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Post by HiDeHo on 28.11.15 18:22

I created this 'BLOG' in an effort to have one place to direct anyone that doesn't have the knowledge of the files info.  In progress with lots of topics still to add or edit.

One person at a time  winkwink


1 – What the UK Public have NOT been told about the Madeleine McCann POLICE INVESTIGATION FILES!!

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Not a typical blog – Not OUR opinions – A CRASH COURSE of the Madeleine McCann case based on FACTS from the files with random info, videos and links.

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  • 1 – What the UK Public have NOT been told about the Madeleine McCann POLICE INVESTIGATION FILES!! 

  • The UK public have been prevented easy access to the police files which were released to the public in 2008 when the original investigation was shelved, pending further evidence.  (It has since been re-opened but the current police files remain under judicial secrecy until the PJ Polícia Judiciária conclude their investigation) View VIDEOS and details that may open your eyes to information that may shock you!
  • 2 – McCanns Manipulated the Media !

  •  Everyone wants to know why the McCanns spent so much of the ‘Search for Madeleine FUND’ (a Limited company) on EXPENSIVE PR to change public opinion from HOSTILE to SYMPATHETIC and stop media reporting on details from the files. See the FACTS of their effort to prevent UK PUBLIC learning the TRUTH!
  • 3 – NOT a ‘Bungled’ Portuguese Police Investigation – See the TRUTH!! 

  • – Despite it being one of the biggest investigations in Portuguese history, false reports from DAYONE and in subsequent media reports that the police ‘did nothing’. this page will give you the details of the immediate response.  You can view the FILES to see 310 diligences completed in the first couple of days and the ENORMOUS effort by the police to search for Madeleine.  The disgusting effort to discredit the police in the media has been thought to be to discredit the findings of the investigation which found many contradictions and discrepancies in the witness statements of the McCanns and their friends.
  • 4 – Are the McCanns GUILTY or INNOCENT? You decide… 

  • – The McCanns were declared Arguidos (suspects) in September 2007 following the FORENSIC results of BLOOD found in the apartment and in the car hired 3 weeks after Madeleine disappeared.  The results show markers matching Madeleine’s DNA and although it does not match 100% it does NOT EXCLUDE her DNA from being in those locations.  View VIDEOS and clips from INTERVIEWS and decide for yourself if there is a possibility they may be complicit in their daughter’s disappearance.
5 – McCanns – Road to Hell – From Victims to Arguidos
6 – HOLIDAY TIMELINE – Why Did Discrepancies Start 2 Days Before Madeleine Disappeared?
7 – HiDeHo Theory and the RESEARCH that brought me to this CONCLUSION.
8 – Why did McCanns pay £100,000 to TRANSLATE Police InvestigationFiles BUT don’t want UK Public to see them? (3.08)
9 – NEGLECT? Are you SURE the McCanns neglected their children?
10 – Tavares Report – Madeleine DIED, Parents HID HER BODY and SIMULATED an abduction. (Illustrated)
11 – RIP Brenda, Linda & Dawn – We Will Always Remember – We Are Your Voice Now!

12 – Tapas 7 – Pressured by McCanns? – In Wrong Place at Wrong Time?
13 – VILE TROLLS? Facebook Groups fight back with the TRUTH from the Police Files – RIP Brenda Leyland

14 – Was Madeleine Abducted? – Where is the PROOF? – Did she DIE in the apartment?

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Madeleine McCann disappeared on May 3rd 2007.  Her parents claimed it was an abduction.

The OFFICIAL PORTUGUESE POLICE INVESTIGATION FILES have been released and during their investigation they suggested that Madeleine DIED in the apartment, Her PARENTS HID HER BODY and they SIMULATED AN ABDUCTION.

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Are UK Public kept in DARK? UK MEDIA not reporting IMPORTANT details about Madeleine McCann?

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Re: 1 – What the UK Public have NOT been told about the Madeleine McCann POLICE INVESTIGATION FILES!!

Post by HiDeHo on 28.11.15 19:49

JULY 9, 2015 EDIT

2 – McCanns Manipulated the Media





How and why did the McCanns manipulate the media?
Lord Bell explains…and we have to ask was the money from the fund? Money donated to search for Madeleine?
Lord Bell, founder of Bell Pottinger quoted in a book written by Owen Jones. He is commenting on the ‘Hacked Off’ campaign, and he says he doesn’t care what the McCanns think. ‘They paid me £500,000 to keep them on the front page of every newspaper for one year and that’s what we did’.




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[size=30]Kate managed the news and controlled the English Correio da Manhã[/size]



Maddie case – Press was manipulated in exchange for photoshoots
27 July 2008
Thanks to ‘astro’ for translation

The McCann couple took four hours to outline their strategy, went out for walks on request from the British photographers and escaped the Portuguese

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Kate and Gerry McCann controlled the British media in the news coverage of their daughter’s disappearance. In order to avoid criticism from the English press, Maddie’s parents offered photoshoots, some of them during their usual morning walks in the Algarve – which were apparently routine, but previously arranged, as Kate’s notes reveal.

“The British journalists were annoyed because they found out too late that I had been in the United Kingdom. It ended up with Justine receiving loads of phone calls and arranging for a photoshoot on the way to the church, to pacify them”, Kate writes on the 5th of July, revealing a tactic that was adopted in the first days after the 3-year-old girl disappeared.
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“Dress up and go for a walk. It had been requested by photographers and agreed that for sentimental reasons it would be good”. This walk happened on the 7th of June, three days after Kate registered that she had been “annoyed” about the presence of Portuguese journalists outside the apartment. Before that, on the 19th of May, the photoshoot for the English newspaper ‘Sunday Mirror’ was previously arranged: “Us spending time with the twins for the Sunday papers”.

In the same notes, Kate expresses distress about the Portuguese and the German journalists. On the 11th of June, in Morocco, after Kate made a positive evaluation of the trip because there were so many photographers present, the doctor remembers “noticing” Portuguese journalists. “We didn’t want to give them a story”, decided the McCanns, who classify the questions from the Portuguese as “sleazy and unexpected”, even after preparation meetings that last “four hours”: “I was very angry at a journalist today. I told her not to do so much detective work.”
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Concerning the editor of the ‘Sun’ newspaper, on the 11th of July Kate was assured that there would be no “adverse publicity”: “She was really nice. Perfect solution”, Maddie’s mother noted.

(McCann Files)




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£30,000 spent on HANOVER an expensive PR firm, who did such a great job changing media reports of HOSTILITY to SYMPATHY after the McCanns return to UK they won an AWARD in 2008!


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Post by Verdi on 28.11.15 22:27

Firstly, I've never been able to understand why the Portuguese authorities made that extraordinary decision to release part of it's confidential investigative files into the public domain.  I think it was a bad move, with no positive reason nor productive result but that aside..

I'm interested to know why it's thought necessary by some for the UK media to report on the information contained in the PJ files.  I don't see that access to information contained in the files has been hampered by the UK mainstream media, nor do I think it their function to publish precise details of the Portuguese investigation.  The PJ files are easily found on the internet for anyone that's interested in the case - just type Madeleine McCann in google search and instantly you get approximately 663,000 results.

Even if the Sun agreed to serialize the PJ files, I imagine it would take about ten years of weekly installments, I don't believe it would achieve anything nor would it enhance newspaper sales.  As far as UK mainstream media is concerned, news is about the now not eight years ago or eight years hence, they report on current affairs not ongoing detail of every incident that ever hit the headlines - from the perspective of the UK press, Madeleine McCann is very much yesterday's news.

As far as I recall, the McCann machine only took legal action on two occasions against the UK press, the Express Newspapers early 2008 - £550,000 out of court settlement and and the Sunday Times mid 2014 - £55,000 out of court settlement, neither of which had any direct relevance to the content of the PJ files  I don't think anyone would disagree that both instances were an example of extremely irresponsible journalism.  Had it been an example of investigative journalism, a specialist following the case from the beginning and researching every aspect for an exclusive, then it might be considered productive but just as bog basic mainstream journalism - it's not their function.

In my opinion, it would be of far more consequential to question why the Metropolitan Police in conjunction with the BBC and Crimewatch, were allowed to broadcast, on more than one occasion, such utter misleading nonsense about the case, totally contrary to the PJ files.  The UK media are but small fry by comparison.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 28.11.15 22:56

@ Verdi

Firstly, I've never been able to understand why the Portuguese authorities made that extraordinary decision to release part of it's confidential investigative files into the public domain.  I think it was a bad move, with no positive reason nor productive result but that aside..
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Under Portuguese LAW, any 'case' that is 'archived/shelved', pending possible 'new' information, relevant to that 'case', HAS to be 'made public'.

IT'S THEIR 'LAW'

And IF they 'shelve/archive' their second, re-opened, 'investigation' of the McCann child 'disappearance' they WILL have to 'release' their files, related to the 'second' investigation, as well.

That's WHAT/WHY OG are 'worried' about, IMO.

OG 'don't know' what WILL be in the 'new' PJ 'files'

The 'co-operation', or NOT, of OG's, 4 1/2 YEARS,  'joint' investigation, will be there, for all to 'see'.

'The Portuguese have their line of investigation, we  (OG) have a (totally? REMIT 'THE abduction'?) DIFFERENT line of investigation' BHH, Met Commissioner.

The 'bottom line', regarding 'release' of PJ 'archived/shelved' case 'files', is because, it is Portuguese LAW.

ISTBC, of course.

jta: "I think it was a bad move, with no positive reason nor productive result.....".

The 'productive' result of the PJ 'files' release, was to inform us all, about the 'obscuration' and blatant 'obstruction' in a child 'abduction' case, by the UK 'authorities' from Prime Ministers, Home Secretaries, Met Police Commissioners, Chief Constable of LP, 'call me Stu', down.


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Post by MRNOODLES on 29.11.15 0:11

@jeanmonroe wrote:@ Verdi

Firstly, I've never been able to understand why the Portuguese authorities made that extraordinary decision to release part of it's confidential investigative files into the public domain.  I think it was a bad move, with no positive reason nor productive result but that aside..
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Under Portuguese LAW, any 'case' that is 'archived/shelved', pending possible 'new' information, relevant to that 'case', HAS to be 'made public'.

IT'S THEIR 'LAW'

And IF they 'shelve/archive' their second, re-opened, 'investigation' of the McCann child 'disappearance' they WILL have to 'release' their files, related to the 'second' investigation, as well.

That's WHAT/WHY OG are 'worried' about, IMO.

OG 'don't know' what WILL be in the 'new' PJ 'files'

The 'co-operation', or NOT, of OG's, 4 1/2 YEARS,  'joint' investigation, will be there, for all to 'see'.

'The Portuguese have their line of investigation, we  (OG) have a (totally? REMIT 'THE abduction'?) DIFFERENT line of investigation' BHH, Met Commissioner.

The 'bottom line', regarding 'release' of PJ 'archived/shelved' case 'files', is because, it is Portuguese LAW.

ISTBC, of course.

jta: "I think it was a bad move, with no positive reason nor productive result.....".

The 'productive' result of the PJ 'files' release, was to inform us all, about the 'obscuration' and blatant 'obstruction' in a child 'abduction' case, by the UK 'authorities' from Prime Ministers, Home Secretaries, Met Police Commissioners, Chief Constable of LP, 'call me Stu', down.


If the 2nd pretty much says it's not much different from the 1st.  Joe public will have plenty to say (imo) if it all comes to nothing and millions of £s down the bog.
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Post by cbeagle on 29.11.15 2:17

@JeanMonroe
Do you know the criteria for how the PJ decides which information is released to the public and which is held back?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 29.11.15 8:49

@cbeagle wrote:@JeanMonroe
Do you know the criteria for how the PJ decides which information is released to the public and which is held back?

I'm sorry, i don't.

I'd 'imagine' information 'held back' could possibly be information/'evidence' not 'proven' specifically as 'fact',......yet.

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Post by HiDeHo on 29.11.15 10:40

I believe that the thing the McCanns fear the most is for the UK public to become aware and view the details in the files.

When myself or most people talk about the 'files' we are not talking about the 40,000 individual pages that someone should treat as bedtime reading.

The 'files' are what we refer to every day that shows some of the details of what may have happened to Madeleine.  The Tavares report is probably the best one to explain about how the case was investigated up until September 2007.

The McCanns have  gone to extremes to prevent the UK public from knowing what is contained in the files.

Although the SOL articles were published very early, they gave us a very good indication of what we were going to find in the files.  Once shelved, there was very little that we weren't already aware of, but it was confirmation that a lot of the media content was very close to the truth.

David Pilditch said under oath in his Leveson Inquiry statement that what he wrote was truthful and accurate. and were confirmed once the files were released a few months later.  Keep in mind that the journalists did not write the headlines, which in some cases were maybe, deceptive.





The Express were faced with the £550,000 out of court settlement....NOT because they wrote 'lies' but because they could not name sources!





As can be seen from the 'Media Manipulation' Video the press had their guidelines to follow to be able to continue to get their 'McCann' pages.  

They had to use techniques.  The Portuguese press were publishing the information (which we saw later in the files) but the British press were not able to adopt a 'critical tone' towards the McCanns and therefore had to accuse the Portuguese media as a 'hate campaign' on order to be able to publish the details seen in the Portuguese press that were not complimentary to the McCanns.  It was their only way to transmit their data.





I have seen this technique used when we see the 'TROLLS' articles (not all but mainly the Express).  When a comment from our facebook group was featured on the front page of the Sun, Star and Express, it also gave our link and it had a huge impact on our membership as well as viewers that were able to view our page and see the DETAILS FROM THE FILES that the news articles cannot publish.






I believe many of the UK public continue to believe that the McCanns are innocent because, contrary to the belief that they have the internet and can see the files for themselves, there has been a MAJOR effort from keeping that information out of the press so they don't even know they exist, never mind the details they contain.

Is it possible that most of the UK public rely on the media (spin) for their info on Maddie and if they do enter into the 'Madeleine' forums they have been warned about the trolls and the conspiracy theories and gravitate to the one place they can rely on.  The official website and facebook group.

This is the place where discussing the investigation is against the rules..  Discuss them leaving the children alone and you are banned....



They go to ENORMOUS lengths to prevent the UK public from finding the details in the INVESTIGATION FILES.  As can be seen in the second post.  They hired HANOVER Pr at 30,000 to change public perception from HOSTILITY to SYMPATHY.  This involved contacting the media to stop them from publishing the FACTS.

A little known detail about the January 2010 hearing for Goncalo Amaral's book is that once Ricardo Paiva, Tavares de Almeida were on the stand giving details about the files and the DREAM that Kate had, there were more than 50 media articles.

The following day, (the second day of a three day hearing) Gerry left the courtroom EARLY and claimed to fly back to England for 'work commitments' and Fiona joined Kate on the last day in the courtroom.

Something VERY ODD happened...Within a couple of days there was NOTHING in the media about the McCanns.

After front page articles on Cadaver dogs, blood in apartment etc...IT STOPPED INSTANTLY within  couple of days...

Is THAT why Gerry returned to UK?  Damage control?





The McCanns go to EXTREMES to prevent the UK public from learning the DETAILS from the files.  


I believe it is the ONE THING they fear the most.

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Post by HiDeHo on 29.11.15 11:26

The Tavares Report...

This was the report from the investigation as it stood in September 2007.  Is there anyone that hasn't read it?


https://hidehocontroversyofmadeleinemccann.wordpress.com/2015/07/16/10-tavares-interim-report-madeleine-died-parents-hid-her-body-and-simulated-an-abduction/


JULY 16, 2015 EDIT

10 – Tavares Report – Madeleine DIED, Parents HID HER BODY and SIMULATED an abduction. (Illustrated)

[size=30]See the FULL REPORT (highlighted) following the ILLUSTRATED version[/size]






[size=30]McCLIP: Tavares de Almeida UNDER OATH tells of BLOOD and CADAVER odour in McCann residences and car[/size]






[size=32]From the Portuguese Police Files released July 2008[/size]

Madeleine McCann


[size=24]A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.

NUIPC-201/07.0 GALGS
Intercalary report
For the attention of the
Criminal Investigation Coordinator

September 10th 2007
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Madeleine Beth McCann was born on the 12th of May 2003.
She has been missing since the 3rd of May 2007, a fact that took place in Praia da Luz, in Lagos.


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From everything that was established, the facts point in the direction that the death of Madeleine McCann occurred, on the night of May 3rd of 2007, inside apartment 5A, at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, which was occupied by the McCann couple and by their three children; 
 
 
 The child’s parents immediately attributed the fact (disappearance) to the action of a third party, defending the ABDUCTION.
The group’s members held a meeting during which they agreed on certain rules that sustained a version of continuous checking of the children, while they dined
  



 By reasons, they said, of counselling and support, the parents asked for the presence of a priest, at around 02:00h/03:00h on the 04th of May.
 There is a coincidence between the marking of cadaver odour and blood, according to the (partial) Laboratory Report that has been annexed to the process files.

 

Said marking occurred behind the living room sofa (cadaver odour / blood / DNA), which indubitably proves that said piece of furniture was pushed back by someone, after the death of Madeleine McCann was verified. Because of the few traces that were recovered on location and subject to examination, it has to be admitted as a strong hypothesis that it was subject to a “washing”, at a moment following the occurrence of death.
 In the same manner, the soft toy that was used by the dead child, which was found at the top of the bed where she usually slept (cf. photos from the initial inspection) reveals that someone put it there at a moment posterior to death, given the fact that the bed doesn’t have any cadaver odour


This is to say, an intentional modification took place, in order to simulate a “picture” that doesn’t match reality, in an attempt to take advantage for the simulation of an abduction scenario;
 

      It must be added that the cadaver odour detection dog strongly signalled the bedroom where the McCann couple slept, which may indicate the moving of the corpse from the actual death spot (living room) into a non visible part of said bedroom;


Furthermore a strong marking of cadaver odour was made on Kate McCann’s clothes, which may indicate that she was in touch with the cadaver;
 
  
 
 There was also a strong marking of cadaver odour in the car that was used by the McCann couple (since the 27th of May 2007), which in conjugation with the blood dog’s marking and based on the forensics that are included in the process files, which indicate the presence of Madeleine McCann’s DNA in the car boot, lead towards not excluding a strong hypothesis that this vehicle may have possibly been used move the cadaver, 24 days after the death; 
  
 

 The indication from the cadaver odour detection dog, as well as from the blood detection dog, on the key of the aforementioned vehicle, where the laboratory would confirm the existence of Gerald McCann’s DNA, cannot be dismissed. This last signalling was obtained by the dogs after the key was put far away from the vehicle, in a non visible location.

  

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[size=18]From everything that is exposed, the process files result in the following:[/size]
A) the minor Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, on the night of the 3rd of May 2007;
B) a simulation of an abduction took place;
C) in order to render the child’s death impossible before 22H00, a situation of checking of the McCann couple’s children while they slept was made up;
D) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the cadaver of their daughter, Madeleine McCann;
E) at this moment, there seem to be no strong indications that the child’s death was not the result of a tragic accident, yet;
F) from what has been established up to now, everything indicates that the McCann couple, in self-defence, doesn’t want to deliver the cadaver immediately and voluntarily, and there is a strong possibility that it was moved from the initial place of deposition.
This situation may raise questions concerning the circumstances in which the death of the child took place.
On the tenth of September, two thousand and seven
Chief Inspector
(Tavares de Almeida)

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http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic34.html
 
 
 
 
 
Thanks to the Maddie Case Files  [size=16]http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic34.html[/size]
 
NUIPC-201/07.0 GALGS

Intercalary report

For the attention of the 
Criminal Investigation Coordinator

Madeleine Beth Maccann was born on the 12th of May 2003.
She has been missing since the 3rd of May 2007, a fact that took place in Praia da Luz, in Lagos.

She is the daughter of Gerald and Kate McCann and her birth was desired and planned.
The mother’s difficulty in becoming pregnant should nevertheless be mentioned, as well as the resulting necessary treatments and the ‘cost’ thereof.
She was born from ‘in vitro’ insemination, but the tracing of the child’s DNA shows that she is in fact the McCann couple’s daughter.

It is a scientific fact that the medical treatments to overcome some of the causes for the lack of pregnancy increase the likelihood of twins being born from a so-called normal pregnancy.

In this case, we can see that a pregnancy, although desired and planned, turned a family of three into a family of five.
Moreover, caring for one child is not the same as caring for three, all of tender age.

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At around midnight on the 3rd of May 2007, through a phone connection between the GNR in Lagos and this police station, the disappearance of a child, an English subject, was communicated.

We went on location in order to perform the necessary judiciary inspection.

Faced with the fact, the disappearance of a child, the investigation “drew out” the various possible scenarios.

The child’s parents immediately attributed the fact (disappearance) to the action of a third party, defending the ABDUCTION.

While [abduction] being one of the possible scenarios, the family’s actions led into that direction, by publicising the fact in a manner that had never been seen before.

In fact, on the very next day, English television stations ‘opened’ their newscasts, already advertising the child’s disappearance / abduction.


The defence of this scenario was the ‘truth’ of the facts under investigation, for the media.

Time went by and[size=16] that scenario was not confirmed as its presuppositions were not ‘fulfilled’. No ransom was ever demanded in exchange for information or for the child itself.

Nevertheless, and considering the deposition by one of the friends, Jane Tanner, we could be looking at said scenario.

Meanwhile, diligences continued in order to collect all kinds of information and always with the purpose of working all scenarios that were still a possibility.

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The information that was initially collected with family and friends was uncertain and had been “worked” upon by the group, in order to strengthen the version that had been presented and defended.

According to the version of the parents and of the GROUP, they went out to dine and all of them left their children, asleep, in their apartments.

The group’s members held a meeting during which they agreed on certain rules that sustained a version of continuous checking of the children, while they dined.

The process includes a manuscript by one of the group’s members that supports this thesis.

These principles, which in this manner, have been shared by the entire group, have the effect that for the English public opinion the whole GROUP is always cleared, rendering any abnormal event that might last longer than 30 minutes impossible, given the fact that they all agreed that was the time lapse in which the children were checked.

The version that someone from the group went to the apartments to check that everything was well, every 15 or 30 minutes, collapses!!

Total incoherence results from the GROUP’s statements, which makes it easy to verify that everyone lies.


We can verify that one of the group’s elements, wishing to make the group’s version about the checking, more consistent, gives it a personal touch: the checks on the children were carried out in two manners, one just to listen if anyone was crying, and in case of silence all was well, and the other one by actually checking.

On his turn to check on the children, one of the group’s elements, Matthew, did just that, as he even told Kate that all was well, with no further explanation. Kate recalls this detail.

But the truth is that this information leads the investigation to wander about, to waste time and resources.

It is not understandable that this information is given at the beginning and sustained throughout time, despite the fact that anyone can verify the damage that results from it, for the investigation.

After all this time, the version is upheld !! as well as the public, insistent statement that what they want most is to “assist the investigation”.

The investigation was forced to assume the information was incorrect, and move forward.

This only!! results in:

If someone checked on the children and all was well, the disappearance took place between 9.30 and 10 p.m.;

If the information wouldn’t be counting on said witness (?), then the disappearance would have taken place between 9 and 10 p.m., widening the time period (presuming that the father speaks the truth).

But there is another question about the timing which is:

The last time that the child was seen outside of the group, by someone who can prove that moment, was at around 5.35 p.m., when the parents went to pick her up at the crèche, which may widen the time lapse between the disappearance and the alert, into four hours.

*** 

Continuing to analyse the information that was offered, we have one of the group’s members, Jane Tanner, becoming a supposedly important witness, due to what she told us: she saw someone crossing the street at dinner time: from the location of the disappearance into the direction of Robert Murat’s house.

This information directed and occupied the investigators’ work for a long time. This may be an example of how information that is not correct, may not only delay, but may have led to losing the little girl.

By insisting on the information, scenarios were outlined which failed to match said information with reality, but still long and intense work was carried out on that arguido.

In the same manner, we can verify the discrepancy about the subject, in statements from Gerald and Jane. How they passed each other at only two or three meters’ distance, yet failed to see each other; can they position themselves in such a reduced space, and both fail to see the same person walking by; more correctly, one sees and the other doesn’t.

Even the location where they supposedly crossed ways is not very well defined by both.

The moment chosen by the witness Jane to make her statement about what she had “seen” and the explanation for that moment is unreal, which is to say, it is not easy to accept that any witness (from the group) upon seeing someone with a child in the arms getting away from the McCann’s place, hadn’t immediately acted or spoken, being certain that the description of the person was being consecutively altered, “perfected”. Therefore, there isn’t much credibility in this deposition.

***

Until now we have been analyzing small distortions in the information that was initially transmitted, “small” alterations (distortions) of the truth taking place, thus relating them with the investigation and with the direction it forced it into.

The investigation didn’t follow the command or the will of anyone; the family and group information that is fundamental in this type of crime, was always distorted.

The fact that the individuals were foreigners prevented, until now, that direct information about the persons of the GROUP could be collected.

***

The parents of the minor live in a society, the British, known through the press, as being very demanding. The profession of both parents, medicine, completed by the fact that the father is a surgeon, increases this degree of demand and consequent tiredness.

In a society that is identified internationally and in the Media as being very demanding and with many and tight rules to establish those standards of exigency, it makes it obligatory that people rest; make a professional retreat; take their holidays.

Gerald McCann is a cardiovascular surgeon.

In many moments of his professional career he had to make decisions in thousandths of a second, which ‘gives’ him a certain coldness, and certainly provokes an increased tiredness.

The enjoyment of a period of holidays supposes a rest through non-ordinary practices and freedom and exemption from schedules.

The social life in such a holiday, in the present case, was facilitated by the fact that they travelled as a group. 

But that social life may, in a certain way, be touched by the presence and constant needs of accompanying the minors.

This fact and need was clear in the deliverance of the children to the respective child centres and crèches (according to their ages). The holiday time was not shared between parents and children.

***

The 3rd of May of 2007 had gone by, until around dinner time, in a natural way according to the adopted style.
After fetching the children from the nursery and the crèche they went to the apartment, shortly after 17:35h.
But…Kate went running for half an hour on the beach and then went to the apartment and…Gerald went to play tennis.

While the tennis match was taking place, another member of the group, who had been in touch with Kate, in the apartment, for a period of time that took between 30 seconds, according to Kate, and 30 minutes, according to Gerald, showed up.

In thirty seconds we may ask if everything is well and if anything is needed, little more.
In thirty minutes we can go ahead and do something that is requested from us…

They put the minors to bed and to sleep, at around 19:30h. They remained at home until around 20:30h, going to the Tapas restaurant afterwards. They were the first to arrive, out of the group.

After the entire group was at the table and when the meal started, the “checks” on the children began, in a way that is neither coherent nor acceptable; it could not be confirmed and only the group defends it, in a sort of “unique version”.

Although they say in their statements that their strategic position in the Tapas restaurant allowed them, the McCanns, to see the apartment where they’d left their underage children asleep, the examination of the spot reveals it is false.

It must be noted, also, that according to the investigation. everything points to their position at the table being with their backs to the apartment.

On that NIGHT, around 22:05h, according to her version, it was Kate that went to the apartment to check the children, coinciding with the end of the dinner, at which she had arrived at around 20:30h.

So, she returned to the apartment about one and a half hours later, the time lapse during which she didn’t see her children.

It took her about 10 minutes!!. She then showed up at the restaurant and told the remaining members about the disappearance of her daughter Madeleine.

It must be noted that Kate knew that, going back to the restaurant as she did, she would leave the twins, Amelie and Sean, in the same dangerous situation.

It is not understandable why she didn’t use the mobile phone to call Gerald or the group or, even simpler, that she didn’t walk out on the balcony from where she could be perfectly heard by the members of the group.

***

The authorities, the GNR, were alerted at around 22:40h, and the alerted population started the searches for the child. 

The divulgation of the facts wasn’t kept within the authorities and the normal channels. On the following day, British and Portuguese televisions were broadcasting the news.

However, the GROUP had been reunited. The search was circumscribed to the interior of the apartment. 

Even before any search by the authorities in the surroundings started, the news about the possible abduction was already running along.

By reasons, they said, of counselling and support, the parents asked for the presence of a priest, at around 02:00h/03:00h on the 04th of May.

From the informal depositions they gave, during the judiciary inspection on location, the information immediately induced the thesis of ABDUCTION.

Simple things became disinformation: the question of the open or closed window; the shutter up or down; the open balcony door…the front door, merely shut or locked by key.

***

Despite everything, until a certain time in the investigation, the family sustained and fed the theory of abduction. However, on a date that cannot be precise it was suggested by the family that a person should be consulted that could, eventually, indicate the probable location of little Madeleine’s cadaver.

This fact became inexplicable to the members of the investigation, given the fact that it was the members of the family themselves who raised the hypothesis little Maddie’s death.

Nevertheless, for the media they continued (and continue) to declare their hope of finding their daughter alive: the first time that the hypothesis of the little girl’s death was raised it was, effectively, suggested by the McCann couple.


***

While keeping several investigation lines open, it was decided to advance in the direction of a new inspection of the spot where the girl disappeared.

The inspection technique is commonly used in the United Kingdom and consists of the use of especially trained dogs.

Naturally, the dog’s smelling sense is the ‘sense’ at use. In the case of this ‘sense’, the difference between the human and the dog is of 5 million cells to 200 million cells.
It must be highlighted that the use to this kind of inspection is frequent in the UK and the success rate is of 100%.

One of the dogs is trained to detect cadaver odour and the other to identify traces of human blood.

We now stress that the location of the cadaver odours signifies that physically the body (cadaver) is not on the place, marked by the dog, but certainly it has been there, as long as the dog signals it.

As can be read in the process files, in this inquiry, the dogs inspected the following locations and items, with the results described below.

All the inspections were recorded in sound and image and were directed by our British colleagues that accompany the dogs.

Among the great number of items and locations that were inspected, the dogs marked the following locations and items:

1. Apartment 5 A, Ocean Club resort, the place from where the child disappeared
1.1. Cadaver odour detection dog:

* master bedroom, in a corner, by the wardrobe
* living room, behind the sofa, by the side window

1.2. Blood dog: 

* living room behind the sofa, by the side window (exactly the same spot that had been signalled by the cadaver dog);

2. Front garden of apartment 5A:
2.1. Cadaver odour detection dog:

* one of the flower beds (the dog handler commented on the “lightness” of the odour)

3. Apartments where the rest of the group were staying:

* NOTHING was detected by the dogs

4. McCanns’ present residence (at that time):

* NOTHING was detected in the house by any of the dogs

5. In Aldeia da Luz village:

* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs

6. McCann family’s clothes and belongings:
6.1. Cadaver odour detection dog:

* two pieces of clothing belonging to Kate McCann
* one piece of clothing belonging to Madeleine 
* Madeleine’s soft toy
* the cadaver odour was detected when the toy was still inside the residence (the McCanns’, at that date)
* it was confirmed under out of the house conditions

7. The vehicle that was used by the McCann family:
7.1. Cadaver odour detection dog:

* marked the car key
* marked the inside of the car boot

7.2. Blood dog:

* marked the car key
* marked the inside of the car boot

8. Car that was used by a family friend that was staying in the same resort, on some of the same days :

* nothing was detected by any of the dogs

9. All the cars that were used by arguido Robert Murat and the people that are close to him:

* nothing was detected by any of the dogs.

(In a total of 10 cars the cadaver dog and the blood dog only marked the car of the McCann family, rented on the 27th of May!!!)


The locations and items that were marked and signalled by the blood dog are being subject to forensic exams, part of which are already concluded.

Not less relevant is the refinement of the results that point towards Madeleine’s DNA as being present in apartment 5A, behind the sofa, a spot that was marked by the cadaver and the blood dog. In every place marked by the blood dog, the laboratory confirmed that DNA was present.

***

The media attention that has been given to the case and the search for information by said media has led to an evolution in Madeleine’s parents’ statements.

All the information that was made public, has contributed to the rebuilding of the story, adapting it to eventual police questions, and to attempts to justify the indicia and consequent evidence that is being collected.

Let’s see: the media suggested the possibility that the children could have been sedated to be kept asleep and allow the parents some rest.

Distant in time, Kate’s father, the grandfather of the child, Brian Healy, admits to the press that Kate could have administered some medication to the little girl, Calpol, to help the child (the children??) to sleep, contrary to what his daughter Kate has been stating.

Kate, through the PJ inspector that acted as “liaison” with the family, asked why samples weren’t taken from the twins in order to test that hypothesis. She knew well enough at that time, more than 3 months later, that such an exam would be worthless.


She went even further and said that we – the investigation – should verify that the abductor had sedated Madeleine, in order to accomplish his action and that he had also sedated the twins…to consummate the act…however she didn’t say that at the right moment.

What we certainly know is that the sedatives have timings to act and timings to be expelled, that vary between six and 200 hours.
The McCanns’ medical knowledge is enough to know this, even if their professional activity never included performing toxicology exams.

When the media informed that blood had been detected “in the car and in the apartment”, Kate and members of her family come to the public with the simple excuse that it had been someone, who had access to the apartment, that had placed the evidence.

Now they even admit it was the criminal investigation body that placed the “false” evidence (blood and cadaver odour in the apartment and in the car).

In an attempt to justify the blood, Kate went even further, informing, on that occasion, that Madeleine sometimes suffered nosebleeds.

***

On the day that the house search was performed, at the McCanns’ residence, written papers were found in the master bedroom, as well as a bible, written in English. It was open on the pages whose copies are annexed to this report, with the translation.

***

ABDUCTION is a situation with which, unfortunately, in the United Kingdom, most of the public opinion is acquainted, due to the rate of this kind of crime.

Intelligent people should have a minimum of knowledge that publicity damages the investigation of an abduction crime and is especially threatening to the safety of the abducted person.


They should wait for the decisions from the police authorities; there is strong evidence that the crime scene was altered, and some furniture was moved around.

Those changes are indications of simulation.

***

On the night that little Madeleine disappeared, the family was contacted by a lady that identified herself with documents that credited her as somebody that worked with minors in the United Kingdom.

She identified herself with documents/certifications that are used in the UK, with hospitals and child care centres. She offered her help in whatever was needed.
No doubt this person could have been of valuable help, even about procedures, but she was dismissed.

***

From everything that was established, the facts point in the direction that the death of Madeleine McCann occurred, on the night of May 3rd of 2007, inside apartment 5A, at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, which was occupied by the McCann couple and by their three children;

There is a coincidence between the marking of cadaver odour and blood, according to the (partial) Laboratory Report that has been annexed to the process files.

Said marking occurred behind the living room sofa (cadaver odour / blood / DNA), which indubitably proves that said piece of furniture was pushed back by someone, after the death of Madeleine McCann was verified. Because of the few traces that were recovered on location and subject to examination, it has to be admitted as a strong hypothesis that it was subject to a “washing”, at a moment following the occurrence of death.

In the same manner, the soft toy that was used by the dead child, which was found at the top of the bed where she usually slept (cf. photos from the initial inspection) reveals that someone put it there at a moment posterior to death, given the fact that the bed doesn’t have any cadaver odour. This is to say, an intentional modification took place, in order to simulate a “picture” that doesn’t match reality, in an attempt to take advantage for the simulation of an abduction scenario;

It must be added that the cadaver odour detection dog strongly signalled the bedroom where the McCann couple slept, which may indicate the moving of the corpse from the actual death spot (living room) into a non visible part of said bedroom;

Furthermore a strong marking of cadaver odour was made on Kate McCann’s clothes, which may indicate that she was in touch with the cadaver;

There was also a strong marking of cadaver odour in the car that was used by the McCann couple (since the 27th of May 2007), which in conjugation with the blood dog’s marking and based on the forensics that are included in the process files, which indicate the presence of Madeleine McCann’s DNA in the car boot, lead towards not excluding a strong hypothesis that this vehicle may have possibly been used move the cadaver, 24 days after the death;

The indication from the cadaver odour detection dog, as well as from the blood detection dog, on the key of the aforementioned vehicle, where the laboratory would confirm the existence of Gerald McCann’s DNA, cannot be dismissed. This last signalling was obtained by the dogs after the key was put far away from the vehicle, in a non visible location.

***

From everything that is exposed, the process files result in the following:

A) the minor Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, on the night of the 3rd of May 2007;

B) a simulation of an abduction took place;

C) in order to render the child’s death impossible before 22H00, a situation of checking of the McCann couple’s children while they slept was made up;

D) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the cadaver of their daughter, Madeleine McCann;

E) at this moment, there seem to be no strong indications that the child’s death was not the result of a tragic accident, yet;

F) from what has been established up to now, everything indicates that the McCann couple, in self-defence, doesn’t want to deliver the cadaver immediately and voluntarily, and there is a strong possibility that it was moved from the initial place of deposition. This situation may raise questions concerning the circumstances in which the death of the child took place.

***

Therefore, we suggest that the case files are sent to the Republic’s Prosecutor, in the Lagos legal district, for:

G) a possible new questioning of the arguidos Kate and Gerald McCann;

H) an evaluation of the measure of restraint to be applied in this case;


During the house search at the McCann couple’s residence, a diary style manuscript was found, already photocopied, possibly authored by Kate McCann; admitting that it may contain information that may help to reach the material truth of facts, WE PROPOSE THAT:

I) the photocopies of said document are presented to the illustrious Judge for the purpose of its apprehension, if legal, its translation and eventual collection of information to be included in the process files, as necessary for the investigation.

At this date, I subject the case files to your appreciation, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient, hence I open:


CONCLUSION

On the tenth of September, two thousand and seven

Chief Inspector

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Post by Verdi on 29.11.15 12:24

@HiDeHo wrote:  The Express were faced with the £550,000 out of court settlement....NOT because they wrote 'lies' but because they could not name sources!



Or for the bigger picture..

https://www.google.com/search?q=images+of+daily+express+madeleine+mccann+headlines&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4l-2uy7XJAhVIzRQKHVMGDvoQsAQIHA&biw=1366&bih=609#imgrc=_

Are you sure of your facts HiDeHo?

Apart from anything else, in fairness to the parents McCann, it can't be very pleasant to see your name splashed across the headlines every day with accusations of all manner of horrendous acts - innocent until proven guilty.  Whatever they may or mayn't be guilty of, it is morally wrong and no doubt to an extent legally wrong, to publish such sensational headlines relative to an active police investigation - more so as the crime was committed on foreign soil.

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Post by Verdi on 29.11.15 12:41

@jeanmonroe wrote:  Under Portuguese LAW, any 'case' that is 'archived/shelved', pending possible 'new' information, relevant to that 'case', HAS to be 'made public'.

IT'S THEIR 'LAW'


I admit to knowing naff all about Portuguese law but I'm still finding this issue difficult to comprehend.  Having read in the past that it's a requirement by law I tried to find some confirmation - to no avail (no surprise as I don't speak Portuguese).  Are you saying that precise detail (with a few exceptions) of every criminal investigation undertaken in Portugal (with the exception of Socrates maybe), once shelved, is made freely available to the public by way of the media etc?  I could perhaps understand if files are kept in a specific location and made available for scrutiny by interested parties but made generally public? 

Extraordinary!

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Post by HiDeHo on 29.11.15 12:43

Verdi - From what I understand, and PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, as explained in the video with David Pilditch, the Express KNEW they may be sued because they could not name the source.

This does not mean that the headlines OR articles were correct in their information, but as it seems with all their efforts at suing people it never seems to be about 'lies', they always seem to find a loophole so the details are not exposed...

Just as an example... Tony was Contempt of Court... NOT because he told 'lies'

Goncalo Amaral book is about the 'suffering' they were caused NOT because he wrote lies...

The OUT OF COURT settlement, was , as I understand it, because the media took most of the info from the Portuguese press and there was no attributed source to the details...

David Pilditch explained it at the Leveson Inquiry... See 5.30 in the vid and also 8.10 to see David Pilditch explanation


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Post by HiDeHo on 29.11.15 13:02

@Verdi wrote:@jeanmonroe wrote:  Under Portuguese LAW, any 'case' that is 'archived/shelved', pending possible 'new' information, relevant to that 'case', HAS to be 'made public'.

IT'S THEIR 'LAW'


I admit to knowing naff all about Portuguese law but I'm still finding this issue difficult to comprehend.  Having read in the past that it's a requirement by law I tried to find some confirmation - to no avail (no surprise as I don't speak Portuguese).  Are you saying that precise detail (with a few exceptions) of every criminal investigation undertaken in Portugal (with the exception of Socrates maybe), once shelved, is made freely available to the public by way of the media etc?  I could perhaps understand if files are kept in a specific location and made available for scrutiny by interested parties but made generally public? 

Extraordinary!


Regarding the release of the files, Portuguese law (as it stood back in 2008) requires that once an arguido is declared they case must be shelved or someone charged after 8 months.

There are exceptions where TWO extensions of three months can be added and this was the case with this investigation

Robert Murat was declared an arguido in May and therefore the case should have been shelved in January, but two extensions were granted and the case was shelved in July.

Portuguese law demands the files are released though I will have to check whether had they not been forced to shelve the case, how long a case can remain 'open' without the files being released.

The current Portuguese investigation would (likely, if the laws are still in place) have to be shelved in a similar way IF they have declared any arguidos.  This could have happened without our knowledge due to judicial secrecy.

We will just have to wait to find out.


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Post by HiDeHo on 29.11.15 15:52

CONFIRMATION regarding my last post about the release of files after shelving.

All investigations are public and may be requested by the public once the case is shelved or the criminal investigation is closed . 


Files are available to the public. upon request.


It's perfectly legal to host these in any Internet site and translate them.
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Post by aquila on 29.11.15 16:05

@HiDeHo wrote:CONFIRMATION regarding my last post about the release of files after shelving.

All investigations are public and may be requested by the public once the case is shelved or the criminal investigation is closed . 


Files are available to the public. upon request.


It's perfectly legal to host these in any Internet site and translate them.
What bothers me is that there is no authenticity given to who requested the files and to the many translations and possible mistranslations.
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Post by HiDeHo on 29.11.15 17:47

@aquila wrote:
@HiDeHo wrote:CONFIRMATION regarding my last post about the release of files after shelving.

All investigations are public and may be requested by the public once the case is shelved or the criminal investigation is closed . 


Files are available to the public. upon request.


It's perfectly legal to host these in any Internet site and translate them.
What bothers me is that there is no authenticity given to who requested the files and to the many translations and possible mistranslations.

Most of the cases in Portugal, relate to Portuguese incident so they wouldn't need translation, or are you referring to this case?

All the original files are there for anyone to check the translations if its important enough.
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Post by Verdi on 29.11.15 18:57

@HiDeHo wrote:Verdi - From what I understand, and PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, as explained in the video with David Pilditch, the Express KNEW they may be sued because they could not name the source.

This does not mean that the headlines OR articles were correct in their information, but as it seems with all their efforts at suing people it never seems to be about 'lies', they always seem to find a loophole so the details are not exposed...

Just as an example... Tony was Contempt of Court... NOT because he told 'lies'

Goncalo Amaral book is about the 'suffering' they were caused NOT because he wrote lies...

The OUT OF COURT settlement, was , as I understand it, because the media took most of the info from the Portuguese press and there was no attributed source to the details...

David Pilditch explained it at the Leveson Inquiry... See 5.30 in the vid and also 8.10 to see David Pilditch explanation


I can't deny the documented proceedings of the Leveson inquiry but I can question the veracity of those involved when trying to absolve themselves of culpability.  Excuse my scepticism but I frankly think the Leveson inquiry was nothing short of a joke and thus can imagine those in the dock so to speak, such as the Express Group and News International, saying what's ever necessary to get themselves off the hook.

Hope I'm not being over pinickety - here is the written apology back in March 2008..

Kate and Gerry McCann:  Sorry

The Daily and Sunday Express have taken the unprecedented step of making a front-page apology to Kate and Gerry McCann.



We did so because we accept that a number of articles in the newspaper have suggested that the couple caused the death of their missing daughter Madeleine and then covered it up.

We acknowledge that there is no evidence whatsoever to support this theory and that Kate and Gerry are completely innocent of any involvement in their daughter's disappearance.

We trust that the suspicion that has clouded their lives for many months will soon be lifted.

As an expression of its regret, the Daily Express has now paid a very substantial sum into the Madeleine Fund and we promise to do all in our power to help efforts to find her.

Kate and Gerry, we are truly sorry to have added to your distress.

We assure you that we hope Madeleine will one day be found alive and well and will be restored to her loving family.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/38490/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-Sorry

Just for the record, I don't believe a word of that either.

ETA:  I don't suggest the McCanns were right to extort vast sums of money from media outlets, I, like so many others, are of the opinion that if they chose to court the UK media to caste a favourable slant on reportage then they shouldn't complain if turns and bites them on the bum.  That however doesn't detract from the fact that the UK press behaved irresponsibly.

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Post by Verdi on 29.11.15 19:16

@HiDeHo wrote:CONFIRMATION regarding my last post about the release of files after shelving.

All investigations are public and may be requested by the public once the case is shelved or the criminal investigation is closed . 


Files are available to the public. upon request.


It's perfectly legal to host these in any Internet site and translate them.
I'm aware of Portuguese procedure for archiving a process so that is not the issue that confounds me.  My reply to @jeanmonroe up-thread I think explains and you here have pretty much confirmed my thoughts on the subject i.e. 'files are available to the public upon request.'


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Post by HiDeHo on 29.11.15 20:36

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@HiDeHo wrote:Verdi - From what I understand, and PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, as explained in the video with David Pilditch, the Express KNEW they may be sued because they could not name the source.

This does not mean that the headlines OR articles were correct in their information, but as it seems with all their efforts at suing people it never seems to be about 'lies', they always seem to find a loophole so the details are not exposed...

Just as an example... Tony was Contempt of Court... NOT because he told 'lies'

Goncalo Amaral book is about the 'suffering' they were caused NOT because he wrote lies...

The OUT OF COURT settlement, was , as I understand it, because the media took most of the info from the Portuguese press and there was no attributed source to the details...

David Pilditch explained it at the Leveson Inquiry... See 5.30 in the vid and also 8.10 to see David Pilditch explanation


I can't deny the documented proceedings of the Leveson inquiry but I can question the veracity of those involved when trying to absolve themselves of culpability.  Excuse my scepticism but I frankly think the Leveson inquiry was nothing short of a joke and thus can imagine those in the dock so to speak, such as the Express Group and News International, saying what's ever necessary to get themselves off the hook.

Hope I'm not being over pinickety - here is the written apology back in March 2008..

Kate and Gerry McCann:  Sorry

The Daily and Sunday Express have taken the unprecedented step of making a front-page apology to Kate and Gerry McCann.



We did so because we accept that a number of articles in the newspaper have suggested that the couple caused the death of their missing daughter Madeleine and then covered it up.

We acknowledge that there is no evidence whatsoever to support this theory and that Kate and Gerry are completely innocent of any involvement in their daughter's disappearance.

We trust that the suspicion that has clouded their lives for many months will soon be lifted.

As an expression of its regret, the Daily Express has now paid a very substantial sum into the Madeleine Fund and we promise to do all in our power to help efforts to find her.

Kate and Gerry, we are truly sorry to have added to your distress.

We assure you that we hope Madeleine will one day be found alive and well and will be restored to her loving family.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/38490/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-Sorry

Just for the record, I don't believe a word of that either.

ETA:  I don't suggest the McCanns were right to extort vast sums of money from media outlets, I, like so many others, are of the opinion that if they chose to court the UK media to caste a favourable slant on reportage then they shouldn't complain if turns and bites them on the bum.  That however doesn't detract from the fact that the UK press behaved irresponsibly.


Have the McCanns ever sued anyone for 'lies'?

In March 2008, the police files and Tavares report were not public but it appears the Express apologised for saying the same things that were in the files.

In a legal situation claiming they were innocent and that there is no evidence would still stand I expect.

They used the word 'suggested' and makes no referral to any specific article apart from what is in the files.

Maybe to sue for the headlines that did exist (some of which  there is no proof of that we know)  may have opened a can of worms and if its possible to sue a newspaper if they fail to name a source, then I would expect that would not open the can of worms as it would if they were  to prove the headlines were incorrect or lies.

It was an out of court settlement. If my memory serves me correct the Express were sued by someone that was subsequently found guilty.  Does  anyone remember that case?

I believe Richard Desmond uses Carter Ruck also

Is there ANY reference to them accusing (and suing) anyone that has supposedly told lies about them?
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Post by Verdi on 29.11.15 22:54

@HiDeHo wrote:   Have the McCanns ever sued anyone for 'lies'?

Effectively the McCanns have never sued anyone - full stop, at least not in the UK.  Out of court settlements are par for the course for the UK media, they make unfounded allegations and pay the price.  As I see it, it's a game they play - by adverse publicity they gain a greater readership.  Half a million here, half a million there is but small change for giant conglomerates like the Express Group and Murdoch's empire.

Backed by notorious specialist lawyers like Carter Ruck, if the McCanns had genuine grounds for legal action against the UK media their lawyers would have found it - but they didn't, instead they agreed to an out of court settlement.   I don't believe this had anything to do with opening cans of worms for the simple reason, as you point out yourself, this was already accomplished.

Still, at the end of the day this is all conjecture, without knowledge of the settlement details but I strongly suspect it was just a run of the mill agreement that the likes of the Express Group are faced with every week.   Indeed I shouldn't be surprised if top libel layers are in cahoots with the media - kind of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours but that's an aside.  O me of little faith.

Goncalo Amaral is of course another matter altogether.  By inference I think the McCanns legal action against him was accusing him of being a liar insofar as they initially disputed the content of 'The Truth of the Lie'.  Only as time passed did this become diluted and focused on the distress the book caused them and their family and hampered (splutter!) the search for Madeleine.  Going into the realms of Portuguese law again so I will say no more.

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Post by aquila on 30.11.15 6:41

@HiDeHo wrote:
@aquila wrote:
@HiDeHo wrote:CONFIRMATION regarding my last post about the release of files after shelving.

All investigations are public and may be requested by the public once the case is shelved or the criminal investigation is closed . 


Files are available to the public. upon request.


It's perfectly legal to host these in any Internet site and translate them.
What bothers me is that there is no authenticity given to who requested the files and to the many translations and possible mistranslations.

Most of the cases in Portugal, relate to Portuguese incident so they wouldn't need translation, or are you referring to this case?

All the original files are there for anyone to check the translations if its important enough.
Madeleine's disappearance is a Portuguese incident, however Madeleine is a British citizen and is entitled to have UK police involved in her case imo.

What I mean about the files is that the McCanns say they spent £100k on translating the files. Polyglots on forums have translated the files for free and hopefully Operation Grange have commissioned their own translation and not just accepted the McCanns version. So already you have three translations. I wonder if you sent the same files to several professional people for translation would you receive something identical in English?

For instance, is Kate McCann's answer to the only question she allegedly answered in interview open to mistranslation? 'If that's what the investigation thinks'. Who translated that?

Sometimes it's difficult to understand whether there is a translation of a translation from Portuguese to English, back to Portuguese and then back to English. That's all I meant.
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Post by HiDeHo on 30.11.15 14:06

There was an interpreter present as well as her lawyer.  

Kate signed (as well as others) and one would have to believe that what she signed (in this particular case) was correct and with her lawyer's approval and reflects her words correctly.

I have added the translation that has been translated voluntarily.

To date, I know of no dispute to the accuracy of the translation.



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