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Post by BarryTheHatchet 08.05.16 9:42

The public need a report on the findings of Operation Grange because we are the ones who are paying for it.
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Post by Liz Eagles 08.05.16 10:11

Since bumping up this thread yesterday morning it has received over 1500 views.

Please read letter Tony Bennett's letter on first four pages of this thread.
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Post by Guest 08.05.16 23:21

Unless the eventual closure of Operation Grange is carefully worded to imply that it remains active - as would any case archived pending new evidence and/or intelligence - but without actually saying the case has in fact been archived, then they have no option but to justify indefinite continuation of a bogus investigation.

The UK police have no jurisdiction over this case, the crime was committed on Portuguese territory so they, the Portuguese have jurisdiction - if they require any assistance from the UK authorities they will ask for it by letters rogatory, if they don't then the UK authorities should not be involved in any way shape or form.  The UK media continue to portray the situation in a different light, for some inexplicable reason they want the public to believe that the UK are the leading force and Portuguese their humble lowly servants.

How is 10 Downing Street going to wriggle out of that simple fact when responding to the honorable Tony Bennett's extensive missive?  How is 10 Downing Street going to appease public outrage and explain about the amount of their hard earned cash that's been squandered on a massive scam that's not even within the UK's jurisdiction?

I look forward with bated breath to No. 10's response..
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Post by Joss 09.05.16 11:41

Couldn't agree more with what you say Verdi. There certainly needs to be accountability for all of it, and for why the U.K. got involved to the extent that it has for one missing child that went missing in a foreign country. Ben Needham's family never got anywhere near this amount of support from the U.K., so what's so special about the McCann's? A missing child is a missing child regardless of who the parents are, surely?

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Post by Guest 09.05.16 12:02

The UK authorities have seriously compromised their position in this case.  The life of a child is in the heart of most citizens - the authorities can't mess with something like this and get away with it without some explanation.

Bravo again to Tony Bennett for taking the initiative, throwing caution to the wind and diving straight in to the core of this messy business.  I really long to see how 10 Downing Street is going to wriggle it's way out of this - they will, of that I'm sure but how!?!

Official Secrets act?  Interfering with a live investigation?  Departmental confidentiality?  Financial restrictions?  Staff shortages?  Annual holidays - see you next September?  Gone for lunch - back in half hour?  Office Manager on maternity leave?  Passed to Human Resources for attention?

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Post by MayMuse 09.05.16 17:22

I agree with you @Verdi & your post makes such great sense... 
However, 
"The UK authorities have seriously compromised their position in this case"



Why would they do this, if it wasn't for some form of "cover-up"? 
What could they potentially gain or not gain ? 


This is what goes around in my head trying to make sense.
I cannot come up with a "reasonable" answer! 


No wonder people are so "baffled" with it all. 
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Post by Joss 10.05.16 3:14

MayMuse wrote:I agree with you @Verdi & your post makes such great sense... 
However, 
"The UK authorities have seriously compromised their position in this case"



Why would they do this, if it wasn't for some form of "cover-up"? 
What could they potentially gain or not gain ? 



This is what goes around in my head trying to make sense.
I cannot come up with a "reasonable" answer! 


No wonder people are so "baffled" with it all. 
BBM, I think the whole cover up is more to do with G.M. and who he is and who is connected with, that is the only reasonable explanation i can think of. They had a "disaster" alright in Portugal, and it was probably an "OMG what are we going to do now, our lives will be ruined" moment that the McC's had in regard to Madeleine on their trip to Portugal and what actually happened to their daughter. They had to get into damage control mode immediately, so lots of frantic calls back to the U.K. and the authorities in the U.K. bailed them out of their dilemma fairly promptly, IMO.

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Post by MayMuse 10.05.16 12:06

That would mean that GM would have some form of a "hold" on the UK government? Like I have said I cannot come up with a "reasonable" answer; what sort of "power" could GM have to bring all of that "support" in at a moments notice?

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Post by dottyaussie 10.05.16 12:24

I having been thinking for a while now that the protection/assistance was brought in for some other person/persons that became involved.

Kate and Gerry had this OMG what are we going to do situation. They ask for help from a 'connection' who was also there. Someone GM has been in some dodgy deals with before. Then the whole thing goes pear shaped. The protection is then brought in for the 'connection' but would also cover GM and KM.
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Post by Joss 10.05.16 14:24

MayMuse wrote:
Joss wrote:
MayMuse wrote:I agree with you @Verdi & your post makes such great sense... 
However, 
"The UK authorities have seriously compromised their position in this case"



Why would they do this, if it wasn't for some form of "cover-up"? 
What could they potentially gain or not gain ? 



This is what goes around in my head trying to make sense.
I cannot come up with a "reasonable" answer! 


No wonder people are so "baffled" with it all. 
BBM, I think the whole cover up is more to do with G.M. and who he is and who is connected with, that is the only reasonable explanation i can think of. They had a "disaster" alright in Portugal, and it was probably an "OMG what are we going to do now, our lives will be ruined" moment that the McC's had in regard to Madeleine on their trip to Portugal and what actually happened to their daughter. They had to get into damage control mode immediately, so lots of frantic calls back to the U.K. and the authorities in the U.K. bailed them out of their dilemma fairly promptly, IMO.
That would mean that GM would have some form of a "hold" on the UK government? Like I have said I cannot come up with a "reasonable" answer; what sort of "power" could GM have to bring all of that "support" in at a moments notice?
COMARE perhaps? Or is GM a Freemason, because there are Masons in Govt. from what i have read, and don't they all cover for each other? The "Brotherhood" and all that.

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Post by Google.Gaspar.Statements 10.05.16 14:26

It was John McCann who said they were "calling in favours".

Favours in return for what?
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Favours from "WHOM"???

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Post by Nina 10.05.16 15:15

Well certainly favours brother John knew were owing

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Post by BarryTheHatchet 10.05.16 22:21

Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:It was John McCann who said they were "calling in favours".

Favours in return for what?
Or maybe he just wanted to sound like a Big Man.  A trait that seems to run in the McCann clan.
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Post by Estelle 12.05.16 8:45

Joss wrote:
MayMuse wrote:
Joss wrote:
MayMuse wrote:I agree with you @Verdi & your post makes such great sense... 
However, 
"The UK authorities have seriously compromised their position in this case"



Why would they do this, if it wasn't for some form of "cover-up"? 
What could they potentially gain or not gain ? 



This is what goes around in my head trying to make sense.
I cannot come up with a "reasonable" answer! 


No wonder people are so "baffled" with it all. 
BBM, I think the whole cover up is more to do with G.M. and who he is and who is connected with, that is the only reasonable explanation i can think of. They had a "disaster" alright in Portugal, and it was probably an "OMG what are we going to do now, our lives will be ruined" moment that the McC's had in regard to Madeleine on their trip to Portugal and what actually happened to their daughter. They had to get into damage control mode immediately, so lots of frantic calls back to the U.K. and the authorities in the U.K. bailed them out of their dilemma fairly promptly, IMO.
That would mean that GM would have some form of a "hold" on the UK government? Like I have said I cannot come up with a "reasonable" answer; what sort of "power" could GM have to bring all of that "support" in at a moments notice?
COMARE perhaps? Or is GM a Freemason, because there are Masons in Govt. from what i have read, and don't they all cover for each other? The "Brotherhood" and all that.
My hunch is that it is because of COMARE.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsR6qmJeAz0

Please read these links. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3861.0

http://laidbareblog.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/its-not-what-you-know-its-who-or-could.html
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Post by pennylane 12.05.16 9:55

I too believe COMARE / EDF energy are high on the list as to a potential reason for the protection.  It's also interesting to note that Gerry McCann quietly disappeared off the COMARE subcommittee soon after the disappearance!
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Post by Nina 12.05.16 10:29

This is a very interesting thread regarding GM's career path.....................
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2165-dr-gerry-mccann-working-at-the-spire-private-hospital-leicestershire

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pennylane wrote:I too believe COMARE / EDF energy are high on the list as to a potential reason for the protection.  It's also interesting to note that Gerry McCann quietly disappeared off the COMARE subcommittee soon after the disappearance!
@ pennylane & @ Estelle

For those thinking that the COMARE connection might be the answer to the riddle, there is of course a very interesting connection to the nuclear energy industry via leading Lancashire Freemason, Edward Smethurst, the McCanns' co-ordinating lawyer from the beginning (and Director of Madeleine's Fund).

Smethurst's first real job, back in the 1990s, was as a junior lawyer in the Legal Department of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL). He was appointed to that job by Alvin Shuttleworth, an even more senior fellow Freemason in the East Lancashire Provincial Lodge.

Shuttleworth was the Head of BNFL's Legal Department at the time. The two men became engaged in a very successful campaign to deny compensation to many families, especially those with young children, who claimed to have developed leukaemia due to living so long close to the Sellafield nuclear reactor in Cumbria.

But if anything, that points not so much to COMARE and nuclear energy but to the possible role of senior Freemasons working on the Madeleine McCann case. The McCanns' bizarre action, lying prostrate before the GNR police when they arrived at the Ocean Club, was a copybook repetition of an ancient Masonic symbol of severe distress - a direct appeal to any Masonic police in the Portuguese police.

Then again the McCanns' friendship with the pervert Ray Wyre might suggest other influences.

But then we have strayed offtopic  more than a bit            

 

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Post by MayMuse 13.05.16 0:40

Friends of Dr RW. Gosh wasn't aware of that, he was the guy who opened a treatment centre for sex offenders wasn't he?  Some sort of theory or therapy to help them not offend again? Mmmmm how interesting.
New to me that the "thumping of the ground" was a Masonic distress symbol ( or alert?) even more interesting... Need to do more research I think smilie

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Post by BarryTheHatchet 13.05.16 2:53

The "praying Arab" gesture by the Mcs has always troubled me as well.  It is a Masonic gesture and I have noticed several others by Gerry as well.  But do I think they are being protected by Freemasons? No.  Although I'm quite sure that Gerry hoped that they would be.
The reason I say this is because I come from a family with a very strong tradition of Freemasonry and I cannot think of one man, in either my father's or brother's lodges, who would assist in covering up the death of a child, even if it were accidental. 
A Masonic "coverup" would just involve too many people to be practical.
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Post by pennylane 13.05.16 10:40

Tony Bennett wrote:
pennylane wrote:I too believe COMARE / EDF energy are high on the list as to a potential reason for the protection.  It's also interesting to note that Gerry McCann quietly disappeared off the COMARE subcommittee soon after the disappearance!
@ pennylane & @ Estelle

For those thinking that the COMARE connection might be the answer to the riddle, there is of course a very interesting connection to the nuclear energy industry via leading Lancashire Freemason, Edward Smethurst, the McCanns' co-ordinating lawyer from the beginning (and Director of Madeleine's Fund).

Smethurst's first real job, back in the 1990s, was as a junior lawyer in the Legal Department of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL). He was appointed to that job by Alvin Shuttleworth, an even more senior fellow Freemason in the East Lancashire Provincial Lodge.

Shuttleworth was the Head of BNFL's Legal Department at the time. The two men became engaged in a very successful campaign to deny compensation to many families, especially those with young children, who claimed to have developed leukaemia due to living so long close to the Sellafield nuclear reactor in Cumbria.

But if anything, that points not so much to COMARE and nuclear energy but to the possible role of senior Freemasons working on the Madeleine McCann case. The McCanns' bizarre action, lying prostrate before the GNR police when they arrived at the Ocean Club, was a copybook repetition of an ancient Masonic symbol of severe distress - a direct appeal to any Masonic police in the Portuguese police.

Then again the McCanns' friendship with the pervert Ray Wyre might suggest other influences.

But then we have strayed offtopic  more than a bit            

 

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Thank you Tony, that's most interesting how Smethurst and Shuttleworth were involved in preventing families from receiving compensation for childhood cancers near Sellafield nuclear reactor.  It's been proven time and time again in studies around the world that there is indeed a link! Which brings us very neatly to those 'experts' at COMARE insisting that the percentage of children developing cancers living near a nuclear reactor is statistically within the norm for the general populace.

Then there's Clarence Mitchell once Head of Media Monitoring for the govt, and Andrew Brown (Gordon's baby bro) the Media Director/Strategist for EDF energy, and at the forefront for EDF's expansion in Britain.   Cozy or what!
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Post by Liz Eagles 13.05.16 10:46

I don't think you're drifting too far off topic here Pennylane.

There were, after all, favours called in weren't there?
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Post by pennylane 13.05.16 10:48

Thank you aquila.  Yes we know for a fact there were favours called in!
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Post by sharonl 13.05.16 20:01

Update on Tony's letter

Tony is unable to access the internet at the moment but he has just sent me a message which he has asked me to share with you.

He has received, from David Cameron, a holding reply dated 6th May 2016, which ends with "your correspondence is being considered".

Tony expects a more detailed reply in due course.
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Post by Nina 13.05.16 20:12

Thank you sharonl.  roses

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Post by plebgate 13.05.16 22:54

Thanks for update sharon.   Will look forward to hearing more soon.  I hope.
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Thank you that sounds promising thumbsup

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MayMuse wrote:Thank you that sounds promising thumbsup
What - No. 10 Downing Street promising?  That'll be the day. 

I am however very interested to see how they worm their way out of a very tricky situation.
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