Claim by 'Stevo' - "CEOP show Maddie is missing on 30th April 2007"

by cloak'ndagger 17.06.15 0:05

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by jeanmonroe 17.06.15 0:27

Photo from Steve Marsden's post in Madeleine McCann: Abduction or Scam?

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Steve Marsden‎ Madeleine McCann: Abduction or Scam?

Madeleine McCann was reported missing on the CEOP website on April 30, 2007.

According to the Wayback Machine (archive.org), a capture was made on April 30, 2007.

Figure that one out!
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Marian Greaves Steve Marsden which authorities are you going to report this to??

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Steve Marsden Links to external pages get dynamically altered or else they would all be dead links. That explains the May 13 date to an external link. Obviously the Wayback Machine tweaks the source of the grabbed page because it adds the comment data like the one I just posted above.

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Lorraine Birks So it was definitely a live link on the 30th April ?

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Steve Marsden Wendy just brought this article to my attention. Thank you very much smile emoticon This is important because it shows that the Wayback Machine has been used as evidence in court. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

"Weighing up the Wayback Machine: an analysis of the admissibility of archived websites." De...
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Teena Robbins Please share x

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..Robert Santos Just got in.... Boy do I have a lot of catching up to do.
Anyway well done
who-ever and all

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..Chris Martin I think we can say there was definitely a mccann.html page on Apr 30th.
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'forgive me being fik' but what does the 'above' stuff .....'mean'?

by **Nina** 17.06.15 0:48

jeanmonroe wrote:Photo from Steve Marsden's post in Madeleine McCann: Abduction or Scam?

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Steve Marsden‎ Madeleine McCann: Abduction or Scam?

Madeleine McCann was reported missing on the CEOP website on April 30, 2007.

According to the Wayback Machine (archive.org), a capture was made on April 30, 2007.

Figure that one out!
3 hrs

Marian Greaves Steve Marsden which authorities are you going to report this to??

about an hour ago · Like · 1
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Steve Marsden Links to external pages get dynamically altered or else they would all be dead links. That explains the May 13 date to an external link. Obviously the Wayback Machine tweaks the source of the grabbed page because it adds the comment data like the one I just posted above.

about an hour ago · Like · 2

Lorraine Birks So it was definitely a live link on the 30th April ?

about an hour ago · Like · 3
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Steve Marsden Wendy just brought this article to my attention. Thank you very much smile emoticon This is important because it shows that the Wayback Machine has been used as evidence in court. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

"Weighing up the Wayback Machine: an analysis of the admissibility of archived websites." De...
saflii.org
..
59 minutes ago · Edited · Like · 6

Teena Robbins Please share x

56 minutes ago · Like
..Robert Santos Just got in.... Boy do I have a lot of catching up to do.
Anyway well done
who-ever and all

55 minutes ago · Edited · Like · 4
..Chris Martin I think we can say there was definitely a mccann.html page on Apr 30th.
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'forgive me being fik' but what does the 'above' stuff .....'mean'?

Well jeanmonroe it took me 2 years to learn how to copy/paste so I am not a techy at all but having read all the comments on the facebookpage it seems that CEOP had that on their website on the 30th April 2007.

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by roy rovers 17.06.15 0:53

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yes the Wayback machine (whatever it is) takes you to this page - click 30 April 2007. Is it a spoof?

by cloak'ndagger 17.06.15 1:06

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yes the Wayback machine (whatever it is) takes you to this page - click 30 April 2007. Is it a spoof?

No way is it a spoof. .Technology is Steve Marsden's area of expertise. He wouldn't get that wrong. .

by jeanmonroe 17.06.15 1:10

Thx Nina,

Well, surprise, surprise, our 'friend' J Gamble was CEO at CEOP on 30th April 2007!

Ka-ching?

The 'penny' DROPS!

He 'needed' something, anything, REALLY, REALLY, BIG, to 'prove' HIS and CEOP's 'worth'?

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Jim Gamble, CEO of the CEOP Centre said:

This arrest proves that we can turn the power of technology against those who abuse the internet to target children. Since the site’s launch on Friday we received a phenomenal response - over 8 million hits in the first 24 hours and we have already seen our first arrest - this sends out a clear message to any perpetrators who think they can escape the police.

We appeal to the others featured on the site to come forward and give themselves up.

Notes to Editors

The Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre was launched on Monday 24 April 2006. CEOP is the UK’s first fully co-ordinated and dedicated response bringing together law enforcement WITH SPECIALISTS FROM CHILDREN'S CHARITIES.

Would also 'explain' GM's bedside locker 'reading'............................'confidential' CEOP 'manuals'

I always 'wondered' WHERE they 'came from'

"SLOWLEE, SLOWLEE, CATCHEE MONKEY"?

by whatsupdoc 17.06.15 8:03

Start with...

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Put [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the search box and click Browse History.

Select 2007 and it shows a different pattern of the crawler dates.

Select 30th April and it shows what I think is the correct web page for that date...

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I think it is a miss-direction of the url. Note the two http in the link...an old trick we used to play on a forum many years ago. Start by breaking up the url.

by Liz Eagles 17.06.15 8:11

whatsupdoc wrote:Start with...

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Put [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the search box and click Browse History.

Select 2007 and it shows a different pattern of the crawler dates.

Select 30th April and it shows what I think is the correct web page for that date...

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I think it is a miss-direction of the url. Note the two http in the link...an old trick we used to play on a forum many years ago. Start by breaking up the url.

That's about as clear as mud to an old techno duffer like me.

by whatsupdoc 17.06.15 8:19

You can do it, aquila.

It just needs a copy & paste of the ceops url into your browser thingy...as they say on TV... smilie

( into the search box of the wayback site)

by **Jill Havern** 17.06.15 8:20

whatsupdoc wrote:Start with...

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Put [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the search box and click Browse History.

Select 2007 and it shows a different pattern of the crawler dates.

Select 30th April and it shows what I think is the correct web page for that date...

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I think it is a miss-direction of the url. Note the two http in the link...an old trick we used to play on a forum many years ago. Start by breaking up the url.

It still says 'Help find Madeleine McCann' huh

It's about as confusing as Madeleine's Ye Olde Online Shoppe showing the date 2006 when she 'disappeared' in 2007.

by Liz Eagles 17.06.15 8:24

whatsupdoc wrote:You can do it, aquila.

It just needs a copy & paste of the ceops url into your browser thingy...as they say on TV... ( into the search box of the wayback site)

I followed your instructions and got a timed out message.

by whatsupdoc 17.06.15 8:28

I've tried it again and it works ok.

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...then put the ceops url in their search box. Click on 2007 and the 30th April and you get...

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by **tigger** 17.06.15 8:30

CEOP: (wiki)

The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) is a command of the UK's National Crime Agency (NCA), and is tasked to work both nationally and internationally to bring online child sex offenders, including those involved in the production, distribution and viewing of child abuse material, to the UK courts.[1] The centre was formed in April 2006, and was absorbed into the NCA on 7 October 2013 by the Crime and Courts Act 2013.
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1 Purpose and

CEOP combines police powers with expertise from the business sector, government, specialist charities and other interested organisations.

CEOP is made up of police officers with specialist experience of tracking and prosecuting sex offenders working with people from organisations including the NSPCC and Childnet, Microsoft and AOL. Partnerships have been set up across non-government bodies, including: Action for Children, NSPCC, Barnardos; business (Microsoft, AOL, Serco, Vodafone etc.) and UK Government departments (Department for Education; Home Office; Foreign and Commonwealth Office etc.). CEOP works with organisations such as The Scout Association, the Football Association, the England and Wales Cricket Board, BT, and Lycos to widen the scope of its work.[citation needed]

Budget[edit]
The CEOP's Home Office funding was frozen in 2010 and reduced by 10% over the subsequent three years. Staff numbers were increased during this period according to the CEOP, though former employees dispute this.[2] In 2012-13 the budget was £6 million[3] and there were 109 posts, which included 13 seconded police officers.[4] Additional money and resources came from the NSPCC, Google, Microsoft and BAE Systems Detica.[5]
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Jim G was the Director of CEOP and had previously led Operation Ore which was handed a list of over 7,000 UK citizens downloading childporn. On that list were :-

"Operation Ore has already ensnared the majority of those in categories one and two. They include teachers, barristers, solicitors, university lecturers, hospital consultants, a deputy prison governor, a senior Treasury civil servant and 50 policemen (including two involved in the investigation into the murder of two girls in Soham, Cambridgeshire, last year)."
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In 2006/2007 Operation Ore was under attack from the press for being over zealous.

by whatsupdoc 17.06.15 8:44

Just to add...

I clicked on the latest news for 30th April and nothing mentioned about Madeleine...

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by Liz Eagles 17.06.15 8:45

whatsupdoc wrote:Just to add...

I clicked on the latest news for 30th April and nothing mentioned about Madeleine...

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I just got 'timed out' again.

by Doug D 17.06.15 8:45

Truth For Madeleine site has the following with a bit of a ‘techi’ screen:

The Wayback Machine is a website at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

It stores billions of web pages and serves as a historic reference to web pages and web sites of yore.

CEOP, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre is a British police affiliated organisation who have been involved with this case since the earliest days.

Today a link was found that indicates foreknowledge on the part of CEOP.

In the Wayback Machine, a page was grabbed from the CEOP website on April 30, 2007 at 11:58:03 (link: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.])

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The page says “Help Find Madeleine McCann” and it features an old photo of Madeleine taken before her holiday in Portugal.

The Wayback Machine has grabbed billions of pages dating back to the 1990s.

What were CEOP doing advertising Madeleine as missing on their website, 3-days before she was reported missing to Portuguese police?

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Sharon Mehlorn on the original FB site has posted a letter up she has written to CEOP asking for an explanation, which will no doubt be forthcoming and explain how ‘the system’ manages to pre-date itself.

Unfortunately, what we need is a techi we can actually trust to give a truthful answer to whether this is correct or not.

by macdonut 17.06.15 9:03

This is a red herring I think guys. If you look at the full ceop page as allegedly archived on 30th April:

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You'll see quite a number of news stories and links that are, in fact, dated in October 2007.

While I don't profess to understand how the web archive works, it clearly isn't accurate, at least on this occasion.

by **Tony Bennett** 17.06.15 9:14

macdonut wrote:This is a red herring I think guys. If you look at the full ceop page as allegedly archived on 30th April:

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You'll see quite a number of news stories and links that are, in fact, dated in October 2007.

While I don't profess to understand how the web archive works, it clearly isn't accurate, at least on this occasion.

Steve Marsden has been proved wrong about this sort of thing a number of times before - jumping to hasty and incorrect conclusions.

However, if he were right, it would lend support to those who, for example, claim that the 'Last Photo' was probably taken on Sunday 29 April

by **PeterMac** 17.06.15 9:17

They haven't managed to 'whoosh' it yet.

Have a look, and make your own copies and screenshots

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(It would, incidentally, fit with the Last Photo's having been taken on 29th April, as we know)
Wouldn't it be poetic if CEOPS were the source of the downfall.
But might this revelation show why Gamble has been so defensive, and gave up any semblance of professional detachment ?
The date is shown very clearly top right.

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by whatsupdoc 17.06.15 9:18

macdonut wrote:This is a red herring I think guys. If you look at the full ceop page as allegedly archived on 30th April:

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You'll see quite a number of news stories and links that are, in fact, dated in October 2007.

While I don't profess to understand how the web archive works, it clearly isn't accurate, at least on this occasion.

Agreed , macdonut. So we have two versions for the 30th April. The version I found did have references to October 2007 so at least one entry on 30th April was incorrect if not both.

I noticed the html code in Doug D post was a comment and the date could have been edited in and captured.

by Lands_end 17.06.15 9:19

A fairly simple bit of coding can alter dates and times. Who the hell needs CEOP anyways. Haven't parents often in the past been given that responsibility?

by sallypelt 17.06.15 9:46

I don't know if there is any truth in this, but if it turns out to be true, then it may explain Murat's sudden return to Portugal on 1st May 2007. It would also tie in with the "jemmied shutters" cock-up". Could this have been all planned, but it all went wrong when Jeremy Wilkins saw Gerry McCann fiddling with the shutters on the night of the 3rd of May?

I'll get my coat!

by **Tony Bennett** 17.06.15 10:48

This information - which appears to be credible - was posted on Twitter in the last hour, and is circulating rapidly:

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Moreover, a second expert has proclaimed that the correct date for this page being uploaded is 10 May, some time in the morning I think.

A third has suggested that it is the Wayback Machine that has 'mis-interpreted' Javascript code that explains why a false date of 30 April appears.

Steve Marsden ('Stevo') has led us up the garden path and back down again several times before with sensationalist information like this.

On balance, I'm inclined to think that it is Stevo, despite all his much-vaunted 'tecchie' abilities, who probably has a lot of explaining to do, rather than CEOP

by Liz Eagles 17.06.15 10:54

Tony Bennett wrote:This information - which appears to be credible - was posted on Twitter in the last hour, and is circulating rapidly:

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Moreover, a second expert has proclaimed that the correct date for this page being uploaded is 10 May, some time in the morning I think.

A third has suggested that it is the Wayback Machine that has 'mis-interpreted' Javascript code that explains why a false date of 30 April appears.

Steve Marsden ('Stevo') has led us up the garden path and back down again several times before with sensationalist information like this.

On balance, I'm inclined to think that it is Stevo, despite all his much-vaunted 'tecchie' abilities, who probably has a lot of explaining to do, rather than CEOP

I think it's a load of old hogwash too.

by NickE 17.06.15 11:43

This is an article from "PR Week" dated May 9, 2007.

"Mark Warner hires Bell Pottinger May 09, 2007

Mark Warner, the holiday company at the centre of the Portuguese kidnap story, is using the Bell Pottinger Group for help with the crisis.

Head of issues and crisis management Alex Woolfall is on location in Portugal and reports directly to MD *David Hopkins.

Mark Warner brought in Resonate on a generic brief a week before three-year-old Madeleine McCann was kidnapped from its Portuguese resort in Praia da Luz.

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by **Richard D. Hall** 17.06.15 12:17

This looks very interesting.

I would say that it is not down to CEOP to say how the date could have been mistaken earlier on the web.archive.org website.

The people that need to be asked are web.archive.org. Their server cuts and pastes the websites of the internet and archives them on it's own servers. So only they can say if the date is real or could be different from the day the page was archive.

Does anyone know how to contact web.archive.org to put this query to them.

When I try and click on this it times out also. Therefore it may have been taken down?

I think it would be wise to ask a query of web.archive.org NOT in relation to Madeleine McCann, but as a general generic query about the date appearing on the archived page. Is it always the exact date the page was archived? - Can it vary? Why can it vary?

Asking CEOP is not going to get you a truthful answer.

by Rogue-a-Tory 17.06.15 12:19

Trouble with all these red herrings and hares running is that they give TM the perfect opportunity to discredit any evidence that goes against their version of events - no matter how strong or compelling that other evidence may be.

Sadly that process isn't a two way street as Zapata proved to be the case.

by **tigger** 17.06.15 12:24

The photograph isn't going to help find a 4 yr old if once again a much earlier photograph is used.
Even if the date is wrong, where did all these photographs come from and who made the choice as to which one to send/select?
Jon Corner sent photos and videos to the media on the night of 3/4 - later (I think a few days later) he opened a 'protocol' according to Kate which would enable press etc. to download photographs.

by Rogue-a-Tory 17.06.15 12:35

tigger wrote:The photograph isn't going to help find a 4 yr old if once again a much earlier photograph is used.
Even if the date is wrong, where did all these photographs come from and who made the choice as to which one to send/select?
Jon Corner sent photos and videos to the media on the night of 3/4 - later (I think a few days later) he opened a 'protocol' according to Kate which would enable press etc. to download photographs.

That's the salient point with all the photos used in the search. You'd wish to use the most recent one and of the holiday.

A picture of a girl from a room in Rothley Towers means nothing to someone that may have seen Madeleine in the Algarve during that fateful holiday. Yet one by the pool, on the beach or in the play area etc is much more likely to provoke a memory from a holidaymaker or a local.

The big question is did they have one, if not why not? If so why not use it?

by **tigger** 17.06.15 12:46

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
tigger wrote:The photograph isn't going to help find a 4 yr old if once again a much earlier photograph is used.
Even if the date is wrong, where did all these photographs come from and who made the choice as to which one to send/select?
Jon Corner sent photos and videos to the media on the night of 3/4 - later (I think a few days later) he opened a 'protocol' according to Kate which would enable press etc. to download photographs.
That's the salient point with all the photos used in the search. You'd wish to use the most recent one and of the holiday.

A picture of a girl from a room in Rothley Towers means nothing to someone that may have seen Madeleine in the Algarve during that fateful holiday. Yet one by the pool, on the beach or in the play area etc is much more likely to provoke a memory from a holidaymaker or a local.

The big question is did they have one, if not why not? If so why not use it?

I'm just wondering that the whole point of taking Maddie to PdL was to create a bunch of suitable photographs 'on location' so to speak. As there aren't any, not even the 'last one' imo it supports an unforeseen accident early in the week.

May also explain why tbe Donagal photos were released very early, at least some holiday snaps even if it wasn't PdL...

May also explain the triumphant 'last photo' which photo they say is their last memory of Maddie, not the actual child, just the picture.