Re: "Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

by jeanmonroe 16.03.15 0:16

"Similar meetings are planned for the near future as the eighth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance approaches."
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"meetings ARE 'planned' for the near FUTURE......"

So, no 'UTMOST pressing URGENCY' to 'find' a 'live' Madeleine BEFORE 3rd May 2015, 'eighth anniversary' by 38 full time police/staff at OG, and rescue her from her 'hellish lair' within 10kms of PDL?

The 'cat' (FINALLY?) out of 'the bag' with regards to £11+million, taxpayer funded, 'investigation' at OG?

They are NOT 'looking for/searching for' a 'live' Madeleine. imo.

They (OG) 'know', that we 'know', that they have not, never have, and are not, 'searching' for a 'live' Madeleine, imo.

So WHY keep up the 'pretence'? (of pretendy 'searches')

WHY?

What do Cameron and May really 'know' about this 'case'? (if anything?)

If i were T May, allocating/authorising, PUBLIC money, £6,778, daily, to this 'investigation', i'd be 'asking' OG, DCI Wall, EVERY week, nae, EVERY DAY, what have you 'discovered' today?

Perhaps an e-mail to the Public Accounts Commitee might 'chivvy' things along!

thinking

by maebee 16.03.15 0:18

what happens if a body turns up ?

Not gonna happen:( Well disposed of, imo).

a Tapas gang member goes mad and shouts from the roof tops .?

Why hasn't this happened before now? 8 years and not a word of truth from any one of the 9. It's up to Nicola Wall now.

by G-Unit 16.03.15 0:43

maebee wrote:
what happens if a body turns up ?

Not gonna happen:( Well disposed of, imo).

a Tapas gang member goes mad and shouts from the roof tops .?

Why hasn't this happened before now? 8 years and not a word of truth from any one of the 9. It's up to Nicola Wall now.

Maybe it's up to the PJ who have been following their own lines of investigation? I wonder who 'called' the meeting? Was it the Portugese authorities who have found something and invited everyone? Perhaps they are calling the shots.

by jeanmonroe 16.03.15 0:46

As PMac 'pointed' out there are NOW FOUR, high 'profile', women (HM, lead investigator, PJ, of 're-opened' case, the new AG and the 'Judge' at libel case and DCI Wall, a 25 year, 'career' cop at OG) 'involved' in this 'case'

All of which are probably not 'emanoured, taken in', by 'fluttering' eyes, 'theatricals' from a certain er, 'someone'

Or 'impressed', in the least, by a certain 'Jock the lad'! (who changes his 'story' at almost every 'interview' he gives)

Can you 'imagine' the 'scene' at Rothley Towers, if, IF, these people were 'nailed' by a 'little' WOMAN? (DCI Wall)

I can almost 'hear' Tiny Tear's ballistic 'effing and blinding' 'now'.

Can't wait! winkwink

by G-Unit 16.03.15 0:53

I wonder what one calls a female who questions one? F***ing T***er wouldn't do, would it?
laughat

by fz2 16.03.15 0:57

jeanmonroe wrote:As PMac 'pointed' out there are NOW FOUR, high 'profile', women (HM, lead investigator, PJ, of 're-opened' case, the new AG and the 'Judge' at libel case and DCI Wall, a 25 year, 'career' cop at OG) 'involved' in this 'case'

All of which are probably not 'emanoured, taken in', by 'fluttering' eyes, 'theatricals' from a certain er, 'someone'

Or 'impressed', in the least, by a certain 'Jock the lad'! (who changes his 'story' at almost every 'interview' he gives)

Can you 'imagine' the 'scene' at Rothley Towers, if, IF, these people were 'nailed' by a 'little' WOMAN? (DCI Wall)

I can almost 'hear' Tiny Tear's ballistic 'effing and blinding' 'now'.

Can't wait!

Sorry for being pedantic but your over use of inverted commas and SHOUTING.......oops button it

by jeanmonroe 16.03.15 1:22

fz2 wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:As PMac 'pointed' out there are NOW FOUR, high 'profile', women (HM, lead investigator, PJ, of 're-opened' case, the new AG and the 'Judge' at libel case and DCI Wall, a 25 year, 'career' cop at OG) 'involved' in this 'case'

All of which are probably not 'emanoured, taken in', by 'fluttering' eyes, 'theatricals' from a certain er, 'someone'

Or 'impressed', in the least, by a certain 'Jock the lad'! (who changes his 'story' at almost every 'interview' he gives)

Can you 'imagine' the 'scene' at Rothley Towers, if, IF, these people were 'nailed' by a 'little' WOMAN? (DCI Wall)

I can almost 'hear' Tiny Tear's ballistic 'effing and blinding' 'now'.

Can't wait!
Sorry for being pedantic but your over use of inverted commas and SHOUTING.......oops button it

OK, boss!

Oh, hang on,
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fz2 wrote:

Searcher wrote:Could someone way what this headline means in terms of law? "Court reveals today proved matter .."?

(fz2) wrote:

Substitute "proved" with "provided".
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A reply from YOU, to Searcher, above, with TWO, out of FOUR, words, in inverted commas!

POT, KETTLE, BLACK, i'd say!

Welcome to the forum........ 'Kate'!

by fz2 16.03.15 1:34

jeanmonroe wrote:
fz2 wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:As PMac 'pointed' out there are NOW FOUR, high 'profile', women (HM, lead investigator, PJ, of 're-opened' case, the new AG and the 'Judge' at libel case and DCI Wall, a 25 year, 'career' cop at OG) 'involved' in this 'case'

All of which are probably not 'emanoured, taken in', by 'fluttering' eyes, 'theatricals' from a certain er, 'someone'

Or 'impressed', in the least, by a certain 'Jock the lad'! (who changes his 'story' at almost every 'interview' he gives)

Can you 'imagine' the 'scene' at Rothley Towers, if, IF, these people were 'nailed' by a 'little' WOMAN? (DCI Wall)

I can almost 'hear' Tiny Tear's ballistic 'effing and blinding' 'now'.

Can't wait!
Sorry for being pedantic but your over use of inverted commas and SHOUTING.......oops button it

OK, boss!

Oh, hang on,
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fz2 wrote:

Searcher wrote:Could someone way what this headline means in terms of law? "Court reveals today proved matter .."?

(fz2) wrote:

Substitute "proved" with "provided".
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A reply from YOU, to Searcher, above, with TWO, out of FOUR, words, in inverted commas!

POT, KETTLE, BLACK, i'd say!

Welcome to the forum........ 'Kate'!

Anyone with English literacy would understand why I used inverted commas in that post.

by jeanmonroe 16.03.15 1:42

Now, now, 'Kate', i'm old and not as literate as you, and can't write very good Queen's england.

by fz2 16.03.15 1:45

jeanmonroe wrote:Now, now, 'Kate', i'm old and not as literate as you, and can't write very good Queen's england.

Nice one, just don't give up your day job in favour of stand up comedy.

by jeanmonroe 16.03.15 1:54

fz2 wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:Now, now, 'Kate', i'm old and not as literate as you, and can't write very good Queen's england.
Nice one, just don't give up your day job in favour of stand up comedy.

Two old ladies walking on the beach

A streaker ran past (or is that passed?)

One had a stroke, the other one, couldn't reach!

ps: I'm still sitting down!

by ultimaThule 16.03.15 2:01

G-Unit wrote:I wonder what one calls a female who questions one? F***ing T***er wouldn't do, would it?

Sometimes calling a female who is ~~one sly bitch~~ beyond the pale 'a F**ing T**ser,' or T***rette as the case may be, ain't gonna cut the mustard and it happens that ya gotta put your money where your big mouth is.

For my money jm may be loud, may be strident, may over egg the pudding but, while her heart's in the right place, she's got my vote. thumbup

Shine on ,jeanm, you crazy diamond... you'll still be sparkling vhen others have lost their lustre.

by lj 16.03.15 2:25

Jean our voice of common sense Mrs

by jeanmonroe 16.03.15 2:37

fz2 wrote:

"Anyone with English literacy would understand why I used inverted commas in that post."
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I don't 'understand' (soz)

I'm just a 'thick' (soz again) bitch! daft1

by fz2 16.03.15 2:54

jeanmonroe wrote:fz2 wrote:

"Anyone with English literacy would understand why I used inverted commas in that post."
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I don't 'understand' (soz)

I'm just a 'thick' (soz again) bitch!

Your interpritation of yourself.

by plebgate 16.03.15 3:16

@fz2

I think you are out of order criticising JeanM.    None of us are perfect so why not just stick to debate.   JeanM makes some very valid points, points which might get up the noses of some people who seem to want to disrupt.

As you were the first to make a personal attack against a poster here, I will tell you that you need to learn to spell.   Take a look at your last post.   When you become a perfect human being I might listen to you but until that time, why not take the advice you dished out to JeanM - button it.

I suppose we can expect these disruptions as it comes closer to an announcement from Portugal.   "Sigh"

by Knitted 16.03.15 3:19

Tony Bennett wrote:
NickE wrote:A working meeting with the Portuguese authorities to strengthen cooperation in searches.

By Tania Laranjo
"Hour and a half meeting. The stage was the Attorney General's Office; the protagonists, British and Portuguese authorities. The goal was the same as has already caused other such meetings. Strengthen the link between the authorities of both countries, cementing bonds that allow a joint investigation to clarify the Maddie case. The leader of the British police team, Nicola Wall, was one of attending the meeting. The side of the Judicial Police, the representation was taken by Pedro do Carmo magistrate, assistant national director. Also the attorney general district and the investigation of the holder which remains open in Faro County were present.
It was also asked to participate a representative of the Attorney General of the English Republic and the British ambassador. This was the second meeting of Nicola Wall with the highest representatives of the process.
The English provincial happened late last year to Andy Redwood, who retired from the Metropolitan Police Service. Nicola Wall transferred from the Homicide and Serious Crimes division to Grange operation, investigating the disappearance of British child, the May 3, 2007, the room where he slept with two twin brothers, younger, in an apartment of a tourist village, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve.
The case was closed and then reopened, but nothing new was found, all scenarios remain open".

Translated with google.
Ler mais em: http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pgr_recebe_ingleses.html
Thank you once again for posting this news, NickE, it's very helpful.

As G-Unit has rightly questioned, and if the translation is correct in suggesting that someone from the U.K. Attorney-General's Department AND the British Ambassador were present at this meeting, it is clearly significant.

But in what way?

Suppose that the British police were just plodding on, trying to establish who the abductor was, but not having established yet who it was that took Madeleine. Would such a high-level conference really be necessary? I suggest 'NO'.

That leaves four possibilities, I think:

1. Operation Grange has finally decided who the abductor is, he is alive, and Grange wants the full co-operation of the Portuguese authorities to arrest, charge and prosecute him, or

2. Operation Grange has finally decided who the abductor is, he is dead, and Grange want the co-operation of the Portuguese police to rubber-stamp its identification of the abductor - with a view to a press conference and formal announcement to that effect in the coming weeks or months, or

3. The McCanns and the Tapas 7 are in the frame and exceptional measures need to be discussed as to how to bring them to justice

4. This is a continuing cover-up at the very highest level in both the U.K. and Portugal, and they all need to get their heads together to work out how to bring this expensive charade to an end.

I still suggest that the evidence points to No. 4

I wonder if the looming General Election might have some bearing or influence on discussions and/or announcements?

If so then this will presumably only be relevant with 'Option 3'. If we assume Option 3 would, by definition, be suggestive of a cover-up and/or inappropriate political intervention having occurred, then this would potentially lead to the noise and rumours surfacing immediately prior to an election. I think it would therefore be a priority for Con/Lab to do all it can to avoid any possible mud flying around over the next few weeks. This is because any cover up/political intervention will no doubt implicate people from across the political spectrum so they'll probably all want the playing field to be nice and flat with no big surprises, (just like how they all closed ranks when the referendum on the precursor for Proportional Representation happened... the main parties like things to be 'predictable' and maintaining the revolving doors of the "Establishment" is the ultimate priority... regardless of the colour of the rosette).

So, if there's an unfathomable, unprecedented, inexplicable, bizarre delay in the court case announcement I'll be gettig down the betting shop to put my money on Option 3!!

by fz2 16.03.15 3:23

jeanmonroe wrote:
fz2 wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:Now, now, 'Kate', i'm old and not as literate as you, and can't write very good Queen's england.
Nice one, just don't give up your day job in favour of stand up comedy.

Two old ladies walking on the beach

A streaker ran past (or is that passed?)

One had a stroke, the other one, couldn't reach!

ps: I'm still sitting down!

If an elderly lady had a stroke, I would have called emergency services and tended to her needs waiting their arrival.

by plebgate 16.03.15 3:27

This high level meeting could be because Rocky has won the libel case and will be free to comment without fear of being sued again.

by lj 16.03.15 4:15

plebgate wrote:This high level meeting could be because Rocky has won the libel case and will be free to comment without fear of being sued again.

In which case more or repeated revelations about the undiplomatic behaviour of the diplomats might be the reason the ambassador needed to be present.

by Smokeandmirrors 16.03.15 8:51

fz2 wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:fz2 wrote:

"Anyone with English literacy would understand why I used inverted commas in that post."
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I don't 'understand' (soz)

I'm just a 'thick' (soz again) bitch!

Your interpritation of yourself.

fz2 - mind your manners or you'll be shown the door

by aiyoyo 16.03.15 8:59

stillsloppingout wrote:It would appear to be the case . but nothing would surprize me anymore .
The problem as has been alluded to , if they conclude a whitewash , what happens if , a body turns up ?, irrefutable evidence turns up? . a Tapas gang member goes mad and shouts from the roof tops .? .

Nearly everybody I talk to thinks they are involved now in some way , simply because as has been pointed out to me , there is no proof that they did NOT do it . Logical really .

Hypothethically speaking if the MET Police are planning a white wash, the pertinent question must surely be how do they hope to get Portuguese Magistrate and District Attorney General etc to cooperate with them to conclude a white wash? More importantly why would the Portuguese high judiciary officials go along with them?
What's in it for them to help the MET Police cover up? From whose order?

Between government to government level, ie PM to PM, without the fanfare of an expensive and portracted investigation /search, and without involving all these high level judiciary officals then maybe we talking a do-able cover up (probably).
Otherwise I can't grasp how it can be a do-able white wash when they involved so many people at different hierarchy levels.

by HelenMeg 16.03.15 9:21

There are so many variations possible regarding a whitewash, surely...

Given the political interference, possible help from ex-pats, Ocean Club guests, TAPAS 9 you could have a whitewash on many levels. For instance if you just blamed everything on TAPAS 9 - that would still be a whitewash, as the help possibly given by government members / guests / VIPS / ex pats would be whitewashed over.

I bet at some level there will be a whitewash, but I also think that the whitewash wont extend to cover the
TAPAS 9

by G-Unit 16.03.15 9:35

aiyoya wrote:Hypothethically speaking if the MET Police are planning a white wash, the pertinent question must surely be how do they hope to get Portuguese Magistrate and District Attorney General etc to cooperate with them to conclude a white wash? More importantly why would the Portuguese high judiciary officials go along with them?
What's in it for them to help the MET Police cover up? From whose order?

Between government to government level, ie PM to PM, without the fanfare of an expensive and portracted investigation /search, and without involving all these high level judiciary officals then maybe we talking a do-able cover up (probably).
Otherwise I can't grasp how it can be a do-able white wash when they involved so many people at different hierarchy levels.

Good point. I can't see them agreeing either unless huge pressure is brought to bear, and they are the lead team, not the Met. After the bad press they had in the UK I can't see them being prepared to accept anything SY come up with unless they think it's watertight. Also, as I said, previously, it could be them who have new evidence and who called the meeting to inform the others what they want to do about it.

The Met are aware of all the skeptics too, not just in the UK but worldwide. Very difficult for them to come up with a story which doesn't make them look foolish (like crecheman heading towards the creche rather than away from it, meaning he had taken his scantily clad daughter for a long walk on a cold night - Jane Tanner should have been able to hear her teeth chattering imo).

by HelenMeg 16.03.15 10:02

It seems there is some concensus that this meeting is an indication of 'encouraging' progress.
What I find most encouraging is that nothing is being leaked.

Whitewashing tends to involve much leaking to shape public perception.

by jeanmonroe 16.03.15 10:33

Maybe, new information has come to light.?

G Brown's mate, Socrates, chirping like a canary?

GB, UK AND a Madeleine 'secret' will not take precedence over saving his own skin, believe me.

All, imo.

@G-Unit

(like crecheman heading towards the creche rather than away from it, meaning he had taken his scantily clad daughter for a long walk on a cold night - Jane Tanner should have been able to hear her teeth chattering imo).

NO she couldn't!

Not over the deafening 'clip clodding' of her flipping flopping flip flops, on the cobbled path, she was walking on, after she 'knew', just knew, GM had, 'DONE his check' and was on his way BACK to the tapas restaurant, although she never saw him going INTO his apartment, to 'check', on such a 'still, silent, chilly' night, with no traffic moving, in an area where 'nothing' had ever happened, BEFORE! winkwink

by G-Unit 16.03.15 11:11

Neither did Gerry and Jeremy who didn't hear or see anything! No wonder none of them noticed the shady characters in Praia da Luz filming, photographing and watching on every street corner.

by aiyoyo 16.03.15 11:14

HelenMeg wrote:

Whitewashing tends to involve much leaking to shape public perception.

If the Mcs are kept informed regularly as we are told by newspaper reports .... they haven't leaked anything to shape public perception .....not for a while ...not since DCI Wall took over....hmmm....could this be a good sign (of impending doom to them) ?

by HelenMeg 16.03.15 11:15

Fiona, David, Rachel, Matt, Jane have had 8 long years to tell the truth. They have had 8 years in which to review their nauseatingly awful rog statements and decide instead to tell the truth about what they knew..they have chosen not to and instead there has been an investigation costing us all £10 mill...
what doe this say about them and their principles and their characters?

Apologies - not relevant to thread title really ...

by HelenMeg 16.03.15 11:17

aiyoyo wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:

Whitewashing tends to involve much leaking to shape public perception.

If the Mcs are kept informed regularly as we are told by newspaper reports .... they haven't leaked anything to shape public perception .....not for a while ...not since DCI Wall took over....hmmm....could this be a good sign (of impending doom to them) ?

All we can do is hope!!

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