If the Scotland Yard Review is Legitimate, Then the McCanns are Likely Innocent

HelenMeg wrote:

MaryB wrote:They want to be 'somebodies'.  That was clear from the outset with the photoshoots balloons, staged appearances and so on.  They want the interviews the celeb following and the TV appearances.  They like the limelight.  And anyone who stands in the way of that will be a problem.

Actually I disagree.  I think they want to be exonerated and that they cannot bear the thought of leading the remainder of their lives with the public thinking that they are guilty of something. I think that fuels their
public appearances. Yes at first, when they were treated like celebrities and made to feel important - they appeared to enjoy that - but they have a deeper wish to be 'respected' and until that happens (which it never will because the doubt will always be hanging over them) there will always be publicity stunts to try and win over a 'positive' public image.  They will always be tainted though - no matter what.

Yes, I agree with you.

But surely when Operation Grange concludes their whitewash they will be exonerated and the Portuguese will, once again, be portrayed as bungling cops? The British Media will then most likely stop reporting anything from the Portuguese as it will just continue to fuel the fire.

Dare we hope that the McCanns will just disappear then? God, I hope so, because I cannot bear to see them in the papers and on the tv anymore. Except Kate, as long as she remains Ambassador for Missing People, will always have her nose in the limelight.

I don't see the press reporting other missing children anniversaries, so why should the press continue to report on theirs once the whitewash is complete?

Yes, there will always be doubt from the people who have followed this case but the rest of the people will just accept that Portugal messed up and move on.  

And whenever Kate and Gerry come face to face with anyone they will always be unsure which side of the fence they're really on. I would hate to live the rest of my life like that, looking into people's eyes for a clue as to what they really thought of them.

It will be the same for the twins, too, because unless the McCann's disappear totally from the spotlight to let this case become stale news, then this will continue to fester as has other mysterious 'disappearances'/deaths.

I feel very sorry for the people of Portugal who have tried their best to fight the corruption of the UK Government.

Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:

MaryB wrote:They want to be 'somebodies'.  That was clear from the outset with the photoshoots balloons, staged appearances and so on.  They want the interviews the celeb following and the TV appearances.  They like the limelight.  And anyone who stands in the way of that will be a problem.

Actually I disagree.  I think they want to be exonerated and that they cannot bear the thought of leading the remainder of their lives with the public thinking that they are guilty of something. I think that fuels their
public appearances. Yes at first, when they were treated like celebrities and made to feel important - they appeared to enjoy that - but they have a deeper wish to be 'respected' and until that happens (which it never will because the doubt will always be hanging over them) there will always be publicity stunts to try and win over a 'positive' public image.  They will always be tainted though - no matter what.

Yes, I agree with you.

But surely when Operation Grange concludes their whitewash they will be exonerated and the Portuguese will, once again, be portrayed as bungling cops? The British Media will then most likely stop reporting anything from the Portuguese as it will just continue to fuel the fire.

Dare we hope that the McCanns will just disappear then? God, I hope so, because I cannot bear to see them in the papers and on the tv anymore. Except Kate, as long as she remains Ambassador for Missing People, will always have her nose in the limelight.

I don't see the press reporting other missing children anniversaries, so why should the press continue to report on theirs once the whitewash is complete?

Yes, there will always be doubt from the people who have followed this case but the rest of the people will just accept that Portugal messed up and move on.  

And whenever Kate and Gerry come face to face with anyone they will always be unsure which side of the fence they're really on. I would hate to live the rest of my life like that, looking into people's eyes for a clue as to what they really thought of them.

It will be the same for the twins, too, because unless the McCann's disappear totally from the spotlight to let this case become stale news, then this will continue to fester as has other mysterious 'disappearances'/deaths.

I feel very sorry for the people of Portugal who have tried their best to fight the corruption of the UK Government.

Excellent post GGS!

Although I think you underestimate the enormous damage Goncalo Amaral's books and future interviews will unleash on the McCanns carefully built 'abduction' empire.

pennylane wrote:

Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:

MaryB wrote:They want to be 'somebodies'.  That was clear from the outset with the photoshoots balloons, staged appearances and so on.  They want the interviews the celeb following and the TV appearances.  They like the limelight.  And anyone who stands in the way of that will be a problem.

Actually I disagree.  I think they want to be exonerated and that they cannot bear the thought of leading the remainder of their lives with the public thinking that they are guilty of something. I think that fuels their
public appearances. Yes at first, when they were treated like celebrities and made to feel important - they appeared to enjoy that - but they have a deeper wish to be 'respected' and until that happens (which it never will because the doubt will always be hanging over them) there will always be publicity stunts to try and win over a 'positive' public image.  They will always be tainted though - no matter what.

Yes, I agree with you.

But surely when Operation Grange concludes their whitewash they will be exonerated and the Portuguese will, once again, be portrayed as bungling cops? The British Media will then most likely stop reporting anything from the Portuguese as it will just continue to fuel the fire.

Dare we hope that the McCanns will just disappear then? God, I hope so, because I cannot bear to see them in the papers and on the tv anymore. Except Kate, as long as she remains Ambassador for Missing People, will always have her nose in the limelight.

I don't see the press reporting other missing children anniversaries, so why should the press continue to report on theirs once the whitewash is complete?

Yes, there will always be doubt from the people who have followed this case but the rest of the people will just accept that Portugal messed up and move on.  

And whenever Kate and Gerry come face to face with anyone they will always be unsure which side of the fence they're really on. I would hate to live the rest of my life like that, looking into people's eyes for a clue as to what they really thought of them.

It will be the same for the twins, too, because unless the McCann's disappear totally from the spotlight to let this case become stale news, then this will continue to fester as has other mysterious 'disappearances'/deaths.

I feel very sorry for the people of Portugal who have tried their best to fight the corruption of the UK Government.

Excellent post GGS!

Although I think you underestimate the enormous damage Goncalo Amaral's books and future interviews will unleash on the McCanns carefully built 'abduction' empire.

Thank you pennylane.

Yes, there's always Amaral writing books and taking part in future interviews but that will only happen in Portugal not here in the UK. 

I cannot see Amaral's books ever being allowed to be published in the UK and displayed in UK bookshops.

 
I wonder how many other crimes there are in different countries that we don't know about here because it's not allowed to be reported elsewhere?

And, yes, there's the internet of course for those that want to continue to follow this case. But how many uninformed people will simply accept the conclusion of Operation Grange and then not bother to read Amaral's books or watch his future interviews? People will simply not bother to click on links.

How many people, I wonder, have accepted that Princess Diana died because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt but bother to investigate 'conspiracy theories', for I fear that's what will become of Madeleine McCann.

The Madeleine McCann case will have a huge question mark over it, but people will move on. For instance, my sister knows that I've been following this case from the start and the closest she's got to learning anything about it is by reading Kate McCann's book. I do not talk about this case with her because I know which side of the fence she's on and the conclusion of Operation Grange will reinforce her opinion and there will be many people just like her who will simply not bother to read further because there is so much more to do in life.

I think they are looking for the things money cannot  buy. Peace of mind, professional status, respect, reputation, social acceptance. All lost when they started telling lies and suing people with donated money. A morality tale of epic proportions.

 Now they are condemned to acting out a lie for the rest of their lives. And getting older brings reflection for us all. We look back, wish we had done better. Most learn from this and develop into better versions of ourselves. We make up for shortcomings. We dote on the grandchildren. We get all sorts of second chances. I am at the stage where the poignant innocence of children touches me deeply.

 These natural experiences and changes as part of personal evolution are cut off and will be part of the price to be paid into the future. It's  like a ghastly version of the Myth of Sisyphus. Constantly rolling that stone up a hill only for the weight to fall back on you at the summit and roll all the way to the bottom again.

 Never fulfilling the person you thought you were going to be when young and ambitious is a heavy burden. There is only one way to set yourself free in this situation. Of course, it brings its own price. But which is the more costly in the end? 

HelenMeg wrote:

MaryB wrote:They want to be 'somebodies'.  That was clear from the outset with the photoshoots balloons, staged appearances and so on.  They want the interviews the celeb following and the TV appearances.  They like the limelight.  And anyone who stands in the way of that will be a problem.

Actually I disagree.  I think they want to be exonerated and that they cannot bear the thought of leading the remainder of their lives with the public thinking that they are guilty of something. I think that fuels their
public appearances. Yes at first, when they were treated like celebrities and made to feel important - they appeared to enjoy that - but they have a deeper wish to be 'respected' and until that happens (which it never will because the doubt will always be hanging over them) there will always be publicity stunts to try and win over a 'positive' public image.  They will always be tainted though - no matter what.

I agree Helenmeg but they don't just want to exonarated, they NEED to be exonarated. Can they and more importantly, their children, get on with their lives without it. That said, I just don't see how they will ever get it. It is going to have to be some story that SY come up with. There is just too much on the internet now that can't be removed or put down to conspiracy theory nonsense. The facts are there for all to see if they want to.  As you say, no matter what they will always be tainted.

Carrry On Doctor wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:

Carrry On Doctor wrote:I think it is important to separate the investigation from the political will behind it.

Too much emphasis is put on the OG remit of seemingly 'abduction only'. Yes, it is publicly understood as an abduction, but it is an IMPOSSIBILITY that OG do not genuinely suspect the TM's. To suggest that a vast team of murder squad detectives, with all their experience, have been genuinely chasing pimplemen seems unfair and quite disrespectful.

OG was commissioned to find answers and I believe it has a pretty good idea of what happened, but that is a totally different thing to what the politicians choose do with that information. It seemed quite apparent from the BHH interview last week that he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. BHH emphasised that OG was requested by the government, and it seems they will now have to deal the consequences of their findings, however unpalatable.

Post GA ruling, DC and the politicians know that the genie is out of the bottle, and its only going to get worse. The truth WILL come out at some point. If the politicians decide to shelve the findings of OG, then SY and the government face huge criticism and Operation Grange should be renamed Operation Whistleblower. Too many people are in the know, and Hillsborough has changed a lot.

I dont think we can separate the investigation from the political will behind it  - unfortunately. From the start, Buck was raising red flags as to the integrity of the family Mc Cann + friends. To then subsequently assign a remit such as 'investigate the  'abduction' as if.... etc' to the (1). Op Grange review / investigation was a clear intent to constrain findings. OG cannot suspect Mc Cann under a remit of 'abduction' and will never do so unless the remit has been changed.
If the investigation was being done properly and not part of a PR / Propoganda strategy then we would never have been subject to the cringingly twisted updates by Redwood. We would only receive updates in teh media along similar lines as to how Claudia Lawrence case is reported. Factual, timely and professional. (2) OG will only find and reveal what DC decides it can reveal. DC cant seem to decide how to play it and obviously lacks any 'courage'. He seems unable to rise above the twisted networks of power and corruption that lie across the establishment. Only when he decides will we see what he is made of. I dont hold much hope.
(3) Can you honestly see the day when the Mc Canns and associates are questioned?

Hello @HelenMeg, and thank you for your (as always) polite and reasoned response.
My own responses to bolded & numbered as follows;

1. As per my original post, I think too much is made of the description of the remit. What else could they say ? SY couldn't publicly describe OG as an 'Investigation into the T9'. I cant see investigators showing their hand or providing an honest running commentary.
2. Agreed, irrespective of the authenticity of OG.
3. Yes. Even if OG does turn out to be a whitewash, there are far too many people involved in OG for this not to happen in the future.

I must admit I do have my dark days, and the howls of conspiracy are particularly loud at the moment, but I am a great believer in the truth coming out in the end.

Hi Carryon Doctor

Re 3. Am really glad you think so. I do feel quite despondent at the moment about the possibility of justice..  There are times when I feel great optimism but then something (normally a statement by one of the Met police) sends me back down.

Re 1. Glad you feel that and of course you may be right. But I still think that they did not have to label it in such a specific way - for instance, they could have said 'investigation or review of the disappearance of M'.
If they did actually say 'investigate the abduction as if it had happened in the UK'  then that was unbelievably unprofessional and lacked any form of intelligence.  I find it hard to believe that they did it for any reason other than to deliberately limit the outcomes. 

Anyway, will carry on hoping that the UK will do the right thing

THE MCCANNS ARE INNOCENT THEN WHY DID THEY DECIDE TO NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS RIGHT AT THE START AND APPEAR VERY BRAZEN LIKE THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW ALL THESE YEARS. AND WHY ADVERTISE A PACT OF SILENCE NOT VERY INNOCENT BEHAVIOUR AT ALL. I hope Goncalo Amaral has something he can throw at them at some point.

Verdi wrote:

Joss wrote:

Verdi wrote:

willowthewisp wrote:A bit like the hit from Ac/DC,"Dirty deeds not done dirt cheap"?
What is it that the successive UK Governments are afraid to reveal to the public over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?

'Money for nothing - that's the way to do it...'

Dire Straits,

Quite so - and in more ways than one if I might add.  Now who can we nominate for 'Sultans of Swing'...? 

LOL,

melisande wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:

MaryB wrote:They want to be 'somebodies'.  That was clear from the outset with the photoshoots balloons, staged appearances and so on.  They want the interviews the celeb following and the TV appearances.  They like the limelight.  And anyone who stands in the way of that will be a problem.

Actually I disagree.  I think they want to be exonerated and that they cannot bear the thought of leading the remainder of their lives with the public thinking that they are guilty of something. I think that fuels their
public appearances. Yes at first, when they were treated like celebrities and made to feel important - they appeared to enjoy that - but they have a deeper wish to be 'respected' and until that happens (which it never will because the doubt will always be hanging over them) there will always be publicity stunts to try and win over a 'positive' public image.  They will always be tainted though - no matter what.

I agree Helenmeg but they don't just want to exonarated, they NEED to be exonarated. Can they and more importantly, their children, get on with their lives without it. That said, I just don't see how they will ever get it. It is going to have to be some story that SY come up with. There is just too much on the internet now that can't be removed or put down to conspiracy theory nonsense. The facts are there for all to see if they want to.  As you say, no matter what they will always be tainted.

  I agree, If as you say the McCann's need to be publicly exonerated, it won't make any difference because there will always be that portion of the general public that will never see them as innocent in the disappearance of their daughter. There will always be a cloud of suspicion over them, and exonerating them will make them feel better about living a lie? Can they live in denial forever? I wouldn't think so if they are guilty, because sooner or later they will have to deal with that, otherwise they will never start any process of forgiveness & healing if they are guilty of whatever exactly they are guilty of in the fate of their child.

Shared courtesy of Pat Brown: Criminal Profiler.

Attention members of other FB pages on Madeleine McCann: I have seen much outrage after the last post I wrote that I now consider the McCanns innocent, that I have flipflopped, that I no longer care about the case. It seems some folks really missed the whole point of the article which was: if you believe that the last line of inquiry of Scotland Yard is the McCanns, this means you believe the Scotland Yard investigation is on the up and up. So, IF they come back with an abduction, then, because you have been saying Scotland Yard is not going to be a whitewash, then, it follows that you must accept their determination and that determination would be THE McCANNS are innocent.

I, for one, do not believe the Scotland Yard investigation is now or ever has been a true investigation; I have ALWAYS believed it is a sham and that they will soon close the case down as an abduction. Because I DO believe it is a whitewash, I will NOT accept their determination; in my eyes, barring major earth shattering evidence, I still believe the McCanns to be top suspects in their daughter's disappearance.

So, if you trust Scotland Yard, then you trust their determination and when they determine an abduction, what then?

If you don't trust Scotland Yard and they determine an abduction, it will come as no surprise.

And here is exactly what I said two years ago about the Scotland Yard sham and you can see I HAVE NEVER CHANGED MY VIEW.

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/ten-reasons-why-i-cant-take-scotland.html

PS. I have never walked away from this case but I am not going to spend hours and hours on theories I do not believe in. I stick by the evidence pointing to an accident on May 3, 2007 and I have written much about the evidence that supports this. Also, considering the lack of polite discussion on this case, I am not going to engage in name-calling and slander because it makes us all look like the trolls the papers call us and this constant belittling of people who do not totally agree with our particular pet theory makes us all look bad. So, folks, I DO encourage you to continue to discuss the case, do so publicly and politely, and, hopefully, one day the truth of this case will be known. I don't believe the truth is going to come from Scotland Yard or from any big public protest in the near future, but, some day far off in the future when those in power are long gone and the truth will not affect them any longer, maybe all the facts will see the light of day.

If you are on one of these boards or a FB page where people are confused about what I am saying, please copy and paste this statement there.



The Daily Profiler: Ten Reasons why I can't take Scotland Yard Seriously in the Madeleine McCann...

Yep.

But it was pretty obvious.

I thought Pat Brown's piece was poorly written with far too many If...Then , too long and filler material.

I think people like to draw their own conclusions. I certainly do.

I think that writing  "Then the McCanns must be innocent"  was just inviting trouble when this could be cut and pasted as a stand alone.

Yes that's precisely what happened!  Pat has clarified, and I for one agree with every word in her latest blog post! 

"I, for one, do not believe the Scotland Yard investigation is now or ever has been a true investigation; I have ALWAYS believed it is a sham and that they will soon close the case down as an abduction. Because I DO believe it is a whitewash, I will NOT accept their determination; in my eyes, barring major earth shattering evidence, I still believe the McCanns to be top suspects in their daughter's disappearance."



Thank you for clarifying, and well said Pat Brown!  

Mirage wrote:I think they are looking for the things money cannot  buy. Peace of mind, professional status, respect, reputation, social acceptance. All lost when they started telling lies and suing people with donated money. A morality tale of epic proportions.

 Now they are condemned to acting out a lie for the rest of their lives. And getting older brings reflection for us all. We look back, wish we had done better. Most learn from this and develop into better versions of ourselves. We make up for shortcomings. We dote on the grandchildren. We get all sorts of second chances. I am at the stage where the poignant innocence of children touches me deeply.

 These natural experiences and changes as part of personal evolution are cut off and will be part of the price to be paid into the future. It's  like a ghastly version of the Myth of Sisyphus. Constantly rolling that stone up a hill only for the weight to fall back on you at the summit and roll all the way to the bottom again.

 Never fulfilling the person you thought you were going to be when young and ambitious is a heavy burden. There is only one way to set yourself free in this situation. Of course, it brings its own price. But which is the more costly in the end? 

  I think these are very wise words.

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pennylane wrote:

Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:

MaryB wrote:They want to be 'somebodies'.  That was clear from the outset with the photoshoots balloons, staged appearances and so on.  They want the interviews the celeb following and the TV appearances.  They like the limelight.  And anyone who stands in the way of that will be a problem.

Actually I disagree.  I think they want to be exonerated and that they cannot bear the thought of leading the remainder of their lives with the public thinking that they are guilty of something. I think that fuels their
public appearances. Yes at first, when they were treated like celebrities and made to feel important - they appeared to enjoy that - but they have a deeper wish to be 'respected' and until that happens (which it never will because the doubt will always be hanging over them) there will always be publicity stunts to try and win over a 'positive' public image.  They will always be tainted though - no matter what.

Yes, I agree with you.

But surely when Operation Grange concludes their whitewash they will be exonerated and the Portuguese will, once again, be portrayed as bungling cops? The British Media will then most likely stop reporting anything from the Portuguese as it will just continue to fuel the fire.

Dare we hope that the McCanns will just disappear then? God, I hope so, because I cannot bear to see them in the papers and on the tv anymore. Except Kate, as long as she remains Ambassador for Missing People, will always have her nose in the limelight.

I don't see the press reporting other missing children anniversaries, so why should the press continue to report on theirs once the whitewash is complete?

Yes, there will always be doubt from the people who have followed this case but the rest of the people will just accept that Portugal messed up and move on.  

And whenever Kate and Gerry come face to face with anyone they will always be unsure which side of the fence they're really on. I would hate to live the rest of my life like that, looking into people's eyes for a clue as to what they really thought of them.

It will be the same for the twins, too, because unless the McCann's disappear totally from the spotlight to let this case become stale news, then this will continue to fester as has other mysterious 'disappearances'/deaths.

I feel very sorry for the people of Portugal who have tried their best to fight the corruption of the UK Government.

Excellent post GGS!

Although I think you underestimate the enormous damage Goncalo Amaral's books and future interviews will unleash on the McCanns carefully built 'abduction' empire.

Thank you pennylane.

Yes, there's always Amaral writing books and taking part in future interviews but that will only happen in Portugal not here in the UK. 

I cannot see Amaral's books ever being allowed to be published in the UK and displayed in UK bookshops.

 
I wonder how many other crimes there are in different countries that we don't know about here because it's not allowed to be reported elsewhere?

And, yes, there's the internet of course for those that want to continue to follow this case. But how many uninformed people will simply accept the conclusion of Operation Grange and then not bother to read Amaral's books or watch his future interviews? People will simply not bother to click on links.

How many people, I wonder, have accepted that Princess Diana died because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt but bother to investigate 'conspiracy theories', for I fear that's what will become of Madeleine McCann.

The Madeleine McCann case will have a huge question mark over it, but people will move on. For instance, my sister knows that I've been following this case from the start and the closest she's got to learning anything about it is by reading Kate McCann's book. I do not talk about this case with her because I know which side of the fence she's on and the conclusion of Operation Grange will reinforce her opinion and there will be many people just like her who will simply not bother to read further because there is so much more to do in life.

I don't think it's all over yet by any means.  I feel there will be major news emerging from Goncalo Amaral that will cast additional grave doubt on the abduction story, and it will be made public!  TM will no longer be able to spin away the bad news, or insure it slips under the radar unnoticed. 

Goncalo Amaral's 'timeline' book will signify the beginning of the end for the abduction facade, and I believe he has a great deal of support to insure its success. 

Soon there will be no place for the McCanns to hide from the truth. 

imo

Interesting what you say, pennylane, in light of that article about GA that was pulled at the last minute from that dreadful rag. The word was that GA would sue them senseless if they ran it, hence the mismatched story that finally appeared which was old news about "trolls". The denigration in the proposed article may have been intended as the first shot by TM at damage limitation and it never got off the ground.

Now, the Mcs are open to every salvo that will be coming from GA. Just when TM need them most, it appears the press are treading warily of GA and his newfound ability to sue scurrilous journalists, some of whom must be very worried about the defaming articles they have written about him in the past. They must be asking themselves every day "Am I an "entity"?  Is he going to sue me?" I wonder if they feel fear and have become miserable? Oh, I do hope so.

Almost perfect karma, when you think about it.

Totally agree, Mirage, TM are in dire straights and all washed up.  

As the old saying goes 'payback's a bitch!'

I actually (stupidly) believed Grange might be about actually finding out what happened to the child via police work. Not taking the word of the people who should be prime suspects (even without the inconsistencies and such, parents/last people to see child are always suspects) and basing the 'investigation' around their fairytale. I am actually embarrassed by how incompetent SY is.

I know how you feel. I wanted to believe, I really did.

Speaking of the press, I sent a complaint to the IPSO on 23/04, in response to this article, which was at that point just online, though was printed the next day as well.

I received the reference number 251173583. The automated email said 'The Ombudsman will now proceed to investigate your complaint and get back to you as soon as possible.'

To this point I haven't heard back, and the number brings up no results on the IPSO website at present. Would be nice to think this had at least some positive effect? If something like this needs escalating before a decision maybe a strong sign its being taken seriously as intended?

Vicky87 wrote:I actually (stupidly) believed Grange might be about actually finding out what happened to the child via police work. Not taking the word of the people who should be prime suspects (even without the inconsistencies and such, parents/last people to see child are always suspects) and basing the 'investigation' around their fairytale. I am actually embarrassed by how incompetent SY is.

I actually feel sorry for the 29 officers (now 4) condemned to this farce for years.  They are sure to have realised pretty quickly that there was no abductor, and that they faced the daily prospect of searching for suspects and connections that could only end one way - ruling them out (again). A more pointless exercise is hard to imagine.  

Redwood made a complete fool of himself on national TV, so no sympathy there - he was a complete buffoon - almost certainly a 'yes-man' his entire career - ideal to lead up the task and keep everyone within remit.  The digging up of PDL had the rest of the UK Police cringing in embarrassment.  Small wonder that Redwood's replacement hasn't said one word in print or TV since taking over, and has reassigned all but 4.   She'd have shut it down I am sure if she had been allowed - but it had to keep going until the final appeal and SC have run their course.

Agreed, Bishop Brennan.

There can only be one person to blame for the review farce and that is D. Cameron even though he was likely to have been  "steered " by others.

It has been clear from the start that there was no abductor and not one shred of evidence to suggest an abductor.

Yet the UK have taken the word of the McCanns and blindly searched for an abductor. I do have sympathy with the police who worked on the case. They must have wondered what on earth their bosses were thinking of chasing a claim by the main suspects when there has never been any evidence to back it up.

Think of all the police man-hours wasted when they could have been put to better use.

Thank you to all the police who donated to the GA legal fund.   That said more than many words.

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pennylane wrote:

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HelenMeg wrote:

MaryB wrote:They want to be 'somebodies'.  That was clear from the outset with the photoshoots balloons, staged appearances and so on.  They want the interviews the celeb following and the TV appearances.  They like the limelight.  And anyone who stands in the way of that will be a problem.

Actually I disagree.  I think they want to be exonerated and that they cannot bear the thought of leading the remainder of their lives with the public thinking that they are guilty of something. I think that fuels their
public appearances. Yes at first, when they were treated like celebrities and made to feel important - they appeared to enjoy that - but they have a deeper wish to be 'respected' and until that happens (which it never will because the doubt will always be hanging over them) there will always be publicity stunts to try and win over a 'positive' public image.  They will always be tainted though - no matter what.

Yes, I agree with you.

But surely when Operation Grange concludes their whitewash they will be exonerated and the Portuguese will, once again, be portrayed as bungling cops? The British Media will then most likely stop reporting anything from the Portuguese as it will just continue to fuel the fire.

Dare we hope that the McCanns will just disappear then? God, I hope so, because I cannot bear to see them in the papers and on the tv anymore. Except Kate, as long as she remains Ambassador for Missing People, will always have her nose in the limelight.

I don't see the press reporting other missing children anniversaries, so why should the press continue to report on theirs once the whitewash is complete?

Yes, there will always be doubt from the people who have followed this case but the rest of the people will just accept that Portugal messed up and move on.  

And whenever Kate and Gerry come face to face with anyone they will always be unsure which side of the fence they're really on. I would hate to live the rest of my life like that, looking into people's eyes for a clue as to what they really thought of them.

It will be the same for the twins, too, because unless the McCann's disappear totally from the spotlight to let this case become stale news, then this will continue to fester as has other mysterious 'disappearances'/deaths.

I feel very sorry for the people of Portugal who have tried their best to fight the corruption of the UK Government.

Excellent post GGS!

Although I think you underestimate the enormous damage Goncalo Amaral's books and future interviews will unleash on the McCanns carefully built 'abduction' empire.

Thank you pennylane.

Yes, there's always Amaral writing books and taking part in future interviews but that will only happen in Portugal not here in the UK. 

I cannot see Amaral's books ever being allowed to be published in the UK and displayed in UK bookshops.

 
I wonder how many other crimes there are in different countries that we don't know about here because it's not allowed to be reported elsewhere?

And, yes, there's the internet of course for those that want to continue to follow this case. But how many uninformed people will simply accept the conclusion of Operation Grange and then not bother to read Amaral's books or watch his future interviews? People will simply not bother to click on links.

How many people, I wonder, have accepted that Princess Diana died because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt but bother to investigate 'conspiracy theories', for I fear that's what will become of Madeleine McCann.

The Madeleine McCann case will have a huge question mark over it, but people will move on. For instance, my sister knows that I've been following this case from the start and the closest she's got to learning anything about it is by reading Kate McCann's book. I do not talk about this case with her because I know which side of the fence she's on and the conclusion of Operation Grange will reinforce her opinion and there will be many people just like her who will simply not bother to read further because there is so much more to do in life.

I don't think it's all over yet by any means.  I feel there will be major news emerging from Goncalo Amaral that will cast additional grave doubt on the abduction story, and it will be made public!  TM will no longer be able to spin away the bad news, or insure it slips under the radar unnoticed. 

Goncalo Amaral's 'timeline' book will signify the beginning of the end for the abduction facade, and I believe he has a great deal of support to insure its success. 

Soon there will be no place for the McCanns to hide from the truth. 

imo

I agree with many of these views.  In fact, I think Amaral's second book and the information he has is key to how the UK will decide to play the outcome (from OG). It has to be. From feeling despondent I now feel quite optimistic -although we are probably  in for a long wait.  The fact that we are still here and the case remains 'unresolved' are positive indicators for a favourable outcome.  A whitewash would seem to be impossible. I 'm a reader of Textusa and I think she has givn a good summary of what is currently going on and why nothing much will occur until the final outcome of any appeal the Mc Cann's will (almost certainly) make. This case is not going to be resolved until the Mc Canns and associates are held to some account. I really cannot see how OG can shelve the case, whilst Amaral is still allowed to talk. He has always been and continue to be the man who holds the strings. They tried to remove him and 'take him out' for that reason but have not managed to do so. He has a lethal weapon though - the truth.

@HelenMeg wrote:  He has always been and continue to be the man who holds the strings. They tried to remove him and 'take him out' for that reason but have not managed to do so. He has a lethal weapon though - the truth.

I'm liking that HelenMeg - well said!

I still can't share your optimism about the future outcome of this case.  Whilst what you say be true, the McCanns are firmly ensconsed in the UK and it would take a lot more than a simple request to get them back in Portugal to answer questions.  Even if Dr. Amaral has strong suspicions about the truth, proving it is a whole different entity - the PJ didn't have sufficient evidence to move the case towards a prosecution during the summer of 2007, indeed up until shelving the case in July 2008, what possible chance is there now, nine years later? 

With the intervention of the UK government and the Metropolitan police, I believe the PJ's official investigation has paled into insignificance in terms of a future conviction.  The dogs have been ignored, as has all the other important factors uncovered by the PJ investigation - the forensic evidence analysed by the UK based experts, the FSS, was (conveniently?) wholly inconclusive so that was another blind alley.  With the subsequent closure of the FSS, I've no doubt all the samples that weren't destroyed have been since destoyed or mislaid.  It's all very well to bang on about the McCanns behaviour, apparent guilt but without evidence to lead to a prosecution any official investigation is stymied.  Public opinion has no bearing on the law - unfortunately!
Too much water under the bridge for my liking - I hope I'm wrong.

Verdi wrote: It's all very well to bang on about the McCanns behaviour, apparent guilt but without evidence to lead to a prosecution any official investigation is stymied.  Public opinion has no bearing on the law - unfortunately!
Too much water under the bridge for my liking - I hope I'm wrong.

I suspect you are not wrong. The only silver lining is that provided the SC agree with the Appeal Court, Amaral is then free to publish his book, appear on TV, make documentaries, write new books.

OG will then have been a waste of time, and the last words will continue to be with a newly-vindicated Amaral. As a result, in the Court of Public Opinion (the one that in some ways counts MORE to the McCanns!) the McCanns are likely to go down in history as guilty.

Team McCann will then be condemned to a lifetime of releasing spurious stories about "sightings", "new leads" or "sinister abductors" - whilst continuing the farce of "searching" with whatever cash remains in the fund, and regretting the day they decided to sue Amaral all those years ago.

All of which shows why the Appeal was so important. And why any influence that the McCanns or the UK authorities still have will now be brought to bear on the SC to overturn the decision.

There are probably those behind the scenes that wish they had faced charges.

 The pair have not made life easy for their "carers". They quickly developed an overblown sense of entitlement and probably found the fame and attention blotted out feelings of guilt. In short, they over-egged the pudding. They became addicted to putting more and more layers of ridiculous detail on an already flawed abduction tale. How easy it was because a path had been cleared for them and they took full advantage, making themselves wealthy on the back of it.

Over time, they have progressively criticised and carped at those who facilitated this easy ride. Leveson, where they bit the hand that fed. And again, recently, with that clodhopping whinge about Leveson 2 and a massive dig at Cameron, whom they'd  already bullied into a review via RB.

They must be sick of them at HQ

Bishop Brennan:
 
‘And why any influence that the McCanns or the UK authorities still have will now be brought to bear on the SC to overturn the decision.’
 
Surely too late for that now.
 
The original decision never made sense to the layman and smacked of ‘influence’, based on the published ‘verified facts’ thing, but if there was still influence to be had, this needed to be exerted on the appeal as well.
 
   
Now that the appeal has seemingly returned logic to the process, to try and get the SC to again turn about would just confirm the farce and is a step too far imo.

Shouldn't we be hearing soon as to whether the Appeal to SC has been allowed?

Textusa applied some logic to it and reckoned June 1, although I haven’t verified anything:
 
‘The McCanns have 30 working days – or as the Portuguese call them, useful days – to file the appeal.
 
We are guided by the timelines which happened with Mr Amaral’s appeal to the Appeal Court last year: the sentence was on April 29, and he filed the appeal on June 15, which is 47 days later.
 
If one skips a day to allow for notification, then starts counting from then, from May 2 to June 15, there are 30 working days.
 
Using this reasoning, we can conclude the McCanns have until June 1 to file in the appeal to the Supreme Justice Court.
 
After that we have the time between the filing of the appeal and the decision of the court to accept it or not.’
 
http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/the-sun-will-go-down.html#more


They suggest about July 4th to hear whether it gets accepted or not, based on GA's appeal timeline.