in case he could be helpful. Whilst signally failing to simply ring up the Met and say 'Guys, that was me coming back from the crèche erm... backwards.'

I love this type of thread that highlights just how bizarre this case is and how stupid TPTB think we must be! clown

by Mirage 29.04.16 10:36

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
Mirage wrote:Not forgetting that crecheman helpfully kept his child's pyjamas all down the years, just in case he could be helpful. Whilst signally failing to simply ring up the Met and say 'Guys, that was me coming back from the crèche erm... backwards.'
I love this type of thread that highlights just how bizarre this case is and how stupid TPTB think we must be!

There's plenty more where that came from. I'm just having difficulty keeping my powder dry - it's in several kegs in my basement presently!

by pendragon2007 29.04.16 10:46

Given up trying to keep up question numbering.

Why are the phone calls so important . OK 3 guys phone each other and leave their traces - fine. The McCanns phone people??? and delete calls and messages. Who would you put top of the suspect list?

Photoshoot - Operation Grange investigates suspicious phone calls made on 3rd May 2007.
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by MayMuse 29.04.16 10:55

Why insist Madeleine is 'alive & findable' to the public whilst believing she was 'murdered' in a burglary gone wrong? (Since 2014?)

It's all contradictory!

by suzyjohnson 29.04.16 11:03

Had the three burglars disturbed the sleeping Madeleine, the most likely time would have been during an attempt to open the bedroom window, with the noise of the shutters, the light entering the bedroom and the draught from the window.

If she had been woken by this, why would any burglar continue to climb in through the window to take her? They wouldn't would they? They would just abandon their attempt at burglary and run away.

If, however, the burglars had gone into the apartment through the patio doors and woken Madeleine, why on earth would they have gone to the trouble of opening the window?

by pennylane 29.04.16 11:13

Too much damning information in the PJ files strongly indicating the parents culpability.

Op Grange can't hide their lying eyes! girlno

by pendragon2007 29.04.16 11:20

Could it be that Metodo 3 have now become more trustworthy than SY's Operation Grange?

by MRNOODLES 29.04.16 11:21

Just throwing this out there for debate.

What if Rocky's book is more or less correct MM had an accident that evening/night?

What if 'a friend of a friend' knew an addict or a criminal who'd carry MM off to hide her temporarily for a bit of cash?

by Mirage 29.04.16 11:21

Question: What is the forensic evidence for ingress by three burglars and egress by three burglars plus one infant?

Question: Where on the adjusted timeline did this crime occur? (see Crimewatch for expanding window of opportunity by DCI Redwood)

"The Three Burglars" - A list of reasons why Operation Grange and the government can't be allowed to wrap up the Madeleine McCann case by pinning this on Jose Carlos da Silva, Ricardo Rodrigues & Paulo Riberio

Have Scotland Yard got the right three men who were responsible for Madeleine's disappearance?

"The Three Burglars" - A list of reasons why Operation Grange and the government can't be allowed to wrap up the Madeleine McCann case by pinning this on Jose Carlos da Silva, Ricardo Rodrigues & Paulo Riberio

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

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